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With over around 8000 animes listed on MAL it is clear that Japan is the " king of animation ". But I find their content is severely lacking for the amount of series they produce. American " anime like " series is probably something around 20 and there is already 2 that would be on top of MAL. Avatar the last airbender is definitely one of the best animes if it was made in Japan. And yet the american writers for the show was their first time making an animated tv series. Then you have castlevania which shows alot of potential to be an amazing upcoming animated series.

Japanese writers seem incapable of writing better stories and dialogue ( SOME OF THE TIME ). There are a few masterpiece animes out there. But overwhelmingly for most anime producers, they fall flat. Is this a problem due to society and upbringing in japan?
 
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i think they don't want to take the risk to write something that don't sells well
 
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Trash sells, so they need to produce it more.

No one give a jesus ass about quality anymore.



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tragedydesu said:
i think they don't want to take the risk to write something that don't sells well

Is that why there is like a tsundere in 1 in every 3 animes?
 
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You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.
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If you don't know jack shit about Japan culture, language, and how terrible Dub/sub is, get the fuck out.
 
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kingraptor724 said:
tragedydesu said:
i think they don't want to take the risk to write something that don't sells well

Is that why there is like a tsundere in 1 in every 3 animes?

yep , anime with a tsundere main love interest sell well like isekai/incest/harems
and now there is a new cancer called traps
so they will keep milking them until this trends die
 
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then why are you even here? there is more than jap an US animation...
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SuperRed said:
You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.
 
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I think you seem to forget that Japan and America have vastly different cultures and people. Japanese shows are made for a Japanese audience and American shows are made for a western audience. So it's only natural that an American (or western) person would like American shows more.

Also imo Avatar is severely overrated based on the fact that it's the only one of it's kind (anime inspired cartoon about a fictional eastern world), also nostalgia. I watched it again several months ago and it fell short of what I expected it would be like. If it was the exact same but was instead an anime made in Japan it would just be seen as a decent but pretty generic shounen.
 
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kingraptor724 said:
SuperRed said:
You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.


this is most retarded opinion i heard in while...
"lets judge the whole japanese animation industries, by rondom rangking site with western based comunity by my standard"

what a fucking joke...

yes, you are, 400 even still too little to know what inside industries, the cultural background around it, the experience to relate and feeling it... undestanding the "anime" as a whole... as industry, as culture, as entertainment medium...
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SuperRed said:
You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

MAL's top is full of shit bruh lololo















Wait...






 
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If you can make Avatar in Japanese maybe I would bother to watch more than the first 12 minutes of the first episode.
 
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Says someone who rated S;G a 2/10.

In some respects I agree with you, but there are well written anime. If you did a ratio of well written anime to well written Western movies.... they'd probably be closer than you expect.
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Lol someone taking MAL ratting seriously.
 
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>Implying Steins;Gate deserves a medal for its writing.

Maybe I was too busy cringing at the cliché harem cast, cheap meta jokes and stupid events (eat veggies if you want girls, MALers) to notice the finesse of the writing.
 
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Oh well, we did not have a guy with barely any completion and complete lack of critical eye talking about things he has no clue about in a while. Guess MAL needs to have at least one thread like that every week or two.
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Really? A lot? Apparently @EcchiKingMamster is so fat he skews statistics.
 
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Steins Gate is one of the animes that actually makes me think I shouldnt take MAL ratings seriously at all. I dont recall even laughing once, or finding the pseudo science even slightly interesting.
 
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It's more like

You give Toradora a 8 while giving Steins;Gate a freaking 2 and you think you can say shit about the industry?

Please check your privilege XD
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HyperL said:
It's more like

You give Toradora a 8 while giving Steins;Gate a freaking 2 and you think you can say shit about the industry?

Please check your privilege XD

Toradora is at least an enjoyable anime that made me laugh more than once. Steins gate isnt intelligent as people say it is and the humor is based around bad jokes that you would find on reddit.
 
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@kingraptor724 Toradora! also has some of the less believable highschoolers and dialogues ever, and an awful case of overblown and pointless drama. And that story-telling, eeeew. But hey, keep bashing S;G publicly, I'll cover you (^:
 
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@kingraptor724 Toradora! also has some of the less believable highschoolers and dialogues ever, and an awful case of overblown and pointless drama. But hey, keep bashing S;G publicly, I'll cover you (^:

It is a romcom, a genre I would usually never watch. But even with pointless drama the show was based around being fun to watch, which it was. And Ami was actually a really good character, you cant deny she had really dialogues and attitude for a highschooler.
 
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ok, reading carefully OP post, it's even more laughable than i tough...

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Avatar the last airbender is definitely one of the best animes if it was made in Japan. And yet the american writers for the show was their first time making an animated tv series.


avatar was made by those guys...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dante_DiMartino
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Konietzko
funded by fucking this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelodeon_Animation_Studio

sure it was their first fully animated series, but totaly not a sucidal cheap making shit by unreliable people... lOl

not to mention how many japan influence on it...

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Then you have castlevania which shows alot of potential to be an amazing upcoming animated series.

castelvania even more japan influenced, since it was originaly adapted for japanese game, even the producer still crediting japanese original wirter as their principal writer...
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Look out guys we got a Lit major up in here...
 
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> Doesn't like Steins Gate
> Enjoy Toradora

Taste type confirmed.

 
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HyperL said:
It's more like

You give Toradora a 8 while giving Steins;Gate a freaking 2 and you think you can say shit about the industry?

Please check your privilege XD

Toradora is at least an enjoyable anime that made me laugh more than once. Steins gate isnt intelligent as people say it is and the humor is based around bad jokes that you would find on reddit.


Yeah, how funny it was everytime MC was brutally punched in the gut.
Nah, I'll happily stay with my banter humor thank you very much.

I can't believe I'm doing this but...
@tragedydesu, I summon your tsundere hating ass to the battleground... Oh wait, you're already here XD
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SuperRed said:
You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.
Judging the whole anime industry for having seen the retarded MAL's top LUL
 
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You only have 20 completions, you gave Steins Gate 2 and you dropped Cowboy Bebop. So your opinion doesn't matter. ー_ー
 
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REALLY?! You guys criticize me thinking avatar is good because of nostalgia but think cowboy bebop is amazing? One of the most generic sci bounty hunter cool guy shooters, I have ever seen.
 
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You're speaking as if your opinion is factual lol. If you didn't like a top-rated anime, like Steins;Gate for example, then that's on you, not on the anime. Just because your opinion differs from most of the community here does not mean that the community here is wrong and that you shouldn't take 'them seriously' (for that specific reason) lol.. I'm on the same boat as you, in the sense where there are some top rated anime that I personally did not enjoy as much as everyone else, and you don't see me complaining about how I think this community is dumb for having it top-rated. That doesn't mean that your opinion is necessarily wrong, but to make a thread about it is a bit petty lol.


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Um, maybe you should try watching more anime, that's an idea.
Baccano! is heavily underrated
 
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You're speaking as if your opinion is factual lol. If you didn't like a top-rated anime, like Steins;Gate for example, then that's on you, not on the anime. Just because your opinion differs from most of the community here does not mean that the community here is wrong and that you shouldn't take 'them seriously' (for that specific reason) lol.. I'm on the same boat as you, in the sense where there are some top rated anime that I personally did not enjoy as much as everyone else, and you don't see me complaining about how I think this community is dumb for having it top-rated. That doesn't mean that your opinion is necessarily wrong, but to make a thread about it is a bit petty lol.

This thread was suppose to be about how japanese make far worse writers than americans. Ignoring hollywood movies though, most are trash.
 
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SuperRed said:
You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.


First of all, that's a retarded statement. I can find more than a hundred shows outside the top rated ones which are more or less better.
 
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Because the writer is often the same guy drawing it and being good at drawing doesn't automatically make you a good writer.
 
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kingraptor724 said:

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.


First of all, that's a retarded statement. I can find more than a hundred shows outside the top rated ones which are more or less better.

I believe you, so lets make room by removing garbage like gintama, kimi no na wa, and steins gate off the top.
 
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@kingraptor724 I alost mentionned Ami-chan, she's the only character I could wrap my head around, and she deserved a better anime. There's an episode in the later half where she appears like 5s and looks bored as fuck by the main characters' shit. I suspect the director was poking fun at me here (^:
 
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kingraptor724 said:
Omkar_Nagwade said:


First of all, that's a retarded statement. I can find more than a hundred shows outside the top rated ones which are more or less better.

I believe you, so lets make room by removing garbage like gintama, kimi no na wa, and steins gate off the top.

>OMG, people liking what i dislike... what a hareshy!

seriously, grow up...
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lmao

well ... i can understand people who enjoyed toradora because ami or minori (also the mc is not a bad character)
but the presence of taiga is enough to turn a flawless masterpiece to a 1/10
 
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You're speaking as if your opinion is factual lol. If you didn't like a top-rated anime, like Steins;Gate for example, then that's on you, not on the anime. Just because your opinion differs from most of the community here does not mean that the community here is wrong and that you shouldn't take 'them seriously' (for that specific reason) lol.. I'm on the same boat as you, in the sense where there are some top rated anime that I personally did not enjoy as much as everyone else, and you don't see me complaining about how I think this community is dumb for having it top-rated. That doesn't mean that your opinion is necessarily wrong, but to make a thread about it is a bit petty lol.

This thread was suppose to be about how japanese make far worse writers than americans. Ignoring hollywood movies though, most are trash.


But by saying that you're already drawing a line of objectivity upon the quality of writing between the two cultures.

I for one find the stuff of anime and japanese games to be much more entertaining then most western stuff.
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Do you even know how hard it is to write a good dialogue/character/plot? Besides Japanese dialogues often sound unnatural to most foreigners but that doesn't necessarily mean that all of them are bad.
 
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kingraptor724 said:
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You're speaking as if your opinion is factual lol. If you didn't like a top-rated anime, like Steins;Gate for example, then that's on you, not on the anime. Just because your opinion differs from most of the community here does not mean that the community here is wrong and that you shouldn't take 'them seriously' (for that specific reason) lol.. I'm on the same boat as you, in the sense where there are some top rated anime that I personally did not enjoy as much as everyone else, and you don't see me complaining about how I think this community is dumb for having it top-rated. That doesn't mean that your opinion is necessarily wrong, but to make a thread about it is a bit petty lol.

This thread was suppose to be about how japanese make far worse writers than americans. Ignoring hollywood movies though, most are trash.

What?that is a really dumb and ignorant statement. That's literally an opinion(even though it's a dumb one).
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>Implying Steins;Gate deserves a medal for its writing.

Maybe I was too busy cringing at the cliché harem cast, cheap meta jokes and stupid events (eat veggies if you want girls, MALers) to notice the finesse of the writing.


When did I say the writing was good? There are plenty of issues with the anime's script, and I can attest to that. But saying he never even laughed once is fucking mind blowing. But then again, your spat is coming from a NGE fan. I have nothing more to say.

@kingraptor724... saying Cowboy Bebop is generic is an insult to the industry. You're right, maybe you shouldn't watch anymore anime. Stick to your 'better written' Western cartoons.
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lmao

well ... i can understand people who enjoyed toradora because ami or minori (also the mc is not a bad character)
but the presence of taiga is enough to turn a flawless masterpiece to a 1/10

I hold your opinion above others for agreeing the chimera ant arc completely ruined HxH. That was the dumbest shit ever that people love.
 
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sure lets judge anime based on what western people who dont share the same taste as me, what they like and what they rated highly and think anime is shit

while im at it, american cartoon is shit, i mean shows like Simpsons and family guy are so clearly unfunny but they get so many seasons and so many people liek it

american cartoon is therefore, worse than japanese cartoons according to my twisted and OBJECTIVE opinion
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kingraptor724 said:
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You and your 20 completions sure gives your opinion a lot of weight.

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.


The top of MAL isn't considered to be a 'heralding beacon' of quality or anything like that. You do realize that, right?

 
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I noticed a trend around MAL, people think that simply mentioning buzzwords and speaking about writing and quality while never forming proper arguments makes them somehow smart, like what? I do not understand how can someone talk about writing, and then whenever an argument pops up start using stuff like "fun to watch" or "funny" as if they held any meaning in a thread that is supposed to be about yet again... writing. On top of that there is nothing as amusing as screaming at how the top on MAL is bad while giving code geass, a show with more holes than a lesbian orgy a 9/10, again, what? I really do not like to play a pseudo-critic and a elitist of a sort but come the fuck on, you guys are so fucking dumb it is not even funny.
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Really? A lot? Apparently @EcchiKingMamster is so fat he skews statistics.
 
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InsaneLeader13 said:
kingraptor724 said:

If you noticed alot of my list is animes on top of MAL, so it doesnt take like 400 animes to realize this is the best anime Japan can bring out.


The top of MAL isn't considered to be a 'heralding beacon' of quality or anything like that. You do realize that, right?

Yeah I take that comment back because I realized how much utter shiteee is in top 10 alone.
 
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Toradora was fine till they went into the love triangle bs, if they had kept the original plot (of helping each other with their friends) it would have been far better
 
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Steins Gate is one of the animes that actually makes me think I shouldnt take MAL ratings seriously at all. I dont recall even laughing once, or finding the pseudo science even slightly interesting.


Correction. It's called Science-Fiction not Pseudoscience. As someone who has a fetish for Science-Fiction stories, and as someone who has re-watched the show countless times to find plot holes and to figure out the science behind it makes sense, I can guarantee you that S;G has one of the most scientifically accurate interpretation of possible backwards time travel in anime...no any show. Only movies like Interstellar are more scientifically accurate.

If you find time travel uninteresting then that's just your taste, the show didn't fail to pique your interest, you just have different interests.

More importantly, I highly disagree with your assertion that 'Japanese writing' sucks. If you haven't seen shows like Space Brothers, Planetes, Spice and Wolf, Bakuman, Rakugo, LOTGH, Death Note, Sangatsu no Lion, Code Geass, Ghost in the Shell, Fate/Zero, Oregairu, Samurai Champloo, Terror in Resonance, Mob Psycho 100 or any Ghibli/Makoto Shinkai film then you have no right to even assert that American shows are better.

Avatar, Samurai Jack, Regular show etc., are all 'well-written' (whatever that means) but that doesn't make American cartoons any better. In fact most of them are highly similar/generic because cartoons are targeted squarely at children. Anime is the only medium that expresses a huge dynamic array of genres through 2D animation. From Hentai to Sci-fi.

If you take a scoop of water from the ocean you can't then conclude that whales do not exist. You need a bigger sample. Start watching the shows I've listed here and then see whether or not Japanese writing is worse.
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I noticed a trend around MAL, people think that simply mentioning buzzwords and speaking about writing and quality while never forming proper arguments makes them somehow smart, like what? I do not understand how can someone talk about writing, and then whenever an argument pops up start using stuff like "fun to watch" or "funny" as if they held any meaning in a thread that is supposed to be about yet again... writing. On top of that there is nothing as amusing as screaming at how the top on MAL is bad while giving code geass, a show with more holes than a lesbian orgy a 9/10, again, what? I really do not like to play a pseudo-critic and a elitist of a sort but come the fuck on, you guys are so fucking dumb it is not even funny.




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