| I guess Devilman Crybaby will be the litmus tester to see if Netflix really bets their wallets on future anime productions, I sure hope it works out. |
| let me reposting my post for same article... Kuma said: j0x said: this might concern you OP Film Critic Responds to Netflix's Rise in Japan http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/interest/2017-08-16/film-critic-responds-to-netflix-rise-in-japan/.119931 the coment is interesting, in other hand, they criticaly him for grossly misinformated and exagrating, but at the same time, it's reaks of hope investment as well better production comitee model since netflix solely stakeholder with less conflict of interest in it... however, it still risky since money doesn't automaticaly goes to anime quality and animator... well, time surely will answer... there you go... |
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Swagernator said: I rather want to see anime industry completely die, than see it in the hands of the west. funny the whole japanese animation industries poor works model ethics was started because they didn't want competition... |
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Kuma said: funny the whole japanese animation industries poor works model ethics was started because they didn't want competition... And that would be the best for anime. Yes the no anime at all is still better than anime from west. |
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Swagernator said: Kuma said: funny the whole japanese animation industries poor works model ethics was started because they didn't want competition... And that would be the best for anime. Yes the no anime at all is still better than anime from west. you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... |
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Kuma said: Because the Chinese are communists.Swagernator said: And that would be the best for anime. Yes the no anime at all is still better than anime from west. you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... |
Kuma said: also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... DrizzlyBear said: Because the Chinese are communists. And most importantly China doesn't have SJW. |
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Swagernator said: I don't see how Americans funding anime is going to awaken "le SJW boogeyman" but you're free to share your thoughts.Kuma said: also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... DrizzlyBear said: Because the Chinese are communists. And most importantly China doesn't have SJW. |
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| Good thing that there will be more western investiments. DrizzlyBear said: I don't see how Americans funding anime is going to awaken "le SJW boogeyman" but you're free to share your thoughts. I doubt he is going to do it. SJW, like 2011 is the best year, elitism and other bullshit is a meme. |
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DrizzlyBear said: Kuma said: Because the Chinese are communists.you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... debatable.. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/07/how_communist_is_china.html politicaly? yes. economicaly? not soo much which is main key. https://www.quora.com/Is-China-a-communist-country i know this is quora, but the answer is firsthand experience which much better explained... Swagernator said: Kuma said: also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... DrizzlyBear said: Because the Chinese are communists. And most importantly China doesn't have SJW. they has political correctness, infact, much crazy than west... |
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| I thought the issue with anime investment was because of the production committees and whatnot. Somebody hit me up with the info. |
Brb said: I thought the issue with anime investment was because of the production committees and whatnot. Somebody hit me up with the info. it's all speculation... you can read ANN version comment of it, it's interesting... http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3071787 |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Reading through the comment section of the same article on ANN there are somce comments that say the animators are not paid more working on Netflix originals compared to other anime (which seems normal since as a company you want to pay based on the region's salaries) but their schedule is better and puts less anxiety on the animators. So they somewhat provide a bit better conditions since they are not constrained by the weekly airing times. I think suddenly rising the salaries of the animators is not only counter-productive for your costs but also to the way Japan sees them, they already are seen as invaders so if they start throwing money left and right might have even a worse reception to the point that they could not license shows to Netflix anymore.they can always start by actually motivating animators with livable wages... However I would expect that with Netflix competition for quality anime might rise so salaries would naturally rise as well but who knows. Brb said: There's no issue with the production committees if there are no production committees. That's because for Netflix original series Netflix itself is the "production committee" without being a committee. (This doesn't include series Netflix only has a licence for)I thought the issue with anime investment was because of the production committees and whatnot. Somebody hit me up with the info. |
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zal said: EcchiKingMamster said: Reading through the comment section of the same article on ANN there are somce comments that say the animators are not paid more working on Netflix originals compared to other anime (which seems normal since as a company you want to pay based on the region's salaries) but their schedule is better and puts less anxiety on the animators. So they somewhat provide a bit better conditions since they are not constrained by the weekly airing times. I think suddenly rising the salaries of the animators is not only counter-productive for your costs but also to the way Japan sees them, they already are seen as invaders so if they start throwing money left and right might have even a worse reception to the point that they could not license shows to Netflix anymore.they can always start by actually motivating animators with livable wages... However I would expect that with Netflix competition for quality anime might rise so salaries would naturally rise as well but who knows. Brb said: There's no issue with the production committees if there are no production committees. That's because for Netflix original series Netflix itself is the "production committee" without being a committee. (This doesn't include series Netflix only has a licence for)I thought the issue with anime investment was because of the production committees and whatnot. Somebody hit me up with the info. i meant the animators already in japan.. idgaf about Netflix.. lol |
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EcchiKingMamster said: zal said: Reading through the comment section of the same article on ANN there are somce comments that say the animators are not paid more working on Netflix originals compared to other anime (which seems normal since as a company you want to pay based on the region's salaries) but their schedule is better and puts less anxiety on the animators. So they somewhat provide a bit better conditions since they are not constrained by the weekly airing times. I think suddenly rising the salaries of the animators is not only counter-productive for your costs but also to the way Japan sees them, they already are seen as invaders so if they start throwing money left and right might have even a worse reception to the point that they could not license shows to Netflix anymore. However I would expect that with Netflix competition for quality anime might rise so salaries would naturally rise as well but who knows. There's no issue with the production committees if there are no production committees. That's because for Netflix original series Netflix itself is the "production committee" without being a committee. (This doesn't include series Netflix only has a licence for) i meant the animators already in japan.. idgaf about Netflix.. lol jesus do you actually think netflix flies in its own animators? They just pay the same fucking studios that japanese production committees pay, and those studio still employ the same people they always employ who profit from the better working conditions. Keep your westernphobia in check -.- |
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EcchiKingMamster said: They are paying the animators (studio) in Japan to make new original anime (like Devilman: Crybaby for 2018) and the article talks about the possible influence Netflix will have on the market.zal said: Reading through the comment section of the same article on ANN there are somce comments that say the animators are not paid more working on Netflix originals compared to other anime (which seems normal since as a company you want to pay based on the region's salaries) but their schedule is better and puts less anxiety on the animators. So they somewhat provide a bit better conditions since they are not constrained by the weekly airing times. I think suddenly rising the salaries of the animators is not only counter-productive for your costs but also to the way Japan sees them, they already are seen as invaders so if they start throwing money left and right might have even a worse reception to the point that they could not license shows to Netflix anymore. However I would expect that with Netflix competition for quality anime might rise so salaries would naturally rise as well but who knows. There's no issue with the production committees if there are no production committees. That's because for Netflix original series Netflix itself is the "production committee" without being a committee. (This doesn't include series Netflix only has a licence for) i meant the animators already in japan.. idgaf about Netflix.. lol |
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again, i already addressed the problem with video... it's grossly missdirected... what crunchy support is production comitee part of animation industries, if the production comitee models it self shit, crunchy has nothing to do it... they are still supporting (macro) anime industries, but not anime industries this guy talking about (micro)... that's like blaming US if there is slave labor in china because they buy chinese product.... |
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Swagernator said: Myopia at its finest.I rather want to see anime industry completely die, than see it in the hands of the west. DrizzlyBear said: I don't see what this has to do with anything.Kuma said: Because the Chinese are communists.you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... Kuma said: What does this even mean?Swagernator said: And that would be the best for anime. Yes the no anime at all is still better than anime from west. you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... |
| I think its good to see possibly higher budgets to make more interesting projects, but I'm also a little nervous about Netflix's increasing involvement with the anime industry due to the fact that they seem to try to force a lot of unnecessary sequels/drag out their shows to make them last much longer than they should and have the show lose the initial appeal it once had. |
Pullman said: jesus do you actually think netflix flies in its own animators? They just pay the same fucking studios that japanese production committees pay, and those studio still employ the same people they always employ who profit from the better working conditions. Keep your westernphobia in check -.- lol ok fine zal said: They are paying the animators (studio) in Japan to make new original anime (like Devilman: Crybaby for 2018) and the article talks about the possible influence Netflix will have on the market. well as long as they don't take influence from the west, then w/e |
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Yudina said: Kuma said: What does this even mean?you can simply didn't watch it you know... also china has bigger money than west and still nobody change... this guy imply more money floading from the west mean more involvement form the west which is bad thing... mainwhile, china already give bigger money to japan anime industries yet nothing notable change from anime industries in general... |
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FullmetalAlias said: Sequels and dragging out shows to make them last longer seem like problems inherent in most currently airing anime. By that logic, it should be a match made in heaven!I think its good to see possibly higher budgets to make more interesting projects, but I'm also a little nervous about Netflix's increasing involvement with the anime industry due to the fact that they seem to try to force a lot of unnecessary sequels/drag out their shows to make them last much longer than they should and have the show lose the initial appeal it once had. |
Kuma said: China doesn't give big money to the industry, I think it's more the people that do, and the change there is going to be gradual. I think the popularity of Quanzhi Gaoshou is a starting point that will only lead to various new developments.Yudina said: What does this even mean? this guy imply more money floading from the west mean more involvement form the west which is bad thing... mainwhile, china already give bigger money to japan anime industries yet nothing notable change except few rare case, not anime industries in general... EcchiKingMamster said: The entire history of anime is something influenced from the West. I don't know why people are so fazed by any trace of Western influence. If you want a pure Japanese experience, anime is not it.well as long as they don't take influence from the west, then w/e DateYutaka said: Two sides of the same coin.Yudina said: Sequels and dragging out shows to make them last longer seem like problems inherent in most currently airing anime. By that logic, it should be a match made in heaven! nope anime not having compate stroies is an issue |
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DateYutaka said: We're not talking about the 80s and 90s. We're talking about today, and both industries share this problem. It's just an issue of capitalism and demand.Yudina said: China doesn't give big money to the industry, I think it's more the people that do, and the change there is going to be gradual. I think the popularity of Quanzhi Gaoshou is a starting point that will only lead to various new developments. The entire history of anime is something influenced from the West. I don't know why people are so fazed by any trace of Western influence. If you want a pure Japanese experience, anime is not it. Two sides of the same coin. its not you know in the 80's and 90's anime was more iliky ot cover the full stoory of its manga in one go if it was a tv anime than it is to day |
Yudina said: Kuma said: China doesn't give big money to the industry, I think it's more the people that do, and the change there is going to be gradual. I think the popularity of Quanzhi Gaoshou is a starting point that will only lead to various new developments.this guy imply more money floading from the west mean more involvement form the west which is bad thing... mainwhile, china already give bigger money to japan anime industries yet nothing notable change except few rare case, not anime industries in general... the data says otherwise... http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=869 page 5-6 it's even noted how risky chinese investment because heavily influenced by political policies... https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Anime-a-21bn-market-in-China |
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Kuma said: I always speak in relative terms. Yes, I've seen these reports, but I don't think this is a lot of money yet. Yes, 21bn might seem like a lot to a layman, but there is so much more money pooling in China that I think there's still more to come.Yudina said: China doesn't give big money to the industry, I think it's more the people that do, and the change there is going to be gradual. I think the popularity of Quanzhi Gaoshou is a starting point that will only lead to various new developments. the data says otherwise... http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 page 5-6 https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Anime-a-21bn-market-in-China http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2016-09-29/report-anime-industry-up-12-percent-in-2015/.107055 And no, we haven't seen dramatic changes in the anime landscape, because the business models seem incredibly slow moving and resistant to change, like most things in Japanese/Asian societies. As I've stated before, I think this change is likely to be over the course of the next 3-5 years. People shouldn't expect an investment to pay off immediately. Otherwise, nobody would invest at all. DateYutaka said: I think Netflix's track record suggests that it's way more flexible and open to change than people might suspect. This was a company competing with Blockbuster when mailing DVDs and tapes was still a thing. Blockbuster died, and people thought Netflix was on its way out, but here we are.Yudina said: We're not talking about the 80s and 90s. We're talking about today, and both industries share this problem. It's just an issue of capitalism and demand. i crae about getting full stores not having to wait and alos Milking things inest of ding 26 epis here or there seasons or eeven years apart stuff that never happend before netfix will make this happen more In my opinion, I think everyone should be ecstatic that Netflix is in the space. I don't see them changing the industry in ways that will disrupt the enjoyment of preexisting fans, and will likely just add on and change both the delivery of content and the quality of it. |
Yudina said: Kuma said: I always speak in relative terms. I don't think this is a lot of money yet. Yes, 21bn might seem like a lot to a layman, but there is so much more money pooling in China that I think there's still more to come.the data says otherwise... http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 page 5-6 https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Anime-a-21bn-market-in-China http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2016-09-29/report-anime-industry-up-12-percent-in-2015/.107055 And no, we haven't seen dramatic changes in the anime landscape, because the business models seem incredibly slow moving and resistant to change, like most things in Japanese/Asian societies. As I've stated before, I think this change is likely to be over the course of the next 3-5 years. People shouldn't expect an investment to pay off immediately. Otherwise, nobody would invest at all. my point is that it's already bigger than west... of course it didn't pay off immedietly, but i don't see anything to worry either... |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Well Devilman is a 1972 manga that has some west influences as it is about angels and devils (Satan as their leader) so it is kinda impossible. zal said: They are paying the animators (studio) in Japan to make new original anime (like Devilman: Crybaby for 2018) and the article talks about the possible influence Netflix will have on the market. well as long as they don't take influence from the west, then w/e However I kinda know where you are actually going with that statement and I would say that even if one day they actually take influence from the west the type of shows you like aren't going to disappear anytime soon so that influence might not affect you. Kuma said: Weren't Japanese anime committees limiting the Chinese capital to 40% per anime or something like that despite the amount of funds they were ready to invest so that they would still be in control?Yudina said: China doesn't give big money to the industry, I think it's more the people that do, and the change there is going to be gradual. I think the popularity of Quanzhi Gaoshou is a starting point that will only lead to various new developments. the data says otherwise... http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=869 page 5-6 it's even noted how risky chinese investment because heavily influenced by political policies... https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Anime-a-21bn-market-in-China Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Yeah... Devilman fits right up the SJW alley as well... haven't read a more politically correct manga in my life.Oh yeah, I totally see Netflix only funding "SJW-approved" shows in the future. Like the Netflix "original" and "100% fanservice-free" Nanatsu no Taizai. Talk about westernized shit... |
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Yudina said: The entire history of anime is something influenced from the West. I don't know why people are so fazed by any trace of Western influence. If you want a pure Japanese experience, anime is not it. yes ofc, but theres still a certain line to be crossed aka SJW boogeyman etc zal said: Well Devilman is a 1972 manga that has some west influences as it is about angels and devils (Satan as their leader) so it is kinda impossible. However I kinda know where you are actually going with that statement and I would say that even if one day they actually take influence from the west the type of shows you like aren't going to disappear anytime soon so that influence might not affect you. i have no problem with new things in anime as long as they keep all the old things |
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EcchiKingMamster said: I think it's safe to say there will always be that one ecchi show per season.Yudina said: The entire history of anime is something influenced from the West. I don't know why people are so fazed by any trace of Western influence. If you want a pure Japanese experience, anime is not it. yes ofc, but theres still a certain line to be crossed aka SJW boogeyman etc zal said: Well Devilman is a 1972 manga that has some west influences as it is about angels and devils (Satan as their leader) so it is kinda impossible. However I kinda know where you are actually going with that statement and I would say that even if one day they actually take influence from the west the type of shows you like aren't going to disappear anytime soon so that influence might not affect you. i have no problem with new things in anime as long as they keep all the old things |
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EcchiKingMamster said: The reason why it's called a "boogeyman" is because it doesn't exist. The dark annals of cringey Tumblr posts, I assure you, have very little impact on what casual fans of games, TV shows, and movies consume.yes ofc, but theres still a certain line to be crossed aka SJW boogeyman etc How many shows, or hell, even video games can you name that were "destroyed" by SJW pandering? And note, when I mean "destroyed," I specifically mean that the game was ruined and not made slightly "uncomfortable" because there was a character that was gay. |
zal said: Kuma said: Weren't Japanese anime committees limiting the Chinese capital to 40% per anime or something like that despite the amount of funds they were ready to invest so that they would still be in control?the data says otherwise... http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=869 page 5-6 it's even noted how risky chinese investment because heavily influenced by political policies... https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Arts/Anime-a-21bn-market-in-China i just heard that! care to give link? it would be interesting if it's not hoax... zal said: Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Yeah... Devilman fits right up the SJW alley as well... haven't read a more politically correct manga in my life.Oh yeah, I totally see Netflix only funding "SJW-approved" shows in the future. Like the Netflix "original" and "100% fanservice-free" Nanatsu no Taizai. Talk about westernized shit... pretty sure saint seiya will trigger SJW as well... |
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DateYutaka said: Kuma said: i just heard that! care to give link? it would be interesting if it's not hoax... pretty sure saint seiya will trigger SJW as well... they cold edit out all the nagainess form it the could edit go nagai, but they can't for saint seiya since it's already it's basic plot... |
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zal said: EcchiKingMamster said: I think it's safe to say there will always be that one ecchi show per season.yes ofc, but theres still a certain line to be crossed aka SJW boogeyman etc i have no problem with new things in anime as long as they keep all the old things theres already only about one a season.. but the main issue for those of us who believe in the boogeyman is just anime still being anime and not some western shit that looks like anime Yudina said: EcchiKingMamster said: The reason why it's called a "boogeyman" is because it doesn't exist. The dark annals of cringey Tumblr posts, I assure you, have very little impact on what casual fans of games, TV shows, and movies consume.yes ofc, but theres still a certain line to be crossed aka SJW boogeyman etc How many shows, or hell, even video games can you name that were "destroyed" by SJW pandering? And note, when I mean "destroyed," I specifically mean that the game was ruined and not made slightly "uncomfortable" because there was a character that was gay. theres been the odd instant of games being censored, changed or just not allowed |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Like?theres been the odd instant of games being censored, changed or just not allowed Again, you have to realize that this may not just be to pander to "SJWs" (in parenthesis because I hate this acronym). The game Hatred, for instance, wasn't universally hated because it was somehow insensitive to some minority. It's because it was a fucking terrible game made in bad taste. Products like anime/video games/books/movies aren't "art" anymore as much as they are commercial products, and I don't think the SJW crowd that you're referring to has nearly enough capital to move industries to completely change things. Changes can be made to appeal to a broader audience, or maybe convince parents that buying a game is slightly more okay than normal, or maybe the developers personally wanted to change a few things when they bring a game to a different audience. That certainly happens to games in China. And again, does censorship or minor changes ruin a game? I don't think so, and I think it's unfair to dramatically label these slight modifications and blanket them as just "SJWs" ruining an industry. It's an easy but inaccurate scapegoat. |
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