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Oct 15, 2017 3:13 PM

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I understand where she's coming from but she could've stated it a better way. Most anime fans I know don't spend a dime on anime but love watching it. The money has to come from somewhere. Animators, voice actors, and writers etc... have to get paid some how. I know guys who will buy multiple external hard drives to download anime instead of buying the dvd or the manga. That's kinda backwards imo.
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:26 PM

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Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
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Yeah, and KA still offers more. CR, Funimation, Netflix, and especially Amazon, are all ass. Why should I pay for something that's worse than free alternative?

KA is ass too btw. the video quality is pure garbage. they offer more stuff because it's stealing from fansub sites is easier than licensing shows in a legal manner.


Ok, it's still better than every other legal option. And it's not even like KA is the best illegal site either. Masterani.me, AnimeFrost, and AnimeTwist are all better.
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:29 PM

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instead of buying the dvd or the manga. That's kinda backwards imo.

some pirates spend hundreds on manga (edit: and LNs). as for "Animators, voice actors, and writers etc... have to get paid some how" - i hope you're not implying that pirates in the west make a huge dent in their profits.
fact check: they don't.
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:32 PM

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Kittens-kun said:
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KA is ass too btw. the video quality is pure garbage. they offer more stuff because it's stealing from fansub sites is easier than licensing shows in a legal manner.


Ok, it's still better than every other legal option. And it's not even like KA is the best illegal site either. Masterani.me, AnimeFrost, and AnimeTwist are all better.

better because they have more shows? comparing the anime catalogue in sites that steal content from other sites to legal sites makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:44 PM

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Comic_Sans said:
You're supposed to discuss on forums and that's exactly what we're doing here, discussing.
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Nice try attempting to derail the conversation to make it revolve around general piracy, but that's not what this thread is about
So much for Comic_Sans The Free Speech Advocate. If you don't want a general piracy discussion, maybe don't include a massive FB screenshot with ample general piracy discussion? People may choose to justify piracy by saying "it's not available where I live," but Glass still isn't wrong -- the law (though some may disagree with it) is pretty clear that you're not allowed to watch any copyrighted materials by non-legal means, regardless of where it is or is not licensed.

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They offer a worse service than the illegal sites, ask you to pay for it, AND act like you're scum if you don't. How is not their fault?
Bootleg streaming sites are not legitimate competitors to the legal streaming sites; they are cheaters. It's easy to have a wider selection when you're not paying for licensing, bandwidth, or translation costs. People claim that piracy is a service problem rather than a pricing one, but it sure seems like "better service" is synonymous with "service I don't have to pay for."

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what is said: pirating hurts the industry

what is really meant: pirating hurt Kadokawa and other anime companies CEO's bottomline. let's be honest: animators has always been paid slave wages and will continue to receive slave wages regardless of how much people buy a given product. why would anime companies pay liveable wages to animators when they don't have to? anime directors aren't all that much better either and can get kicked out for any reason, despite contributing immensely to an anime's success - or even being the reason a given anime is successful. but hey, pirating does hurt the industry. the money spent on the blurays and dvds help keep the slave animators employed.
People keep using that word "slave," but I don't think it means what they think it means. Did someone kidnap them from their homes and force them to draw? Are animators chained to their desks? Are they whipped, beaten, or raped on their masters' whims? Are they chased through the swamps by bloodhounds if they want to quit their jobs and work somewhere else?

Yes, some have predicted a coming "slave revolt", but what kind of industry do animators have a better chance of winning wage concessions from: a profitable one, or one that's barely surviving?
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"You're encouraging the idea of personal gain without paying a price, working hard, or expending effort? Have you no shame? When you refuse to make sacrifices, others end up making them for you!" -- Medaka Kurokami
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:47 PM

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Cyborg_Icarus29 said:

better because they have more shows? comparing the anime catalogue in sites that steal content from other sites to legal sites makes no sense whatsoever.


Sorry to butt in, but not just in terms of quantity. Crunchyroll is still using an outdated Flash Player.
1 hour = 10,000 yen.
2 hours = 20,000 yen.
3 hours = 3 loaves of French bread.
4 hours = 4 loaves of French bread.
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:48 PM
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lime93 said:
I understand where she's coming from but she could've stated it a better way. Most anime fans I know don't spend a dime on anime but love watching it. The money has to come from somewhere. Animators, voice actors, and writers etc... have to get paid some how. I know guys who will buy multiple external hard drives to download anime instead of buying the dvd or the manga. That's kinda backwards imo.


Agreed. But lots of underage kids aren't going to have money to buy $20+ dvds (which only have a handful of episodes) let alone Funi Blu-Rays which are $60 and up. Lots of the anime audience is young and won't have that type of cash to spend. If she knew anything about the anime community I'd feel like she'd know at least that much.

Streaming is the best option it just won't cover everything and it's not a bad problem per say it's just one that is present.
 
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Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
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Ok, it's still better than every other legal option. And it's not even like KA is the best illegal site either. Masterani.me, AnimeFrost, and AnimeTwist are all better.

better because they have more shows? comparing the anime catalogue in sites that steal content from other sites to legal sites makes no sense whatsoever.


It doesn't matter how they're better. They ARE better. Bottom line.
 
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No bitch can tell me what I can and can't watch, I now sexually Identify as a female, I'll square that bitch up.
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Oct 15, 2017 3:51 PM

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You're supposed to discuss on forums and that's exactly what we're doing here, discussing.
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Nice try attempting to derail the conversation to make it revolve around general piracy, but that's not what this thread is about
So much for Comic_Sans The Free Speech Advocate. If you don't want a general piracy discussion, maybe don't include a massive FB screenshot with ample general piracy discussion? People may disagree and choose to justify piracy by saying "it's not available where I live," but Glass still isn't wrong -- the law is pretty clear that you're not allowed to watch any copyrighted materials by non-legal means, regardless of where it is or is not licensed.

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They offer a worse service than the illegal sites, ask you to pay for it, AND act like you're scum if you don't. How is not their fault?
Bootleg streaming sites are not legitimate competitors to the legal streaming sites; they are cheaters. It's easy to have a wider selection when you're not paying for licensing, bandwidth, or translation costs. People claim that piracy is a service problem rather than a pricing one, but it sure seems like "better service" is synonymous with "service I don't have to pay for."

DreamingBeats said:
what is said: pirating hurts the industry

what is really meant: pirating hurt Kadokawa and other anime companies CEO's bottomline. let's be honest: animators has always been paid slave wages and will continue to receive slave wages regardless of how much people buy a given product. why would anime companies pay liveable wages to animators when they don't have to? anime directors aren't all that much better either and can get kicked out for any reason, despite contributing immensely to an anime's success - or even being the reason a given anime is successful. but hey, pirating does hurt the industry. the money spent on the blurays and dvds help keep the slave animators employed.
People keep using that word "slave," but I don't think it means what they think it means. Did someone kidnap them from their homes and force them to draw? Are animators chained to their desks? Are they whipped, beaten, or raped on their masters' whims? Are they chased through the swamps by bloodhounds if they want to quit their jobs and work somewhere else?

Yes, some have predicted a coming "slave revolt", but what kind of industry do animators have a better chance of winning wage concessions from: a profitable one, or one that's barely surviving?


It doesn't matter if they cheat. It's a better site, and it's free. How can you justify the legal sites exactly? What do they have that KA doesn't?
 
Oct 15, 2017 3:55 PM

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Zalis said:
So much for Comic_Sans The Free Speech Advocate.
How does expecting people to stay on topic equal being against freedom of speech or go against what I said about creating discussion? Now you're just reaching for straws.
If you don't want a general piracy discussion, maybe don't include a massive FB screenshot with ample general piracy discussion?
No, it's a discussion revolving around a specific kind of piracy, AKA pirating non licensed content. Learn how to read.
People may disagree and choose to justify piracy by saying "it's not available where I live," but Glass still isn't wrong -- the law is pretty clear that you're not allowed to watch any copyrighted materials by non-legal means, regardless of where it is or is not licensed.
The rules can be wrong
It's shitty logic because A) piracy isn't as terrible as pirate hunters make it out to be B) she does not objectively hold the moral high ground as piracy is not objectively morally wrong C) her being a voice actress does not make her an expert on how the industry works D) the fans are not objectively more entitled than the companies who refuse to license said series E) she's throwing a hissy fit over something that often can be described as a "no victim, no crime" situation and F) entitlement is not necessarily a bad thing. I could probably think of more logical fails but six is enough so ain't nobody got time for that.
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Oct 15, 2017 4:08 PM

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I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:09 PM

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Zalis said:
People keep using that word "slave," but I don't think it means what they think it means. Did someone kidnap them from their homes and force them to draw? Are animators chained to their desks? Are they whipped, beaten, or raped on their masters' whims? Are they chased through the swamps by bloodhounds if they want to quit their jobs and work somewhere else?

Yes, some have predicted a coming "slave revolt", but what kind of industry do animators have a better chance of winning wage concessions from: a profitable one, or one that's barely surviving?


first, it should be noted that Japan is a workaholic culture. people are expected to work overtime with ot without pay, and you don't simply walk up to your boss and ask for a raise. higher ups have a lot more authority to their subordinates in Japan compared to the west. there's a saying that goes "don't be the nail that sticks out", and that's true in the work enviroment as well. it's also worth noting that people in Japan would rather keep things harmonious. some people call Japanese as the "save face" culture because of it. this is Japan, we can't expect them to behave like the west and start a mass rebellion. they have a different culture - they are not the west.

some would say "heh, sucks to be them. they could just find a job elsewhere lel", but they ignore the fact that these animators may have already tried that, but were unable to find a better job due to their age or lack in training / education. this is not to say that there aren't animators that genuinely love what they do, but it's erroneous to believe that every animators work in the industry because they love their work. some do it because they got sucked in when they were younger, and they have no options left other than keep working as an animators with low pay.

edit: and if there was a rebellion and people quit their job as animators, the anime companies would simply hire new people with bait...i mean promise of a fulfilling career. or hire animators overseas with low pay - and they already outsource some of the work to S Korea (and probably China as well)
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Oct 15, 2017 4:14 PM
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you just went full comic sans,never go full comic sans.
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You're being conpletely stupid on this matter. He provided lots of examples while you just circled around a single silly argument, rules are bad. If you think s rule is bad, the proper way to act is trying to change the rule, not ignoring it. You might have to pay for it someday. In socialist countries like Germany, Denmark,... piracy is prosecuted and the fines are hefty.
>Accuses me of being "conpletely" stupid and not providing any arguments
>Thinks Germany and Denmark are socialist

Edit: or wait, were you talking to kuudere? Nevermind then


You can't be that dumb... Seriously... If Germany ain't socialist then what the hell is? Your reply itself is an argument for your stupidity. In the first comment I also remarked your tendency to circle around one idea, which you keep doing. Educate yourself before trying to get into an argument.
 
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Pirating anime is fine as long as people admit that it's morally wrong. I do it, and I admit I'm a cunt. Just like how I know that eating meat makes me a scumbag. I don't really care.

Now, the people who try to morally justify their piracy through whatever reason, including bringing capitalism vs communism into this, are fucking losers. Stop. You're giving me cancer.
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:16 PM

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I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!


I don't understand why people pay for garbage when there's a free option.
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:20 PM

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I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!


I don't understand why people pay for garbage when there's a free option.

Yeah I also sometimes wonder why we follow laws, it's truly a mystery.
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:21 PM

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Their attempts to make me feel bad about pirating are never going to work. Especially when they try to take the moral high-ground, and treat you like scum in the process.


They will never make me feel bad because legal streaming is not worth paying for(it's utter shit) and everybody that does a bit of research knows that as long as merch is selling(which it is with Americas vast anime conventions) nobody is going to give a fuck about streaming services and i do have anime merch in my room.

So she can SMD only.
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You can't be that dumb... Seriously... If Germany ain't socialist then what the hell is?
Germany is governed by Angela Merkel who is the chairperson of the CDU, a centre right party. The other contemporary party is the SPD which is a social democratic party. East Germany used to be Communist but it merged with West Germany in 1990. Where is this socialism you keep on talking about?
Your reply itself is an argument for your stupidity. In the first comment I also remarked your tendency to circle around one idea, which you keep doing. Educate yourself before trying to get into an argument.
"Educate yourself"? I am from and live in Scandinavia FFS. Don't come here and try to educate me on the political system in my country when you're just some random American who doesn't even know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Anyway, this is off topic. Stay on topic or GFTO
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Oct 15, 2017 4:24 PM
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PolarCyrus97 said:
I'l keep pirating my animu's and mangoose thank you very much. I have like 10 bootleg sites on my bookmarks. I live on a island with roughly 150k peeps, no crunchyroll serive, no anime strike service, no HiDiVe service....we have Netflix service tho :D


No excuse. Get out of the island or entertain yourself with something else. I'd also like to drive an Aston Martin but I can't. I'm not gonna go steal one just cause I want one.
 
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Their attempts to make me feel bad about pirating are never going to work. Especially when they try to take the moral high-ground, and treat you like scum in the process.


They will never make me feel bad because legal streaming is not worth paying for(it's utter shit) and everybody that does a bit of research knows that as long as merch is selling(which it is with Americas vast anime conventions) nobody is going to give a fuck about streaming services and i do have anime merch in my room.

So she can SMD only.
Caitlin Glass having the moral high ground and you feeling bad about it are not mutually exclusive. You can accept that what you're doing is fucked up but still not care. We do those kinds of things often.
 
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I don't understand why people pay for garbage when there's a free option.

Yeah I also sometimes wonder why we follow laws, it's truly a mystery.


Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.
 
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sometimes it's the people running the anime companies themselves that hurt those working in the industry
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Comic_Sans said:
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You can't be that dumb... Seriously... If Germany ain't socialist then what the hell is?
Germany is governed by Angela Merkel who is the chairperson of the CDU, a centre right party. The other contemporary party is the SPD which is a social democratic party. East Germany used to be Communist but it merged with West Germany in 1990. Where is this socialism you keep on talking about?
Your reply itself is an argument for your stupidity. In the first comment I also remarked your tendency to circle around one idea, which you keep doing. Educate yourself before trying to get into an argument.
"Educate yourself"? I am from and live in Scandinavia FFS. Don't come here and try to educate me on the political system in my country when you're just some random American who doesn't even know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

Anyway, this is off topic. Stay on topic or GFTO


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They will never make me feel bad because legal streaming is not worth paying for(it's utter shit) and everybody that does a bit of research knows that as long as merch is selling(which it is with Americas vast anime conventions) nobody is going to give a fuck about streaming services and i do have anime merch in my room.

So she can SMD only.
Caitlin Glass having the moral high ground and you feeling bad about it are not mutually exclusive. You can accept that what you're doing is fucked up but still not care. We do those kinds of things often.


She can have the moral high ground all she wants if her logic is shit(Which it is and it is also the reason people get annoyed when somebody decides to think they're in the right with shit logic and push it down your throat), her words will never touch my feelings nor will i ever feel fucked up for fucking streaming anime lmao. I wouldn't even use the term "fucked up" for streaming anime, too harsh more like, "bad", yeah that feels about right. Making an argument from authority automatically makes anything you say invalid.

Sorry me looking at my financial standing and deciding not to spend 120e+ on 5 episodes of anime doesn't seem that profitable to me really.

I view it , "well i can't watch anime in any profitable way okay i'll buy something aesthetically pleasing for my room but use the services" and trust me i don't have any moral qualms or dilemas with my decision.
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Damn, you K.O..'d people goddamn...
That's what I'm here for. MAL would be done for had it not been for my existence
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Kittens-kun said:
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Yeah I also sometimes wonder why we follow laws, it's truly a mystery.


Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.

Well if they don't give any fucks why would they bother licensing the hundreds of shows into western countries in the first place? They were bored and did it for fun?
 
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Licensed or not, i ain't giving my hard-earned money to those legal streaming sites that offer so little, especially in my country...
 
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She can have the moral high ground all she wants if her logic is shit(Which it is and it is also the reason people get annoyed when somebody decides to think they're in the right with shit logic and push it down your throat), her words will never touch my feelings nor will i ever feel fucked up for fucking streaming anime lmao. I wouldn't even use the term "fucked up" for streaming anime, too harsh more like, "bad", yeah that feels about right. Making an argument from authority automatically makes anything you say invalid.

Sorry me looking at my financial standing and deciding not to spend 120e+ on 5 episodes of anime doesn't seem that profitable to me really.
How is her point wrong though? Somebody makes a product, and you're able to enjoy it without paying them. That's against the law, and therefore she's correct in this scenario.

My point is that you don't have to feel like she has something over you because of this. I pirate, and I don't care how much she pouts about it. I just don't have the money to spend on all this anime. Do I still accept that she has a right to be mad? Yes. Her livelihood is directly affected by this shit (I don't think she gets paid well either). I still don't care though.
 
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DancingTheBa said:
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Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.

Well if they don't give any fucks why would they bother licensing the hundreds of shows into western countries in the first place? They were bored and did it for fun?


Probably because they have over a million brain washed, morality soldiers paying for a subscription that is only really lining their own pockets.
 
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You can't be that dumb... Seriously... If Germany ain't socialist then what the hell is?
Germany is governed by Angela Merkel who is the chairperson of the CDU, a centre right party. The other contemporary party is the SPD which is a social democratic party. East Germany used to be Communist but it merged with West Germany in 1990. Where is this socialism you keep on talking about?
Your reply itself is an argument for your stupidity. In the first comment I also remarked your tendency to circle around one idea, which you keep doing. Educate yourself before trying to get into an argument.
"Educate yourself"? I am from and live in Scandinavia FFS. Don't come here and try to educate me on the political system in my country when you're just some random American who doesn't even know the difference between socialism and social democracy.


You can't be serious. Social democracy is a type of socialism you numbnuts... Health care, social pays, taxes,... Be it right sided or left sided, it's socialism. Everything in Germany's social and economical structure is socialism. And an intense one, not like the british ones. But of course, you might have read two sentences in the wiki and made some dumb relation socialism=comunism or some shit of sorts.

And wtf, Scandinavia?? Are you kiddin me? Please tell me you don't think that's a country... I can't believe I lost my time with a guy who says he's from a continental region comprising more than one country... I'm not gonna guess which one like you did with me, altough I'm inclined to think you just lied trying to justify yourself.
 
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DancingTheBa said:
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Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.

Well if they don't give any fucks why would they bother licensing the hundreds of shows into western countries in the first place? They were bored and did it for fun?


There were only 4 anime ever made that have had their money source situated outside Japan. It's the Western companies that come with the demand and i don't think more money will ever be a problem for Japan. Thing is if they never had a demand from Western or any other countries nothing would change and anime would still be made anyways, the thing that proves they don't give a fuck is that they make anime that caters to the Japanese audience only, try again.
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DancingTheBa said:
I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!


So I guess those 706 anime you have on your list are going to all come from LEGAL sites and Blu-Rays right? Because you know, laws right?
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You can't be serious. Social democracy is a type of socialism you numbnuts... Health care, social pays, taxes,... Be it right sided or left sided, it's socialism. Everything in Germany's social and economical structure is socialism. And an intense one, not like the british ones. But of course, you might have read two sentences in the wiki and made some dumb relation socialism=comunism or some shit of sorts.
Social democracy is a political ideology that strives to promote social and economic progressivism within the framework of a regulated capitalist economy. Once again, pure socialism WHERE?
And wtf, Scandinavia?? Are you kiddin me? Please tell me you don't think that's a country... I can't believe I lost my time with a guy who says he's from a continental region comprising more than one country... I'm not gonna guess which one like you did with me, altough I'm inclined to think you just lied trying to justify yourself.
No, I didn't say it was a country, I said I was from Scandinavia because it's a region that Americans like to paint as socialist but I also said "in my country" because you didn't mention it specifically (I'm not from Denmark).

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Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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@Comic_Sans I hate to insult you on forums but you are just a troll so just go kill yourself already bitch
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:51 PM

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She can have the moral high ground all she wants if her logic is shit(Which it is and it is also the reason people get annoyed when somebody decides to think they're in the right with shit logic and push it down your throat), her words will never touch my feelings nor will i ever feel fucked up for fucking streaming anime lmao. I wouldn't even use the term "fucked up" for streaming anime, too harsh more like, "bad", yeah that feels about right. Making an argument from authority automatically makes anything you say invalid.

Sorry me looking at my financial standing and deciding not to spend 120e+ on 5 episodes of anime doesn't seem that profitable to me really.
How is her point wrong though? Somebody makes a product, and you're able to enjoy it without paying them. That's against the law, and therefore she's correct in this scenario.

My point is that you don't have to feel like she has something over you because of this. I pirate, and I don't care how much she pouts about it. I just don't have the money to spend on all this anime. Do I still accept that she has a right to be mad? Yes. Her livelihood is directly affected by this shit (I don't think she gets paid well either). I still don't care though.


No, there are many factors that would influence her paycheck and streaming anime is probably gonna be somewhere near the bottom of the list and many more factors influencing her livelihood, she can't blame it all on piracy nor would it be a proper thing to base it on.
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The beauty of humans is that they say one thing then do another, but at the same time that can also be their ugliest side.
 
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Well if they don't give any fucks why would they bother licensing the hundreds of shows into western countries in the first place? They were bored and did it for fun?


Probably because they have over a million brain washed, morality soldiers paying for a subscription that is only really lining their own pockets.


Then they do care... Stealing and laughing at the ones that don't... What a great person you must be.
 
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I'm at the point where, if you're going to pirate anime, just do it. Don't try to justify it. Just own up to the decision you've made.

No sense pretending we're in the right when we're not.

This is exactly what I was going to post. If you're pirating I don't care but don't try insulting the industry to make yourself look good, cos it looks incredibly dumb. Just shut up and do what you're gonna do. All that when by the looks of it she's a pretty decent VA as well.
 
Oct 15, 2017 4:53 PM

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I guess I won't eat this month so I can pay for some anime. What's a little fasting, huh?
 
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better because they have more shows? comparing the anime catalogue in sites that steal content from other sites to legal sites makes no sense whatsoever.


Sorry to butt in, but not just in terms of quantity. Crunchyroll is still using an outdated Flash Player.

yeah i know that. somehow their videos look better than the videos on kiss anime tho.



Kittens-kun said:
Cyborg_Icarus29 said:

better because they have more shows? comparing the anime catalogue in sites that steal content from other sites to legal sites makes no sense whatsoever.


It doesn't matter how they're better. They ARE better. Bottom line.

WOW what an amazing argument. by that logic every single torrent site on the internet is better than legal services like netflix and amazon because they offer more stolen stuff.



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I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!


I don't understand why people pay for garbage when there's a free option.

because that's how people support companies ya know? i personally don't pay because most streaming services aren't available in my country but i would gladly pay for amazon and netlfix if they offer all their stuff. why would i pay for these sites? because their service and video quality is better than any public torrent site and because i want to support the people who made awesome series like jessica jones,stranger things, american gods and daredevil.

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Yeah I also sometimes wonder why we follow laws, it's truly a mystery.


Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.

it goes to the creators actually. streaming sites pay licensing fees to the creators. more licensed shows = more money to the creators.
come on now man, streaming sites are flawed but claiming that they don't pay the creators is fucking stupid.
 
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No, there are many factors that would influence her paycheck and streaming anime is probably gonna be somewhere near the bottom of the list and many more factors influencing her livelihood, she can't blame it all on piracy nor would it be a proper thing to base it on.

I'm telling you right now as long as merch is selling(which it is) her situation should see next to no change.
Are you referring to merch from Funimation/Sentai/etc? These companies are the ones that are paying her, no?

My assumption was that her frustration came from Funimation/Viz/Sentai staying afloat so they could pay her in the first place. Her general pay would never change, but being out of work could be a very real possibility should these businesses decide that anime localization is no longer profitable.
 
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Probably because they have over a million brain washed, morality soldiers paying for a subscription that is only really lining their own pockets.


Then they do care... Stealing and laughing at the ones that don't... What a great person you must be.


Paying for the inferior option, and shaming those who don't. Looks like you aren't much better.
 
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When it comes down to it, no one knows my situation (or anyone else's for that matter) so they can Judgy McJudgey from Judgeton all they want to. Unless those judgy people are willing to pay my bills so I can use that bill money to pay for anime, then they need to sit their asses down and shut the hell up.

Anime is a privilage, and it's my privilage, as a person who pays 80 dollars a month for internet, to have access to the internet. Including site like KA and 9Anime.


My saying is "Only God can Judge Me". Not voice actors, not people on here, not the woman down the streat or her dog. Only God. And yeah, thall shall not steal and I might go to hell but that's between me and my God.
 
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Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said:


Sorry to butt in, but not just in terms of quantity. Crunchyroll is still using an outdated Flash Player.

yeah i know that. somehow their videos look better than the videos on kiss anime tho.



Kittens-kun said:


It doesn't matter how they're better. They ARE better. Bottom line.

WOW what an amazing argument. by that logic every single torrent site on the internet is better than legal services like netflix and amazon because they offer more stolen stuff.



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I don't understand why people pay for garbage when there's a free option.

because that's how people support companies ya know? i personally don't pay because most streaming services aren't available in my country but i would gladly pay for amazon and netlfix if they offer all their stuff. why would i pay for these sites? because their service and video quality is better than any public torrent site and because i want to support the people who made awesome series like jessica jones,stranger things, american gods and daredevil.

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Not like it's important for us to follow this law anyway. Japan doesn't give a fuck how much they make from the West. Japanese consumers are all they care about. It's not like any of your money is going to the creators to begin with. Legal sites are completely worthless.

it goes to the creators actually. streaming sites pay licensing fees to the creators. more licensed shows = more money to the creators.
come on now man, streaming sites are flawed but claiming that they don't pay the creators is fucking stupid.


They pay the production committees, not the actual studios. Japanese fans support the industry. Not us.
 
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Ari_the_Lioness said:
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I don't understand people who try and defend pirating anime. It doesn't matter if your favorite cartoon isn't available in your country that doesn't mean watching it by illegal means is right, you're still an arsehole. I personally think that the fact that it's illegal is enough to shut down most if not all arguments for pirating but that may just be me. It's not like laws are there for a reason yknow, fuck the law!


So I guess those 706 anime you have on your list are going to all come from LEGAL sites and Blu-Rays right? Because you know, laws right?

Nope they're not. Uhh... Yep........... Smiley face =3
 
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Kittens-kun said:
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yeah i know that. somehow their videos look better than the videos on kiss anime tho.




WOW what an amazing argument. by that logic every single torrent site on the internet is better than legal services like netflix and amazon because they offer more stolen stuff.




because that's how people support companies ya know? i personally don't pay because most streaming services aren't available in my country but i would gladly pay for amazon and netlfix if they offer all their stuff. why would i pay for these sites? because their service and video quality is better than any public torrent site and because i want to support the people who made awesome series like jessica jones,stranger things, american gods and daredevil.


it goes to the creators actually. streaming sites pay licensing fees to the creators. more licensed shows = more money to the creators.
come on now man, streaming sites are flawed but claiming that they don't pay the creators is fucking stupid.


They pay the production committees, not the actual studios. Japanese fans support the industry. Not us.

so paying the production committees is not a legit way to support the industry? are you freaking serious now?.
the money from the japanese fans goes to the production committees too ya know.
 
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Kittens-kun said:
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Then they do care... Stealing and laughing at the ones that don't... What a great person you must be.


Paying for the inferior option, and shaming those who don't. Looks like you aren't much better.

It's not the 'inferior option' it's the only option. Pirating isn't an option. It's arguably the better option, compared to buying the discs.
 
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It's not the 'inferior option' it's the only option. Pirating isn't an option. It's arguably the better option, compared to buying the discs.


Well, if he's doing it, it's clearly an option. And pretending that it isn't, won't really help the industry in any way.

You can't shame people out of this one, they will have to see some value on your proposal. Look at Steam and what it did for the gaming industry.
1 hour = 10,000 yen.
2 hours = 20,000 yen.
3 hours = 3 loaves of French bread.
4 hours = 4 loaves of French bread.
 
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Cyborg_Icarus29 said:
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They pay the production committees, not the actual studios. Japanese fans support the industry. Not us.

so paying the production committees is not a legit way to support the industry? are you freaking serious now?.
the money from the japanese fans goes to the production committees too ya know.


Is there a guarantee that those committees will actually pay the staff of the studio? No, because we can see that they don't. The staff make shit wages. This has been known for awhile. And is Western revenue changing that situation? Nope. In fact, it's getting worse.

Plus, the Japanese fans generate more money at a base level. One otaku buying hundreds of Blu-rays, figures, and other shit obviously means more than a 7$ subscription.
 
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Lanz said:
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Paying for the inferior option, and shaming those who don't. Looks like you aren't much better.

It's not the 'inferior option' it's the only option. Pirating isn't an option. It's arguably the better option, compared to buying the discs.


How is pirating not an option? It's always a option.
 
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Buying the dvd/bluray you never have to worry about quality of the video player. I like being able to watch something like Sora no Otoshimono on bluray. Nothing online can compare. I stream anime online too but if I really enjoy the show I try and buy the box set. Most of the times they don't cost too much either. I got the box set of most of my favorite anime for no more than $35. I remember watching Nichijou waiting for it to be on bluray but Bandai cancelled the American release because people don't buy anime that much, luckly funimation picked it up 6 years later so I can watch Nichijou whenever in the highest quality possible
 
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