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Sep 30, 2017 4:05 AM

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That was very dark and brutal manga. For some reason i thought there was something about her brother and Ayana in the beginning, mb that was another manga (mahou shoujo site probably) and it was quite a long time ago. Surprisignly a lot more people survived, don't know if it's a good or bad thing for this manga. The ending is like the open-like ones, the violence continues. For this reason Ren didn't kill him so that would change nothing, but if thinking like that the opposite action wouldn't change anything and he was clearly the cause for all the happened. Ayana and Miho moments were only the good things in this manga, pretty sad story for Miho and that she knew all that was happening.

Sep 30, 2017 7:25 AM

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I'm glad it finally ended and I'm really disappointed Ayana didn't die at the end, but oh well. What can I say... I really didn't like it, it would be better if only every one of the characters wasn't such an edgy psycho with shallow personality.

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Sep 30, 2017 8:01 AM

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I wanted to see Ayana's dad die or at least suffer, very disappointed. Also still don't get the whole thing with Ren going from being the cunt who had her gang raped to being her knight in shining armour.

Sep 30, 2017 8:28 PM

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I was really disappointed with how the whole thing ended. Not because it leaves so much open, rather I think that's the point. The series ends with little news blurbs about copycat assaults and it feels like the final message of the series is really pessimistic. All of that is fine.

I just hated how all this weird stuff came out of nowhere. We knew Miho was smart but she starts going off about how she knew -everything- the trio had done to Ayana. Not to mention her brother who pulls this Ozymandias schtick and steals the show.

Sangaz said:
I wanted to see Ayana's dad die or at least suffer, very disappointed. Also still don't get the whole thing with Ren going from being the cunt who had her gang raped to being her knight in shining armour.

Ren wasn't responsible for her being gang raped was he? If I remember right he even told the one guy not to do that to Ayana (The guy who was put in the spiked pit). In the flashbacks we see that Ren's a delinquent and we know he's sadistic, but Ayana was nice to him. I'm sure to the antisocial Ren it only made sense that he should be the only one to torment Ayana. As he lays there bleeding it's implied that he's been in love with Ayana this whole time, and I definitely wouldn't expect someone like Ren to express that in a healthy way.

Oct 1, 2017 1:38 AM

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Sangaz said:
I wanted to see Ayana's dad die or at least suffer, very disappointed.

Yeah, no kidding, the latest chapters have all been about Mari getting revenge on Ayana's dad. Ironically, Mari was actually doing Ayana's dad a favor by getting rid of an "unwanted daughter." Anyway, I did think that Ayana's parents deserved to die. They were very lousy parents. I hope Ayana's father is put in a bad position, to even say to the police "I have no daughter."

The last pages, about the "random" news, had disappointed me, somewhat; there was some other news I wanted to hear. I at least wanted to hear about the parents of the Student President (Yuuko Takishima), one would wonder what happens to "control freak parents" when their child hates them so much that suicide occurs; I can imagine that maybe Yuuko left a note with details about her hatred towards her parents. Not sure how Japan's laws work, since control freak parents may not be arrested for child neglect/abuse, but it would be nice to hear some media coverage about such idiot parents; such parents really deserve some level of derision, from society, considering how their parenting caused their girl to commit suicide in chapter 6. At the least, I doubt that those parents can sue the club people, I think, if they were put in a bad position.

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Oct 1, 2017 11:31 AM

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this ending seriously dissapoint me, it doesnt make any sense. not because it was complex but because its so fcking stupid it make no sense at all.
so the ringleader this whole time is yuuya? and he did all that shit just because he was bored? half assed.
ren becoming knight in shining armor after gang raping ayana with his buddy? what the flying fck man.

Wornstone said:

Ren wasn't responsible for her being gang raped was he? If I remember right he even told the one guy not to do that to Ayana (The guy who was put in the spiked pit). In the flashbacks we see that Ren's a delinquent and we know he's sadistic, but Ayana was nice to him. I'm sure to the antisocial Ren it only made sense that he should be the only one to torment Ayana. As he lays there bleeding it's implied that he's been in love with Ayana this whole time, and I definitely wouldn't expect someone like Ren to express that in a healthy way.

no he did rape ayana with his friends, his warning towards one of his buddy(forgot his name one that getting traped in the spike)is pretty much: "this is my toy you touch it without my consent=you die"
and ayana confirmed it multiple times and even ren himself admit it
in this page.
and besides if he wanted to he can prevent the bullying in the first place seeing other student was afraid of him and all that,he can warn others if they fuck with ayana(no pun intended) he will kick their sorry assess or atleast in someway protect ayana, but he dont he instead bullied ayana like the rest of the bully. except towards the climax of this manga which is why i said doesnt make any sense.
so many contradiction, too many plot hole.
overall dissapointed.

gamersOct 1, 2017 11:38 AM

Oct 2, 2017 4:09 AM

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gamers said:

ren becoming knight in shining armor after gang raping ayana with his buddy? what the flying fck man.

^This. I read this series in one-sitting and this part doesn't make sense feels like everything is so stupid. All I can conclude is everyone in the class is insane.

Oct 2, 2017 9:22 AM

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What the hell just happened!?
Why did Ren became a good guy? What about Miho? I thought that Miho was the one pulling all the strings, This is hella confusing.

OMG. That plot twist about Yuuya. I wasn't expecting that at all. But yeah, this is confusing and somehow rushed.

Oct 4, 2017 3:52 AM

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It starts off great... then it went kind of downhill of unnecessary massacring. Plenty of its plot lines doesn't make sense, or even the final villain reveal. Heck it doesn't really solve anything. It becomes more of a "now what?" ending than a conclusive satisfying one.

Also Ren is the good guy? Yeah cool, rapists are cool guys after all. Then I thought the spiky haired boy gonna play more role, but instead got sidetracked so much. I think Spiky haired boy could replace Ren's role and be perfectly suitable because he's in love with Ayana + did nothing wrong to her.

Oct 21, 2017 9:06 AM

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Yeah, the ending is kinda disappointing.

If Ayana helped Ren back in the infirmary and thought she saved him, then why the heck did he rape her with his gang? His character suddenly went from being a scum to being a hidden, good guy.

Furthermore, Ayana was being abducted in front of her house and raped afterwards again and again by strangers without her parents even getting suspicious about it... it doesn't make sense at all. And don't even reason out that they came whenever she's alone, Ayana was freaking wearing her uniform, enough said. If even Miho find about it and remember all of it, then how come the freaking parents don't know anything when it's happening in front of the freaking house?

Ren probably wouldn't sell out Yuuya to he police anyway which is just disappointing. The mastermind is alive...and the reason he did it was because he's bored...

Damn this ending. I feel half-satisfied.

Nov 1, 2017 11:26 AM

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Man that got brutal fast and the ending wasn't very .... fulfilling.

It was better when it was about the revenges without the killing. Just clever tricks and making the idiots turn on each other.

Making Ren some kind of good guy was weird. So he raped her and let all this shit happen when he probably could have stopped it.

While Ryou was this good guy that loved her, but never did anything to help. Sure he got tricked but even after learning all he did was wander after Ren. He didn't go after the bullys or even try to help her.

Just what was the deal with Miho? She seemed good and wanted to help but other than rat out some of them what did she do? How did she even die? She just didn't get medicine for her illness?

Honestly Shouta and Ai were sympathetic. I felt pretty bad for Shouta. The guy just wanted to help his sisters and had already lost his parents. He was a petty thief but didn't deserve what happened. Ayana was so twisted she just broke Ai and Shouta. He snapped with that chainsaw and that whole thing made the story worse. Then just leaving him there....

Then the whole thing was just manipulated by Yuuya? Well they did look similar but man that feels kinda like a cop out. Nothing happens to him nor the other person that actually deserved revenge he and Ayana's father.

It feels like it could have been better if it slowed down the story. Explained things more and didn't go into full on murder until the end. They tried to force every bad thing.

The other unsatisfying thing was the douchebag adults seemingly got nothing. Not just the evil Fujisawa father but Yuuko's crazy controlling parents. Of course the teachers that still insist no bullying occurred.

I guess it was an interesting read but could have been way better.

Nov 15, 2017 7:22 AM

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Just to clarify, how many chapters does this have? From what I read it was the following break up:
Vol 1: 5 chapters
Vol 2: 3 chapters
Vol 3: 3 chapters
Vol 4: 2 chapters
Vol 5: 2 chapters
Vol 6: 1 chapter
Vol 7: 1 chapter
Total : 17 chapters

Does the English release/fan-translation have a different split up or something?

Nov 20, 2017 1:54 AM

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bro holy shit this was the craziest two years - started this back in 2015 but i put it on hold after the translators stopped w/ the releases and picked it back up yesterday from the very beginning and wOw

i don't really remember it being this fucked up - at least, i didn't remember ayana being raped

in the end, i am glad she made it through alive (albeit, knocked out for who knows how long), she went through enough

i do pity mari, even though she did terrible things. her father's death made her depressed, and after the gang rape and suicide attempts she just spiraled. i was deadass gasping with my hand over my mouth when she thought yuuya was her father w/ the flowers

on another note: THAT YUUYA REVEAL

the entire time, i thought ren and miho were her siblings but now it's so obvious: he and ayana literally look exactly the same

that plot twist and his admittance to being the mastermind had me fucked up, the ending feels a little rushed and opened so i gave it 8/10 rather than 9 but overall great, i loved it

Nov 20, 2017 1:58 AM

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this, my two major problems w/ the story

ren gang rapes her and then all of a sudden they're friends

also, i wanted her dad to get thrown out a window, really - dude deserved it

Feb 9, 2018 5:46 PM

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I just wish like everyone else, that the author had explained the change in Ren and why he hurt Ayana if he cared for. (Since the story implies that Ren did care about Ayana.) Not to mention I was hoping that after Yuuya told Ren why he did what he did, that Ren was going to kill him. Since he was the one who caused the whole "chain" thing.

(I wasn't thrilled with the ending,) but I still enjoyed the manga nonetheless.

NerdGalFeb 9, 2018 5:50 PM

Feb 21, 2018 10:47 PM

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Lunoire said:

this, my two major problems w/ the story

ren gang rapes her and then all of a sudden they're friends

also, i wanted her dad to get thrown out a window, really - dude deserved it

I think Ren was in love with her since she helped him but cuz of that think between Mari and Ayana he thought she was a slut (Pictures, Blog..) . I'm not trying to justifique what he did becausee that was beyond worse.. Ren is a freaking sadistic pyschopath too, if you know what I mean.

I wish for a season 2 when she wakes up and kills Yuuya, pays for her crimes and somehow live a life with some pyscho as a lover. Pyschopaths Couples, have never seen one so yeah !

Apr 22, 2018 10:10 AM

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WHAT A WASTE OF MY FUCKING TIME. Honestly, why tf is Ren the 'good guy' now? Oh so just because he "luuuurved" her that gives him the right to bully and fucking rape her?! I purposefully read this because I wanted something different from shoujo, but this was even worse. This is just like Boy Over Flowers where MC forgives love interest for attempting to rape her. God I'm disgusted more by this because the writer is making it seem right. For this whole manga we knew that everything that happened was immoral and deserving of punishment but the double standard towards Ren disgusts me.

Nov 21, 2018 7:42 AM

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This story was very interesting to me that I finished it in one sitting.
I like Ayana because she is the crazy MC who was despaired and broken unlike those powerful,arrogant evil MC. She still could feel love when her friends tried to help her and was remorseful when they died. I thought she was going to die when Shouta broke out of the basement and tried to kill her at the end of the manga. I was glad she didn't die.
The revealing story of Yuuya in the last manga was more confusing than surprising.
Yuuya targetted Mari in the first place and Yuuko (one who studied much and whose strict parents made her suicide) and tried to get Ayana's photos online, and manipulated Ayana into helping Ren. It is as if the quiet, seemingly shy guy orchestrated the whole life events of Ayana. Some events don't seem to fit in the place well. It would be much better if the plot ended with Ayana being saved by Ryou from Shouta. The story of Yuuya should just be cut out.
Ren, the bully was clearly an ass to Ayana. He was just like one of them. The change in character from a wank who get her gangraped and then suddenly became a good guy was a bit weird. He viewed her just as a toy. That's why he didn't tried to help her and just watched when she was abused by her friends. Still I am a bit glad he sided with the MC at last but he definitely ain't the good guy.
The character who was the most intriguing was Miho. I know she was mysterious but I never thought of her being the real ally of Ayana. I had guessed Miho knew everything about what's going on but I thought her as the last boss of this manga. But it turned out to be the opposite. I was surprised she was already dead before Ayana could save her. Da hell? How did she even die? The last words she said she felt nothing and was free of everything were kinda sad.

The plot was amazing even though it was lacking in consistency but I like this story very much. I like the characters, too. The ending with Yuuya's story was disappointing but since I considered Ayana finishing Mari and surviving the story as the ending, I am satisfied as much.

WindbringerNov 21, 2018 7:10 PM

Dec 18, 2018 2:25 PM

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I’m a little disappointed that Ayana remained alive and her dad didn’t get a punishment.. the story is very open ended but I don’t even think it’s that that doesn’t have me satisfied with the story.

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Feb 12, 2019 6:30 PM

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Since when did Ren become the good guy? And Yuuya is the big bad all along?

The ending is a little disappointing. I would like this more if everyone got what they deserved and Ayana’s fate was made clear.

Maou_heika said:
Just to clarify, how many chapters does this have? From what I read it was the following break up:
Vol 1: 5 chapters
Vol 2: 3 chapters
Vol 3: 3 chapters
Vol 4: 2 chapters
Vol 5: 2 chapters
Vol 6: 1 chapter
Vol 7: 1 chapter
Total : 17 chapters

Does the English release/fan-translation have a different split up or something?

I think it was 25 chapters in total.

LeonhartAugustFeb 12, 2019 6:37 PM

Jul 24, 2019 12:49 PM

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You have to admit that daisuke's end was super satisfying tho, but yeah don't know why Ren gets such a nice ending. Like they played his role off as like a twisted love kind of scenario when he's actually the biggest scumbag. Why did Ayana actively plot daisuke's and the other guys punishment but when she saw Ren dying, she wanted to save him?? If I was her I would have stuck a branch in the stab wound and drove that sucker in XD. I feel sorry for that guy with the little sisters, he really didn't deserve what he got but I think the progression of his character's downward spiral was actually done really well. I still don't fully understand Yuuyas motives behind everything...the reasoning felt a bit weak,so it leaves a feeling of something unfinished... would have preferred it if Ayana was the only magnificent bastard in the story you know?

Nov 4, 2019 9:11 PM

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A part of me doesn't understand why Ayana's father even bother with his current marriage. So the woman Ayana's father truly love, Saya Fujisawa, is the reason on why he is so cold to his daughter and wife, and his current wife is a lousy mother. IF he resented his current marriage so much then he should have just married Saya from the start; I read Cousins, in Japan, can get married. The dad just lacked a spine if he ended up agreeing to a marriage that ended up dysfunctional.

Dec 3, 2019 8:46 PM

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What a train wreck this was. So many questionable things as everyone has pointed out. Reading through it I was just constantly thinking this has just turned into violence porn or something, where the violence scale went up immediately once one of the victims ended up brutally punctured with nails.

Mar 22, 2020 10:31 AM

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I know i'm late in this discussion but I just had some thoughts on my mind regarding this manga ><.

Ayana's father is really a scumbag for all I know. He basically screwed up everybody's life, which subsequently caused the suffering for his daughter (obviously he wasn't aware and didn't care at all).

Because he was in love with Saya Yamase (let's not forget the fact that it's his cousin ffs), and had a child named Yuuya, which followed by Saya commiting suicide (Yuuya's mom), leading to Yuuya channeling all his hate onto Ayana.

If his father hadn't done what he had done, Mari wouldn't have hated Ayana so much because of his father's suffering.

Also, I know Ren suddenly turning out to be a "nice" guy at the end may be "shocking" but seriously? He ordered his guys to r*pe and b*lly Ayana, while claiming that he is fond of her??????

Boy, that's not how you show your love mannn...
I mean..., at this point, everybody has gone mad, logic and human morals just doesn't exist anymore :'')

Mar 27, 2020 8:52 PM

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*binge reads*

Unsatifactory ending; so many unanswered questions.

One thing I found most amusing: they established Mari as the main antagonist and Yuuya as the real mastermind.

But looking back, one of the reasons why the bullying escalated and why Ayana went on a rampage: her friendship(and subsequently, support) with Yuuko crumbled.
Why did it crumble? Because Yuuko was stressed out with her own work and lashed out at Ayana.
Why the lash out? Because Ayana was trying to consult Yuuko on something. What is this something? Emi and Miho were ignoring her. There were no flashback, nor justification as to why it happened in the first place.

So, we can surmised that one of the main cause of the ENTIRE manga can be traced back to Emi(and Miho, but she had some development) and she was forgiven so freaking easily.

Dec 21, 2020 3:06 AM

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So many plotholes

So what was all the foreshadowing in chapter 4? https://mangadex.org/chapter/35935/32
-Why did Yuuko call Ayana a traitor in the flashback?
-Why did Miho have this ominous smirk when Ayana said they were friends?
-Who was Emi talking to she said "You're the one behind this Ayana bullying mess..."? If she knew who it was, why didn't she help or how does she even know Yuuya's double personality?

If Ren liked Ayana
-Why did he bully her and have his two friends rape her?
-Why did he force her to kiss glasses-kun and reject Ryou?
-When he was about to die, why did he talk like daisuke and ochi were good people? They're fucking rapists.

If Miho knew all this shit from before, why didn't she do anything about it? Still doesn't explain why she and Ren were conspiring together.
-Why did she say she herself was worse than shit?

The whole scene where Ren saves Ayana then Miho gets kidnapped was unnecessary and made no sense. He should've just beat up the two girls and exposed their plan to Ayana right there.

Mari's whole act made no sense and was pointless.

The only good person in this is Ryo and I can't believe the author redeemed that piece of trash Ren. He should've died.

The father should have also died.

mechianDec 21, 2020 3:20 AM

Sep 4, 2021 4:23 PM

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My goodness it so fricking horrible. It's honestly feels almost as if one author was in charge for the first half and somebody other took over the second half - why is Ren is a fricking good guy suddenly? Like wtf??? Dude literally was responsible for gang rape. It's not even about turning black character into white one - they literally just throw off the part he's responsible for bully almost as if it didn't happen and next portray him as a positive character that sacrifices himself. Main villain is very unexpected yeah but.... so what? His action literally make no sense, i couldn't care less about him. Miho just choosed to do nothing.
I'm really disappointed - manga starts really well but it seems like author tried to make some really cool plot twists without caring enought to make any development and fails. Appalling, just appalling.

Feb 9, 2023 11:28 AM

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Miyuuz said:
I know i'm late in this discussion but I just had some thoughts on my mind regarding this manga ><.

Ayana's father is really a scumbag for all I know. He basically screwed up everybody's life, which subsequently caused the suffering for his daughter (obviously he wasn't aware and didn't care at all).

Because he was in love with Saya Yamase (let's not forget the fact that it's his cousin ffs), and had a child named Yuuya, which followed by Saya commiting suicide (Yuuya's mom), leading to Yuuya channeling all his hate onto Ayana.

If his father hadn't done what he had done, Mari wouldn't have hated Ayana so much because of his father's suffering.

Also, I know Ren suddenly turning out to be a "nice" guy at the end may be "shocking" but seriously? He ordered his guys to r*pe and b*lly Ayana, while claiming that he is fond of her??????

Boy, that's not how you show your love mannn...
I mean..., at this point, everybody has gone mad, logic and human morals just doesn't exist anymore :'')

I agree the father is just scum. In basic terms, he is an elderly modern version of those "Otome Game princes", like the hated idiots from Otome Game Sekai wa Mob ni Kibishii Sekai desu or Akuyaku Reijou nano de Last Boss wo Kattemimashita, always complaining about how they hated an arrange marriage despite "being in love with another woman" trope. Okay, you Truly loved another woman, great, now tell me WHY didn't you try HARD enough last time to get married to HER rather than your unwanted current marriage?

Given how miserable the main character lived her life at home, and how the father explicitly mentioned how he Hated his unhappy arranged marriage and he unfairly takes out his frustration on his own daughter, if this manga has a message then it is "don't accept an arrange marriage and start a family if you know you won't like it." Honestly, I understand the father had loved another woman, and he has a "son born from the only woman he truly loved" overdramatic trope, but the father should have been with that woman Regardless of the Cost. Don't just produce children and give them a miserable HELL because you didn't marry the correct woman you wanted. I mean, the father doesn't live in some medieval setting where "political arranged marriages are absolute and necessary by the LAW," guy should have done a better job if he REALLY wants to marry the "only woman he loves." It is pathetic how real life children get an unloving parenting from abusive fathers that didn't try hard enough to "get the perfect marriage they wanted," just get out of the arranged marriage if you have "another woman that you REALLY REALLY LOVE" so much, SMH.

Even in the real world, the concept of "logic and human morals just doesn't exist anymore" in the minds of many people especially, in this manga, the people that chose poor parenting choices. This manga did a good job presenting "tiger parents" and "cold unloving parents." In chapter 6 we know the Student President (Yuuko Takishima) suffered from her stressful tiger parents, so much that she chose to kill herself. Maybe it is due to the lack of imagination, but I DID wanted to the author to ELABORATE how the Student President's Tiger Parents Publicly suffered when they were stigmatized as abusive parents that drove their own daughter to END herself in chapter 6. Tiger parenting doesn't produce geniuses but just miserable children that HATE their parents, pathetic when Tiger Parents don’t love their child but only care about the public image of having “perfect children." Anyway, probably need to see another manga, or maybe even real life news, about Tiger parents to see if such parents ever Realize the Negatives of their parenting or maybe they arrogantly will be like "My parenting is Perfect, it is just the Child is a defective product. I can always just make another child."

As for the main character. I can understand parents are unable to love a child that is born from rape or a forced unwanted marriage. But I still like to scream "don't have children if you won't show actual love for them." The father Met the "woman he truly loved," way before his pathetic unwanted marriage, yet the fool still gave himself a miserable life and chose to spread misery to other people. Guy is worse than Scrooge who never married at all.

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