Before: Now:  Even with setting such as that of Pokemon, do you think in todays time, that it would be possible to have anime that is, well, not so much lighthearted? Putting aside the fact that Pokemon anime already is series where kids beat up beings that have feelings, using their own kind, and then use them as gladiators, while still calling them friends. |
| Yeah, I think those Pokemon specials they were putting out for each region are a testament to that. It's not like they completely shy away from more mature topics (war, death, etc) to begin with. |
| No. Because the premise does not work. Much of the logic in the Pokemon world simply doesn't allow for more complicated stories where its flaws would be more and more glaring. But I do have a Pokemon fan fiction I'm nursing. The first order of business for me was to rework the concept of the Pokedex. The Pokedex in the games is bullshit. You don't trust a 10 year old to make an encyclopedia. The anime is no better. So instead I decided to make the Pokedex an ecologist's tool in that helps Pokemon ecologists keep track of Pokemon population dynamics by entrusting Pokedex to trainers as a favor to gather in-field relevant data such as herd movements and status of the keystone species as well as changes in abiotic factors. You know how in real life, certain species of insects can indicate the water quality? Stuff like that. Once a trainer uses the Pokedex, it scans the surroundings and update the data to a central server. The trainers in turn would have a handheld encyclopedia with nesting habits, breeding habits, and tips on how to raise each species. A win-win for both sides. I feel like changes like that needs to begin first. |
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| It might or it might not. Remember when Mahou shoujo is not supposed to be dark? Madoka happened and changed the genre then mahou shoujo ikusei keikaku and yuuki yuuna happened. I think if it becomes successful the next pokemon adaptations will follow it. If not successful then not. |
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| Your pictures have nothing to do with seriousness in Pokemon, it's simply a comparison of old - modern anime. If anything the newer one appears more mature, given the details of the muscles, whereas the older one is just pancake. As for the topic at hand, I can't stand the recent Pokemon series, of course i'm no longer the target audience though. I wouldn't mind a more mature Pokemon series, but for now I'm content with Pokemon Origins. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: No. Because the premise does not work. Much of the logic in the Pokemon world simply doesn't allow for more complicated stories where its flaws would be more and more glaring. But I do have a Pokemon fan fiction I'm nursing. The first order of business for me was to rework the concept of the Pokedex. The Pokedex in the games is bullshit. You don't trust a 10 year old to make an encyclopedia. The anime is no better. So instead I decided to make the Pokedex an ecologist's tool in that helps Pokemon ecologists keep track of Pokemon population dynamics by entrusting Pokedex to trainers as a favor to gather in-field relevant data such as herd movements and status of the keystone species as well as changes in abiotic factors. You know how in real life, certain species of insects can indicate the water quality? Stuff like that. Once a trainer uses the Pokedex, it scans the surroundings and update the data to a central server. The trainers in turn would have a handheld encyclopedia with nesting habits, breeding habits, and tips on how to raise each species. A win-win for both sides. I feel like changes like that needs to begin first. I think it can work as spinoff- not replacing the endless main series. I like how Digimon reboot the series into something different every time. |
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le_halfhand_easy said: No. Because the premise does not work. Much of the logic in the Pokemon world simply doesn't allow for more complicated stories where its flaws would be more and more glaring. But I do have a Pokemon fan fiction I'm nursing. The first order of business for me was to rework the concept of the Pokedex. The Pokedex in the games is bullshit. You don't trust a 10 year old to make an encyclopedia. The anime is no better. So instead I decided to make the Pokedex an ecologist's tool in that helps Pokemon ecologists keep track of Pokemon population dynamics by entrusting Pokedex to trainers as a favor to gather in-field relevant data such as herd movements and status of the keystone species as well as changes in abiotic factors. You know how in real life, certain species of insects can indicate the water quality? Stuff like that. Once a trainer uses the Pokedex, it scans the surroundings and update the data to a central server. The trainers in turn would have a handheld encyclopedia with nesting habits, breeding habits, and tips on how to raise each species. A win-win for both sides. I feel like changes like that needs to begin first. They better just let the characters be teens than 10 yr olds. I mean would you let your 10 yr kid go all alone in a world where beings like Drifloon or Hypno and team ******* exists without a guardian? At least black and white thought about that and made the main characters Teenagers instead of 10 yr olds. |
| I remember really enjoying Pokemon Adventures manga but I haven't read the series in a long time. |
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| I think no matter how the change in artstyle, Pokemon will still be targeted at young audiences. |
Psajdak said: Before: Now: Even with setting such as that of Pokemon, do you think in todays time, that it would be possible to have anime that is, well, not so much lighthearted? Putting aside the fact that Pokemon anime already is series where kids beat up beings that have feelings, using their own kind, and then use them as gladiators, while still calling them friends. ...Last I recalled you took a vacation from MAL. Welcome back. I'll still talk to you despite what you asked months ago. And yes, I think a slightly more 'mature' Pokémon series could work. I'm not saying it should go into fanfiction grimdark territory with pokephilia, genocide, and every-loss-is-death like some nuzlocke. But introducing more complex and darker topics like death on a small scale, political debates, and abuse (not grimdark abuse) of pokemon could actually bring some interest back into the series. |
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| I don't think so, because then (as you mentioned) you'd have to get into the ethics of capturing and forcing animals to fight eachother in a semi-realistic setting, which just wouldn't work. Unless you're Michael Vick, Pokemon requires a bit of suspension of disbelief to enjoy. |
| Well, it can work, but the setting would be vastly different, and we would need a drastic change in characters. |
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| isnt that essentially what "the origin" was? |
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| Like ppl have already said, an anime adaptation of the Pokemon Adventures manga is exactly what "a bit more serious pokémon anime" would be, and it would be amazing to witness. The manga is great, likeable characters and interesting backstories, and of course i'd love to see my waifu Blue on screen <3 And badass Team Rocket Sabrina, as well as the rest of the gym leaders, who actually have a role in the overall plot… that would be great to watch. Sadly it'll probably never happen. |
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Psajdak said: InsaneLeader13 said: Ummm......Last I recalled you took a vacation from MAL. Welcome back. I'll still talk to you despite what you asked months ago. Sorry, I did took a vacation, that's true, but I have no idea who are you. It's ok. We've crossed paths alot on this site's forums. You honestly can't stand me because of my favorites and my mindset, hence why you asked me to stop talking to you several months back. But I'll keep talking to you, because as long as you keep having interesting questions and a memorable MAL forum image, I see no reason to stop. |
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| pokemon xyz was actually more serious than your usual pokemon arc. Plus the pokemon adventures and the pokemon origins series were pretty serious, considering the games had a serious storyline in them as well. it depends on your presepective on serious, like if you want pokemon to die or introduce death, that wont happen, apart from the marowak and the recent episode of i think stoutland. Tl;dr yes it is possible |
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nymi said: Madoka happened and changed the genre. Madoka invented nothing. We've had dark mahou shoujo for ages. Remember Rayearth? |
| "Would a bit more serious Pokemon anime work?" *Looks at Digimon* "Yes" |
Thats what Pokemon was, and likely once again will be. A little change of pace to understand the characters a little more is a good thing in my opinion |
iGPLTV said: Thats what Pokemon was, and likely once again will be. A little change of pace to understand the characters a little more is a good thing in my opinion Pokemon never got as serious as Digimon. |
Revillo_Phoenix said: iGPLTV said: Thats what Pokemon was, and likely once again will be. A little change of pace to understand the characters a little more is a good thing in my opinion Pokemon never got as serious as Digimon. So what? Does it really need to be? Plus I doubt you have watched the first Pokemon movie, or XY&Z (your profile doesn't say you did watch XY&Z anyway), but seriously. This is a as intense as you SHOULD get for a kids show. This isn't fucking Tokyo Ghoul. |
| It may or it may not work, I can't know, but I do know I would never watch it. To me the name and brand of Pokemon was, is and will always be associated with lightheartedness and innocence and that's the way I always want to remember it. |
iGPLTV said: So what? Does it really need to be? Plus I doubt you have watched the first Pokemon movie, or XY&Z (your profile doesn't say you did watch XY&Z anyway), but seriously. This is a as intense as you SHOULD get for a kids show. This isn't fucking Tokyo Ghoul. Well you have to re check my profile then cause I saw everything Pokemon up to where Sun and Moon is. Also I'm simply talking about the topic, don't have to get all riled up about it. ^^" |
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