von12 said: Can I have some base examples of characters you would consider realistic then?Deknijff said: I agree, anime does that too but it's not that common. Well anime does that too :/ but honestly I never find a character of anything realistic I just see them as that character nothing more so Because if you think its uncommon then our definitions or standards are different EcchiKingMamster said: thats not what I said and as @Deknijff said, these are cartoons that you shouldn't even be comparing to real ppl I said I find no character be it anime, cartoon or live action to be fully realistic they are just that character |
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Deknijff said: von12 said: Can I have some base examples of characters you would consider realistic then?I agree, anime does that too but it's not that common. Because if you think its uncommon then our definitions or standards are different EcchiKingMamster said: thats not what I said and as @Deknijff said, these are cartoons that you shouldn't even be comparing to real ppl I said I find no character be it anime, cartoon or live action to be fully realistic they are just that character well w/e my bad, they cant be because one person cant create the mind of someone else and not throw in personal taste or bias anyway, some ppl just need to accept the fact that "perfect" only exists in fiction, so theres no other place for men to express perfect women |
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EcchiKingMamster said: perhaps if author has multiple personality disorder he/she/them could pull it offDeknijff said: well w/e my bad, they can't be because one person can't create the mind of someone else and not throw in personal taste or biasCan I have some base examples of characters you would consider realistic then? Because if you think its uncommon then our definitions or standards are different thats not what I said I said I find no character be it anime, cartoon or live action to be fully realistic they are just that character |
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EcchiKingMamster said: von12 said: Well, as I've said above, if you have watched any Japanese live-action movies or tv shows, you wouldn't say the same thing. Female characters are pretty diverse and complex, and are shown realistically. live action characters which are played by REAL ppl are shown realistically? WHOA.. exactly what i DON'T WANT in anime girls.. their entire appeal is the fact that theyre unrealistic, why should fictional characters be realistic? wtf? doesnt that destroy the point? and as @Deknijff said, these are cartoons that you shouldn't even be comparing to real ppl I meant that I want them to be well fleshed out and interesting characters that aren't one-dimensional. Also, the fact that it's animated doesn't matter since any medium can produce well-written and compelling characters. |
Deknijff said: EcchiKingMamster said: perhaps if author has multiple personality disorder he/she/them could pull it offwell w/e my bad, they can't be because one person can't create the mind of someone else and not throw in personal taste or bias thats still on paper coming from the same person though lo good laugh tho von12 said: EcchiKingMamster said: live action characters which are played by REAL ppl are shown realistically? WHOA.. exactly what i DON'T WANT in anime girls.. their entire appeal is the fact that theyre unrealistic, why should fictional characters be realistic? wtf? doesnt that destroy the point? and as @Deknijff said, these are cartoons that you shouldn't even be comparing to real ppl I meant that I want them to be well fleshed out and interesting characters that aren't one-dimensional. Also, the fact that it's animated doesn't matter since any medium can produce well-written and compelling characters. what you as a woman want is not what the men who create them want, theyre not meant to be appealing to YOU, theyre meant to be appealing to men who like to fantasize about perfect women just like the men in anime aimed at girls are for women |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Deknijff said: perhaps if author has multiple personality disorder he/she/them could pull it off thats still on paper coming from the same person though lo good laugh tho von12 said: I meant that I want them to be well fleshed out and interesting characters that aren't one-dimensional. Also, the fact that it's animated doesn't matter since any medium can produce well-written and compelling characters. what you as a woman want is not what the men who create them want, theyre not meant to be appealing to YOU, theyre meant to be appealing to men who like to fantasize about perfect women just like the men in anime aimed at girls are for women I guess that's true. But personally, I would rather have characters that are compelling rather than characters that physically appeal to me. |
| Because echi anime. Echi is just light porn it is not meant to be taken seriously. So I wouldn't worry to much about it. Also guys in anime/manga are sexualized too because there are girls who like that stuff. I mean sure not as much as girls but still. Also If there are guys who think echi anime portrays women correctly then they are just dumb. As long as we know this does not portray women correctly then it's ok. |
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| well regardless I would be interested in seeing what happens von12 said: I meant that I want them to be well fleshed out and interesting characters that aren't one-dimensional. Also, the fact that it's animated doesn't matter since any medium can produce well-written and compelling characters. EcchiKingMamster said: Ok you both have valid points and all is good. You have the right to ask for what you want and Mamster has a point about it being there for those that want it you as a woman want is not what the men who create them want, theyre not meant to be appealing to YOU, theyre meant to be appealing to men who like to fantasize about perfect women just like the men in anime aimed at girls are for women but the problem lies here with you von12. Both of these things exist so there shouldn't be a problem but you are mostly focusing on getting rid of something people want. You have what you want and we have what we want. So please stop being over dramatic and trying to lower the amount of things we want just so that you can feel better. Take what you can get just like we take what we can get |
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von12 said: I guess that's true. But personally, I would rather have characters that are compelling rather than characters that physically appeal to me. women tend to care far more about personality than men, which im sure is why women never use fanservice avatars of men such as abs or ass or w/e men just value looks far more than women do and in fiction where we can make characters look however we want, why wouldnt we make them in a way that we see perfect and show it off? @Deknijff ever notice how whenever ppl are asked things like "what would you change about anime?" its always: "reduce or remove this thing i dont like" and never "increase this thing that i do like" ? taking away rights is more important to some than just giving everyone the same rights |
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AyameTomoko said: @EcchiKingMamster, any rights stripped away in the future of the US will be so on the grounds of moral paranoia. and some ppl think its immoral to sexualize young girls, which is one of the main reasons if not the main reason ppl complain about fanservice |
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| @flannan "It becomes easier to understand when you take into account the OP is female and empathizes with all the anime characters getting into those uncomfortable sexual situations." Still no, taking into account the large amount of anime where the MC is a Beta, therefore he is the one getting in uncomfortable sexual situations. And even in stuff like Free i really don't mind. |
| Because women with no sex appeal are essentially just more boring dudes. |
| neither are made for anything just saying EcchiKingMamster said: The mind is connected to the body. If I don't like her I'm not going to find her attractive and if she is ugly I'm not going to care about her personality. You need both dammit guys women tend to care far more about personality than men  SinOfSlothKing said: Well Mamster if I was to change things Id need to remove some stuff too just saying since those things are eyes sores while also adding more that I like @Deknijff ever notice how whenever ppl are asked things like "what would you change about anime?" its always: "reduce or remove this thing i dont like" and never "increase this thing that i do like" ? taking away rights is more important to some than just giving everyone the same rights  |
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| @Deknijff Ofc both is better, but just cause i dont like a female character doesn't mean she aint sexy or fappable @AyameTomoko sexual content has been around since the beginning of time, and the population only increased.. the reason the population is decreasing is because of education, ppl now are just far more likely to fear the consequences of sex or relationships, like having unwanted kids, diseases, or ending with the wrong person. weve just become far more cautious of who we get with nowadays thats not porn or anything other sexual contents fault, thats the fault of ppl not being suited for eachother in japan the lack of relationships has to do more with the high value they put on work above anything else, giving many no time to think about such things, anime has nothing to do with that anime just so happens to attract ppl who end up in those situations, anime or porn or w/e is a result, not a cause |
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thewiru said: @flannan "It becomes easier to understand when you take into account the OP is female and empathizes with all the anime characters getting into those uncomfortable sexual situations." Still no, taking into account the large amount of anime where the MC is a Beta, therefore he is the one getting in uncomfortable sexual situations. And even in stuff like Free i really don't mind. I've heard a number of male fans are uncomfortable with harem MC being such a sexual object, and complain about this loudly. SinOfSlothKing said: flannan said: I would like you to take your words back. Now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II Compare it to what man did in the same war..... the best russian snipers were man. Also only 3% of the army was woman and exceptions prove the rule. http://www.militaryeducation.org/10-deadliest-snipers-of-world-war-2/ Only 1 out of these 10 is a woman. Okay, you didn't take your words back. Welcome to blacklist. You are the scum that needs to be burned off the face of the planet with atomic fire. |
flannanSep 17, 2017 1:02 PM
von12 said: The objectification of female characters is so prevalent in anime that it is unbelievable. Generally, a lot of female characters are just relegated to being love interests (that are sometimes needlessly sexualized too) and you only (somewhat) rarely see any complex and well-written women. Why do you think that is and what is your opinion on it? It's cause you're watching the wrong kind of shows. If you don't want to see dem tits then don't watch a show for male teenagers. Most shoujo manga and anime don't ''objectify'' females, read or watch those instead *shrug*. |
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AyameTomoko said: @EcchiKingMamster, makes even more sense. You can't necessarily blame people for knowing too much, and banning porn wouldn't do anything besides make people mad. if porn or sexual content was banned the sexual crime rate would rise |
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@EcchiKingMamster, well according to moral authoritarian busybodies, the rape rate will significantly drop if we get rid of rape hentai. I mean it's not like people use that kind of stuff to vent their carnal desires so that they don't hurt anyone. |
KyokisamaSep 17, 2017 1:07 PM
AyameTomoko said: @EcchiKingMamster, well according to moral authoritarian busybodies, the rape rate will significantly drop if we get rid of rape hentai. I mean it's not like people use that kind of stuff to vent their carnal desires so that they don't hurt anyone. and that is ofc nothing but bullshit.. rape was around long before anime |
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AyameTomoko said: @EcchiKingMamster, but it's better in the modern day because people now have more fictional outlets to help control their sexual desires. The rape rate goes down as a result, so to ban porn would be to reverse those stats and create more real victims. yea exactly what im agreeing with, fiction doesnt create, it attracts |
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| "I've heard a number of male fans are uncomfortable with harem MC being such a sexual object, and complain about this loudly." Not really, the complaints are usually about the character being bad or that the character, in their words, "should stop being such a p#$$&", or similar complaints Shinji receives. I haven't seem any complaint about such character being "a sexual object". |
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| Because it's an industry run by males, and the target audience are children and the otaku crowds. Sexualiszing women and showing them as trophies and objects panders to men who are horny, lonely, and probably have misogynist tendencies. |
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| Most of the people that work on anime are male. Most of anime viewers are also male. |
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Well, in your case if it's both men and women. You'd probably be considered a bit of an asshole. But I don't really know you. Are you objectifying both men and women and treat both genders in a stereotypical manner? |
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| Another shitty same ole thread. Nothing new here I see. |
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AyameTomoko said: So I'm asshole for seeing no problem with sexualization? Ok then. No I don't treat either in stereotypical or prejudicial manner. I just don't see sexualization as something that's degrading or wrong. Well, sexualising women for example generally leads to ideas that a woman's only worth is their sex appeal. Same can be said of men I suppose, but it's more prevalent to women. Nothing wrong with a character having sex appeal, but it's a slippery slope at times when suddenly that sex appeal is the only thing to their personality or character development. That's just my take on it. |
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| Both genres are sexualized in little and greater measure, but yeah there're more female sexualized because the most people that consumed anime are males. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Because it sells, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sex sells...but who's buying? COME ON MAL LET ME JUST POST A CLEVER REFERNECE WITHOUT CALLING ME OUT FOR CHARACTER LIMIT BS!!! |
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