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Oct 22, 2017 2:15 AM
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skyfighter said:
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Okay on the first part, studies have been shown that the only negative impact children of gay couples have is dealing with bigots and the harassment from others.

On the second part, I think you missed that that applies equally to anyone that isn't a direct parent, wich includes foster praents, stepfathers/mothers and so on, has nothing to do with being gay or anything, and everything to do with those not biologically parents have problems.

Society treats us LBGT like garbage, and people then point to the mental problems and issues we have due to that and want to blame it on being gay. Guess what I live in Canada and alot of the problems and doomsaying havn't happened.


See this study: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-06/e-sce060712.php And also things like smoking and lower income is not done by harassment.

Harassment against gays is low. This is happening becouse thats how you guys are.


yes because you know getting kiced out your home, and no laws protecting you from being fired for being gay and such have 0 effects on income, and your right NO ONE EVER smokes due to stress....
Oct 22, 2017 2:22 AM

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As a supporter, I hate homophobes. They just waste their time shouting at gay people that ''jesus doesn't love them'' and stupid shit like that. Not all of them are like that, but I dislike any homophobe that has to call out a gay person and say something rude to me for being that way. Let gay people live their lives. If you dislike gay people, then just ignore them, geez.
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Oct 22, 2017 3:49 AM

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Nyu said:
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Anyone who hates homosexual people or anything else like that are clearly attached to the past, or were taught that homosexuality is bad by very Christian/idiotic parents. There is nothing "unnatural" about a sexuality. People who are homosexual don't choose to be that way - they are BORN that way. If it was so "unnatural" then why are people born like that? Exactly. It's not a way of thinking. It's a preference in partners, that's it.

So yea, I support it.


Anything other than Heterosexual is unusual. It's not normal.

Just because something's in nature, doesn't mean it's normal.


I believe I made it perfectly clear that in other statements that it's a preference in the mind, you can be born with it, or you can choose it. Just because it's not normal doesn't mean it's not natural. People have been doing homo shit since the Ancient Greeks.

Only Christians or sexually frustrated men call homosexuality "not normal" so educate yourself before you respond to me.

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Oct 22, 2017 3:54 AM

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Noboru said:
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I know, but they still happen. I'll start fighting the change as soon as it starts going against secularism.
What if it's too late by then?


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Studies have shown that gay people can choose.
What Studies? I thought it was General Knowledge that sexual Orientation is predestined. If they can choose or rather: are attracted to both Sexes, then they are born bisexual.

The Earth will not suffer economic issues from the loss of a few children. This is a bizzare theory that makes literally no sense at all. A couple of gay people will not trigger the social downfall of the human race. This is stupid and makes me believe all of your points are fictitious and coming from nothing but the mind.
Your apparent Lack of Reading Comprehension Skills and of Common Sense makes me wonder whether it is genuine or just played.

few ≠ Majority ≠ everyone

few ≠ Millions

Minority ≠ Majority

Millions of People dying in some random, underdeveloped Country in Africa ≠ Millions of People dying in a highly developed Country that contributes several Times more to the World Economy

Overpopulation exists ≠ everywhere is overpopulated

I don't like to repeat myself that much, so if you can't understand those few Points above or play stupid on Purpose, then there is nothing for me to add.


It's official I'm talking to an uninformed person. It's clear you think you're right (and you're really not, since you think homosexuality is going to cause millions of people to die in emptier countries like Africa and this will somehow ruin our economy and if you even bother telling me you didn't say that, I can quote it on your other posts) so let's just agree to disagree, and stop replying to me.

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skyfighter said:
This is rather interesting since you could extend these scientific findings to ask for tolerance for more things. Things such as pedophilia, rape or even canabilism so these types or arguments goes more againt you than me in the long run. Also homo parents are shitty, anyway. Proof= study from 2016 (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/)

Study from 2012: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/

No, you can't. You don't know what science is. Rape and cannabalism are acts (that even involve great harm to others). Pedophilia is a disorder. Heterosexuality and homosexuality are sexualitys. Simple as that. Hence homosexuality can only be compared to heterosexuality, and none of the things you mentioned.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
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1. I don't hate homophobe, I find them childish, rude, and pathetic. Like, why bother hating on other people's sexuality? smh
2. I'm not a supporter nor an anti. Pretty much neutral because I see LGBT just as another sexuality/trend/whatever. Also those are not anime-related, therefore it hold 0 interest to me lol.
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Nyu said:
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Anyone who hates homosexual people or anything else like that are clearly attached to the past, or were taught that homosexuality is bad by very Christian/idiotic parents. There is nothing "unnatural" about a sexuality. People who are homosexual don't choose to be that way - they are BORN that way. If it was so "unnatural" then why are people born like that? Exactly. It's not a way of thinking. It's a preference in partners, that's it.

So yea, I support it.


Anything other than Heterosexual is unusual. It's not normal.

Just because something's in nature, doesn't mean it's normal.

After the appeal to nature, the appeal to normality.
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Homophobes are annoying but I don't categorically hate them or anything. N.B. that I interpret homophobe as someone who has fear or antipathy towards homosexuality and/or homosexuals.
If we're talking about outrageous behaviors, like killing people because they are gay, then yes, I hate (those) homophobes.

I don't know what it means to be an LGBT "supporter". Sounds like it's a sports team.
While I realize that we live in a "heteronormative" society, I don't agree with the whole "everybody has to be friends and may never offend"-attitude.
Right now, I see a lot of behavior that implies that one has to be basically be proud of homosexuality, praise homosexuals for their proclivities or whatever instead of just being neutral.
Well, just as an anecdotal example: I recently saw about 50 people in a thread somewhere else (all of the participants) raging because someone said something like "if my son were a fag, I would still love him!". That was basically taken as proof of antipathy. Love is hate if you use the wrong words apparently.
Some people will be like "yeah, well, it's easy for you to not see how it's offensive because you have straight privilege!!!" but I'm not really straight (that being said, I realize that homosexuals still suffer from some stigma (even in Europe where I live), and/but politically correct people are often unknowing 'offenders' (because they only know how to follow a set of shallow rules and are probably fanatical in their ire precisely because they want to block their own wrongthink), but, presently, are also celebrated as it were).
Again, I don't know who counts as a supporter, but if we do view it as teams as I hinted at (albeit jokingly) I'm not exactly a supporter of either team.
I strongly agree with a lot of the criticism of 'heteronormativity' but I also agree with a lot of the criticism of LGBT identity politics.

Seems to me that most people just have the ideals that they are expected to have, be it political correctness, or "it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" - whichever strategy keeps them afloat in their social environments (which is pathetic if it's true).
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It's official I'm talking to an uninformed person. It's clear you think you're right (and you're really not, since you think homosexuality is going to cause millions of people to die in emptier countries like Africa and this will somehow ruin our economy and if you even bother telling me you didn't say that, I can quote it on your other posts) so let's just agree to disagree, and stop replying to me.
It's official, I'm talking to a Wall.
Homosexuality will be a Problem if Millions of native or white (USA) People in Europe or the USA or Japan or any other highly developed Place start to not be born, because Homosexuals and Bisexuals would propagate less, since they feel it's completely normal to be in a Relationship with their own Sex and thus don't even bother to start a heterosexual Relationship due to social Pressure.

Or imagine everyone becoming gay and stopping any sexual Contact with the opposite Sex: Humanity would be finished.

Homosexuality is still not a Problem, because they are a Minority and quite a few with those Characteristics still beget Children.
Oct 22, 2017 6:20 AM

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I don't hate anyone.

I'm not going to rally behind LGBT movements but I'm pretty gay myself.

Oct 22, 2017 6:20 AM

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Noboru said:

Or imagine everyone becoming gay and stopping any sexual Contact with the opposite Sex: Humanity would be finished.


Imagine if everyone had gills. We would be living underwater!

because Homosexuals and Bisexuals would propagate less,


How would lesbians couple have any problem propagating, for what matter?

Also, why are you speaking of homosexuality like it's a virus? "If there were too many gays", yes, so what? What are we supposed to do about it?
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I think that 'hate' is quite strong word to use. Do I hate them? No. Do I agree with them? No.

Sadly these days I'm seeing quite alot of immaturity (which I'm sure existed always), people somehow don't get that you can disagree with someones choices and still be able to work with, be friends with or just be polite to them. I strongly dislike this 'if you are not with us then against us' mentality, which divides people instead of bringing a discussion.

As for being an lgbt supporter, I support it to an extent and no it's not the type of 'hate the sin, not the sinner' support, since I'm nonreligious, but more in a way that everyone does their own thing and no one is better than the other, thought I really dislike this whole gender/sexuality variety which almost always boils down to 'look I'm spesul', mostly because I'm very into psychology and psychiatry and to some extent I agree with it's view on human gender/sexuality.

To put it more simply I'm in favor of letting lgbt (and no, no +), to raise children and marry and don't hate homophobes, but at the same time I'm quite against all these newer things with billion genders and sexualities.

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Bernrika said:
Imagine if everyone had gills. We would be living underwater!
Atlantis could be real!

How would lesbians couple have any problem propagating, for what matter?
Unless you include artificial Insemination, Children can only be born when two People of the opposite Sex have Sex.

Also, why are you speaking of homosexuality like it's a virus? "If there were too many gays", yes, so what? What are we supposed to do about it?
I speak of it like it's a heritable Sex Disease that is officially recognized in the Western World as "normal". For now, we don't have to do anything, but if it reaches critical Levels, we have to find a Cure for it.
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Noboru said:
Atlantis could be real!


What?

Unless you include artificial Insemination, Children can only be born when two People of the opposite Sex have Sex.


Why wouldn't I include artificial insemination?

I speak of it like it's a heritable Sex Disease that is officially recognized in the Western World as "normal". For now, we don't have to do anything, but if it reaches critical Levels, we have to find a Cure for it.


There is no cure, homosexuals have existed since the dawn of times and in almost every species. We are not going to find a "cure" for something that it's not even a disease. Even if 50% of the world was gay, it still wouldn't be an issue.
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A supposedly sunken Island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

Why wouldn't I include artificial insemination?
Do you really prefer a World in which a significant Amount of Babies are produced in scientific Labors, as opposed to the natural Way?

There is no cure, homosexuals have existed since the dawn of times and in almost every species. We are not going to find a "cure" for something that it's not even a disease. Even if 50% of the world was gay, it still wouldn't be an issue.
Common Sense would say that anything that hinders someone from leading the biological Purpose would count as a Disease. There are sexual Diseases like Erectile Dysfunctions hindering People from begetting Children the natural Way and Homosexuality is for me in the same Category.

50% being gay would depend on which Parts of the World would be affected. It would be definitely a global, economic Disaster if Europe, the USA, Japan or any other highly industrialized Country would be largely affected. China and/or India being largely affected would also spell nothing good.


@razor39999: I didn't say the Percentage of Homosexuals was increasing, I said it would be a Problem if it were.
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No, I mean, what does it have to do with anything?

Do you really prefer a World in which a significant Amount of Babies are produced in scientific Labors, as opposed to the natural Way?


Why would I care it's not "natural"?

Common Sense would say that anything that hinders someone from leading the biological Purpose would count as Disease. There are sexual Diseases like Erectile Dysfunctions hindering People from begetting Children the natural Way and Homosexuality is in the same Category.

50% being Gay would depend on which Parts of the World would be affected. It would be definitely a global, economic Disaster if Europe, the USA, Japan or any other highly industrialized Country would be largely affected. China and India being largely affected would also spell nothing good.


Oh gosh, the gayapocalisse, this is new. What do you think being gay entails? It's just being attracted to the same sex. Lesbians can have children just fine, gay men are the only one affected by the issue and even they can easily adopt. They work and pay taxes like you and me.

Otaku culture and over-worked people are probably more a danger to the world than homosexuals, go ask Japan.
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When I was younger I ran a lgbt blog, but the older I get the more I dislike how I did that and other people whio do the same thing.

I made it when I just found out about lgbt people seriously, and now I know so many people who fall under the lgbt category and many of them make it their lives to be lgbt.

I joined a Pride / LGBT Alliance at school, and it seemed okay at first, but there are so many people that just are really loud and whenever a new point is brought up they just say 'Because I'm gay." So that really annoys me.

I really want to be able to support LGBT people, but I always see stuff like that, or people who only talk about LGBT related topics. It's frankly annoying, and makes me not want to be assosiated with the community as much.

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skyfighter said:

This is rather interesting since you could extend these scientific findings to ask for tolerance for more things. Things such as pedophilia, rape or even canabilism so these types or arguments goes more againt you than me in the long run. Also homo parents are shitty, anyway. Proof= study from 2016 (https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/)

Study from 2012: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/drt/2016/2410392/


Sorry for commenting out of turn, but the sources you used aren't reliable since they come from a catholic univerisity that would already have a bias against it. It would be more beneficial to find a similar study from a more neutral party. 👍

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Bernrika said:
No, I mean, what does it have to do with anything?
Well, didn't you talk about Gills and People living under Water?

Why would I care it's not "natural"?
Because of ethical Reasons?


Oh gosh, the gayapocalisse, this is new. What do you think being gay entails? It's just being attracted to the same sex. Lesbians can have children just fine, gay men are the only one affected by the issue and even they can easily adopt. They work and pay taxes like you and me.
And that Attraction to the same Sex can be harmful if a great Majority is affected.
For People to adopt, the Babies have to be born, first. And the only Way it could work with a very high Percentage of Gays would be with artificial Insemination. I reject such a World in which it could become the Norm.

Else, I agree that there are other Issues hindering People in developed Countries at begetting Children, but just because those exist as well, doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything against Homosexuality once it could become a major Problem.
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Noboru said:
Well, didn't you talk about Gills and People living under Water?

Yes, it was an example to show how idiotic is to talk about "what ifs".


"What if we had wings and could fly" "What if most of the world was gay".



Because of ethical Reasons?

What ethical reasons?


For People to adopt, the Babies have to be born, first. And the only Way it could work with a very high Percentage of Gays would be with artificial Insemination. I reject such a World in which it could become the Norm.


That's your problem? Artificial insemination is literally harmless and works very well. Or would you prefer lesbians to fuck random dudes to get a child? Their vaginas still work, you know.

Else, I agree that there are other Issues hindering People in developed Countries at begetting Children, but just because those exist as well, doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything against Homosexuality once it could become a major Problem.

So what do you think we should do about these homosexuals?
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I don't "hate" anyone, but I certainly don't condone irrational hatred towards others.

What exactly is a LGBT supporter? Is it believing that everyone should be treated equal regardless of their sexual orientation and identity? If so, then yes. If it means actively being out there and advocating for the rights of these people, then no. I'm not really the activist type.
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skyfighter said:
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@skyfighter, pretty sure you'd fight for your own rights if you were a minority.
People who are against equal rights for someone based on sexuality show a clear lack of empathy.
That makes them assholes.


Yeah I would. I would also fight for other people if they had good reasons. I would never fight for people that goes against my values. so simply.


Just because some people do not conform to your values does not give you the right to treat them like shit or call their existence unnatural.
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I can’t say that I hate homophobes because that’s just grouping everyone with one small opinion into a group and saying I dislike them. However, homophobia itself is something I dislike.
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Bernrika said:
"What if we had wings and could fly" "What if most of the world was gay".
Except that your Scenarios are even more unrealistic.


What ethical reasons?
That Children should - if possible - be with their biological Parents, that People shouldn't play God, etc.

That's your problem? Artificial insemination is literally harmless and works very well. Or would you prefer lesbians to fuck random dudes to get a child? Their vaginas still work, you know.
I would prefer if Humans wouldn't be treated like Cattle that can be bred through artificial Insemination. I prefer Lesbians to be either cured from their Homosexuality or them staying as an insignificant Minority.

So what do you think we should do about these homosexuals?
Cure them, once they become a Problem for the respective Country or the whole World.
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I don't have anything against about both groups. Pretty sure , I live in most homophobic country in Europe. For some reason I find this video hilarious.
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i dont hate gay people but i believe that homosexuality is aHUGE mistake
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Noboru said:
Except that your Scenarios are even more unrealistic.

Gay people have existed since the dawn of times. They have no taken over the planet yet.
So ????


That Children should - if possible - be with their biological Parents

They are with their parents if a lesbian get impregnated.

be with their biological Parents,

So adoption is bad?

that People shouldn't play God, etc.


I'd prefer if human used the power of science to make their lives comfortable as much they can.

How do you feel about doctors?


I would prefer if Humans wouldn't be treated like Cattle that can be bred through artificial Insemination


They are not being treated like cattle. If a woman wants a child, she can have it. It's her choice and not for you to decide. It's not even limited to lesbian, but single women and couples with problems.

I prefer Lesbians to be either cured from their Homosexuality or


Wait, I thought "that People shouldn't play God, etc. "?

Also you can't cure for homosexuality.

them staying as an insignificant Minority.


How are gay individuals going to take over the planet, by the way?

Cure them, once they become a Problem for the respective Country or the whole World.


Isn't simpler to cure homophobes like you? Homosexual can lead completely normal and satisfying lives , they can have and raise children just fine, work and pay taxes. The only obstacle are people like you.


You still haven't explained how homosexual are going to take over the planet.
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Oh my this is a pretty spicy topic huh?
As long as homophobes don't express their opinion it's fine , and noone gets offended. So I only hate them if they are actively a source of hate. I don't support LGBT but I also don't detest it , I don't care too much for it honestly , you can do what you want as long as it doesn't become annoying.
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Gay people have existed since the dawn of times. They have no taken over the planet yet.
"Yet" is the Keyword. Meanwhile, there is no Proof for Aqua- or Sky-People.

They are with their parents if a lesbian get impregnated.
With one biological Parent.

So adoption is bad?
Not, bad, but not ideal, either. It's rather sub-optimal if you have to explain to your Child one Day that he or she wasn't a Result of Love, but of an Agreement with a Third Party.

I'd prefer if human used the power of science to make their lives comfortable as much they can.
Even if it means genetically modifying them into becoming obedient Canon Fodder?

How do you feel about doctors?
I'm more than fine with them. I'm also okay with genetic Research as long as it's meant to treat People and not to form them according to the Needs and Wishes.

They are not being treated like cattle. If a woman wants a child, she can have it. It's her choice and not for you to decide. It's not even limited to lesbian, but single women and couples with problems.
This Choice involves a Third Party. And Adoption is sub-optimal, because the Children aren't a Product of Love.

Wait, I thought "that People shouldn't play God, etc. "?
Nothing against medical Science when it comes to cure Sicknesses.

Also you can't cure for homosexuality.
Just because a Cure hasn't been found yet, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

How are gay individuals going to take over the planet, by the way?
It's not that they could take over the World that would be problematic, it's that they couldn't produce Offspring on their own that is problematic.

Isn't simpler to cure homophobes like you? Homosexual can lead completely normal and satisfying lives , they can have and raise children just fine, work and pay taxes. The only obstacle are people like you.
I neither fear, nor dislike Homosexuals, but I don't think of them as normal. They're just sick People to me, who cannot do anything against their genetic Disease and I don't see any Reason to fear or loath them for it, just like I don't see any Reason to dislike or be frightened about any other sick Person for their Illness, as long as they don't attack me.
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Noboru said:
"Yet" is the Keyword. Meanwhile, there is no Proof for Aqua- or Sky-People.

So how is everyone going to be gay, suddenly? Will it be something in the water?

With one biological Parent.

And? The child gets two parents, anyway. Again, it's a woman right to give birth.

Not, bad, but not ideal, either. It's rather sub-optimal if you have to explain to your Child one Day that he or she wasn't a Result of Love, but of an Agreement with a Third Party.

Orphanages are sub-optimal, not two loving parents, be them straight or gay.

Even if it means genetically modifying them into becoming obedient Canon Fodder?

Isn't this what you want? To "cure" homosexuality so they can" become" straight?

This Choice involves a Third Party. And Adoption is sub-optimal, because the Children aren't a Product of Love.


Again, I think you fail to understand that children who get adopted already exist. They are already made. They are unwanted children that don't have a home stuck in a very bad system without stability.

Nothing against medical Science when it comes to cure Sicknesses.

So human playing god is fine, as long you get the benefits. But a woman wanting a child? Heaven forbids.

Just because a Cure hasn't been found yet, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

What's the argument here? People have been tried to "cure" homosexuals for years, it's always failed. What about bisexual, by the way? Are the only half-sick?

What if the only "cure" for homosexual was genetic modification? I thought you were against humans playing god?

Common sense dictates that homosexuality is just another possible human characteristic. One that you just happen to dislike.

It's not that they could take over the World that would be problematic, it's that they couldn't produce Offspring on their own that is problematic.

And we already established reproduction is not a problem. During the course of human history, I don't think we were ever at the risk of extinction because we couldn't make children. If anything the planet has too many people, in that sense homosexuality is a good way to control population, even if ultimate ineffective because science.

I neither fear, nor dislike Homosexuals,

Horseshit.

but I don't think of them as normal.

If by "normal" you mean "the norm" yeah, I guess they are. Just like having red hairs or being left handed. So what?

They're just sick People to me, who cannot do anything against their genetic Disease and I don't see any Reason to fear or loath them for it, just like I don't see any Reason to dislike or be frightened about any other sick Person for their Illness, as long as they don't attack me.


At the end of the day, you are just another conservative against the existence of LGBT that hides behind "ethics" and "what if", completely discharging reality.

"If we were all gay the planet will die." "But reproduction is not a problem and we are not going to become all gay anyway." "I don't care, it still is an issue."
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Wow you got 2 spicy topics in a day.
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Wow you got 2 spicy topics in a day.


Let's continue on shitposting , I need yo help


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Wow you got 2 spicy topics in a day.


Let's continue on shitposting , I need yo help


As long as I wont have to be the op then it will be fine. Lol
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Bernrika said:
So how is everyone going to be gay, suddenly? Will it be something in the water?
I don't know, I was only talking about a "What-if"-Scenario.

And? The child gets two parents, anyway. Again, it's a woman right to give birth.
Two Parents, but not two biological Parents.

Orphanages are sub-optimal, not two loving parents, be them straight or gay.
It's still a Stigmata compared to knowing that you are the Product of the Love of your biological Parents.

Isn't this what you want? To "cure" homosexuality so they can" become" straight?
I only want to have it if it reached a Stage where it could become a Problem.

Again, I think you fail to understand that children who get adopted already exist. They are already made. They are unwanted children that don't have a home stuck in a very bad system without stability.
No, you fail to understand that the ideal State would be to have two loving Parents produce Children and take care of them. Wanted Children produced by Love should be always preferred over having a Situation in which most People are either unwanted Children (= adopted) or not produced by Love ( = artificial Insemination).

So human playing god is fine, as long you get the benefits. But a woman wanting a child? Heaven forbids.
Benefits are fine as long it's about treating Sicknesses and not about fulfilling Wishes.

What's the argument here? People have been tried to "cure" homosexuals for years, it's always failed. What about bisexual, by the way? Are the only half-sick?
They didn't really try to cure them, they ostracized them, because they couldn't find a Remedy. Bisexuals have sick Traits as well, but at least the Chances are greater that they could form a Love Relationship in which Children made of Love could see the Light of the World.

What if the only "cure" for homosexual was genetic modification? I thought you were against humans playing god?
I assume it would be the only possible Remedy against a genetic Disease and as I said above, I have nothing against genetic Modifications for as long as they are about treating Illnesses.

Common sense dictates that homosexuality is just another possible human characteristic. One that you just happen to dislike.
A Characteristic that goes against the biological Purpose of Reproduction. And I neither like, nor dislike it.

And we already established reproduction is not a problem. During the course of human history, I don't think we were ever at the risk of extinction because we couldn't make children. If anything the planet has too many people, in that sense homosexuality is a good way to control population, even if ultimate ineffective because science.
The World is not overpopulated everywhere and not everywhere would be an equally big Problem if suddenly Millions of People were to not be born.

I neither fear, nor dislike Homosexuals,

Horseshit.
Nope, the Truth.

but I don't think of them as normal.

If by "normal" you mean "the norm" yeah, I guess they are. Just like having red hairs or being left handed. So what?
Except that Left-Handers and Redheads can still fulfill their biological Purpose.

At the end of the day, you are just another conservative against the existence of LGBT that hides behind "ethics" and "what if", completely discharging reality.
I'm not against the Existence of LGBT per se, I'm against them becoming a Majority. At the very least, I don't hide behind the political correct Notion that not being able to fulfill the biological Purpose because of a possible, genetic Disease is completely normal.
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@razor39999: I didn't say the Percentage of Homosexuals was increasing, I said it would be a Problem if it were.
You're creating a problem that isn't there and is very unlikely to ever be there. From what we can see, not just in human populations, but in any species living predominantly in groups, the amount of non-heterosexual behaviours is between 5% and maximum 10%. And that includes homo and bisexual.
And that's why I said that it's not a Problem as long as the Amount doesn't reach a critical Level, especially when it comes to more developed Countries. But some People either don't read my Postings completely or play stupid on Purpose.
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every time i see some one scream "homosexuality is not natural!!" ya and space travel medicine most processed food, cars, skyscrapers heaters, the internet etc are also considered not natural better stop using them if you can't stand "not natural"

Ehem
@Noboru
"Two Parents, but not two biological Parents."

so? families what you make of it.

you have something against adopting orphans?
GrimAtramentOct 22, 2017 12:43 PM
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
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I don't know, I was only talking about a "What-if"-Scenario.


Then why are you making these what if scenarios that are pretty much impossible? "Yet" implies a possibility.

Two Parents, but not two biological Parents.

And?

It's still a Stigmata compared to knowing that you are the Product of the Love of your biological Parents.


And? Again, live in reality with us. Not in your imaginary world in which everything works according to you. There are children right now, in this very moment without parents. Why is bad for them to get adopted by capable parents?

I only want to have it if it reached a Stage where it could become a Problem.

So a what if scenario that is never coming to pass.

No, you fail to understand that the ideal Stat


The ideal state exists only in your mind. Homosexuals exist. Orphans exist. Women have a right to give birth. Whatever you dislike these things is irrelevant.

Benefits are fine as long it's about treating Sicknesses and not about fulfilling Wishes.

Pretty sure we use science to accomplish a lot of things we can't do normally, but sure.

(Also your wish to cure gay individuals is fine?)

They didn't really try to cure them, they ostracized them

Conversion therapy, electroshock therapy, nazi experiments, testosterone therapy. I suggest you read the history of abuse LGBT have suffered by people like who who attempted to "cure" them.

I have nothing against genetic Modifications for as long as they are about treating Illnesses.

Oh so human playing god is fine now. Except when a woman wants a child.

The World is not overpopulated everywhere and not everywhere would be an equally big Problem if suddenly Millions of People were to not be born.

How are suddenly millions of people not going to be born?

Nope, the Truth.

You know, I would appreciate you homophobes if you just dropped the facade.

Except that Left-Handers and Redheads can still fulfill their biological Purpose.

If the chose to do it. Just like a gay woman can easily get pregnant if she wants it.

But speaking of biology, what if from a biological point of view homosexuality made sense? Humans have no problem making children, they have problems keeping them alive. Some species use homosexuality relive stress and resolve conflict. Have you heard of the "gay super-uncle" theory?

But why do you even care so much for biology anyway? Your single obsession with nature and natural is borderline weird.


I'm not against the Existence of LGBT per se, I'm against them becoming a Majority.

How are they going to become a majority? You keep saying this and you are not explaining us HOW.

You know, since you hate science, why don't you go back living in the caves? Get a blast of that "nature" and "biology" you love so much.

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you have something against adopting orphans?
The next one who either doesn't read completely or plays stupid, sigh.
I have nothing against Adoption, I just find it suboptimal, because the Children don't grow up as a Product of Love with both of their biological Parents.


@Bernrika: I was making that What-if-Scenario to point out when I would see the Need for Action against Homosexuality.

It's not bad, but rather good for unwanted Children to get adopted. It's bad if more and more Children become unwanted, so I prefer a Situation in which the Children are made of Love and can grow up with both of their biological Parents.

Machines don't include genetic Modifications.

People didn't really try to cure them. I would like to have a genuine Research into looking for a Cure if it became a Problem.

If the Child can't be born between a loving Man and Woman because the Egg Cell has a genetic Defect or something, then it's perfectly fine to have a second Mother provide the healthy genetic Material.

Less People would be more likely to be born if Homosexuality reached a much higher Percentage.

There is no façade. I would appreciate if you stopped saying Things about me that aren't true.

The only Sense Homosexuality could make would be for regulatory Purposes.
What is this "gay super-uncle" Theory?

I only care about naming Things correctly.

It doesn't matter HOW they could become a Majority, it only matters that they WOULD BE a Problem IF they became a Majority.

I never stated anywhere that I would hate Science.
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hazarddex said:
you have something against adopting orphans?
The next one who either doesn't read completely or plays stupid, sigh.
I have nothing against Adoption, I just find it suboptimal, because the Children don't grow up as a Product of Love with both of their biological Parents.


my you must have lived a ignorant life if you believe all biological parents view there children as a product of love.

theirs nothing worse or better about an adopted parent to a biological parent.

the only differences is one provided the egg and sperm. THAT IT.

I've seen many cases where a biological parent treats there kid worse then there adopted parent.

nether one is better it depends on the person raising them.

an adoptive parent is just as capable of love as a biological parent.

I'm not even adopted and even i know that.

come on.
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
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Lol, he's still persisting in this impossible scenario where suddenly the population is majority homosexual.


"What if everyone became gay" "It's not possible" "But what if we did" "Well,we can use science to continue the specie anyway""Human shouldn't play God""What about curing homosexuality?" "That's a fine use of science"

Am I the only one confused here?
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I don't hate anyone, neither do I support people using sexuality to define their lives. It is reprehensible to attack or kill people because of their sexual orientation. It is also reprehensible to lack self-control and not take command of your own actions including sex.
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"Gay People have the Right to have Children, but Children don't have the Right to live with their biological Parents."

"Artificial Insemination is completely normal for Humans."

"It doesn't matter whether Children were born out of Love or not."

"Everyone who doesn't agree with my Stances is homophobic."

Am I the only one who sees anything wrong with those Types of Statements?


hazarddex said:
I've seen many cases where a biological parent treats there kid worse then there adopted parent.
Anecdotal Evidence. While it's true that it's better to have loving Gay Parents taking care of their adopted Children than having biological Parents abusing their biological Children, it still remains the most ideal Scenario if a Child grows up with his or her biological Parents who are in a Love Relationship.
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Bernrika said:


"What if everyone became gay" "It's not possible" "But what if we did" "Well,we can use science to continue the specie anyway""Human shouldn't play God""What about curing homosexuality?" "That's a fine use of science"

Am I the only one confused here?
I think we should redirect Noboru to this thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1514242


lol honestly i bumped that thread after reading some of your arguments here

the human population will not suddenly become all gay since even things like sexual fluidity for majority of males at least are not the strong to begin with science says
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It's official I'm talking to an uninformed person. It's clear you think you're right (and you're really not, since you think homosexuality is going to cause millions of people to die in emptier countries like Africa and this will somehow ruin our economy and if you even bother telling me you didn't say that, I can quote it on your other posts) so let's just agree to disagree, and stop replying to me.
It's official, I'm talking to a Wall.
Homosexuality will be a Problem if Millions of native or white (USA) People in Europe or the USA or Japan or any other highly developed Place start to not be born, because Homosexuals and Bisexuals would propagate less, since they feel it's completely normal to be in a Relationship with their own Sex and thus don't even bother to start a heterosexual Relationship due to social Pressure.

Or imagine everyone becoming gay and stopping any sexual Contact with the opposite Sex: Humanity would be finished.

Homosexuality is still not a Problem, because they are a Minority and quite a few with those Characteristics still beget Children.



I don't understand how someone can have such devotion to biology and the social sciences topics while having no desire whatsoever to actually study the subjects properly.

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yes i do dislike them, but that doesnt mean I think they are inhuman and incapable of change. Some people are fargone in hate but their environment can really shape them. It may sound cheesy as fuck but that hippie love changing hate shit actually works sometimes, like that black guy who converted a bunch of KKK members just by befriending and talking to them.

Call me an idiot, but I genuinely believe a lot of hateful people are more uninformed then truly corrupted past the point of saving, though this is easier said than done in places like america than places that kill gays simply for existing.
JizzyHitlerOct 22, 2017 2:13 PM

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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I don't understand how someone can have such devotion to biology and the social sciences topics while having no desire whatsoever to actually study the subjects properly.
I don't understand how People become obsessed with replying to someone who seems to have hit a sore Spot.

Due to lack of supporting data, as well as exponentially increasing pressure from the advocates of homosexuality, the Board of Directors for the American Psychiatric Association voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM in 1973.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_psychology#The_Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual

I also recommend reading this from "Removal from the DSM"

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).


Moreover, widespread prejudice against homosexuality in the United States meant that many people who are homosexual go through an initial phase in which their homosexuality could be considered ego dystonic.


The foregoing should not be construed as an argument that sexual minority individuals are free from mental illness and psychological distress. Indeed, given the stresses created by sexual stigma and prejudice, it would be surprising if some of them did not manifest psychological problems (Meyer, 2003). The data from some studies suggest that, although most sexual minority individuals are well adjusted, nonheterosexuals may be at somewhat heightened risk for depression, anxiety, and related problems, compared to exclusive heterosexuals (Cochran & Mays, 2006).


http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html
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I'm bisexual myself, so of course I'd support LGBT rights.

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I don't support LGBT , but at the same time don't antagonize LGBT people or their supporters, you could say that I just don't care .
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"Gay People have the Right to have Children,


If a lesbian woman has a child, it's her own child. Where do you want to send these children? Straight concentration camp?

but Children don't have the Right to live with their biological Parents."


We are talking about orphans now, right? The biological parents DON'T WANT THEM. Or are unfit/abusive/dead/what the hell.

WHERE do you want to send these orphans?

"Artificial Insemination is completely normal for Humans."


It's... irrelevant??? Why should I care if something it's natural, normal or not? My PC I use to shitposts on MAL is not natural. Just like my monitor and my internet connection.

Does Artificial Insemination make people's life better? Yes, it allows sterile people, older women, gay people and even some straight people that have issue to have children. WHY should I be against it?

"It doesn't matter whether Children were born out of Love or not."

I'm not sure what's the argument here?

"Everyone who doesn't agree with my Stances is homophobic."


Yes, being against homosexuality and thinking they are sick or mentally ill is homophobia.

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