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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Really fun episode! I love Nina decided to dress up and infiltrate the ball. She looked great too imo with her dress and tiara. I'm not surprised that how daring she is when Nina just walked up right to the host and requested a dance with him. The dance itself was also looked like a lot of fun :D Kinda interesting to see Favaro got into some drama with Charioce. A punch right to the face! ED art  |
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| This romance subplot is like something that came out of Twilight. It's so bad. Why couldn't we just get fun adventure like we did in Genesis? Why shoehorn this garbage melodrama? This new writer was a mistake, and I hope she never touches anime again. |
| Charioce is pushing Nina away for her own good. Definitely has to do with his plan (he probably doesn't want her killed or suffering). That dance once again was very nice. Also Favaro gets to shine a bit more in this episode! |
| Best thing about this episode is the last 10s or so (would be nice if it came true ). Episode was okay with some decent moments, even tho i hate Nina and that king guy. |
| This show has lost its way somewhat in the last couple of episodes. I've never really invested in the romance partly due to Charioce being a total douche. It's also suffers from keeping nearly the whole story in one city and doesn't have that sense of adventure the first series had. I still like Nina, Favaro and the others though, hopefully next weeks will be an improvement. |
| Welcome to the Ballroom looks different this week. Honestly I never really got attached to this romance thing between Nina and Charioce. There were some moments here and there throughout the show so far that I've kind of liked (like the dance scene in this episode), but it feels like it's taking over instead of showing other stuff. Hopefully, given how this episode played out and the way it ended, we get less romance and more action in this final stretch. |
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| The first half was so cute again, Nina looked so nice in her dress and the dance with Charioce was magical, I still like the first one more, tho. And what was bound to happen, happened. Nina got hurt by Charioce.He's obviously faking everything, but to see Nina like that did hurt :/ |
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Crashmatt said: It's also suffers from keeping nearly the whole story in one city and doesn't have that sense of adventure the first series had. Yeah that's my problem with this series too. I liked the first half up until Azazel was caught, I was hoping that something would happen outside the city and that the focus would shift from Charioce as the main "villain", but it didn't go like that. I still think it's a good anime, however it can't compete with the first season, it feels more like a spin-off. |
| As others have said, Charioce is definitely faking it as he doesn't want Nina to get hurt. There was that fun dance. I liked the way Nina walked up and invited Charioce to the dance. |
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thebrentinator24 said: Welcome to the Ballroom looks different this week. Honestly I never really got attached to this romance thing between Nina and Charioce. There were some moments here and there throughout the show so far that I've kind of liked (like the dance scene in this episode), but it feels like it's taking over instead of showing other stuff. Hopefully, given how this episode played out and the way it ended, we get less romance and more action in this final stretch. I agree wholeheartedly. The whole romance thing felt completely contrived to me. |
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| The romance with Nina and Charioce is bringing the show down. I honestly don't care much for it. Their dancing was nice though and she looks pretty in her dress. She was heartbroken after he told her they shouldn't see each other again. The plan didn't go right and now a bounty hunter is going to try to kill Nina. Looking forward to see their fight. |
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| lol at people looking for adventure, season 1 does not have that many adventures too anyway and it has less episodes than this season Nina got dumped by Charioce and now she is gonna face a monster bounty hunter |
Mouloxas said: First of all, the CGI crowds look absolutely atrocious. This has been a thing for a while now, but they way overdid it in this episode. Seriously, how can they make this look so disgusting and ugly and why do they have so many CGI scenes in the first place? Even the normal art looks off in some instances. Have they run out of budget or something? GreenEmu said: This romance subplot is like something that came out of Twilight. It's so bad. Why shoehorn this garbage melodrama? This new writer was a mistake, and I hope she never touches anime again. My thoughts EXACTLY. I would go as far as to say we have found a worse love story than Twilight. And with your post as my basis, i will go on a massive rant about this season of Bahamut. I thought that today we could have a cool episode, infiltration mission to steal the king's bracelet and all that, maybe have some cool action, maybe some fights, everything that we didn't get in other words. What we did get was the stupidest romance off all time reaching a new low point, and the funniest thing is that this will definitely get even worse. We got a sorry excuse of a Cinderella story (she even left her shoes behind ffs) with a king that is just a cold hearted, stone faced psychopath that just wants to murder everyone, who we know nothing about, and even if we do get his backstory and his motivations, there is no salvaging his character. His Cinderella, a 15 year old horny girl that can or can't transform into a dragon (depending on what suits the plot) and can't control her lust for five seconds. I was begging for Favaro to shoot her and kill the king like he suggested, but obviously that never happened. This episode is everything that has been wrong with Virgin Soul in a nutshell. From the start of this show, there was no saving Charioce as a character the moment they decided to have him in a romance with Nina, give him motivations, depth, development. Because by doing that they are trying to justify his inexcusable actions. Because the only way he could ever work is by being a plot device, someone to be the antithesis to Kaisar's philosophies and political ideas and then build Kaisar's character up from that point, which kinda happened at the beginning, but screw everything we have stupid romance. Seriously, we have this mass murderer that wants to wipe out every race in existence and the writer is trying to convince us that it's okay because he fell in love. They are literally going for the he was the good guy all along ending. Who thought it was a goood idea to have the MC fall in love with a genocidal tyrant? Why would anyone ever think that would be a good romance? I remember reading someone's post saying Charioce is fantasy Hitler. Couldn't be more right. Even though the signs were there from the start that this was going to turn into a shit romance, i ignored them because of the fantastic beginning this season had but alas, here we are now 5 episodes before the end and it looks really bad. Not much to say about Nina, she is here to have varying facial expressions. I thought she would be ignorant for the first half of the show and then see how the king is and change her mindset, but she is too blinded by her love (and her hormones) to see things as they really are. GreenEmu said: Why couldn't we just get fun adventure like we did in Genesis? I know, right? This season has been focusing on all the wrong things. What made Genesis good was the adventure, the lore, and good characters like Favaro and Kaisar who have been pushed to the side and completely ignored at some points in Virgin soul. It definitely wasn't the romance or crazy childlike main heroines. The romance bits with Amira in Genesis weren't even that good (godlike compared to the garbage we have now) so why they made the decision to go down the romance road plotwise is beyond me. Rant over. I hope Azazel can save whatever he can from this season because more or less he is the only good thing that has come out of Virgin Soul. Aren't we being a little too harsh? I for one don't mind the romance. It's pretty cute itself and gives a human side to the othwerwise pretty inhuman king. We still don't know if he is schizofrenic or just playing, his role might be deeper than everyone anticipated and perhaps he has no choice than to dance from side to side to keep his realm intact. So many people throwing dirt on him, I'd call this too early. I do agree that the romance got a little more time than needed. But it just showcases how Nina is naive and inexperienced with her feelings, she's just a alittle girl. Sorry that she ain't your regular killer loli which knows everything about the world and people. I am convinced that from now on we fight and there's not gonna be any space for romance anymore, so lets calm our titties. |
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| Also what the point on Joan D'arc ? She's spent half the series chasing round after El only to loose him again the next episode. When she does find him she just frowns and does nothing. Compared to how she was in the first series they have totally destroyed her character and she has no purpose in this series now. |
| Hopefully that is actually the end for Charioce and Nina. The King has business to do god damn it and he does not need the distraction. Good to osee a driven character for once. Fav is still king of the heap though as best character. |
Mouloxas said: My thoughts EXACTLY. I would go as far as to say we have found a worse love story than Twilight. And with your post as my basis, i will go on a massive rant about this season of Bahamut. I thought that today we could have a cool episode, infiltration mission to steal the king's bracelet and all that, maybe have some cool action, maybe some fights, everything that we didn't get in other words. What we did get was the stupidest romance off all time reaching a new low point, and the funniest thing is that this will definitely get even worse. We got a sorry excuse of a Cinderella story (she even left her shoes behind ffs) with a king that is just a cold hearted, stone faced psychopath that just wants to murder everyone, who we know nothing about, and even if we do get his backstory and his motivations, there is no salvaging his character. His Cinderella, a 15 year old horny girl that can or can't transform into a dragon (depending on what suits the plot) and can't control her lust for five seconds. I was begging for Favaro to shoot her and kill the king like he suggested, but obviously that never happened. This episode is everything that has been wrong with Virgin Soul in a nutshell. From the start of this show, there was no saving Charioce as a character the moment they decided to have him in a romance with Nina, give him motivations, depth, development. Because by doing that they are trying to justify his inexcusable actions. Because the only way he could ever work is by being a plot device, someone to be the antithesis to Kaisar's philosophies and political ideas and then build Kaisar's character up from that point, which kinda happened at the beginning, but screw everything we have stupid romance. Seriously, we have this mass murderer that wants to wipe out every race in existence and the writer is trying to convince us that it's okay because he fell in love. They are literally going for the he was the good guy all along ending. Who thought it was a goood idea to have the MC fall in love with a genocidal tyrant? Why would anyone ever think that would be a good romance? I remember reading someone's post saying Charioce is fantasy Hitler. Couldn't be more right. Even though the signs were there from the start that this was going to turn into a shit romance, i ignored them because of the fantastic beginning this season had but alas, here we are now 5 episodes before the end and it looks really bad. Not much to say about Nina, she is here to have varying facial expressions. I thought she would be ignorant for the first half of the show and then see how the king is and change her mindset, but she is too blinded by her love (and her hormones) to see things as they really are. GreenEmu said: Why couldn't we just get fun adventure like we did in Genesis? I know, right? This season has been focusing on all the wrong things. What made Genesis good was the adventure, the lore, and good characters like Favaro and Kaisar who have been pushed to the side and completely ignored at some points in Virgin soul. It definitely wasn't the romance or crazy childlike main heroines. The romance bits with Amira in Genesis weren't even that good (godlike compared to the garbage we have now) so why they made the decision to go down the romance road plotwise is beyond me. Rant over. I hope Azazel can save whatever he can from this season because more or less he is the only good thing that has come out of Virgin Soul. At last someone who says something that makes sense. I have being thinking that the whole show but have kept running into Charios fangirls/boys or Favaro fanboys/girls (who ignore any plot or character and just want Favaro screen time,what ever the story may be). Indeed,I also hope that Azazel will redeem this anime. |
| I feel like I'm the only one who actually enjoyed this episode xD Oh well! Clearly they are trying to appeal to female audience more this season, and I can't help but like it! Although I hate that Charioce had to say this obvious load of bullshit for some reason (to protect Nina, or whatever?), I can't stand that particular cliche. Still, the dance sequence was absolutely adorable and made me wanna squeeek~ >w<  Plus, even though I still love Charioce, that Favaro Punch was pretty damn satisfying.  Now that Nina's heartbroken, at least she won't hesitate about turning into dragon and interfering Charioce's army with their plan, I guess. And 'sup with Gabriel, she gay for Sofiel lol? Looks like she's slowly going crazy. |
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| I wonder if now that Nina has been rejected so harshly by Charioce she will lose her ability to transform at will again. |
| goddamn nina is so stupid. i have my rant but i will save it for the last episode because ballroom doesn't have any animation and just still image lol |
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| That is so like Nina. To come see Charioce and bluntly ask him to dance. But this time, may be the last since Charioce already got another plan up his sleeve and he also said about no more dance with Nina after this. |
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Crashmatt said: Also what the point on Joan D'arc ? She's spent half the series chasing round after El only to loose him again the next episode. When she does find him she just frowns and does nothing. Compared to how she was in the first series they have totally destroyed her character and she has no purpose in this series now. I'm willing to bet she'll be the next King/Queen, tbh. |
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| Kawaii. The King dumped her so that way she could get away safely. She still dead though.. lel. |
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| Allesand was the MVP!! He just turned his fiance into his sister! XD |
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| [/quote] Aren't we being a little too harsh? I for one don't mind the romance. It's pretty cute itself and gives a human side to the othwerwise pretty inhuman king. We still don't know if he is schizofrenic or just playing, his role might be deeper than everyone anticipated and perhaps he has no choice than to dance from side to side to keep his realm intact. So many people throwing dirt on him, I'd call this too early. I do agree that the romance got a little more time than needed. But it just showcases how Nina is naive and inexperienced with her feelings, she's just a alittle girl. Sorry that she ain't your regular killer loli which knows everything about the world and people. I am convinced that from now on we fight and there's not gonna be any space for romance anymore, so lets calm our titties.[/quote] So a ill constructed forced romance adds a human touch to the king? You know giving a actual backstory or insight to the motivations of the king would do that? This show is just bad, story is not good, but still has some entertaining aspects of it, but they've completely missed the opportunities to delve into the ideologies of the humans, gods, demons or even just write an actual compelling romance with the backdrop of the aforementioned issues. |
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| I definitely wasn't a fan of this episode. The cgi crowds were an absolute pain to look at, and I'm currently more down on the romantic sub-plot than I've ever been. I tried to like/get behind the romance, but the writers haven't made it compelling enough for me to even bother, so I'm glad that we'll hopefully be getting a break from it. It's unfortunate that this probably isn't the last we'll see of their relationship. I am however very interested in where the story is headed for Jean, Sofiel, El, and Azazel. They've been the most consistently interesting characters in the show, so give me more of them please. |
| Matsuoka Yoshitsugu has hardly any range as a voice actor, and is grossly over-cast. Yeah. I said it. |
j0x said: lol at people looking for adventure, season 1 does not have that many adventures too anyway and it has less episodes than this season Well the first season had more things happen in 12 episodes than this one had in 19..Also the whole series was centered around the adventure of the MCs that went to stop Bahamut, and the conflicts between the different factions. Here we have an op king that crushes rebellions/wars like nothing and goes to dance in his free time. It doesn't need to have action in every episode either, just not focus so much on dancing and blushing but actual plot advancement. Ever since the fight between demons and humans I started to lose interest in the series, I was hoping something different would start with the angels declaring war on humans; but after getting roflstomped by that weapon we are back to romance and dancing. This sequel is a clear example that more is not always better, referring to the number of episodes. |
| why people hate this romance i dont understand . I think imposible love and comedy mixed very well in this anime 10/10 |
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| They were hilariously dumb to allow Nina to carry out subterfuge, but even ignoring that this was a mess like this entire second cour has been. This show has been shooting itself in the foot time and time again by focusing on a romance that gets more and more incoherently bad the more they focus on it, while completely ignoring all the elements that made Genesis successful enough for this sequel to even exist. Speaking of, I'm not surprised that Nina fucked everything up by stopping Favaro from doing the right thing, and then contributing to the show's two best characters getting captured (and undoubtedly completely ignored for the rest of the series), which will also no doubt be used to double down on the terrible love story. Abysmal episode of what has swiftly become a dumpster fire of a second season. I'll keep watching to see if it somehow improves in the final five episodes, but all I can honestly see happening is Nina continuing to single-handedly ruin the show with both her personality and her stupid romance (something which I was at least partially wary of from the very first PV way back when). |
800MEric said: Aren't we being a little too harsh? I for one don't mind the romance. It's pretty cute itself and gives a human side to the othwerwise pretty inhuman king. We still don't know if he is schizofrenic or just playing, his role might be deeper than everyone anticipated and perhaps he has no choice than to dance from side to side to keep his realm intact. So many people throwing dirt on him, I'd call this too early. I do agree that the romance got a little more time than needed. But it just showcases how Nina is naive and inexperienced with her feelings, she's just a alittle girl. Sorry that she ain't your regular killer loli which knows everything about the world and people. I am convinced that from now on we fight and there's not gonna be any space for romance anymore, so lets calm our titties. So a ill constructed forced romance adds a human touch to the king? You know giving a actual backstory or insight to the motivations of the king would do that? This show is just bad, story is not good, but still has some entertaining aspects of it, but they've completely missed the opportunities to delve into the ideologies of the humans, gods, demons or even just write an actual compelling romance with the backdrop of the aforementioned issues. And why not? Or what is a human touch in your opinion? After enslaving hordes of people he will go on the streets and throw out money to the poor? Or is he gonna get on beach trips? He clearly enjoyed the moments when he was passing by incognito through the city, if it was with Nina or without her (probably enjoyed it more with her, the dances, the football match etc). Romantic feeling and living for such desires is one of the definitions of being human. At least for me. I just like people who have more things running under their skin than meets the yes. Charioce is one of them. He may look like an oppressive dictator, but if I try to emphatize with the comon human folk in the city, hell, he is a great ruler and I would worship him! He brought relative peace to its kind and gave humans the upper hand against Angels and Demons. Or you wanna live in slavery of another kinds? I am not defending the romance by any means, I just accept it. The whole show is about Nina. When she turns to her Dragon form, there ain't a more important character and steals all the spotlights. She's a young lass who falls in love with almost any stranger and we all know those feelings are key to her transformations. It was almost deemed necessary that there had to be one character she had to completely fall for and why not to such a controversial character? It's ok with me. I like that this show mixes many genres together quite skilfully, as you may see, emotional ladies might find these episodes sweet. And thus Virgin Soul is for me miles ahead than Genesis. Genesis was so rushed, it wall just all about one thing and the political conflict bestween those 3 factions wasn't too explored. Though I definitely miss all those Kaisar's "Favarooooooo!" moments, hopefully we'll get some of those. |
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| So Cindrella... But I actually have one question - why couldn't they take Charioce hostage or try to drag him with them, it'd be so much fun. Why-y? Also I guess they decided to make Charioce's motivation the main mystery of the show, but I think that they haven't succeeded in writing around it or making him interesting enough (hot - yeah, interesting - sadly no). I get that Nina is young and naive, but acting as if their relationships is rosy fine and he is a bully? No, he is a problematic, all around unsafe person, but she is not that stupid that she doesn't know that they stand at opposing sides and that the first time they danced they didn't know about it. Just, like - you're infiltrating his castle with a bunch of misfits, some of which are terrorists, to wreck his party and steal his weapon (and that would lead to his potential defeat against gods with a grudge, yeah), and then you ask him what is wrong?.. A lot is wrong, and there's a bunch of reasons you can't dance, it's reality, not him being an asshole at this point! The concept of consequences is often absent from the writing of this show. (Like with Alessand asking to join Onyx Soldiers, which would be an understandable move for him if only he hadn't been a captain of the very order that he says is done for! and he hadn't spent all his time drinking with demons in a brothel, which the onyx captin should be very aware of.) It's good to see that the king thinks about his soldiers, finally. Because you don't betray people who willingly got messed up by magic for your case. But that subplot is messy too. Why are Onix Soldiers so eager to work with a demon? And it will make the king hate them later in story, so the loyalty conflict will be solved the easy way, I suppose. --- On another note I don't get at all why people call the king psychopatic or whatnot. he is a ruler and a conqueror on a level of civilization when it's completely normal. Now, introducing slavery is another thing, though the hell most likely has it, would be illogical not to. But then he is also a post-catastrophy leader, we saw Bahamut, we saw the demonic armies attacking the capital in the first season, we saw what was the situation after in Jeanne's flashback. And demons and gods are not human, the usual argument "just like us" doesn't apply. I don't say that it's a good way of thinking, but it's very legit, it's not exactly the same as human races. So all in all his cruelty is mostly logical and because of his work. The colisseum fights are not though, yeah. And I don't even know what's the deal with them, because he is shown to be bored at them too all the time. |
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| Maybe I should just drop the show I don't care for Nina anymore. The main cast from the last season isn't getting enough focus. Rie Kugimiya is being wasted on a character like El who doesn't talk Charioce could be like Yuji so I won't judge too much but I'm not enjoying him enough to care even if he has a noble goal like Yuji in the end This love between enemies isn't impactful for me honestly. They hardly know each other so I'm guessing its just a sexual attraction which I don't care for. |
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| Seriously this show should rename itself to "Nina ruins everything" and leave it at that. LoL Cannot wait to see what the Gods and Demons will do now. |
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It doesn't make him a psychopath. We're talking about politics, not personal relationships. A psychopath is either a mentally ill person, and he isn't, or one with an antisocial disorder, but he has the ability to care, even if that ability is maybe truncated. But most importantly his position does put him apart from conventional norms and definitions. A king or almost any ruler for that matter would be responsible for suffering of some people. (A lot of creatures in his case, yeah.) Why can't I call him a conqueror, if he conquered the capital of hell and made the hell inhabitants into his slaves? Though yeah, it is unclear whether he maintains any sort of control over these territories or he simply raised Cocytus, breaking their might, and the little demon slaves are born locally. The series also fails at showing him mending economy and building army, but since he suceeded in war we may assume that they had armor, weapons and people. So some rebuilding had been done before the attack, despite demons running wild in the capital. What do you mean "if he was afraid to be attacked by the demons"? They waged war on the capital and were killing kids in the city just 7 years ago. That was shown in the anime, like, on the screen. Do you remember what Azazel was doing in season 1? And demons drove Charioce 13th mad after which he burned alive. Demons have been attacking humans, hurting them for ages, being stronger, magically superior. Of course, humans would want to give some of the pain back. I agree that he seems to have personal issues with gods, but it's not that illogical as well. During the hard time of the demon attack in season 1, the gods got their prayer food, but didn't do jack shit for humanity besides Michael, and he was in love with his special woman (which also undermined the power of the king). Jeanne may love gods, but she is actually a walking advert "look what you can do if you're faithful", which is a lie, she gets special treatment because Michael wants her. Now that humanity has upper hand Charioce may want to change the status quo and use the gods' power for his people. It's selfish for the sake of his species and a power hungry risky move - but where is it psychopatic? Actually don't we appalud to people being their own gods and even deicide in many other fictional universes? Also, I think, a cold war is possible when there's some sort of power parity for a long period of time, and they don't have that - Dromos has just been completed and the king with his Onyx elites don't have much time left, while demons and gods have longevity and magic on their side. He would want to rush. |
| This has gotten completely senseless. Again and again they keep making plans with Nina in a central point, while she agrees even though she makes out with the enemy and there isn't even a single thought about what her position should really be. So ofc, SHE FAILS again and she gets sad that she can't make out with the enemy anymore while the rest are trying to stop him. But hey, who cares about that? Nina wants to daaance again... and maybe save a few people if it happens. I mean, I don't even know anymore. Everyone is seemingly blind to Nina's crush and thus keep doing the same things that lead to the same failures, Favaro who certainly knows what's up (because apparently he is the only one who has a pair of eyes) is doing absolutely nothing because Nina's feelings are too precious compared to the world's existence and Nina plays both fields like they are completely unrelated. I feel extremely sad that this so so, so, so badly executed romance has affected the story in such a way, that everyone keeps making stupid decisions with Nina in the center and just move on like nothing happened. I just hope Azazel gets his own story together with El, because honestly, everyone else is dragging him down currently. I had so many hopes for this :< Even Charioce was a well-developed character before he was forced to play a romantic lead. Can't wait for this to end the way things are going. 5 episodes to go. |
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| Favaro punch was the best part Nina is getting on my nerves like can't we just have priorities. But yeah the dance was really well animated. Eventhough the romance in this ircs me, the episode didn't drag for me, which is good. To be honest, I think people give Genesis too much credit, it wasn't the best written show out there. Actually it was kind of a mess towards the end. It was fun and that's pretty much it. |
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Mouloxas said: Again, people are suffering for reasons that are personal to the king. Not like he is doing all this for their sake. And why's that? He says multiple times that he wants to make humans the strongest species (even to Kaisar, whom he likes in a way and whom he tried to convince). He made a vow for it during his coronation. That's actually important, you usually don't take a name and then immediately make a false vow you don't have to make. It was established in the beginning that he rebuilt the economy, abolished crime (no bounties) and stopped demons from attacking people. He always evacuates people during his operations in the city. And we haven't seen any executions of humans, despite there being a dungeon with forced labor (but we force labor on convicts even today). Of course, not all that he does is beneficial, he banned religion, and Nina says that other places are more run down, but he has done a lot of good for his people. What will he personally gain aside from maybe vengeance? He has lost an eye, his hand is corrupted, he can't dance with the girl he likes, his right hand knights are decomposing and he knows he will die. And you say yourself that others may inherit his power after he delivers the decisive blow, allowing humans to rule the other species. The worse we can say about him from purely human pov is that he endangers humanity greatly by attacking gods. Demons were assholes anyway. That is true, but as far as we know he is sure that he will win and takes the gamble. It's not like there can't be sucessful war gambles. Ok, maybe if we take a more in-depth approach, he also corrupts his people by introducing slavery, but that's also our modern view. Ancient Greece had slavery and we often celebrate it as an early pinnacle of democracy, science, art, etc. deadoptimist said: when everything in the capital is messed up. But it isn't unless you're a demon? Until Nina met Azazel she was having a great time. deadoptimist said: I meant after the incident with Bahamut, not season 1. Why would we discard it, if everyone in the cast was affected? deadoptimist said: Sorry, but they did. They gave Jeanne the holy spear, Maltet. I am too lazy to check, but it probably was Michael or on Michael's insistence? And that's Jeanne again, one Jeanne who can't be everywhere. Micheal himself said that gods didn't work with humans enough. And then Jeanne fails to protect that little girl, because they don't care again and she's lost her power. Are we forgetting that 7 years ago prior to the events of the show demons ran around the city killing people? Ok, gods were busy, but is it surprising that someone wants to break the agreement with them after that? No, with the current level of writing they can turn Charioce's motivation purely into revenge, and that will be an epic failure. But currently it doesn't yet look like that. He drones a lot about having a big goal too. |
Mouloxas said: Strongest species doesn't guarantee safety for his people right now though, it is something that may or may not happen in the future. And we have seen people complain when they have to be evacuated. Specifically, when he declared war on the gods and it became known that the capital was going to be invaded by them, the people completely turned on Charioce. Yeah, but before he subdued demons, they killed humans all the time. It's not that the situation was good. He bets a lot on his plan, but he has prepared Dromos, which is impressive, has introduced a new magic, has trained magical troops. Actually El is the only specific anti-green magic weapon that helped the gods. Charioce was stupid to not look for El better, but he was not stupid or careless with the rest if his plan. They even use the demonic flying fortresses now. Of course, people complain when evacuated, but they die less. Charioce is shown to be one of the revolutionary rulers, and they hurt their population during their rule to mold a new country. But later, if sucessful, they're seen as visionaries and heroes. It has happened a lot during our history. That is a weak argument, but I honestly think that those riots were not shown very well. There was not enough material to see the situation in the human populace before, we don't know how wide the unrest is spread. The situation with religion wasn't explained very well too. But religious people would hold a grudge against him, that's for sure. deadoptimist said: Only because she turned a blind eye to everything. Slavery and corruption were still a thing. Remember back when they were captured in episode 8, Nina told Charioce what she thought about him, that he is a horrible king pretty much. That was long after she got involved with Azazel, which she honestly shouldn't have done. But in the beginning she was ok in a plentiful and peaceful capital. Which is what most people would see. deadoptimist said: I am not discarding it. I am simply saying it is weird to go straight back to war after such a huge incident. Not really, if you have a grudge. And grudges are often used to rebuild, because hate is a great motivation, and you need motivation when everything is in ruins. It would be a clever (even if messed up) move for Charioce to fuel the rise of his nation by hate, but we don't know whether he did. His words during the coronation indicate so, but, interestingly, they seem ready to integrate demons into their society. Aside from a few sick people, who may be willing to do the same to humans, if demons weren't cheaper and safer to kill, people don't seem to focus on torturing demons all that much. But they hate gods. deadoptimist said: And please let's not pretend Charioce is fighting them for that reason. I mean, if it actually turns out he was pissed off about such a thing, that would be the pinnacle of stupidity. And why is not liking the situation when the old treaty is not respected stupid? Why should they waste time on praying, not building green magic weapons, for example? Why should they spend money on churches and rituals, if the gods don't help when needed, and even then it's one lady, and not for the sake of said prayers? As we saw in the flashback their situation was dire. Demons kill humans in their homes, and Jeanne is powerless, then wounded. Gabriel has learnt nothing from the deaths of other archangels deadoptimist said: Honestly, i have no idea. But i also don't know what his big goal is. I cannot imagine what kind of reason would justify his actions. His actions cannot be justified. No way this is going to have a satisfactory ending. He will most likely die. But so far he has been built as a logical leader, not evil for the sake of evil. Well, initially he was built like that, because lately he has just been standing around and I won't put it past the team to make them fight aliens in the end or something. As others have said I feel the focus shifting on fighting some greater evil. It is extremely lame. Yet nothing indicates that he kills for pleasure. |
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