Which characters do you hate the most and why?

Shicchi said:
» Touka
I used to like her back then when I'm an anime only watcher. Especially in the first TG. At the end of TG Root A, not so much.
In :re, she became irrelevant most of the story, and suddenly, she became relevant again only to be reduced to a mere plot device and be pretty.

James_xeno said:
I don't really "hate" anyone as chars, though there are a few chars I do hate. I'd put Aura at the top of the list. (if only he listened to and took after his aunt more, maybe he wouldn't be such an asshole.)


And lol.. I'm sensing a lot of butthurt shippers still around with all the Touka hate.. *rollseyes*

ImAWeebUwU said:


I still don't get it who else was an alternative to ship kaneki with... like...i really hope people are not serious about shipping kaneki and hide....

WyNdZ said:
Furuta because I'm not a fan of his retard behaviour and I blame him for the drop in quality of the manga.

Mutsuki as well because I'm not a fan of her psycho lover behaviour.


What does that statement even mean? The two parts of that statement contradict each other.

Also please there's no need to insult people just because they hate Touka. Not everyone who hates her is some shipping fan. Btw I don't hate her in case you're wondering, I think it makes sense they became a couple.


I think some people wanted Eto and Kaneki to be a ship since they were both one eyed ghouls and both are powerful. I mean Eto would make a good queen ghoul. Also they're both batshit crazy so I guess they could make a good match.


I like him because he's one of the few human characters who isn't ghoul fodder. I also like that he's a bit crazy and his character design is pretty cool. Anyways I always felt like Suzuya was also one of the few people who didn't care to follow the rules of the CCG especially in part 1. I was a bit disappointed that he fought kaneki but he was blackmailed though. Anyways I hope that Suzuya soon betrays Furuta but if he remains a slave to the CCG to the end then I'll also be very disappointed with his character.

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:


To be Fair Ishida Sui have ruins a lot his character.Either how they went out or what they become. Like Eto who went like a trash,Touka become Romance plot device,Ayato remains spectator does nothing In the series and Amon spectator as well despite having ability to do something Instead choose to do nothing.

Lately The characters have change to worse and everyone become weird and Inconsistent with their characters. Only Arima went out with bang and stay true to his characters.

Most of the characters from Tokyo ghoul original series have their role either lessen or become worse. Eto,Touka and Amon survive the worst with their characters becoming nonsense.

fullmetal-ghoul said:


The idea that Touka has been useless in :Re, and is just a plot device is so redundant and objectively false.

All the significant stuff she's done in :Re
https://www.reddit.com/r/TokyoGhoul/comments/7dw44x/most_hated_characters/dq1iqkw/

Why she is anything but a plot device:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TokyoGhoul/comments/7dw44x/most_hated_characters/dq1f3yx/

An analysis of her arc, including :Re
https://www.reddit.com/r/TokyoGhoul/comments/7e2ywo/toukas_character_arc/

fullmetal-ghoul said:


I don't see this going anywhere, but anyway...
I linked to the TG subreddit because there were some extremely valid points, it doesn't matter where it came from. If you can't see past that then that's being ignorant.

Her development has been great. People don't mature over a short period of time, it takes years, and that's what precisely what happened to Touka. What the original does brilliantly is start that maturation and lay the foundations for it. Her growth away from violence, realisation that killing investigators out of anger is wrong, and accepting her flaws is what helps her maturation. And that doesn't even include how she lost everything at the end of the original, and adopted a fatalistic mentality that to live as a ghoul in this twisted world is to lose things, hence why she's so much more passive and mature now. Rather than desperately fight against it, she accepts she has to lose people, hence why she sacrifices Yoriko for her husband and child. She wouldn't have done that at the start of TG, but her development hasn't been good? Pick one

The romance wasn't forced at all, actually its incredibly natural and well developed. Their feelings were established and foreshadowed in the original, and sure the progression was fast, but still natural. They're in a war to change the world, they don't know when their last breath will be, it's normal to marry after being in a relationship after a short time. And when you consider both of them are quite lonely figueres, with abandonment issues, and their deepest desire is to be loved and not be alone, it's anything but forced. It's only rushed if you ignore the psyche of the characters (this is a psychological series) and their experiences they've lead. Oh, and Kaneki making the same mistakes is realistic. Psychological traumas inflicted since childhood by a parent, takes time to heal, arguing against that is nonsensical.

Being motivated to save your family=being a plot device? Thats's such a narrow viewpoint

She's just as much as a cliche love interest as Kaneki is a cliche love interest to her. It's an equal relationship which drives the growth of each characters, and helps to heal the trauma that was inflicted upon them by a parent. That's not a cliche romance if you ask me. But like I said, your viewpoint is very narrow and it doesn't look like I can change it, so I won't be continuing with this argument.

fullmetal-ghoul said:


I was gonna leave it, but I would feel bad if I didn't say everything I wanted to.

I explained how her development wasn't off screened. Her maturation is a side effect of all the growth and change she experienced in the original. Her grows away from violence, experiences a lot of moral growth and realizes killing investigators for revenge is wrong, she accepts her flaws and improves on them. She accepts people will leave her, and as a ghoul she will have to lose things, and develops a fatalistic mentality. All this growth occurs in the original, and all contributes to why she's a much more level headed, calmer and mature person after the timeskip, because it takes years for a person to properly mature.

In addition, the focus of her characterisation in the original wasn't in the form of development but was to reveal all the layers and depth to her character.

As a very basic summary, we're initially inroduced to the hot headed girl who'd fight against any injustice done to her, and then the girl who longs to live like a human, and has a strong attachment to them. And then we see the person who desperately protects her loved ones, to the point where she'd throw away her own life. And then we see her insecurities over her ghoul identity, and then her self loathing because of how the people important have left her, and she blames herself for that. And at her core is her abandonment issues and desire to be loved/not be left alone. That's so many different layers to her character, which gives so much depth and complexity to her, and can only be matched by Kaneki.

Hints stop being hints after it was confirms they had feelings for eachother. Kaneki caring for her to a similar extent as Hide, which was apparant in his monologues, and Touka staring at her parent's wedding ring after he left her. It was obvious to me before they got together, and it should be obvious to anyone that they had strong feelings for eachother in the original, recent chapters just confirmed they were romantic feelings.

I can understand why you would want more gradual development to their relationship, I'm not going to pretend like that they're relationship progression wasn't fast paced. But it still felt natural to me, for the reasons I've already explained, the reasons you also ignored. Also, I don't see the problem with them making love. They confessed a couple of chapters before, and acted on their feelings when they were both feeling lonely (Touka thought she lost Yoriko, and reminded Kaneki of Hide).

You haven't actually explained what about this being a psychological series is a bad excuse, most likely because you can't. And by refusing to look into Kaneki and Touka's inner workings, which the series wants you to do in order to understand the feelings they have for each other, you're the one that's shallow.

As another very basic summary which you should be able to understand, both of them suffered a similar trauma at childhood which determined the way they think in the present. They both felt abandoned by a parent, and as a result suffered self loathing issues, because they both felt they weren't good enough to be chosen by said parent. They hate themselves to the extent where they don't value their own existance, and struggle to see how the people they care for can care for them in the same way, despite the fact their deepest desire is to be loved and not be alone.

So with that established, how touching do you think it would be for Touka when Kaneki said he'd be sad if she died, or when she saves her from Ayato, and promises not to leave her alone when she's remembering her trauma and how everyone close to her abandoned her, desperately pleading them not to leave. And then for Kaneki, how about when she risks her life to save him from Tsukiuyama, admitting that she cared for him and when he sees her beaten black and blue, trying to save him from Aoigiri.

Their feelings are built around the fact they show each other how much they care for each other in the most blatant way, by risking their lives for each other, when they both believe the poeple they care for don't care for them in the same way because of their trauma, abandonment issues and self loathing. That's what always seperated Touken from the other relationships the two of them form, and their relationship right now is about too characters with so much depth, acting on their deepest desire, of wanting to be loved by the person they love most, which is also why things kick of quickly once they confess. Literally the most depth in a relationship I've seen between two fictional characters, but you'll probably dismiss it as shallow again without explaining anything.

Maybe now you'll acknowledge the psychological aspects of a freaking psychological series, but you'll most likely respond with some edgy, vague responses without explaining anything. "Muh psycholigical, shallow". At least you admitted to your viewpoint being narrow, so at the very least half your final statement is correct.

fullmetal-ghoul said:


The response I predicted, oh well, some people refuse to change. The same old points without any explanation. "Rushed", "unbelievable", while ignoring all my counterpoints

I wrote a pretty lengthy response about the psychology behind their relationship, and why it meant they developed strong feelings for each other, and why their relationship progressed quickly. But as I predicited, you dismiss it without really explain yourself. All you've said is that a person's psyche doesn't matter when determining their relationships with other people, which is quite amusing actually if you really believe that.

Obviously you can care each other as friends, where did I say otherwise...it's just Touka and Kaneki always cared for each other romantically. It wasn't confirmed before they got together, but once they did the hints stop being hints and become canon pieces of evidence that they had romantic feelings for each other.

You keep repeating 12 chapters, but it's really 80 chapter in the original with a strong focus on how close they've become. Everything comes to fruition in these 12 chapters. Again, same shallow points which I've already countered.

Both characters live for each other, and drive each other's growth. How is it unrealistic for Kaneki, a person with no reason to live, to find that reason when he finds out the person he loves most, loves him to the same extent.

And once again, you're talking as though they had no feelings for each other and only started to get close in these 12 chapters, which both you and I know is false. Sure they didn't interact much in :Re, because of the direction of the story, but just because you haven't seen someone in years doesn't diminish your feelings for them. At least in my case, especially when you're as close as Touken were (aka being one of, if not the most important person in each other's life). In fact, the lack of such an important person in your life would only increase your feelings for them, because you feel the effects that the lack of their presence has on you. A pretty big point about Kaneki character in the second half of the original is his depression and how it links to the lack of Touka in his life, and the effect Kaneki abandoning Touka had on her life. As they say, waiting makes the heart grow fonder.

Also she's not a plot device for being Kaneki's sole motivation, and if your gonna use that argument, you should call Kaneki a plot device for being Touka's main motivation. And sure she's the reason he became Dragon, but a character doesn't become a plot device because another character wants to protect them. Obviously her main relevance in the story is through Kaneki, because it's his story, but don't forget how she's recently guided the development of Amon, Akira and Hinami, and has grown past her issues with Akira, all of which was completely seperate from Kaneki.And Kaneki's character revolves just as heavily around her, as her character does around him.

And I'm well and truly done with this argument. You'll likely just repeat the same shallow points over and over again, all the while ignoring all my points. Dismissing the psychological aspects behind the relationship of the two main characters in a psychological series sums up how pointless this argument is.

Aardwolf94 said:


Dude post things here and don't link to a subreddit that would defend TG no matter what happened. Most of her "accomplishments" aren't significant (Yomo could have killed those investigators and who cares about the cafe :Re?) and weren't finished by her (Kaneki had to save her from the investigators and from Arima).

Its not good character development when she just became mature over the TS, Ishida off screened the whole thing and reduced her to a cheap MC obsessed love interest.

When he returns the whole romance is forced. They fuck, marry, she gets pregnant and becomes Kaneki's whole reason to live..in like 12 chapters. Considering the slow development of their relationship this was ridiculous and unbelievable. Only done so Ishida can force his dragon shit. The realism argument here is as silly as it gets and something TG fans love to use (Kaneki never learns= realistic for an example).

She was basically ready to sacrifice Yoriko without doing anything/considering anything else, just passive and boring like Kaneki himself in this arc.

And she was no doubt a plot device there. She is the reason Kaneki went crazy, she was used to turn him into Dragon.

Overall its a shame how her character was wasted. I actually liked her mysterious appearances in the first half of :Re, it seemed like Ishida had interesting things planned for her but instead she became the cliche pregnant love interest (the least interesting way her character could have progressed) who only became relevant when it was time for MC to go crazy.

Not surprising because he already butchered the MC as well so I guess one shouldn't expect too much for the love interest. Both used to be interesting and awesome