Voice actress Caitlin Grass: "If an anime hasn't been licensed where you live... you're not allowed to watch it!"
logopolis said: Grass' claims can be argued against from a capitalist/right wing libertarian perspective as well. If a company (in this case an anime licensing company that won't license a certain anime) fails to satisfy its customers (the ones that want a certain anime licensed) then there is no reason for the customer to support said company and not go look for other means of getting what they want. "No victim, no crime" is also a (both left and right wing) libertarian concept.Yes, yes, person in capitalist society supports the evil of universal copyright in the information age, failing to understand understand how a society can possibly value things which aren't owned by someone and turned into capital. Tell us something new. |
Comic_SansOct 15, 2017 3:37 AM
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Comic_Sans said: Grass' claims can be argued against from a capitalist/right wing libertarian perspective as well. If a company (in this case an anime licensing company that won't license a certain anime) fails to satisfy its customers (the ones that want a certain anime licensed) then there is no reason for the customer to support said company and not go look for other means of getting what they want. "No victim, no crime" is also a (both left and right wing) libertarian concept. "No victim, no crime" is absolutely correct and can be an opinion of even hard right-wingers, but that's because it's not an economic opinion to start with. So while right-wingers can oppose universal copyright, certainly, they will be doing so from a perspective of social liberalism rather than right-wing economics. Supporting the current copyright system requires you to be both right-wing and authoritarian. |
| What amazes me is that there are still so many people in this day and age stupid enough to believe that piracy is hurting the industry. Simple google search and you'll find numerous studies about this. You can debate whether it's immoral or not as long as you want, but you're wasting your time because it's an irrelevant debate. Piracy doesn't hurt sales. |
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logopolis said: Oh, I didn't realize you were just referring to right wing authoritarianism. In that case, you are correct"No victim, no crime" is absolutely correct and can be an opinion of even hard right-wingers, but that's because it's not an economic opinion to start with. So while right-wingers can oppose universal copyright, certainly, they will be doing so from a perspective of social liberalism rather than right-wing economics. Supporting the current copyright system requires you to be both right-wing and authoritarian. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Gogo, Kiss and 9anime say otherwise. |
| I mean, she's technically correct, but its not like anyone is going to listen. |
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| Well, she dubs anime. Who cares. Why do English dub VAs exist again? |
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| She's gonna lose a few fans for saying that. It would be different if someone were illegally streaming/torrenting an licensed Anime that you can buy on DVD/Blu-ray in North America, but when it comes to unlicensed stuff you can't get, companies don't care if you pirate it, but they're not losing any profit. |
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"Somehow to ensure its licensed on the dubbed region"? Not sure why but even on games though it isnt a bad thing. -------------------- On the topic If Industry are that strict Anime itself might have died longtime ago or just having a hard time to maintain itself as an Entertaiment Industry. Didnt someone mentioned that anime were bigger because fans over the world? Though the most of the fans contribute nothing other than the Fandom. |
| Don't see why I should give a shit about the anime industry's profits if they don't give a shit about even trying to supply legal anime to me so.. Yo ho, yo ho! A pirate's life for me! |
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Xaelath said: Dark_Sage put it rather nicelyOn the topic If Industry are that strict Anime itself might have died longtime ago or just having a hard time to maintain itself as an Entertaiment Industry. Svar till @caitlinsvoice https://twitter.com/feedmeyourtears/status/919288407129579521That's a great idea. Yo-ho-ho that's a pirate's life for youThe only reason the American industry exists is because of the pirates you so despise. Who do you think is buying your budget voice acting? 12:46 - 14 okt. 2017 |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Then, how am I suppose to watch certain anime legally? Swagernator said: People like Anime "Voice actors" outside of Japan need to cease to exist. Except Steven Blum. |
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| Does she not realise that no-one really cares, people will always pirate and saying what she said isn't going to magically help the problem. |
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Comic_Sans said: Xaelath said: Dark_Sage put it rather nicelyOn the topic If Industry are that strict Anime itself might have died longtime ago or just having a hard time to maintain itself as an Entertaiment Industry. Svar till @caitlinsvoice https://twitter.com/feedmeyourtears/status/919288407129579521That's a great idea. Yo-ho-ho that's a pirate's life for youThe only reason the American industry exists is because of the pirates you so despise. Who do you think is buying your budget voice acting? 12:46 - 14 okt. 2017 Yeah its technically correct. Without any popularity boost industry died especially when its shunned by its own making country. |
| Their attempts to make me feel bad about pirating are never going to work. Especially when they try to take the moral high-ground, and treat you like scum in the process. |
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| Opinion of American or any other non Japanese voice actor means no more than opinion of random anon. Or even less. |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| I highly doubt she knows anything about the community or does anything other than voice act on the side. She doesn't respect us so in the same vein. |
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Kittens-kun said: For once I agree with you, pirate hunters like Caitlin Grass need to stop acting like they objectively hold the moral high ground.Their attempts to make me feel bad about pirating are never going to work. Especially when they try to take the moral high-ground, and treat you like scum in the process. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Darek said: Oh look, Sub > Dub faggetry, who would have guessed? in a thread like this? Either way... Who even is she? When you have this duo of braindead f*cknuts, anything can and will be turned into Sub > Dub stupidity. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: A dub voice actress just insulted a big chunk of the anime community. Is it really that strange?When you have this duo of braindead f*cknuts, anything can and will be turned into Sub > Dub stupidity. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| I don't know why anyone would be mad at her. If she said anything different, she would be fired. |
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She is actually fairly nice in person.... just speaking as someone who has met her. And she does actually have a nice voice in stuff she has been in. She plays Winry in Full Metal Alchemist which is one of the works people prefer watching dubbed. Yakumo Tsukamoto in School Rumble, which I also like dubbed. Haruhi Fujioka in Ouran which many people prefer dubbed (I just don't like it that much but yeah it is a well loved anime people like dubbed). Miria Harvent in Bacanno- another one people watch dubbed over subbed. Mina Ashido in My Hero Academia which I admit, I can watch either subbed or dubbed no problem. She actually is in a significant number of quality dubs... soooo |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| I feel as if most (if not all) of the industry advocates the same thing, it's like protecting your interest (money). Not that I agree, but you'll find that mindset everywhere professionally. Who cares though? Like, honestly. I just kind of snicker and continually move forward. |
Comic_Sans said: le_halfhand_easy said: A dub voice actress just insulted a big chunk of the anime community. Is it really that strange?When you have this duo of braindead f*cknuts, anything can and will be turned into Sub > Dub stupidity. I don't think she insulted anyone. I think she went by what is actually the standard. If she said anything else she would either be a hypocrite or her job would be on the line. whatever. Just sayin. She works in the industry... I don't even know how you could judge. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
Woes said: As much as I like Caitlin Glass, She's technically right, though I'll continue to watch my anime pirated anyway so. Yes. She is taking a very much industry stance. And if you want to watch stuff pirated anyway (and I do if it is not available at all as well) I mean, I don't even see how this could be insulting. If she said anything else she would be fired. If she said anything else, she would be labeled a hypocrite by the anime community. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| I'm at the point where, if you're going to pirate anime, just do it. Don't try to justify it. Just own up to the decision you've made. No sense pretending we're in the right when we're not. |
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ChiibiOct 15, 2017 7:22 AM
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Rotton-Girl said: Calling people privileged/entitled for watching anime that are never going to be released in the West anyway and accusing them of really hating voice actors is not going to fly well with a lot of people. A simple "Piracy is bad" would have sufficed. I don't think she was the worst offender though, her colleague Alexis Tipton's reaction to the whole thing was worseI don't think she insulted anyone. I think she went by what is actually the standard. If she said anything else she would either be a hypocrite or her job would be on the line. whatever. Just sayin. She works in the industry... I don't even know how you could judge. Svar till @caitlinsvoice https://twitter.com/AlexisTiptonVA/status/919284916843630594Anime Piracy=Entitlement. If you disagree, you don't understand this industry at all. Educate yourself and grow up. 12:32 - 14 okt. 2017 That is NOT very professional, no matter how you look at it |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Being an anime dub voice actress itself should be a crime lmao. Who is she anyway. I watch what I want, where I want, when I want and don't give two cents about the opinion of some random useless dub voice actress. If you want me to watch it legally, make it available in my country and that's that. I am more than willing to pay for the services. |
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| She just stirred a hornet's nest.People are going to create hullabaloo for few days,then everything will go back to the same status quo. Piracy in these days,always comes out on top.Her being morally right,which some people might feel as being entitled ,isn't actually going to change anything.She did what she had to do to keep her job.She would be called hypocrite otherwise. |
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Comic_Sans said: Rotton-Girl said: Calling people privileged/entitled for watching anime that are never going to be released in the West anyway and accusing them of really hating voice actors is not going to fly well with a lot of people. A simple "Piracy is bad" would have sufficed. I don't think she was the worst offender though, her colleague Alexis Tipton's reaction to the whole thing was worseI don't think she insulted anyone. I think she went by what is actually the standard. If she said anything else she would either be a hypocrite or her job would be on the line. whatever. Just sayin. She works in the industry... I don't even know how you could judge. Svar till @caitlinsvoice https://twitter.com/AlexisTiptonVA/status/919284916843630594Anime Piracy=Entitlement. If you disagree, you don't understand this industry at all. Educate yourself and grow up. 12:32 - 14 okt. 2017 That is NOT very professional, no matter how you look at it But it is entitlement. You believe you have the right to these things right now at any cost, regardless of who owns them and what rights holders or creators of the property say about it. So yes it is entitlement. Does it matter? No. Are we privileged to live in a time when we can ignore companies? Yes. If this were 1999, there would be nothing we could do about it. People with internet are privileged. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| Telling people they are not allowed to do something, is only going to make them want to do it more. She should just stick to reading a script. |
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| A parasite calling out on thieves. Nothing new under the sun. |
Rotton-Girl said: It doesn't matter whether Grass and Tipton think it's entitlement or not. If they're going to insult people online while bringing shitty arguments to the table then they shouldn't be surprised when people start insulting them and their logic backBut it is entitlement. You believe you have the right to these things right now at any cost, regardless of who owns them and what rights holders or creators of the property say about it. So yes it is entitlement. Does it matter? No. Are we privileged to live in a time when we can ignore companies? Yes. If this were 1999, there would be nothing we could do about it. People with internet are privileged. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Piracy is often more due to the lack of convenient availability than from the desire to get it free. You can't solve the issue by clamping down on piracy, let alone virtue signalling about the morality of stealing people's hard work. You need to distribute it legally AND better. That said, what she actually said is 100% right. By right we aren't supposed to be watching something we didn't pay for. But by left, no one gives a fuck, they'll watch what they want and will pirate it because the way anime is distributed is terrible. CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Telling people they are not allowed to do something, is only going to make them want to do it more. She should just stick to reading a script. ^This as well |
BurningSpiritOct 15, 2017 7:38 AM
| I'm not a lolicon, you're just projecting your tendency to lewd 2D characters. If your favourite character is Tsutsukakushi Tsukiko, you are my soul mate. Been a long time since I've been here, I'll continue expressing myself freely and believe everyone should too. My MAL Interview |
| @Rotton-Girl Don't bother. Just let this dumbass thread fade into obscurity. _Poochyena_ said: I'm at the point where, if you're going to pirate anime, just do it. Don't try to justify it. Just own up to the decision you've made. No sense pretending we're in the right when we're not. Oh look, a calm, reasonable human being. What the f*ck are you doing in this thread? BakaSenpaii said: Being an anime dub voice actress itself should be a crime lmao. Hahahaha I'm 12 btw >FTFY |
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| Why don't you address the content of the OP instead of beating it around the bush? Is it because you have no arguments? Come on big boy, I am all ears |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Shove off, I'm watching Pripara and Aikatsu regardless. |
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Rotton-Girl said: But it is entitlement. You believe you have the right to these things right now at any cost, regardless of who owns them and what rights holders or creators of the property say about it. So yes it is entitlement. All humans are "entitled" to do anything which has no negative effect on any other being. That includes watching television, where no other being is even involved. |
Comic_Sans said: Why don't you address the content of the OP instead of beating it around the bush? Is it because you have no arguments? Come on big boy, I am all ears I would. But I would be talking to a wall when instead I could be watching Starladder Secret vs Liquid right now. And I've decided that watching Kuroky be right is a much better waste of my time. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: "Talking to a wall" is just a code word for "I have no arguments", just like "alt right" is a code word for "4chan neo nazi" and "body positivity" is a code word for "fat acceptance"I would. But I would be talking to a wall when instead I could be watching Starladder Secret vs Liquid right now. And I've decided that watching Kuroky be right is a much better waste of my time. |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
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