| edit: I am losing brain cells reading some of the reactionary responses in this thread lol. Sexualization is okay for males and females, but depends on the context IMO. |
von12May 29, 2020 12:51 PM
| Yeah i too think that McDonald's breakfast shouldn't be served for the whole day (pls make this thread about this instead of the overused and boring topic op decided to bait about) |
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| ^ this tbh, I'll just wait for another person to answer this with the same answer used in a similar forum *shrugs* |
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| did you perhaps maybe not think of the chance you just find them sexualised because as a male you find women attractive? or is this a bland all sex appeal is bad kind of thread |
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| I've never seen a thread talk about anime ecchi before. This has truly opened my eyes. |
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Fleeting_DreamOct 21, 2019 9:43 AM
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| Okay im watching sakurada reset right now and I saw this shit 3 days ago. Why the hell did I retain my memory after a reset? welp |
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| how can people fall for such obvious bait.... I expected more mal |
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AmMar-Sama said: Because Japan is full of horny weebs who constantly need fap material. Lol , but you can't call a japanese citizen a weeb , do you know that ? |
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Deknijff said: did you perhaps maybe not think of the chance you just find them sexualised because as a male you find women attractive? or is this a bland all sex appeal is bad kind of thread I am not saying that all sex appeal is bad. Of course, it's not. But in a lot of anime, it's just done so cheaply and extensively to that point that casual sexualization of women has become a whole genre. Also, the ecchi genre remains weirdly prudish and pandering. Most of these women are portrayed as pure and are sometimes showed negatively if they are not a virgin (which is a double standard). IMO, it just feels so creepy. Btw I am a girl. |
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koolkai123 said: Yeah i too think that McDonald's breakfast shouldn't be served for the whole day Objection. Sometimes I need pancakes at 8pm. |
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| You know that anime is eastern? They don't have the retard thought of "women are sexualized, women are seen as objects, women this, women that, hurr durr!". You haven't seen the right anime. Do you know Saber, Furude Rika, Saya Kisaragi? No? Well they are not sexualized characters. But then when men are sexualized *cough* Usui *cough* Sebastian Michaelis *cough* Free!. Not one bats an eye. Double standards... Pure gold. |
CatSoul said: koolkai123 said: Yeah i too think that McDonald's breakfast shouldn't be served for the whole day Objection. Sometimes I need pancakes at 8pm. Then make some pancakes. Mcdonald's specializes in lunch. That's why them making salads is retarded. Nobody goes to McDonald's for a balanced breakfast |
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| Wait. Do females not act like that irl? :S |
| Because it sells, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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von12 said: why is that always the case whenever I don't check gender of the OP. Sorry about then Btw I am a girl. von12 said: Well that really depends on what you mean by a lot. But there is only about 2 or 3 ecchi heavy shows per season out of 40 or 50 shows so I would say math wise its pretty little. I am not saying that all sex appeal is bad. Of course, it's not. But in a lot of anime, it's just done so cheaply and extensively to that point that casual sexualization of women has become a whole genre. I feel I need to also just mention ecchi is just a genre in the west. In Japan it is not a genre. Some shows just have more sex than others von12 said: As someone who watches a lot of ecchi and hentai Im going to be very honest with you Also, the ecchi genre remains weirdly prudish and pandering. Most of these women are portrayed as pure and are sometimes showed negatively if they are not a virgin (which is a double standard). IMO, it just feels so creepy. ecchi hardly focuses on virginity sure it'll have the funny old joke of I can't get married anymore joke but compared to hentai it is hardly ever there chicoplaya said: From what I remember men complained a shit load when Free came out But then when men are sexualized *cough* Usui *cough* Sebastian Michaelis *cough* Free!. Not one bats an eye. Double standards... |
DeknijffSep 16, 2017 1:37 PM
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| Sex sells, simple as that. Same principle applies to males. Darek said: Sexualization =/= objectification. A character can be sexualized and still not be treated as an object. Also this. |
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chicoplaya said: But then when men are sexualized *cough* Usui *cough* Sebastian Michaelis *cough* Free!. Not one bats an eye. Double standards... This is so accurate. One of the best answers i've read on this thread |
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Darek said: Sexualization =/= objectification. A character can be sexualized and still not be treated as an object. And well the same question applies as to why in anime aimed at women there is so many men being sexualized. The difference is that there is more men watching anime, therefore stastically speaking there is more anime aimed at men and more sexualized female characters. Simole maths really. Another thing is is there really THAT much of it? I doubt it, I REALLY doubt it and I wanna see statistics first and not just people saying that there is something, without a proof that that is actually true. Another thing is well-written. I doubt that you actually want well written female characters, as most people who advocate for more well written female characters seem to just want some wish fulfilment and more "strong" female characters. However a stron female character and a well written character are two seoerate things. Another thing and the least and most obvious one is, whether it is true or not. Well, let us suppose it is, is that really an issue? I mean speaking of sexualization alone, lack of well written characters is kind of an issue. I try my best to not misjudge you and answer this topic seriously, because I know you are about to be eaten alive by angry ecchi fans. And as an ecchi fan myself I want to attempt at reasoning with you. But first I wanna know your stance in more detail, this way I can know better your issues and intentions. Thank you for actually wanting to discuss with me! I don't have any real statistics and this is just a general observation that irks me personally. It can totally be wrong since I don't have any hard data backing me up. I am not saying that only physically strong women are well written. I am just saying that the characters that are there should be fleshed out completely and with real intentions, thoughts, and general complexity (like any "good" characters). It doesn't matter if they are weak or anything, I just don't want them to be a single trope/archetype. Also, sexy women aren't an issue at all if they are done correctly. The very cliche scenarios of boys peeking on girls bathing in onsens or in lockers rooms or grabbing their boobs and falling on them are very prevalent and honestly, very annoying at this point. It should be noted that all of these scenarios that I stated above happen accidentally or without the girl actually wishing for it. |
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| Wait... Mhh... Didn't @You already made this week's ecchi thread? I'm surprised that someone did it again. Anyway, ohh well OP, I guess you've watched tons of Ecchi series lately to see all female characters to be sexualize... :/ |
von12 said: It should be noted things people can't always control will happen to them and such is life It should be noted that all of these scenarios that I stated above happen accidentally or without the girl actually wishing for it. |
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Darek said: Orion_Gospel said: but they do complain. And especially when it is a yaoi show, whenever anything yaoi-like happens in anime people start to lose their shit.This is so accurate. One of the best answers i've read on this thread Yaoi is gay hentai. So sexualization or objectification isn't a surpise there, at least not for me. And personaly, even though i am a guy, i wouldn't lose my mind. It's just some fictional men having sex. What's the shocking thing about this anyway? And when it comes to yaoi-like stuff, well, i guess most guys are insecure or something |
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| one reason Vicarious living- people are too afraid to engage in real life sexual activities so they turn to artificial means. Al though Im not sure the statistic of virgins who watch ecchi vs. people who have real life sex and watch ecchi. That might be the next step to understanding it. |
Orion_Gospel said: chicoplaya said: But then when men are sexualized *cough* Usui *cough* Sebastian Michaelis *cough* Free!. Not one bats an eye. Double standards... This is so accurate. One of the best answers I've read on this thread Really though? I've seen many men complaining about Free! or how they want to avoid a show because it looks "gay" or it's "fujobait" if a show has some guys on the cover. |
| Perhaps anime is trying to help Japan with their population woes. Though I don't mind sexualization as long as it's not the person's only trait. |
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hypocrite_tenma said: people are too afraid to engage in real life sexual activities so they turn to artificial means. I'm not afraid. I'm ready to fuck, but I have no simple means to hook up because I choose not to drive yet. I've sent people nudes here. Collecting fap material is also equally important for stimulation on demand, and I want to share it with others. |
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| It's funny because you're saying "Objectification" of an IP Intellectual Property Somethint that literally has Property in it's name. But answering the title: Why shouldn't they? |
| Please, OP, watch at least 2 yaoi, 10 reverse harems, 5 shounen ai, 10 male sports anime, and 10 shoujo romance and then report back to me on if women are sexualized more than men. |
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Deknijff said: von12 said: It should be noted things people can't always control will happen to them and such is life It should be noted that all of these scenarios that I stated above happen accidentally or without the girl actually wishing for it. Yep, that's true. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's a lazy and sleazy cliche for me. |
IpreferEcchi said: hypocrite_tenma said: people are too afraid to engage in real life sexual activities so they turn to artificial means. I'm not afraid. I'm ready to fuck, but I have no simple means to hook up because I choose not to drive yet. I've sent people nudes here. Collecting fap material is also equally important for stimulation on demand, and I want to share it with others. Can you walk? And it's not just a matter of having sex, but also getting to know someone as a person. People arent just meant to be sex dolls. I dont know, the way you sound makes it seem all you care about is sex. Sorry if I'm wrong. People need extra hobbies in life beyond sex, otherwise unfulfilled sexual desires will torment you. |
von12 said: well entertainment is made out of cliches so Deknijff said: Yep, that's true. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's a lazy and sleazy cliche for me.It should be noted things people can't always control will happen to them and such is life but of course if you think the cliche in a specific show is done in a lazy way and can perhaps give an input of how to improve upon it feel free to do so of course |
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S-quare22 said: Darek said: Sexualization =/= objectification. A character can be sexualized and still not be treated as an object. And well the same question applies as to why in anime aimed at women there is so many men being sexualized. The difference is that there is more men watching anime, therefore stastically speaking there is more anime aimed at men and more sexualized female characters. Simole maths really. Another thing is is there really THAT much of it? I doubt it, I REALLY doubt it and I wanna see statistics first and not just people saying that there is something, without a proof that that is actually true. Another thing is well-written. I doubt that you actually want well written female characters, as most people who advocate for more well written female characters seem to just want some wish fulfilment and more "strong" female characters. However a stron female character and a well written character are two seoerate things. Another thing and the least and most obvious one is, whether it is true or not. Well, let us suppose it is, is that really an issue? I mean speaking of sexualization alone, lack of well written characters is kind of an issue. I try my best to not misjudge you and answer this topic seriously, because I know you are about to be eaten alive by angry ecchi fans. And as an ecchi fan myself I want to attempt at reasoning with you. But first I wanna know your stance in more detail, this way I can know better your issues and intentions. Ok we can say that men are sexualized in some shows but not as exagerrated as the females ones.. the sexualization of females has surpassed it's limits if you want my opinion Also , if you take a look to korean dramas (most of it's fans are girls) you'll notice that men aren't sexualized so I see that the gender which dominates the fanbase isn't really important tbh Some things do not need statistics cuz they are obvious and you can find them so easily on the internet This answer is for you too @chicoplaya This may be the best reply I've seen in my life .. thank you for the great experience you slapped his butt |
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hypocrite_tenma said: IpreferEcchi said: I'm not afraid. I'm ready to fuck, but I have no simple means to hook up because I choose not to drive yet. I've sent people nudes here. Collecting fap material is also equally important for stimulation on demand, and I want to share it with others. Can you walk? And it's not just a matter of having sex, but also getting to know someone as a person. People arent just meant to be sex dolls. I dont know, the way you sound makes it seem all you care about is sex. Sorry if I'm wrong. People need extra hobbies in life beyond sex, otherwise unfulfilled sexual desires will torment you. I like to do musical things. I play the piano. I sing. And casual sex is a thing, you know. Different relationships exist for different goals. |
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Darek said: von12 said: I wanna at least try because from my experience I can safely assume this thread is about to go down.Thank you for actually wanting to discuss with me! I don't have any real statistics and this is just a general observation that irks me personally. It can totally be wrong since I don't have any hard data backing me up. I am not saying that only physically strong women are well written. I am just saying that the characters that are there should be fleshed out completely and with real intentions, thoughts, and general complexity (like any "good" characters). It doesn't matter if they are weak or anything, I just don't want them to be a single trope/archetype. Also, sexy women aren't an issue at all if they are done correctly. The very cliche scenarios of boys peeking on girls bathing in onsens or in lockers rooms or grabbing their boobs and falling on them are very prevalent and honestly, very annoying at this point. It should be noted that all of these scenarios that I stated above happen accidentally or without the girl actually wishing for it. The observation and statistic things is something I have been interested in general myself, but when it comes to this topic, sadly we will never have definite proof as to who is right or wrong. We can only get close by making educated guesses and certain observations but that is still hardly any evidence, and do not worry I do not have definite proof myself at the moment either :v kinda the issue with this topic in general. But anyways, I am derailing. The thing is that it depends heavily on what shows you decide to watch if you avoid the "ecchi" tag most of the time you should avoid it. However some ecchi have decent female characters, some ecchi are not even about the sexual acts themselves. For example Shimoneta is a parody of Japanese censorship laws and the purity bullcrap (which I will get to in a minute) sadly the anime kinda get worse in the second half. And obviously the opposite is true some ecchi are not categorized as ecchi. This is primarly because ecchi as a genre is a western invention, ni ecchi is being made with the intention of being one. They just add it in there and we made the name for it because reasons. I suggest to just watch different/better anime, I learnt what I personally wanna watch and avoid and I choose my anime this way, and I can say I am satisfied most of the time with my picks. As for the character quality. First I think I should apologize for attempting at guessing what you mean by well written. Especially in a not so respectful manner. Now that thisbis out of the way. I think the issue is not as much lack of well written female characters as much as lack of good characters in general. Characters for one are probably the hardest thing to write in any form of story/medium. And you probably noticed that the male characters in thise type of shows are often not that well written either. Well I guess it also comes to watching better/different anime. As to the accidents. Jaoan still seems to have a sort of purity obsession so that explains why those are all accident. Like having the main character willingly making a move on the girl or the other way around is a bit "inpure" but it is not as there is no anime characters in ecchi, who are open about their sexuality and openly make moves and/or tease the other party. Tho most of it... You are safer to look for in the manga I guess. Manga in general goes a lot further because it is cheaper in production and therefore safer. For example I once read an ecchi manga abiut a guy who purified demons with an excalibur... Only this excalibur was his penis :v you can picture the rest (tbh that concept tho funny as hell and potentially interesting gets blown away and ends up kinda boring after a few chapters *shrug*). But yeah Japan is still a bit conservative so although it may appear more sex positive granted the amouny of sexual content it rareky goes anywhere with it and ends up being a bit prudish in the process. I dunno if I would blame it on sexism, I say myself this is an issue harming both men and women... (just like anything that conservatives do but let's not get political *wink*) Okay after writing this small wall of text I kinda lost the track of what I wanted to say on top of what I already said. So I hope this does not feel incomplete. Also sorry for any grammar errors, I am writing it on my phone Orion_Gospel said: Not saying it is you in specific. But it does happen for guys to complain about anime like Free or Yuri on Ice.Yaoi is gay hentai. So sexualization or objectification isn't a surpise there, at least not for me. And personaly, even though i am a guy, i wouldn't lose my mind. It's just some fictional men having sex. What's the shocking thing about this anyway? And when it comes to yaoi-like stuff, well, i guess most guys are insecure or something Don't worry, i know you're not talking about me. As for the other guys that you mentioned, my answer will be exactly my previous post. |
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S-quare22 said: Darek said: Sexualization =/= objectification. A character can be sexualized and still not be treated as an object. And well the same question applies as to why in anime aimed at women there is so many men being sexualized. The difference is that there is more men watching anime, therefore stastically speaking there is more anime aimed at men and more sexualized female characters. Simole maths really. Another thing is is there really THAT much of it? I doubt it, I REALLY doubt it and I wanna see statistics first and not just people saying that there is something, without a proof that that is actually true. Another thing is well-written. I doubt that you actually want well written female characters, as most people who advocate for more well written female characters seem to just want some wish fulfilment and more "strong" female characters. However a stron female character and a well written character are two seoerate things. Another thing and the least and most obvious one is, whether it is true or not. Well, let us suppose it is, is that really an issue? I mean speaking of sexualization alone, lack of well written characters is kind of an issue. I try my best to not misjudge you and answer this topic seriously, because I know you are about to be eaten alive by angry ecchi fans. And as an ecchi fan myself I want to attempt at reasoning with you. But first I wanna know your stance in more detail, this way I can know better your issues and intentions. Ok we can say that men are sexualized in some shows but not as exagerrated as the females ones.. the sexualization of females has surpassed it's limits if you want my opinion Also , if you take a look to korean dramas (most of it's fans are girls) you'll notice that men aren't sexualized so I see that the gender which dominates the fanbase isn't really important tbh Some things do not need statistics cuz they are obvious and you can find them so easily on the internet This answer is for you too @chicoplaya Show me a world where Men fantasize about Women the same way Women fantasize about Men, and I'll show you a world where anime is equally sexualized between genders. Women tend to think with their hearts. They often fantasize about strong, handsome men that treat them nicely and on equal terms. Women want their "Hero in shining armor". Men tend to think with their dicks. They often fantasize about their ideal beautiful woman that doesn't complain/resist much (if at all) to becoming a sexual object/prize. Men want their "Princess in peril" that need a hero. We all want our "eye candy", but for different reasons, and this is why you see a difference in how genders are treated in anime when it comes to sexualization. |
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| I think its because japanese women are "lacking" this points,like having big breasts or being chubby because of genetics. Try to compare american and japanese and you will find many differences. Same goes with big eyes,asians know theirs. But of course,there are women with big breasts and stuff like that,but not many as flat chested ones. But well,japanese people are...little bit pervy so this might be another reason |
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von12 said: Deknijff said: It should be noted things people can't always control will happen to them and such is life Yep, that's true. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's a lazy and sleazy cliche for me. If we're gonna talk about female characters and not the usual ecchi thread stuff, I'll bite. There's a reason why I focus more on shows with the shoujo/josei tag now. Female mangaka + female audience=higher likelihood of female character being 3-dimensional/relatable. The fact that FMA has a female mangaka also helps with having better written females, even though it's a shounen. Doesn't make the other stuff go away, but there's plenty out there that doesn't make females into a cardboard cutout. Anime is a pretty broad medium. |
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chicoplaya said: You know that anime is eastern? They don't have the retard thought of "women are sexualized, women are seen as objects, women this, women that, hurr durr!". You haven't seen the right anime. Do you know Saber, Furude Rika, Saya Kisaragi? No? Well they are not sexualized characters. But then when men are sexualized *cough* Usui *cough* Sebastian Michaelis *cough* Free!. Not one bats an eye. Double standards... Pure gold. Do I even need to point out the obvious here? |
Older_than_dirt said: S-quare22 said: Ok we can say that men are sexualized in some shows but not as exagerrated as the females ones.. the sexualization of females has surpassed it's limits if you want my opinion Also , if you take a look to korean dramas (most of it's fans are girls) you'll notice that men aren't sexualized so I see that the gender which dominates the fanbase isn't really important tbh Some things do not need statistics cuz they are obvious and you can find them so easily on the internet This answer is for you too @chicoplaya Show me a world where Men fantasize about Women the same way Women fantasize about Men, and I'll show you a world where anime is equally sexualized between genders. Women tend to think with their hearts. They often fantasize about strong, handsome men that treat them nicely and on equal terms. Women want their "Hero in shining armor". Men tend to think with their dicks. They often fantasize about their ideal beautiful woman that doesn't complain/resist much (if at all) to becoming a sexual object/prize. Men want their "Princess in peril" that need a hero. We all want our "eye candy", but for different reasons, and this is why you see a difference in how genders are treated in anime when it comes to sexualization. Women have more appealing things than men which make them more sexualized and more targetted , the sexualization of the two genders aren't equal for sure because of what i've said before , the sexualization of women is exagerrated asf especially in ecchi shows .. and men only have some abs to show (that's all) and this explains why ecchi show are tagged +18 moso the time and why gay animes like YOI and free (this one :/) are tagged PG-13 |
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