| I didn't understand the anime that much. I dont like things I don't understand |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| i agree with OP. i understood what the show was from the get go and to be fair i already watch it 3 times thinking that i was able to like it. i just got frustrated every time either by the unnecessary scenes and the convoluted story telling. i know it's just 13 episodes but it didn't have to take that long to fully illustrate such a simple concept. it should be just a movie instead. |
haysikecemboles said: Daniellehurt09 said: i agree with OP. i understood what the show was from the get go and to be fair i already watch it 3 times thinking that i was able to like it. i just got frustrated every time either by the unnecessary scenes and the convoluted story telling. i know it's just 13 episodes but it didn't have to take that long to fully illustrate such a simple concept. it should be just a movie instead. It's okay if you don't get it, it's simply 2deep4u. Claiming that it has unnecessary scenes just proves it. Not to mention as a concept Lain is anything but simple. aw sorry i hit a nerve on your favorite show. i don't necessarily hate the entirety of lain. i admit it has its own charm like in Matrix i just wish they could have done it in a movie format so the narrative could flow smoothly. they just stretched it out to meet the 13 episodes limit thus resulting to several points the OP explained. It lacks the fluidity unlike with some similar anime like GITS or Paprika have. the plot is interesting but not interesting enough to keep you awake or play spot the symbolism. i remember i almost got an epileptic seizure watching this. |
Daniellehurt09Oct 27, 2017 5:36 AM
haysikecemboles said: Daniellehurt09 said: aw sorry i hit a nerve on your favorite show. i don't necessarily hate the entirety of lain. i admit it has its own charm like in Matrix i just wish they could have done it in a movie format so the narrative could flow smoothly. they just stretched it out to meet the 13 episodes limit thus resulting to several points the OP explained. It lacks the fluidity unlike with some similar anime like GITS or Paprika have. the plot is interesting but not interesting enough to keep you awake or play spot the symbolism. i remember i almost got an epileptic seizure watching this. Ahh, I love butthurt posts assuming they made the other party angry and trying hard to explain how they are right, lol. Please continue girl, you amuse me. Btw, the name of the movie is "The Matrix", not Matrix. Just saying. :) i thought you were the angry one with your first retort. by the way what was your follow up argument? |
| Actually, I watched SEL twice and still didn't get shit about it. Now that it's been like around a year, I think I find it quite good that I don't remember any of it now. |
| Watching it once was enough for me, I don't re-watch stuff that makes me wanna sleep. |
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| I do agree that you don't need many rewatches to understand something to Lain, but apparently that's not the point of this thread, the point is that Lain is bad and OP is smart even if he doesn't like it. I'd have an easier time believing in both if he gave better arguments than "lol it's from the 90's so it's shit" and "I didn't pay attention and think half the scenes are pointless" |
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| Yeah, it's pretty frustrating when you don't like something and people pin that as you simply not being smart enough to understand the show. I get that sort of treatment when I say I don't like Shinsekai Yori as well. Even if something comes off as deep with some sort of theme that doesn't mean it's done perfectly. |
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| I'd like to hear your interpretation of what the themes were and how they fail to still be relevant/meaningful/impactful and why you believe them to be overdone, because up till now you've only said that they were but haven't really gone into the specifics as to why and I'm interested in hearing about that. |
| @Mineaanagram No, it has a story, people just prefer talking about the themes. I'm no expert on lain but I can try to tell a very abridged version from memory, Lain creates a fake background for herself (which she herself also believes) to try and have a life in real life (flesh and blood) instead of only existing on the internet, she eventually gets on the internet and different version of her start showing up, created by a group of people that want to have lain under their control because she has incredible power on the internet, and also in flesh and blood reality because the internet has become its own reality in which she is the god, these versions of her make people aware that the internet has a god. People start realising they can have the certainty of an existing god if they escape to the internet so they kill themselves in flesh and blood reality to live in the internet instead. Lain meets the leader of the group that created some fake lains to make her confused and tells her he's the god of internet reality and that she should just do as he says and it'll all be okay, but lain's friend convinces lain that she's real which makes lain stand up for herself to the fake god dude. Lain takes back her role of god of the internet and decides to erase the memories of her from people's minds because, I think, people kept killing themselves to live in the internet, which she wanted to stop. But this is all from memory and it's been a long time since I watched it, watching it yourself would probably be a good idea if you want the actual stoy. |
SnufkinOct 28, 2017 1:31 AM
| I like how almost everyone here are praising or criticizing the show, its themes and how it presents them, but not elaborating on it at all (specifying what Lain's themes really is and how it is/isn't presented well). Most of you are arguing its themes while being completely vague about it which makes me think that neither side are confident they understood Lain's themes very well. I myself have no confidence that I can discuss its themes well enough (thus I didn't even give a rating for it), hence I refrain from praising it or criticizing its themes and how it presents it. Being on topic, I agree with some of the OP's points. The show really does tend to be too obscure or abstract which makes it really hard to understand (which I think is intentional in the show's part). There are also lots of still frames and a severe lack of music (Although it did work to serve for a creepy and unsettling atmosphere albeit a bit boring). However, what I don't agree with is the OP's points about its themes and symbolisms unless he can clearly state what the show's themes were, how it is updated and overused, and how it failed to present it well. |
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FruitlessJuice said: this anime was pretty bad even for 90s standards. i agree with u OP. this truly is a bad anime. Here's my problem with this statement, it's the same as the people who say "hurr this anime requires 200iq mega smarts hurr". It's equally dismissive. I don't have a problem when people say they don't like something, I am even okay with someone saying it was bad provided they actually articulate why they think so, But that's not the case here. It's intellectual equivalent of someone shouting "THAT'S JUST MY OPINION", and that somehow makes it and them beyond criticism. I'll state it plainly in case it seems convoluted, You added nothing of substance to this thread. onto OP, claiming lains themes are outdated is completely unfair considering how it almost 20 years old. It's like retrospectively saying "the cg in this movie blows". It completely undercuts how something was at one point revolutionary. Furthermore lain is extremely aesthetic in how it goes about presenting it's themes and thus requires atypical storytelling to go about this. Now I can see why some people wouldn't like that but a streamlined story and plot would completely defeat the purpose of this anime. Thus making it a rather polarizing work. I find myself enthralled by it, some don't and that's fine. But at least recognize the fact that it's appeal stems from this. Also if you find yourself coming to the same answer when presented the same theme twice but in completely different ways it means the issue here isn't the fact that both works shared themes but rather you aren't willing to reconsider your views on things. |
  come, you sweet hour of death |
UnironicTeen said: People degrading other people's opinion by saying that the show "wasn't for them" is pretty much prevelant in everything. I know this is old but I wanted to write nonetheless. Simply saying "I guess it wasn't for you" isn't the equiavlent of "You're incapable of comprehending this show's greatness you f*n moron.". The person who said this probably just meant it as "it's not your cup of tea I suppose" and you misinterpreted their words. |
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| Ignorance have no limits lmaooooooooooooooooooo |
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