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Nov 6, 2017 5:01 AM

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Altairius said:
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Here let me explain some things to you Altairius.
There are mainly two types of people in this world.
1. One who believe in things that their parents taught them and do not care what other people believe
2. One who force their beliefs on other people.

Just because someone is a Muslim doesn't mean they automatically fall into No. 2 category.
There you have it!
Now tell me, are you satisfied yet?
Of course not!
Tho if are willing to refute my statements without using any type of straw man arguments (like how KSA treats homosexuals while ignoring other countries like Lebanon) then I am all ears.



I'm not even really criticizing. I'm just saying that Islamic scripture is crystal clear on homosexuality. That's their culture, and they're welcome to it. Here in the West, I prefer a conservative culture, but not quite so harsh.

Sure, certain Muslim countries are less conservative than others. I have to say that I think this means they are less Muslim than those hyper-conservative, more "fundamentalist" ones though. They stray more from scripture, and hey, I think that's a good thing. I think they should be allowed to move in whichever direction they want though, even if they end up with a culture radically different from the West.
Did you read the thread before posting? I think you missed this useful chart that might help your arguement
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Nov 6, 2017 5:10 AM

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@Tythoid I don't hate them. I said they're welcome to their culture. I even agree, to a mild extent.

It's not "my view". It's objectively there in the scripture.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
Nov 6, 2017 5:13 AM
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To reply to the OP's question I can stand tall and openly state that I do not care which type of sexuality you practice in private as long as you don't flaunt it excessively.

Any couple/group can make an orgie under their roof for all I care but please don't do it on the lawn there might be children watching.
Nov 6, 2017 5:27 AM

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Altairius said:
@Tythoid I don't hate them. I said they're welcome to their culture. I even agree, to a mild extent.

It's not "my view". It's objectively there in the scripture.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
I feel your blanket statements on muslims denys the fact that there is variety within the practise of islam and either paints muslims as homophobic and so demonises them or uses them as an example to justify hating lgbt people. If your so interested in muslim views on this topic here is a documentary
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Nov 6, 2017 5:35 AM

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Don't care about homophobes.

I also don't care if someone is LGBT.

I don't support the LGBT movement though. It's a backwards movement that is almost as caustic as actual homophobes.
Nov 6, 2017 5:51 AM

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Altairius said:
I never really got this idea of being "non-fundamentalist". You either follow the scripture or you don't.
I'm not particularly interested in denying people the right to call themselves part of themselves religion who don't fully follow the scripture but still identify to be from the religion. Not my problem if fundamentalist don't consider them to be "true <insert religion here>".

For all practical purposes, they are all part of that religion.

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Oh, there's no "reform" coming. We here in the hollowed out shell of Christendom got too smart for faith. Muslims, on the other hand, don't tend to take kindly to us trying to liberalize and make LGBT-friendly their dearest beliefs. What needs to happen is that we recognize them as a separate civilization.
You'll be surprised how closely linked faith is with science. Historically many scientists were also religious, I don't believe they are mutually exclusive. Islam, like any other religion, is strongly conservative with authoritarian tendencies, Christianity didn't take kindly to a lot of social change in the West.

Yeah I recognise them as a separate civilisation. Look I'm mostly on your side, I just don't think your broad labeling of Muslims is helping anything, because all it does is allow the race-baiters to be able to point and label you "racist" (quotations cause Islam isn't a race). Look I too think the refugee crisis was a huge failure on the west's part, those refugees should have went to areas of the middle east. They are culturally so far removed that grey are really unassimilatable.

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Anyway, I'm not religious and think LGBT people should be left alone. However, I'd want to move the culture to where it's viewed as a fringe thing, not persecuted but absolutely not celebrated.


We are in agreement over everything. I'm also not religious and I think gays should be accepted but also not be celebrated. I just don't think it's a smart move your go around broadly labeling others, because that method of arguing certainly doesn't win around anyone over.
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Nov 12, 2017 11:58 AM

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Almost everyone I know is a homophobe including my parents so I can't bring myself to hate them. It's sad really.
Nov 12, 2017 12:03 PM

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Not sure if I already posted in this thread...... whatever.


I hate homophobes but I'm not an LGBT supporter.
But truth to be told, I'm surrounded by homophobes myself, like, literally everyone near me is homophobes, so I kinda used to them and don't mind them much in the end.

I'm not a supporter not only because I'll be roasted if I'm taking part in LGBT movement or something, also because I don't think LGBT is something special. It's just another sexual orientation. Something normal. They don't deserve to be hated, nor they deserve to be treated any differrently than heterosexuals.
Nov 12, 2017 2:41 PM

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the answer is NO and meh...

I dont hate them ,,,, I just dont know any.....

and I dont either support them not am I against them.
Nov 12, 2017 2:44 PM

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Shicchi said:
Not sure if I already posted in this thread...... whatever.


I hate homophobes but I'm not an LGBT supporter.
But truth to be told, I'm surrounded by homophobes myself, like, literally everyone near me is homophobes, so I kinda used to them and don't mind them much in the end.

I'm not a supporter not only because I'll be roasted if I'm taking part in LGBT movement or something, also because I don't think LGBT is something special. It's just another sexual orientation. Something normal. They don't deserve to be hated, nor they deserve to be treated any differrently than heterosexuals.

Supporting LGBT is not about thinking they're "special". It's only about supporting their rights as humans, and countering homophobia/stigma. Homosexuality is still illegal in some countries, and in the US, a certain orangutan is trying to have some of their rights removed.

If you're gonna get 'roasted' for supporting LGBT you might be hanging with the wrong crowd. :P
Nov 12, 2017 3:06 PM

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If they hate gay people, then I would probably dislike them, generally at least. If they're afraid of them, then it's not something I can blame them for (hard to imagine a fear of gay people in the first place). I've always thought people should do whatever makes them happy so long as they're not directly affecting other people or infringing on other peoples freedom to do the same.

You have to have a superiority complex to judge two consenting adults having fun together, there's no reason outside of religion that can even be called upon, let people do what they want, as long as both parties consent and there isn't any foul play then there isn't anything to get angry over.
Nov 12, 2017 3:45 PM

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I don't hate anyone. I dislike certain people, but I don't hate them. My country just recently passed a law that permits civil marriage between same-sex couples, the vote was narrow and it passed with a margin of 3 votes (2 belonging to the opposition). Unless those who are against homosexuality have very valid arguments (which they don't as they often base it on something as ridiculous as religion), and I do therefore not see a problem in ridiculing that group of fanatics.

I support the LGBT movement, to an extent.
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Nov 15, 2017 4:19 AM

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I'm totally cool with LGBT folks and support their rights quite staunchly
Nov 15, 2017 4:19 PM

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Everyone should live how the want but I feel like too often they pretend to be special snowflakes and that just gets old.

Nov 15, 2017 4:37 PM
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im not a LBGT supporter and Homophobs are just people who need to grow up and learn to except thar every one is different the world would be extremely boring if evey one was the same

put personally this has nothing to do with me im straight so i have nothing to do with LGBT and i dont have any contact with Homophobes myself but i have a couple frends who are bi and that so if Homophobes have a go at them then i will argue agent them because their my friends
Nov 15, 2017 5:43 PM

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Altairius said:
alistans said:

That's bullshit, I live in europe and most muslims I know are pro LGBT, I even know a gay muslim. It's the same as saying that every christian has to hate LGBT, which they don't. Who gave you the authority to determine who's a real muslim and who isn't.

Ontopic: yea homophobes are pure trash, I really hate them


Look at the PEW Research on Muslim opinions, even in the West. You'll find they are overwhelmingly anti-LGBT, as dictated by their scripture.

Who gave them and you the authority to blatantly deny scripture?


scripture aint nothin more than text. It's blatantly retarded to think that one must follow it, let alone follow it to a t just because it's written down. it's almost as idiotic as saying, "oh you watch horror movies? you must be a mass murderer then." or "you watch anime, then you must be an arrangement of pixels." lets face it people aren't all the same. they don't all believe the same things, and they don't all like the opposite sex.
Nov 15, 2017 6:45 PM

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Nov 17, 2017 1:28 PM

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WyNdZ said:
You find homophobes vile and annoying and they might feel the same about homosexual people.


What the hell, how is that even the same thing? Do you also think racist have legit opinions?
Nov 17, 2017 1:31 PM

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WyNdZ said:
Hating against homophobes seems hypocritical to me since you're hating against them for something they think when you're doing the exact same thing. You find homophobes vile and annoying and they might feel the same about homosexual people.

Ah, the old "so it's okay to hate Nazis but it's not okay to hate Jews?!?!"-argument. Hating someone for their ethnicity, sexuality or something else they have no control over is not comparable to hating people who hate people for their ethnicity or sexuality...
Nov 17, 2017 4:47 PM

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Most homosexuals are ok, but some can be creeps.
Nov 17, 2017 5:19 PM

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scruffs said:
Most homosexuals are ok, but some can be creeps.

In other words, they're just like heterosexuals..?
Nov 17, 2017 7:47 PM

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deadprez said:
scruffs said:
Most homosexuals are ok, but some can be creeps.

In other words, they're just like heterosexuals..?


well yeah, they're still people after all.
Nov 17, 2017 10:33 PM
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@Neane93 when can we begin ice cream conversion therapy?
Nov 17, 2017 10:57 PM

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honestly no

i dont care about that
just do whatever you like with yur life

Nov 18, 2017 12:14 AM

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WyNdZ said:

Maybe I should have worded that better but when I'm talking about homophobes I mean people who have an irrational fear about them and not the people who actively try to harm homosexual people. So basically OP is hating people for hating certain people when he's basically doing the same thing.

I don't disregard anyone's opinions and I don't believe in some opinions being legit and some not being. I mean aren't all opinions just subjective in the first place? Btw I'm not a racist if you're wondering although I could argue that almost everyone has certain preferences. Like some people find certain races more attractive which is fine as long as they don't hate or cause harm to people of other races. They should just be quiet and keep their preferences to themselves.



That's... a very weird comparison. Having preferences when it comes to dating is not "racist".

Homophobes just hate and insult gay people for who they are, despite the fact the have no control over it whatsoever. It's like hating someone for having black skin, being left-handed or having blue eyes. They also don't keep it for themselves, they spew bile toward them and often work to remove LGBT rights.

Again, would you fault a black kid for having issues with racists?
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Nov 18, 2017 12:57 AM

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I'm bisexual so yeah I really dislike homophobes and support the LGBTQ+ community . However sometimes they can be really amusing....
Nov 18, 2017 3:40 AM

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WyNdZ said:
I'm not aware of this being an old argument but it's just something I thought of when I read OP's post. Anyways I never said it was justified to hate anyone but forgive me if I'm mistaken but I thought a phobia is also something that people don't have control over just like one's sexuality.

Homophobia is equivalent to racism and sexism. You do have control over it.
Nov 18, 2017 3:58 AM
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yes and yes, why hate someone for living a different lifestyle than you?
Nov 18, 2017 4:06 AM

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Bacardi-x-Cola said:
yes and yes, why hate someone for living a different lifestyle than you?


This. As long as it doesn't affect anyone why would it matter
Nov 18, 2017 4:09 AM
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I can't stand faggots. Nah...I don't mind them to be honest.
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Nov 18, 2017 4:09 AM
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I can't stand faggots. Nah...I don't mind them to be honest.
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Nov 18, 2017 6:35 AM

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I'm bisexual so yeah I really dislike homophobes and support the LGBTQ+ community . However sometimes they can be really amusing....

hmmmmmmm amusing i what way???????????
;)))))


I know a lesbian couple that is super cool. Anytime they get harassed, they break down the bias's a person would have based on what was said. Fun to watch.
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@Neane93 when can we begin ice cream conversion therapy?
When they get (((enriched))) it's too late for them to get converted back to being Vanilla Masterflavor
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Nov 19, 2017 12:12 AM

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I...I think everything that needed to be said in this thread has already been said. I'm not even sure it's possible to take a stance in this thread without being called out in some shape or fashion, if evident by how long this thread has been going with its back and forth toxicity flinging and off-topic derailments. Perhaps this thread could have ended up better if it were phrased in another way? Perhaps there may have been a better place this thread could have been made on a website that better facilitates this type of discussion? I dunno.

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