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The Trump administration is supplying Puerto Ricans with water from a former toxic waste dump, according to a review of Superfund documents and the EPA itself.

It’s been more than three weeks since Hurricane Maria made landfall on the U.S. colony of Puerto Rico. The storm all-but devastated the island. Infrastructure is in shambles. Relief efforts have been criticized for being woefully inadequate. At least 85% of the island is still without electricity. And many residents are still struggling to find food and water.

In fact, some 35-40% of the island’s inhabitants are without access to safe drinking water.

Complicating this humanitarian disaster is one somewhat troubling aspect of the administration’s response.

In an effort to supply the island with much-needed drinking water, the Puerto Rican water utility, Autoridad de Acueductos y Alcantarillados (“AAA”) has been pumping water out of a well from the Dorado Groundwater Contamination Site, notes a report by CNN.

The Dorado Groundwater Contamination Site is a U.S. government-recognized Superfund site.

Superfund is a program–undergirded by a monetary fund–set up by the United States federal government in order to deal with the cleanup of former toxic waste dumps. A “Superfund site” refers to the specific area subject to Superfund monitoring and cleanup operations and eligible for superfund monies.

Trucks have been moving the water from the Superfund site to desperate Puerto Ricans for weeks. Some of those trucks bear the imprint of the municipal authorities. Other trucks simply state that they are carrying potable water.

According to the Environmental Protection Agency (“EPA”), the Dorado Superfund site is contaminated with industrial chemicals, including tetrachloroethylene and trichloroethylene, which, “can have serious health impacts including damage to the liver and increasing the risk of cancer.”

In a statement issued, the EPA said:

The EPA is gathering more information about the quality of water from the wells associated with our Dorado groundwater contamination site, as well as other Superfund sites in Puerto Rico. While some of these wells are sometimes used to provide drinking water, the EPA is concerned that people could be drinking water that may be contaminated, depending on the well. We are mindful of the paramount job of protecting people’s health, balanced with people’s basic need for water.

It’s currently unclear whether the water from the Dorado Superfund site is safe to drink.

The EPA says they plan on testing the water soon.


https://lawnewz.com/high-profile/trump-administration-supplying-puerto-rico-with-water-from-toxic-waste-dump/

Wow just wow... That's no good
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wow indeed that sums up the Trump administration there really
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Come on guys, at least read the article...

"In an effort to supply the island with much-needed drinking water, the Puerto Rican water utility, Autoridad de Acueductos y Alcantarillados (“AAA”) has been pumping water out of a well from the Dorado Groundwater Contamination Site, notes a report by CNN.”

"the Puerto Rican water utility, "

>PUERTO RICAN

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worldeditor11 said:
Learn to read for pete sake.
>PUERTO RICAN

So that makes it better?
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worldeditor11 said:
Learn to read for pete sake.
>PUERTO RICAN

So that makes it better?


If you guys tell me blaming "Trump" administration for everything is anything useful besides furthering your agenda, sure be my guest.
Oct 15, 2017 2:26 AM
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nice indentonaly misleadings title lol

also use real srcs
nop watever "lawnewz" is
Oct 15, 2017 2:29 AM
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its still the responsibility of the government there and the current in charge of all the government there is the Trump administration anyway

heck EPA knows its toxic so why they did not stop the local government there and just allow them to get drinking water there for weeks now, the delay of action is neglect of government duties in the first place

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worldeditor11 said:
traed said:

So that makes it better?


If you guys tell me blaming "Trump" administration for everything is anything useful besides furthering your agenda, sure be my guest.

I literally just posted the article headline as it was so you're one that needs to learn how to read or are you replying to j0x?
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These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

Factual Reporting: HIGH

Notes: Law Newz is founded and run by Dan Abrams, who is currently the Chief Legal Anchor for ABC News, and host of both 60 Days In and Live PD on the A&E network. Has a slight left bias in reporting, but is well sourced. (10/30/2016)

Slight left bias...

abc's own article.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/national/desperate-puerto-ricans-drink-water-from-hazardous-waste-site

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/law-newz/


Rodriguez, 66, is so desperate for water that this news didn't startle him.
"I don't have a choice," he said. "This is the only option I have."
It's clear some residents are turning to potentially risky sources to get by.

Friday afternoon, CNN watched workers from the Puerto Rican water utility, Autoridad de Acueductos y Alcantarillados, or AAA, distribute water from a well at the Dorado Groundwater Contamination Site, which was listed in 2016 as part of the federal Superfund program for hazardous waste cleanup.

Residents like Rodriguez filled small bottles from a hose and piled them in their vehicles. Large trucks with cylindrical tanks on their backs carried the water to people elsewhere. Some of the trucks carried the name of the municipality of Dorado. Others simply were labeled with the words "Agua Potable," Spanish for potable water.


The original article by CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/us/puerto-rico-superfund-water/index.html

It is a testament to how bad things are there.

U.S. military dispatches three-star general to Puerto Rico amid charges of supply snafus

The U.S. military is sending a three-star general to Puerto Rico along with several thousand more troops to help the recovery from Hurricane Maria amid mounting complaints that thousands of containers of supplies are stuck at San Juan's port because of red tape, lack of drivers and a crippling power outage.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/aid-trickling-into-puerto-rico-but-thousands-supplies-still-stuck-port/711894001/











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I will add they were warned but that was too late really. They're pretty desperate which is why they are doing it.

- The U.S. environmental regulator warned residents of Puerto Rico on Wednesday not to break into wells at industrial waste sites as parts of the island still struggle with drinking water shortages three weeks after Hurricane Maria hit.

“There are reports of residents obtaining, or trying to obtain, drinking water from wells at hazardous waste ‘Superfund’ sites in Puerto Rico,” the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said in a release.

Superfund sites are areas contaminated by hazardous industrial waste that have been identified by the EPA as candidates for a federal clean-up program.

The EPA advised against “tampering with sealed and locked wells or drinking from these wells, as it may be dangerous to people’s health.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-puertorico-water/u-s-warns-puerto-rico-against-tapping-water-at-toxic-waste-sites-idUSKBN1CH0B9
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well even if the Puerto Ricans are warned before hand its the duty of EPA to report it to Trump so that Trump can do something immediately so its Trump Administration neglect of duties at work here like the Puero Ricans are drinking from those toxic sites for weeks so why the USA government allow it more to continue
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They make trump look bad.
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They make trump look bad.


its understandable really since if there is abundant or enough drinking water for Puerto Rico provided by the Trump government then they will not get drinking water from toxic places in the first place

meanwhile Trump played golf instead of assessing the Puerto Rico crisis days ago http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/353225-democrats-slam-trumps-criticism-of-puerto-rico-over-hurricane
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i really really really hope so it's a fake news... as much as i dislike trump, i don't believe he is that stupid...
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i really really really hope so it's a fake news... as much as i dislike trump, i don't believe he is that stupid...

The article title is a bit off but it's for real. I don't think "supplying" is the right word because he wasn't behind who ran the utility company as far as i know but it's more right to call it partially due to negligence under Trump administration.
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i really really really hope so it's a fake news... as much as i dislike trump, i don't believe he is that stupid...

The article title is a bit off but it's for real. I don't think "supplying" is the right word because he wasn't behind who ran the utility company as far as i know but it's more right to call it partially due to negligence under Trump administration.


so, it's not direct cause right?
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."
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Kuma said:
traed said:

The article title is a bit off but it's for real. I don't think "supplying" is the right word because he wasn't behind who ran the utility company as far as i know but it's more right to call it partially due to negligence under Trump administration.


so, it's not direct cause right?

As far as I'm aware it's not... Although they might be who is delivering the water so that might be why it said supply. That part isn't too clear in any articles i read on who delivers the water. Actually it's more complicated than that. Apparently land fill clean up had been neglected there for a long time which is what helped contaminate the country even more to begin with which helped make situations worse. Thus article is from 2016 that I randomly found
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/290175-is-puerto-rico-the-next-flint
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Come on guys, at least read the article...

"In an effort to supply the island with much-needed drinking water, the Puerto Rican water utility, Autoridad de Acueductos y Alcantarillados (“AAA”) has been pumping water out of a well from the Dorado Groundwater Contamination Site, notes a report by CNN.”

"the Puerto Rican water utility, "

>PUERTO RICAN



That's even worse, the utility company should be ashamed of themselves.


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why does it matter, it's not like anyone important lives in purto rico
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My fake news meter is off the charts!
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If you guys tell me blaming "Trump" administration for everything is anything useful besides furthering your agenda, sure be my guest.

I literally just posted the article headline as it was so you're one that needs to learn how to read or are you replying to j0x?
That's your problem dude.

That's your whole entire problem.

"All I did was repeat what I saw without questioning the validity of the information before I relayed it to anyone else."

That's your whole fuckin problem.
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I literally just posted the article headline as it was so you're one that needs to learn how to read or are you replying to j0x?
That's your problem dude.

That's your whole entire problem.

"All I did was repeat what I saw without questioning the validity of the information before I relayed it to anyone else."

That's your whole fuckin problem.


Bullshit ....I was on a phone and late at night so I didnt rename the article.


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My fake news meter is off the charts!

Because it's broken.

https://www.rt.com/usa/406528-puerto-rico-water-power-hurricane-relief/





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That's your problem dude.

That's your whole entire problem.

"All I did was repeat what I saw without questioning the validity of the information before I relayed it to anyone else."

That's your whole fuckin problem.


Bullshit ....I was on a phone and late at night so I didnt rename the article.
In terms of functionality of your phone, copy/pasting is about as difficult as coming up with your own title. You can say that you just aren't creative enough to write your own title for a thread, and you know, that'd be pretty accurate considering all you ever do is copy/paste articles as a subject for conversation.


Look at your post dude. Look at it. Take out everything you copy and pasted and look at "YOUR" post.

"Wow just wow... That's no good"

That's all you ever contributed before someone replied.


Look at all of your posts in this very topic. Take out anything that was copy pasted.

"So that makes it better?" - 1hr later
"I literally just posted the article headline as it was so you're one that needs to learn how to read or are you replying to j0x?"
"I will add they were warned but that was too late really. They're pretty desperate which is why they are doing it. " - The first post with actual substance

"The article title is a bit off but it's for real. I don't think "supplying" is the right word because he wasn't behind who ran the utility company as far as i know but it's more right to call it partially due to negligence under Trump administration." - 2hrs later - It took you two hours to claim that the very article you posted, as a topic of discussion, was faulty in some way, and in fact as noted by everyone else here, a major way. At least you demonstrated you actually have some form of opinion in this post.

"As far as I'm aware it's not... Although they might be who is delivering the water so that might be why it said supply. That part isn't too clear in any articles i read on who delivers the water. Actually it's more complicated than that. Apparently land fill clean up had been neglected there for a long time which is what helped contaminate the country even more to begin with which helped make situations worse." - Actual discussion. 3 hours later. Despite it still being a retraction from the article you yourself posted, at least you're actually talking about it.


This is the very pattern of all of your threads. Anyone could do this, but they don't due to how disgusted they would feel in doing it.
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can someone tell me that the water has at least been chemically treated, cleaned or w0t
otherwise ewwww
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The contaminated water probably won't have any adverse health effects. It's not something they're going to be consuming long term.

And yeah.. it's not Trump's fault. He's been sending aid over there. People are expecting some sort of unrealistic miracle it seems. Everything in government moves at a snail's pace.
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@Thrashinuva
Do i really have to do all the thinking for everyone else? Sometimes I don't go into full discussion till it's already started. I just post something as soon as i find it to get it it there before Someone else so i don't accidently make duplicate threads. Sometimes i forget to mention things till someone else brings it up. What the fuck do you expect? Stop your slanderous bullshit. I didn't post it for the title i posted it for the content and i didn't redact because the information is true. I just didn't focus on the title so i didn't think of correcting it especially when i was considering that the water was possibly delivered at hands of the US but apparently FEMA is refusing to deliver water. So i suppose they aren't who delivered the water but their negligence is part of why people are drinking waste water from not having enough people to deliver it from lack of help from FEMA
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/10/1705685/-FEMA-Not-our-job-to-deliver-water-and-food-to-Puerto-Ricans-Think-I-am-making-this-up-Wrong

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You "sometimes" don't go into full discussion right away.

Your OP's:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673809 - "This is so stupid of a law"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673998 - "Coca is completely legal to grow there and small amounts of cocaine is legal. There is no justification for this."
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673245 - "I rely on healthcare. Can't afford insurance. I hope this never comes to anything"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673660 - "Not sure if this is to take over overthrow Assad or genocide the various Kurdish forces.. Maybe both since he is against both."

I'm just going down the list here.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673658 - "This is hilarious and horrifying at the same time. How could someone fuck up that bad?"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673659 - "You know they're losing when they themselves start realizing it"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673232 - "I wonder if it just turns out to be a coincidence or if it shows cultural contact."
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673145 - "That guy is clearly lying his ass off. This is all pretty suspicious when you look at the big picture especially when you know that Nazis have been infiltrating the police for decades."
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1673153 - "Haha i bet a lot of people are conflicted on this from being against both Israel and the UN. "

How far do I have to go? Just going down the list. Haven't hit one yet where you didn't simply post some sort of a reaction sentence, and just a single sentence that doesn't provide any form of discussion material.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1671484 - "It's like a surprise party but without presents"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1672681 - "That's concerning"
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1672677 - "Conspiracy theorist breaking in or an accomplice or burglary and coincidence?"

I've only gone back 5 days so far. We're at October 11. Cutting out links, articles, or pictures, these are your ENTIRE OP's for all of these threads.

I didn't even look to see how many of the titles were copy-pasted as well. All of them? Probably. How do you expect that you're beating anyone to the punch by re-posting days old articles?

The problem is you don't do ANY thinking behind your posts. "Wow, I just can't believe what they're talking about in this article is actually happening." amounts to almost everything you post here.
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You people are so fragile i changed it. Now shut up. Also no @Thrashinuva I made some titles like the one about the coca farmers i removed references to Trump. The articles speak for themselves a lot of the time. There isn't much to add. Do i have to spoon feed you everything?
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its still the responsibility of the government there and the current in charge of all the government there is the Trump administration anyway

heck EPA knows its toxic so why they did not stop the local government there and just allow them to get drinking water there for weeks now, the delay of action is neglect of government duties in the first place



If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you would have won a gold medal.

The main reason why Puerto Rico public utilities were such in a bad shape to begin were due to decade(s) of government corruption. Yes, corruption and wide spread at that. Since you know constructing and maintaining public utilities do not happen overnight, this problem have already existed throughout the whole length of Obama administration.

By following your logic, is it safe to say Obama is the main culprit for enabling the widespread destruction in Puerto Rico?
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its still the responsibility of the government there and the current in charge of all the government there is the Trump administration anyway

heck EPA knows its toxic so why they did not stop the local government there and just allow them to get drinking water there for weeks now, the delay of action is neglect of government duties in the first place



If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you would have won a gold medal.

The main reason why Puerto Rico public utilities were such in a bad shape to begin were due to decade(s) of government corruption. Yes, corruption and wide spread at that. Since you know constructing and maintaining public utilities do not happen overnight, this problem have already existed throughout the whole length of Obama administration.

By following your logic, is it safe to say Obama is the main culprit for enabling the widespread destruction in Puerto Rico?


yes blame Obama more then, its funny because Trump always criticize Obama for everything and claims he can do better, now that he is president he cannot do shit and reality of governing hits him hard
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If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you would have won a gold medal.

The main reason why Puerto Rico public utilities were such in a bad shape to begin were due to decade(s) of government corruption. Yes, corruption and wide spread at that. Since you know constructing and maintaining public utilities do not happen overnight, this problem have already existed throughout the whole length of Obama administration.

By following your logic, is it safe to say Obama is the main culprit for enabling the widespread destruction in Puerto Rico?


yes blame Obama more then, its funny because Trump always criticize Obama for everything and claims he can do better, now that he is president he cannot do shit and reality of governing hits him hard


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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yes blame Obama more then, its funny because Trump always criticize Obama for everything and claims he can do better, now that he is president he cannot do shit and reality of governing hits him hard


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



thats right its really funny how Trump is better than Obama
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



thats right its really funny how Trump is better than Obama


No no no. Its funny because how good Obama is at playing golf compared to Trump.

And continue your mental gymnastics man. Top kek.
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isekai said:
its still the responsibility of the government there and the current in charge of all the government there is the Trump administration anyway

heck EPA knows its toxic so why they did not stop the local government there and just allow them to get drinking water there for weeks now, the delay of action is neglect of government duties in the first place



If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you would have won a gold medal.

The main reason why Puerto Rico public utilities were such in a bad shape to begin were due to decade(s) of government corruption. Yes, corruption and wide spread at that. Since you know constructing and maintaining public utilities do not happen overnight, this problem have already existed throughout the whole length of Obama administration.

By following your logic, is it safe to say Obama is the main culprit for enabling the widespread destruction in Puerto Rico?


I breifly brought that up before although i didn't specify Obama but sure his administration plays some role and so does Trumps and also the Puerto Rican government and the utility that was obtaining the water.
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thats right its really funny how Trump is better than Obama


No no no. Its funny because how good Obama is at playing golf compared to Trump.

And continue your mental gymnastics man. Top kek.


lets be clear here, drinking water supply is one of the crisis of Puerto Rico here
abundant or enough drinking water should be top priority on disaster response like this

so do not shift the issue to blaming past administration more since they are not in office anymore anyway

the current administration should take more the blame and public pressure to solve the crisis

and Trump wasted more time golfing this early on http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/17/who-plays-more-golf-donald-trump-or-barack-obama/

im not even doing mental gymnastics here lol i got no idea why you said that
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If mental gymnastics was an Olympic sport, you would have won a gold medal.

The main reason why Puerto Rico public utilities were such in a bad shape to begin were due to decade(s) of government corruption. Yes, corruption and wide spread at that. Since you know constructing and maintaining public utilities do not happen overnight, this problem have already existed throughout the whole length of Obama administration.

By following your logic, is it safe to say Obama is the main culprit for enabling the widespread destruction in Puerto Rico?


I breifly brought that up before although i didn't specify Obama but sure his administration plays some role and so does Trumps and also the Puerto Rican government and the utility that was obtaining the water.


I don't even want to blame Obama (nor Trump, NGOs, FEMA etc.) since this is clearly the local government fault for misusing state funds.
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I breifly brought that up before although i didn't specify Obama but sure his administration plays some role and so does Trumps and also the Puerto Rican government and the utility that was obtaining the water.


I don't even want to blame Obama (nor Trump, NGOs, FEMA etc.) since this is clearly the local government fault for misusing state funds.


people lack drinking water there so put aside the issue of blaming the local government that is affected by the storm disaster too

what part of the government there that is able to help immediately? of course the Trump government

you do not need mental gymnastic to figure that out
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Alright so in search of an actual good thread in this dumpster, I realized far more have shit OP's than I realized, but you still take the cake for the sheer amount of shit OP's that you make.

Let's take a look at an actual good OP.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1657385
"False rape accusers are finally facing punishment... and feminists don't like it." - Original title
"Do you think false rape accusers should face harsher punishment!" - Poll to sample opinions here on CE, though the poll was added later.

Starts with a link, however as a follow up there are three paragraphs, legit actual paragraphs, of actual opinion. In the very first paragraph is goes over what the topic is about, for those who don't read the article.

Is it a 10/10 OP? No. It's more than passable, though, and actually looks like someone who paid attention in English class.
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worldeditor11 said:

I don't even want to blame Obama (nor Trump, NGOs, FEMA etc.) since this is clearly the local government fault for misusing state funds.

Why would it only be their fault and not spread out?
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worldeditor11 said:

I don't even want to blame Obama (nor Trump, NGOs, FEMA etc.) since this is clearly the local government fault for misusing state funds.

Why would it only be their fault and not spread out?

That's like blaming the police for not catching/stopping the thief for breaking into your home when you do not lock your gates, leave your front and back door wide open for everyone and even has a giant sign on your front yard claiming that you are rich. Its exaggerated but you get the point.

I mean, the majority of the fault lies on them for being corrupted in the first place thus enabling widespread destruction and failure of public utilities. Correct me if I am wrong isn't the state has a full authority on how they implement their state funds? Other hurricane struck states fare way way better in contrast to Puerto Rico and you don't see people praising Trump nor FEMA nor NGOs for doing their jobs.

Enough of blame games, the last I heard Trump is sending a three star general alongside with more military personnel to speed up the recovery. So, I don't think he is neglecting Puerto Rico at all. Just when we have been battered with 3 land devastating hurricanes, now there's widespread fire in North Cal that need immediate attention.
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Alright so in search of an actual good thread in this dumpster, I realized far more have shit OP's than I realized, but you still take the cake for the sheer amount of shit OP's that you make.

Let's take a look at an actual good OP.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1657385
"False rape accusers are finally facing punishment... and feminists don't like it." - Original title
"Do you think false rape accusers should face harsher punishment!" - Poll to sample opinions here on CE, though the poll was added later.

Starts with a link, however as a follow up there are three paragraphs, legit actual paragraphs, of actual opinion. In the very first paragraph is goes over what the topic is about, for those who don't read the article.

Is it a 10/10 OP? No. It's more than passable, though, and actually looks like someone who paid attention in English class.

I keep full debate topics to CD and leave news as news usually. Not ever topic can be expanded on into a huge debate. Any debate our what it may be occurs organically anyway. It doesn't have to be rigidly set up. Most people don't ever read the OPs in CE so it really is a waste to put too much effort in it. There isn't as much users here as in CD. So like most people i wait for something to reply to before going more in depth. I have some threads i use multiple sources and give an analysis in the OP and some i just have a brief minimal response. .. seriously chill out
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Why would it only be their fault and not spread out?

That's like blaming the police for not catching/stopping the thief for breaking into your home when you do not lock your gates, leave your front and back door wide open for everyone and even has a giant sign on your front yard claiming that you are rich. Its exaggerated but you get the point.

I mean, the majority of the fault lies on them for being corrupted in the first place thus enabling widespread destruction and failure of public utilities. Correct me if I am wrong isn't the state has a full authority on how they implement their state funds? Other hurricane struck states fare way way better in contrast to Puerto Rico and you don't see people praising Trump nor FEMA nor NGOs for doing their jobs.

Enough of blame games, the last I heard Trump is sending a three star general alongside with more military personnel to speed up the recovery. So, I don't think he is neglecting Puerto Rico at all. Just when we have been battered with 3 land devastating hurricanes, now there's widespread fire in North Cal that need immediate attention.


California local government can do more with their crisis than Puerto Rico local government

and also about Trump

Trump says military should not have to help with food, water distribution in Puerto Rico
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/trump-says-military-should-not-have-to-help-with-food-water-distribution-in-puerto-rico.html

...We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918432809282342912

and on a related note

Trump would slash disaster funding to the very agencies he’s praising for Harvey response
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-agencies-respond-to-storm-some-face-cuts-under-trump-budget-proposal/2017/08/29/0fbbd6ca-8cc8-11e7-84c0-02cc069f2c37_story.html

so much for being presidential right there, no wonder people are criticizing Trump with his low care over who needs help more
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California local government can do more with their crisis than Puerto Rico local government


Right, even more mental gymnastics. Somehow, Puerto Rico local government can do less due to being affected directly by the disaster despite California local government being affected directly by the disaster. No sir, since you are so hell bent on labelling Trump for everything bad, lets not forget the Puerto Rico mayor has both time and resources to create and print a shirt with NASTY printed on it and proceed to do massive operations on MSM on how bad Trump is. Right...

isekai said:

and also about Trump

Trump says military should not have to help with food, water distribution in Puerto Rico
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/trump-says-military-should-not-have-to-help-with-food-water-distribution-in-puerto-rico.html

...We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918432809282342912


From that very same article stated that

"They have to distribute the food to the people of the island. So, what we've done is, we now actually have military distributing food, something that really they shouldn't have to be doing,"

What Trump was implying they, the local government, job to oversee the distribution of aid. A job that the local government of Puerto Rico failed to uphold. But why must the local government should do that you ask? Because the local government have the most information on their region, its community and most important of all, know who need the aid most. The military doesn't have that. On the other hand, you don't see they blame FEMA for not distributing aid do you?

We all know the local government in Puerto Rico is whack. Heavily in debt, still busy with pushing politics over relief efforts and now, hoping the whole USA to clean up their mess. Can you see what I am seeing here? What they are essentially doing is hoping that the National government will save them from their own demise, something they intentionally cause for self gain and money. Let me put it this way, this is like me participating in open burning on my house and one day, my whole house burned down thanks to it. But no, I blamed the firefighters for not responding fast enough and the government for not providing a new house.


No comment as its still in proposal phase.

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so much for being presidential right there, no wonder people are criticizing Trump with his low care over who needs help more


Damn if you do and damn if you don't.
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I mean, the majority of the fault lies on them for being corrupted in the first place thus enabling widespread destruction and failure of public utilities. Correct me if I am wrong isn't the state has a full authority on how they implement their state funds? Other hurricane struck states fare way way better in contrast to Puerto Rico and you don't see people praising Trump nor FEMA nor NGOs for doing their jobs.

Do you have info good they are using their funds now? Because you couldn't possibly be expecting them to anticipate something this widespread and bad are you? Where are you getting the info on how they use their funds?
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meanwhile this was Trump's tweet on Texas storm crisis
TEXAS: We are with you today, we are with you tomorrow, and we will be with you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to restore, recover, and REBUILD!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/904025340049285121

why selective on what territory he cares then?
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Just toss some paper towels their way, that'll fix everything
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I mean, the majority of the fault lies on them for being corrupted in the first place thus enabling widespread destruction and failure of public utilities. Correct me if I am wrong isn't the state has a full authority on how they implement their state funds? Other hurricane struck states fare way way better in contrast to Puerto Rico and you don't see people praising Trump nor FEMA nor NGOs for doing their jobs.

Do you have info good they are using their funds now? Because you couldn't possibly be expecting them to anticipate something this widespread and bad are you? Where are you getting the info on how they use their funds?


No, you are not getting my point. The main reason why PR public utilities are in such a sad shape as they are now because they lack maintenance prior to the disaster. The reasons are many but the most likely culprit is corruption.

Not sure how reliable this is but this is the first one.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2017/09/hurricane_maria_could_lead_puerto_rico_s_electric_utility_prepa_to_privatize.html

A few more(not related, but might give you a sense on how things are in PR):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/09/20/puerto-ricos-power-company-was-already-bankrupt-then-hurricane-maria-hit/
https://qz.com/1069996/hurricane-irma-is-threatening-puerto-rico-with-6-month-blackouts-as-its-utility-is-already-running-on-fumes/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/10/13/puerto-rico-needs-50000-utility-poles/#4f2180ca3d84
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Man, I can't even ignore this.
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California local government can do more with their crisis than Puerto Rico local government


Right, even more mental gymnastics. Somehow, Puerto Rico local government can do less due to being affected directly by the disaster despite California local government being affected directly by the disaster. No sir, since you are so hell bent on labelling Trump for everything bad, lets not forget the Puerto Rico mayor has both time and resources to create and print a shirt with NASTY printed on it and proceed to do massive operations on MSM on how bad Trump is. Right...


thats not mental gymnastics at all but assessing which disaster weaken the local government more and in this case Puerto Rico have it much worse you know, the whole country have no electricity and water and much of their infrastructure is devastated unlike California, this is not that hard to deny and understand
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worldeditor11 said:
Man, I can't even ignore this.


Right, even more mental gymnastics. Somehow, Puerto Rico local government can do less due to being affected directly by the disaster despite California local government being affected directly by the disaster. No sir, since you are so hell bent on labelling Trump for everything bad, lets not forget the Puerto Rico mayor has both time and resources to create and print a shirt with NASTY printed on it and proceed to do massive operations on MSM on how bad Trump is. Right...


thats not mental gymnastics at all but assessing which disaster weaken the local government more and in this case Puerto Rico have it much worse you know, the whole country have no electricity and water and much of their infrastructure is devastated unlike California, this is not that hard to deny and understand


Oh right, Puerto Rico totally didn't expect both Hurricane Irma and Maria barrelling down on them. Yup, totally caught them by surprise. No preparation whatsoever since you know, they didn't expect that to happen after all.
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