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| You are late like "some time" for salt threads about Kimi no na wa. AssortedEmotions said: Just pisses me off that garbage like FMAB is rated so highly. Fixed that for ya. |
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| Someone already address the plot hole for the first one. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1596378#msg49850663 -EDIT- Rotten Tomatoes give it a high score. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/your_name_2017/ |
ZapredonSep 4, 2017 1:46 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Never seen it....not interested in seeing it.... Looks boring and uninteresting. |
| All I know is that it is way worse than Byousoku 5 Centimeter and Kotonoha no Niwa but yet it has higher scores. |
AssortedEmotions said: Avatar1234321 said: Dude some people liked it and others didn't. That's all there is to it. I'd give it a 7/10 or 8/10 at most, I preferred 'A Silent Voice'. I'm not saying that it's wrong for people to like it. But critics are supposed to be critical and use their critical thinking skills to criticize what they're paid to critique. Is it wrong to be frustrated that these people failed to do their jobs and instead blindly praised garbage? Is it wrong to want people to express enough intelligence to apply some measure of critical thinking to what they watch, even if it's "critically acclaimed"? Even if it's a "turn your mind off" kind of entertainment, there are limits. Do you really think that critics put that much care on petty inconsistencies of the narration that are more of a matter of suspension of disbelief than anything else? I can see how reasonable your points are but the experience of Your name is much larger than that, and given that they agree that doesn't mean they agree with you about their relevance. |
| It's frankly down to a whole lot of factors, ranging from accessibility to mass appeal, above average visuals, godly music, and the general bias that animated stories are for children and then out comes one of the "few" that adults can enjoy (probably hence the non-anime specific critics you seem to have problems with tending to overrate it). We may never know. And I prefer not to stress about it. Kimi no Na Wa serves as a good gateway anime and I'm fine with it's place on MAL, as much as I disagree with it. |
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| Because plot holes are overrated, they really don't mean much if you like the show. And that's what happened with Kimi no Na wa, a lot of people liked it because of the feels, like many anime that are in the top ranks like Steins;Gate and even FMA:B to a degree. Then again if your idea of critic is just people analyzing the plot then I find your view rather limited. There's no critic worth taking seriously that would call Kimi no Na wa garbage, but I also have no idea of which critics you are talking about. ahoyanen said: Yeah, I agree. I believe a lot of the difference is in the amount of hype the different shows had since Makoto Shinkai wasn't as well known back then. Moreover there's also the fact that in Kimi no Na wa the couple actually ends up together which is a big + for many people, unlike 5 cm which might have left many people disappointed by the bittersweet ending.All I know is that it is way worse than Byousoku 5 Centimeter and Kotonoha no Niwa but yet it has higher scores. |
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AssortedEmotions said: jal90 said: Do you really think that critics put that much care on petty inconsistencies of the narration that are more of a matter of suspension of disbelief than anything else? I can see how reasonable your points are but the experience of Your name is much larger than that, and given that they agree that doesn't mean they agree with you about their relevance. What is this larger experience, then? Emotional appeal through cliche melodrama? The sort of stuff we've seen many times before, in simpler formats without such gaping plot holes? Suspension of disbelief requires some measure of believability in the first place. Is it being "complicated" supposed to excuse the fact that its "complicity" is only attained through those plot holes? If not for those, it would follow the same cookie-cutter formula as many poorly rated anime. Your first and third examples are not even plotholes. They are inconsistencies that can very well be ignored because we are in a fictional story and we can assume that things work in a different way, that is convenient for the emotional discourse of the movie. A plothole is something that affects the internal coherence of the story, not something that is decided by applying external coherence and comparing fiction with how it should be if it happened in reality. Is it less of a failure? Probably not. But if you don't understand that people don't observe fiction through the exact same precise way you do no wonder you get frustrated by critics. The second plothole, by the way, doesn't even qualify as an inconsistency. I don't remember any written rule about that matter in the movie. Emotional appeal through cliche melodrama? Yes and through aesthetics which is a very relevant part of any Makoto Shinkai film you are leaving behind here. The mere idea of observing his work as something purely narrative or character driven is something I'll stand against all the time. |
| because its a "the feels" anime... and those always are rated higher |
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| My guess would be because it was visually impressive but also has a time travel related theme to its plot which everyone at the time loved Re Zero, Erased and Charlotte then there is also the fact older time travel related works from the past are also popular |
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you will not regret this decision people are just crazy about time travel anime there is not even a single creative thing about this movie |
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| What's the point of this? ALL POPULAR SHOWS OR MOVIES ARE OVERRATED AND GARBAGE anyway. |
| And why do you think SAO is very popular ? Because both are trash and any trash show will receive so much love from the edgy people |
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| I still prefer Koe No Katachi though after reading the source material i finally found it the adaptation is kinda rushed. Your Name? i am not sure whats so special about it though.. Drama,Romance,Supernatural,Tragedy. Thats it. |
| Well, for once, it has unique story. Anything involving time bending/time travel is always interesting. I prefer Koe no Katachi simply because I can relate more to the characters. Kimi no Na Wa is good because it has unique story and plot twist. It's new and original in a way. If you're a casual and just want to watch something interesting with great visuals, Kimi no na wa fits the bill. |
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| Cause Kimi no Na Wa is so fuckin Overrated at MAL. And popular cause its #1 at MAL. (Now #2 btw). People like to try top anime. And stop comparing Kimi no Na Wa and Koe no Katachi. Of course Koe no Katachi is better than Kimi no Na Wa. |
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Guranto-kun said: What's the point of this? ALL POPULAR SHOWS OR MOVIES ARE OVERRATED AND GARBAGE anyway. ahh... uhh... are you sure about that? |
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Kuma said: Guranto-kun said: What's the point of this? ALL POPULAR SHOWS OR MOVIES ARE OVERRATED AND GARBAGE anyway. ahh... uhh... are you sure about that? You can check all popular shows and you'll see tons of "overrated" and "garbage". |
you mean series like >FMA:b >Steins;Gate >Fate/Zero >RE:Zero >Shingeki no Kyojin >Boku dake ga Inai Machi >Prison School >One Punch Man >Psycho-Pass >Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. >Death Note >Berserk >Akame ga Kill! >D.Gray-man >Tokyo Ghoul shows like this? yeah, agreed TBH... |
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| Because the movie was really enjoyable and made you feel warm inside. |
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| It was something new. Tbh, I preferred The Shape of Voice. |
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S-quare22 said: and any trash show will receive so much love from the edgy people Thats bullshit, just look at the FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate all of them are edgy shows and all overrated by edgy people. |
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Swagernator said: S-quare22 said: and any trash show will receive so much love from the edgy people Thats bullshit, just look at the FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate all of them are edgy shows and all overrated by edgy people. Oh Boi.. all the anime that you have mentioned are my favorite anime ;-; But at least they are a bit better than SAO and your name |
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| Honestly this makes enough sense to me. Think about it: -Teen romance -Male and female leads given pretty much equal attention -Enough action to hook young males -Enough emotional drama to hook young females -Plenty of teen-grade comedic breaks revolving around sexuality and gender dissonance -Supernatural plot elements make it stand out in their minds from similar stories -Now they can still like cartoons without worrying that adults will think they are children for doing so (fun fact for any teens: some people don't grow up too well and it doesn't have to do with liking or disliking cartoons.) On the matter of critics (assuming they weren't payed off of course) most people who are smart enough to reach the level of critical thinking you seem to expect (that is enough to override emotional manipulation more often than not) end up with a better job than writing reviews and hoping enough people care for them to make end's meat. To some degree they're more inclined to follow the crowd because disagreeing too much risks them losing their audience to other reviewers who say what the audience wants to hear, thus risking their job. Zapredon said: Someone already address the plot hole for the first one. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1596378#msg49850663 I honestly fail to see how this post successfully addresses any plot holes. AllTsunNoDere said: 1) At no point did either of them see/hear the date and realize they were living 3 years in the past/future. A bit hard to swallow but whatever. 2) They never tried to text or call each other to discuss what was happening until he decides to go see her, and were content with just leaving notes in each others diary. I have a hard time believing people going through this wouldn't want to be directly talking to each other about it, but again, whatever. 3) The worst one: how do you expect me to believe the boy never even took the time to find out what town he was living his alternate life in? Not only does he not attempt to find out, but the school he spends most of his time in is literally called "Itomori High School" and he still couldn't make this connection. Also +1 vote to Koe no Katachi being better, though I still felt it was severely lacking in character and story exploration even without having read the manga beforehand. I feel it would have worked way better as a TV series. I wasn't a huge fan of its ending either. Anyhow, those in Kimi no Na wa's fanbase shouldn't worry so much about people talking about its flaws. Everything is flawed in some way, and since people have different ways of seeing things everyone can find flaws where anyone else finds none, and vice versa. Being a fan of anything means accepting that either you could find no flaws or (much more often) that the flaws don't matter to you because what you get out of it makes the flaws unimportant or irrelevant to you. By all means debate as much as you want, but not everyone turns their brain off to watch, or is willing to suspend disbelief as much or as little as anyone else. |
| Someone already said it but you're really late for this @Xaelath It's a fun thing that i've read Koe no Katachi's manga before knowing that it would be adapted into a movie and still think that the movie is way better. It's just that the direction was really something else, and it helped that they got ride of a lot of stuff i didn't like (like the 'let's do a movie' subplot) and maintained things i liked (mostly Ueno scenes) @S-quare22 The edgy one are guys who still rant on SAO. Like, it's 2017 already.... |
| Milking the franchise doesn't do GOOD... PLEB >Still "Fun" to rant it.. by how salty fag you are in the crappy fanbase |
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| Good grief, this thread is going to go on isn't it? Curious though OP, which critics do you mean? I hope you don't mean MAL because a cursory glance at the reviews tell a different story. Tsukihiko said: @Xaelath It's a fun thing that i've read Koe no Katachi's manga before knowing that it would be adapted into a movie and still think that the movie is way better. It's just that the direction was really something else, and it helped that they got ride of a lot of stuff i didn't like (like the 'let's do a movie' subplot) and maintained things i liked (mostly Ueno scenes) + 1 This |
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le_halfhand_easy said: Good grief, this thread is going to go on isn't it? Curious though OP, which critics do you mean? I hope you don't mean MAL because a cursory glance at the reviews tell a different story. Tsukihiko said: @Xaelath It's a fun thing that i've read Koe no Katachi's manga before knowing that it would be adapted into a movie and still think that the movie is way better. It's just that the direction was really something else, and it helped that they got ride of a lot of stuff i didn't like (like the 'let's do a movie' subplot) and maintained things i liked (mostly Ueno scenes) + 1 This Well i was hoping some explanation behind the conclusion. The Manga also have some dragging moments such as lets do a movie? (Really?) Even later they bring the movie to critics. |
Kuma said: you mean series like >FMA:b >Steins;Gate >Fate/Zero >RE:Zero >Shingeki no Kyojin >Boku dake ga Inai Machi >Prison School >One Punch Man >Psycho-Pass >Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. >Death Note >Berserk >Akame ga Kill! >D.Gray-man >Tokyo Ghoul shows like this? yeah, agreed TBH... Yup there are more, er I mean its more like ALL. You see ALL popular shows are like that, be it Anime, anime movies, Real life movies and TV series they're all Overrated and Garbage. < you always see this stuff in all popular shows and yes that includes Gintama, Mushishi and Natsume all overrated and garbage. |
Swagernator said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people, which is literally what he said. S-quare22 said: and any trash show will receive so much love from the edgy people Thats bullshit, just look at the FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate all of them are edgy shows and all overrated by edgy people. Other edgy shows for edgy people are Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kizumonogatari I: Tekketsu-hen, Trigun and Fate/stay night. |
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zal said: Swagernator said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people, which is literally what he said. Thats bullshit, just look at the FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate all of them are edgy shows and all overrated by edgy people. Other edgy shows for edgy people are Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kizumonogatari I: Tekketsu-hen, Trigun and Fate/stay night. It doesn't matter, in the end all popular shows are auto: overrated and garbage. I bet next year when a new extremely popular anime that most people like will get comments and reviews like "overrated" and "garbage". You don't need to brace yourselves and you don't to expect it because its coming. Its automatic: Overrated. Garbage. Two words. |
zal said: Swagernator said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people, which is literally what he said.Thats bullshit, just look at the FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate all of them are edgy shows and all overrated by edgy people. Your name has mainstream appeal and she said that it was popular due to appealing to edgy people. She's fundamentally wrong. |
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zal said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people. You need to learn what edgy means, and when it use it, SAO its overrated same as Kimi no na wa, but their fans are not edgy people. |
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Guranto-kun said: While I disagree with calling them garbage, popular shows are overrated simply because of the hype culture and average age of anime fans.zal said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people, which is literally what he said. Other edgy shows for edgy people are Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kizumonogatari I: Tekketsu-hen, Trigun and Fate/stay night. It doesn't matter, in the end all popular shows are auto: overrated and garbage. I bet next year when a new extremely popular anime that most people like will get comments and reviews like "overrated" and "garbage". You don't need to brace yourselves and you don't to expect it because its coming. Its automatic: Overrated. Garbage. Two words. jal90 said: Having mainstream appeal and appealing to edgy people are not mutually exclusive, especially in the anime community.zal said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people, which is literally what he said. Your name has mainstream appeal and she said that it was popular due to appealing to edgy people. She's fundamentally wrong. However I said that they were saying the same thing because it seems like Swagernator considers those shows trash like S-quare22 considers Kimi no Na wa trash. They are literally saying the same thing even if they mean different shows. Swagernator said: Are you a fan of Kimi no Na wa?zal said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people. You need to learn what edgy means, and when it use it, SAO its overrated same as Kimi no na wa, but their fans are not edgy people. |
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| Yeah, I wonder the same, how can so many people completely ignore all those plot holes, seem like japanese critics did and that's the reason despite being such a box office gigantic, it didn't won any major awards in japan, In this corner of the world did :D |
| Honestly the plot holes did not bother as much, what bothered me is that I did not feel that 9.35 score. I expected to be really touched, or to be crying in the floor or some shit. However when it finished I was like -huh, yeah, ok, this was nice-. But back on the topic of plot holes: Dude, I don't think you are not supposed to watch it like that, trying to make sense to everything and shit. It is a movie to sit back and enjoy. I agree that it is overrated as fuck, but that doesn't make it garbage. |
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| Well its a really good movie and the majority seems to agree, sooo stay salty i guess? Lml |
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zal said: Are you a fan of Kimi no Na wa? Wouldn't say fan, but i had nothing against it. But i have no problem say that yes it is overrated, not only here but in Japan as well. |
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Swagernator said: How can it be that the most popular and well rated shows around (FMAB, MHA, Code Geass, Death Note, SnK, Gintama, Steins Gate) are loved by edgy people while Kimi no Na wa is very popular and the second best rated show but while not being loved by edgy people? zal said: Why are you saying it's bullshit? All of them receive much love from what you call edgy people. You need to learn what edgy means, and when it use it, SAO its overrated same as Kimi no na wa, but their fans are not edgy people. If you understand what I mean the numbers don't add up, same for SAO: some of SAO fans are also Steins;Gate fans. Do they stop being edgy people based on what show we are talking about? |
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