Zaregoto Series
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TenshoSep 29, 2017 3:41 AM
| Moral of this everyone is a liar 8/10 great series. Its almost exactly how i imagined it reading it years ago Hope for vol 2 |
| The plot twist was something that I did not consider. Holy crap. I hope Shaft does Kubishime and the rest in TVA format. 10/10 would re-watch it anytime. |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| That was quite the ride for Ii-chan. ^^ Hope they will adapt the other volumes too. |
| That was a nice adaptation. I hope that Shaft will deliver the rest of the series. I love Jun so much.  |
| What can i take this? Geniuses have too much free time! Also no doubt that Kunagisa would have resolved to do the same that Ibuki did, Ii-chan would have followed just like Shinya did. |
| Still really couldn't get into the story, felt so bland for me. The case in the end felt overcomplicated if anything and for no real reason. The title is pretty much saying all it itself, Zaregoto. Was waiting the whole thing for Aikawa Jun to appear, well that was a cool entrance, might've been interesting to see some of her story. The middle section reminded me of Umineko, like you should say or confirm it with red =/ Already compared (kinda) it to Umineko and kinda obvious cause the theme is similar. So the overall punchline should be nonsence or Zaregoto, was it also like this that for Shinya and Ibuki with the plan for Ii-chan to discover and why was it that they didn't plan to kill Yayoi-san? Yes or no just find those particular things rather strange. I'll give it 6/10, kinda enjoyed it but really wasn't my thing and not what i expected for all the waiting. |
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There is a reference to the painting Ophelia from John Everett Millais   |
| Road trip to hell with Jun . |
Oh damn, I didn't catch that. I guess because his arms weren't in the same position. Like, this one is more noticeable. Anyway, I've never read Hamlet, so I don't know the full context of it. But doesn't Ophelia die because she was incapable of helping herself or idk? Our MC could be the same. |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| Great finale for the first volume :D I really hope they continue the series like they did with Monogatari. |
| Awesome episode, SHAFT did a great adaptation of the first book. Here's hoping to see them adapt the rest of the series. |
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| Well, it was a very loyal adaptation of one of my favorite LN. But the pacing could've been a bit faster. 5 episodes was ideal. 8 is just stretching it to much. Hopefully they adapt the second book (which was fantastic), while making sure that the pacing is faster and more intense than the first book's adaptation. 7/10 |
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| That was a long car ride. The dialogue was pretty captivating, so I'm not complaining. The mystery reveal was pretty unexpected but made sense, in a twisted way. I like the quote "If somebody asks me why I was alive, 'I'd say, just in case.'" My only complaint was that it was difficult to remember who was who after with the longish breaks between the eps, though the visual cues and flash backs made it coherent here. |
| Oh hey Geisel made a cameo. Played out almost like a certain Agatha Christie novel. Hope they adapt more of the series, good mysteries are always a treat. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
| God DAMN IT SHAFT. Complicated doesn't BEGIN to describe this freaking series, there was no way in hell I would have figured ANY of the MESS explained in this episode, none of it. And it was only made more difficult by the MASSIVE amount of time between each episode. Well, I figured out a few bits and pieces here and there, but most of it, the big stuff, just flew over my head. Anyway, series is over, and I don't think I'll ever be able to sit through people talking like this and doing absolutely nothing, or the most random of things without reacting properly outside of a good Shaft anime. Once again, its amazing how entertaining Shaft can handle such long conversations between two characters. And it REALLY made this anime, probably couldn't have watched it otherwise, and definitely wouldn't have gotten so much enjoyment out of it. 8/10. |
A Wild and Small Otaku has Appeared! |
| That was one hell of a ride, literally. Jun's role from this anime/episode was very entertaining. Also glad that this episode was longer than the other episodes.The theme of truth and lies had my interest especially with the way they used their dialogues. I might have to rewatch some of the episodes considering the break. I actually watched episode 7 yesterday and decided to watch episode 8 now. Felt like this show would be better to watch as a marathon. |
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| Always nice to see an unexpected last-minute plot twist to change everything in a whodunit mystery. Sasuga Honestly I think Zaregoto is so much better than the Monogatari series really. This is actually style and substance rather than just quirky artistics. Would probably have been better still if it aired more frequently so you could keep the plot details fresh in your memory (was a little bit hard to remember everything like this) but that aside it was a pretty good show all-round |
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Rodric7202847 said: The animation was so good but...I didn't understand a thing ugh. So akane and ibuki switched identities and the real akane killed ibuki? you should rewatch it... |
Chimera-Ant Arc sucks A1-Pictures is great Lelouch is alive  |
smackells said: I came to exact same conclusion as the Li-chan immediately after Tomo's computer was broken. Really enjoyed this show, episodes just flew by 8/10 His name is Ii-chan. Not Li-chan |
| 「友達なんていない。人はすぐに裏切るし、学校っていうのは誰かを標的にしないとやってられない馬鹿共の集 まり。ままごとみたいな役決めて、仲のいいふりして都合が悪くなったら知らんぷり。そんな奴らと仲良くした いとか全然思わない。」 |
| Gotta say this was one of the best finale's!! Never had this much fun and wait over the twists, probably the last such show being Subete ga F ni Naru. Animation was top notch too. And the show was just mind blowing!! Hope to see more of the Zaregoto series! |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
| So I suppose the whole point is that we can't understand it. Ii-chan presented an explanation which was fairly easy to grasp once it was explained, but the reality of these geniuses being impossible to comprehend, total liars, and in the case of Akane (or whoever she was), complete psychopathic murderers. AGH, what a mindfuck. I knew they weren't just going to let the viewer get away with a satisfying explanation. We get this. Not that I can complain, and Aikawa-san was very cool. The fact that I end up feeling like Ii-chan is the point I suppose. I'll give this 8 or 9 /10. Probably a high 8/10. |
| That was a long episode for the finale. A lot of nonsense dialogue at the end. Ii-chan got baited by the genius and Shinya. A good adapatation but the soundtrack felt a bit weak except for the OP and ED songs. I hope they adapt the next volumes. 7/10 |
 "... Because when you live in this world of my closed eyes... ... Being alone is very lonely...". |
| That was good twist! Protect the smile ..  |
onepiecexbarcaOct 9, 2017 9:45 PM
Long_Ng said: bananaislife360 said: May I ask for spoilers please? I can't wait for the episode to come out. not really spoiler, but I still don't understand why Ii-chan did are considered meaningless? all he did was help solved the case which bothered the other genius right? |
Long_Ng said: Abyhape said: I still don't understand why Ii-chan did are considered meaningless? all he did was help solved the case which bothered the other genius right? - No, he technically didn't solve the case by himself. The Murders lead his nose so he can solve it so in the end, he only play the detective role, not one himself. And I must say, for someone who do absolute nothing, he's one badass mofo i see, so basically the murders want him to find them, am I right? and it's just for a challenge to see if he can solve it before all killed or not? |
Long_Ng said: Abyhape said: i see, so basically the murders want him to find them, am I right? and it's just for a challenge to see if he can solve it before all killed or not? - i'd recommend watch the last episode again, more closely, just so you can get it but yes, it's all play out so that someone will solve the mystery. The Murders did all of it to get caught and get a new identity yea I understand all explanation are in the last episode. I just got confused a little because the murders said she want to kill everyone, but then Aikawa said it's just so the murders can get a new identity. so I think that if the murders really want a new identity, she just need to kill one person, not the whole resident. |
| Damn it, loved every second of this, the directing of the episode was splendid. Hope they continue the adaptation. And I can't wait for the release of the OST, only few days left.. Once again an amazing job done by Kajiura Yuki. |
Katsu-kunOct 22, 2017 12:26 PM
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| Wow we had to wait awhile for this OVA to finish. But what a strong final episode. I couldn't believe it was double length. Considering all it had left to adapt was the Epilogue. But it did so in an exciting and entertaining way. That kept mountains of exposition fresh with trademark Shaft trippy visuals. All the driving around reminded me of the ending of Utena. And the volcano representing Kunagisa's apartment at the end was some surprisingly effective imagery. A lot of adapting this epilogue. Hinged on how interesting they could make Aikawa's character. And I'd say they pulled that off comfortably. She's one of the more amusing characters in the series. And seeing her wax poetic on motives and logic for thirty minutes made for an enjoyable victory lap. I hope they choose to adapt more stories in the Zaregoto series. Where Aikawa's a little more important. All in all this OVA series was pretty damn good. It took them too long to make. But now that it's all out I doubt it will matter much to future viewers. It didn't always fully realize some of the tricky scenes in the novel. But it's a daunting book (and author) to adapt that's why no one has yet. Even though it came out over a decade ago. All in all the characters were well realized on the silver screen. The murder mystery was effectively communicated. The animation was occasionally gorgeous with typical Shaft weirdness. And the OP and ED were great. Wasn't a game changer. But as a Zaregoto fan not much more you can ask for. 8/10. |
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Long_Ng said: Abyhape said: yea I understand all explanation are in the last episode. I just got confused a little because the murders said she want to kill everyone, but then Aikawa said it's just so the murders can get a new identity. so I think that if the murders really want a new identity, she just need to kill one person, not the whole resident. Yes, and they in fact, only kill 1 person. The whole point of this incident is for them to get a new identity. To hide that fact, they fool every one into believe that it's a serial killer case I got the impression that they would've killed more if Ii-chan hadn't figured out the switcharoo. Sonoyama/Ibuki didn't finish him off because she knew that the case was "solved", but lucky for them Ii-chan didn't even bother to figure out the actual motive for the murder (i.e. identity theft). And with only one person actually murdered it was much easier for Aikawa to figure out the motive (so in that regard, Ii-chan helped immensely). So killing half of the island's residents would be par for the course. Only thing I don't get is the wheelchair. As much talk as there was about a "genius putting energy into 1 thing and achieving unimaginable results" I call BS if Ibuki/Sonoyama was bound to a wheelchair before, switched places and then not only walked around but vault jumped to reach a high window? Unless, of course, no one was ever bound to a wheelchair and it's just a red herring, just as the story about Iria's scars. |
vanetz said: Long_Ng said: Yes, and they in fact, only kill 1 person. The whole point of this incident is for them to get a new identity. To hide that fact, they fool every one into believe that it's a serial killer case I got the impression that they would've killed more if Ii-chan hadn't figured out the switcharoo. Sonoyama/Ibuki didn't finish him off because she knew that the case was "solved", but lucky for them Ii-chan didn't even bother to figure out the actual motive for the murder (i.e. identity theft). And with only one person actually murdered it was much easier for Aikawa to figure out the motive (so in that regard, Ii-chan helped immensely). So killing half of the island's residents would be par for the course. Aikawa did say that the case was probably meant for her only after it was solved. They're leading Ii-chan around to think and do exactly what they want him to do, and they pulled it off flawlessly. Basically the genius posing as Ibuki/Sonoyama was playing everyone on her palm. Only thing I don't get is the wheelchair. As much talk as there was about a "genius putting energy into 1 thing and achieving unimaginable results" I call BS if Ibuki/Sonoyama was bound to a wheelchair before, switched places and then not only walked around but vault jumped to reach a high window? Unless, of course, no one was ever bound to a wheelchair and it's just a red herring, just as the story about Iria's scars. It was heavily implied that the real Ibuki (wheelchair-bound) was already killed and had her identity assumed too, way before the event on the island happened. So yeah. |
EasyGo-erOct 26, 2017 6:09 PM
| It was good ending I guess (the car ride was nice) even though I expected Ibuki was alive from the start (was thinking she was a switch with Rei though because of eye color and boobs size but well). It wan't bad but it wasn't on monogatari level either. Save for one or two girls, all characters were one-trick pony and mystery wasn't so well done. I found overall feel and resolution of Subete ga F ni Naru for example a lot better than this. He used zaregoto as spell to dismiss everything that doesn't fit into his deduction way too often and that's not the way to write good mystery novel. Also, the case was nothing special in the end, not to mention all of that deus ex machina revelation in the end (would be better if main character guessed it by himself, without help of a detective). I know that's part of an intention but I really didn't see any overbearing message in that. 6/10 It was good as a start (and I like Ii-chan and Tomo) but let's hope the further arcs (if any) would be a bit better in terms of actual plot behind the mystery. |
| it was a surprise, this episode was the real resolution of the murder case!!! Iria, yes, the Madam of the island, she always was disguised as a maid! It was a great surprise!!! This last female character, tantei/detective, was spectacular how in esthetic how personality!!! |
| This might be the worst Shaft show I saw in recent years.. what a let down. |
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