Katsugeki/Touken Ranbu Episode 11 Discussion

Smudy said:
I like the clash of two different loyalties, i do side with Izuminokami though here.

They have a job to do and they won't even be able to follow their master with doing jobs in different timelines. Izuminokami was satisfied to see his master again and that's about it, he accepted this fate. Their master also lived for his people, never for himself, therefore it wouldn't be the life he wanted if he didn't have to fight for them anymore.

Tonbo_213 said:

Also, I also heard somewhere that Ufotable will only produce season 2 there is enough sales from the season 1. Since K/TKRB Bluray Sales aren't that performing well, I guess we won't be able to see another subplot for the series (I really want to see the revisionists or the KBCs)

Loyalty06 said:
I really understand Horikawa here. I don't know if you guys read Peacemaker, Shinsengumi are the mains there and they have this one historical scene when Hijikata cut his own friend for defecting, for having a different vale than protecting the Bakufu. It was very emotional since Hijikata was very much in pain during the whole execution. He was known as the demon vice commander for being strict in his lead and even with his comrades. never tolerating betrayals.

Then the Battle of Hakodate happened. It was a really hopeless battle for Hijikata but the enemy could not even respect the way of the warrior and they were gunned down. Remnants of Shinsengumi came with swords but against guns.... That relates to Horikawa's and Izuminokami's battle quotes in the game, "Let's go to a battle without guns or cannons." and why they don't get along with Mutsu in the game.

I completely understand Horikawa's stand in that the loyalty Hijikata practiced was the cause of his downfall, and what's Kane-san is doing right now. But at the same time, Izuminokami is also in the right in the sense that Hijikata chose the way of the warrior as his life and he remained himself until the end. Still, since he was not there at his dying moments like Horikawa, he probably did not know that Hijikata suffered with extreme regret during his final moments in Hakodate. In Drifters, Hijikata was portrayed as such.

Really really good drama between them.

Tonbo_213 said:
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
That cliffhanger is really angsty af lmaoooo

However, I guess the series will only have 1 season only because it is dealing the characters' conflict, which is the different perspective of loyalties towards Hijikata. So once they already resolve that, the series might end.

Also, I also heard somewhere that Ufotable will only produce season 2 there is enough sales from the season 1. Since K/TKRB Bluray Sales aren't that performing well, I guess we won't be able to see another subplot for the series (I really want to see the revisionists or the KBCs)

Loyalty06 said:
I really understand Horikawa here. I don't know if you guys read Peacemaker, Shinsengumi are the mains there and they have this one historical scene when Hijikata cut his own friend for defecting, for having a different vale than protecting the Bakufu. It was very emotional since Hijikata was very much in pain during the whole execution. He was known as the demon vice commander for being strict in his lead and even with his comrades. never tolerating betrayals.

Then the Battle of Hakodate happened. It was a really hopeless battle for Hijikata but the enemy could not even respect the way of the warrior and they were gunned down. Remnants of Shinsengumi came with swords but against guns.... That relates to Horikawa's and Izuminokami's battle quotes in the game, "Let's go to a battle without guns or cannons." and why they don't get along with Mutsu in the game.

I completely understand Horikawa's stand in that the loyalty Hijikata practiced was the cause of his downfall, and what's Kane-san is doing right now. But at the same time, Izuminokami is also in the right in the sense that Hijikata chose the way of the warrior as his life and he remained himself until the end. Still, since he was not there at his dying moments like Horikawa, he probably did not know that Hijikata suffered with extreme regret during his final moments in Hakodate. In Drifters, Hijikata was portrayed as such.

Really really good drama between them.

Loyalty06 said:
I really understand Horikawa here. I don't know if you guys read Peacemaker, Shinsengumi are the mains there and they have this one historical scene when Hijikata cut his own friend for defecting, for having a different vale than protecting the Bakufu. It was very emotional since Hijikata was very much in pain during the whole execution. He was known as the demon vice commander for being strict in his lead and even with his comrades. never tolerating betrayals.

Then the Battle of Hakodate happened. It was a really hopeless battle for Hijikata but the enemy could not even respect the way of the warrior and they were gunned down. Remnants of Shinsengumi came with swords but against guns.... That relates to Horikawa's and Izuminokami's battle quotes in the game, "Let's go to a battle without guns or cannons." and why they don't get along with Mutsu in the game.

I completely understand Horikawa's stand in that the loyalty Hijikata practiced was the cause of his downfall, and what's Kane-san is doing right now. But at the same time, Izuminokami is also in the right in the sense that Hijikata chose the way of the warrior as his life and he remained himself until the end. Still, since he was not there at his dying moments like Horikawa, he probably did not know that Hijikata suffered with extreme regret during his final moments in Hakodate. In Drifters, Hijikata was portrayed as such.

Really really good drama between them.

Smudy said:
I like the clash of two different loyalties, i do side with Izuminokami though here.

They have a job to do and they won't even be able to follow their master with doing jobs in different timelines. Izuminokami was satisfied to see his master again and that's about it, he accepted this fate. Their master also lived for his people, never for himself, therefore it wouldn't be the life he wanted if he didn't have to fight for them anymore.

MagnaMoon said:
Umm, why was Kunihiro being stupid... I get that feelings and all but still.

commander31able said:
is that a bolt-action rifle that Tetsunosuke is holding? in Japan in the 1860s?

jyuminhannah said:
To be frank, this episode played with clashing morals inside of me. On one hand, I completely sympathise with Horikawa and understand how painful it was to have firsthand witnessed his master's death, and his desire and determination to do anything to prevent it. However, on the other more objective viewpoint I would support Kane-san in this because even if it does him satisfaction to save his master ultimately history would be completely rewritten and Horikawa might not even exist in the human body that he was granted. I understand it being Horikawa he would probably be like "even if it means I don't get this body I'm fine as long as Hijikata-san lives on" but as Mutsunokami pointed out, eventually Hijikata would probably suffer a terrible death either way by execution, imprisonment, exile (if that was a thing back there correct me if I'm wrong) or life-long humiliation. Forgive me if this sounds harsh and this is purely my own belief, but seeing as Hijikata's death was probably inevitable given his critical role in the Shinsengumi, I believe that his death in Hakodate spared him from whatever torture or humiliation that awaited him had he survived.

miyako1909 said:


Saito Hajime, the captain of the third unit of Shinsengumi, survived the war and became a police officer with the permission to carry Katana and the captain of second unit, Nagakura Shinpachi lived a peaceful life with his wife until 76 so we cannot know what would happen to Hijikata if he survived Hakodate.

miyako1909 said:


Bolt-action rifle was produced in 1824 .

Loyalty06 said:
I really understand Horikawa here. I don't know if you guys read Peacemaker, Shinsengumi are the mains there and they have this one historical scene when Hijikata cut his own friend for defecting, for having a different vale than protecting the Bakufu. It was very emotional since Hijikata was very much in pain during the whole execution. He was known as the demon vice commander for being strict in his lead and even with his comrades. never tolerating betrayals.

Then the Battle of Hakodate happened. It was a really hopeless battle for Hijikata but the enemy could not even respect the way of the warrior and they were gunned down. Remnants of Shinsengumi came with swords but against guns.... That relates to Horikawa's and Izuminokami's battle quotes in the game, "Let's go to a battle without guns or cannons." and why they don't get along with Mutsu in the game.

I completely understand Horikawa's stand in that the loyalty Hijikata practiced was the cause of his downfall, and what's Kane-san is doing right now. But at the same time, Izuminokami is also in the right in the sense that Hijikata chose the way of the warrior as his life and he remained himself until the end. Still, since he was not there at his dying moments like Horikawa, he probably did not know that Hijikata suffered with extreme regret during his final moments in Hakodate. In Drifters, Hijikata was portrayed as such.

Really really good drama between them.

ZoroZoldyck said:
Idk.. Not feeling it much.

I just feel like there is drama for the sake of drama.. There's no plot.
This is the problem of the adaption of games.. They just go round and round.

WolfWood37 said:
Oh Kunihiro you absolute DUMB FUCK!

So you want to save him to die by beheading or rot the rest of his life in jail then? Or change him into something else, but if you do he's no longer the Hijikata you were so loyal to?

There is no good outcome here Kunhiro. You are going to die for nothing.

miyako1909 said:


Saito Hajime, the captain of the third unit of Shinsengumi, survived the war and became a police officer with the permission to carry Katana and the captain of second unit, Nagakura Shinpachi lived a peaceful life with his wife until 76 so we cannot know what would happen to Hijikata if he survived Hakodate.