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Aug 13, 2017 3:17 PM

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OMG! This was so fantastic. I simply have no words. The first Owari season was one of my least favorite entries of the Monogatari Series so I was a bit worried, but this was absolutely stunning on every possible level. Everything came together perfectly Nisio is a genius. Also the way they adapted this was absolutely glorious.

I'm so happy right now. THe pinnacle of the Monogatari Series!
 
 
Aug 13, 2017 3:34 PM

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That was awesome, man... just seeing Meme again was great after not seeing him for so long, almost wish I didn't know Ougi was going to make it, I mean Hanamonogatari is after this time wise, so we already knew the out come.

Felt like a solid "series" wrap-up, I know there is more and I've no doubt they will get animated since its been said as much? but if for whatever reason it didn't happen I'd be happy with this.

Re-watched everything up to this like 2 months back and now I almost want to do it again! maybe after Zoku-Owari... and feel like I should go with timeline order vs airing order.
 
Aug 13, 2017 4:07 PM

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I've been trying to write something all day but fuck it all I can say is this is the best conclusion I've watched. i never gave a monogatari season a 10/10 because they're were arcs that weren't that good or didnt get me 100% but this is the first time I can say from episode 1 to 7 that each episode was a 10/10. and its fitting to end off with a 10.

of course, i know it's one of many endings considering nisio has more but it doesn't take away from this moment.

Ougi said it herself "It's just the end of one of your many stories"
 
Aug 13, 2017 4:09 PM
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Who was the girl that walked past at the end? Was that Higasa?


I was wondering this too - but I thought it might be Nadeko. He doesn't really have any reason to chase after Higasa, does he?

It did look like Higasa was the one holding Kanbaru back in the credit shot, though.


I was going to ask the same question. I don't understand why no one seems to care, this is very disturbing. Does anyone have an explanation?

Maybe she's just a new girl in distress to show that Koyomi hasn't changed. Is it her holding Suruga during the credits though?
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Aug 13, 2017 4:11 PM
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the novels says that the girl that Koyomi chases after is a first year
she may be Higasa but there's no confirmation (at least in the translations) that Higasa is a first year, she is only known to be part of the basket team

but the girl hugging Kanbaru at the end screen is indeed Higasa so idk
 
Aug 13, 2017 4:14 PM
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Yes, it's weird. If they hadn't put Higasa just after, I would simply have gone for the simple explanation, but now I'm confused. Well, if it's written as you say in the novels, I guess I have no reason to doubt.
 
Aug 13, 2017 4:16 PM
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Yes, it's weird. If they hadn't put Higasa just after, I would simply have gone for the simple explanation, but now I'm confused. Well, if it's written as you say in the novels, I guess I have no reason to doubt.
Zoku is only translated like a 10% so there's not much else to investigate sadly :(
maybe someone that could read them in japanese could clarify this
in kinda intrigued by it too
 
 
Aug 13, 2017 4:18 PM

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Great End 9/10



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Aug 13, 2017 4:31 PM

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My mind has been violated with explosives. Oshino is back... Ougi is Koyomi (I actually called that but still)... I NEED MORE HITAGI!!!
 
Aug 13, 2017 5:09 PM
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the novels says that the girl that Koyomi chases after is a first year
she may be Higasa but there's no confirmation (at least in the translations) that Higasa is a first year, she is only known to be part of the basket team

but the girl hugging Kanbaru at the end screen is indeed Higasa so idk


She isn't Higasa. Higasa is a classmate of Kanbaru and, as such, a 2nd year - until Hanamonogatari events.

The girl is just a student who seems to be in some kind of distress, and so Araragi rushes to find her and help her, like Araragi always does. Hence the "You never change, Araragi-senpai" from Ougi.

 
 
Aug 13, 2017 5:11 PM
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It seems to be the most logical explanation, but why did they put the forgotten Higasa in the credits? Was it necessary? Don't they look a lot alike?
 
Aug 13, 2017 5:11 PM
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Ah this was perfect. The chat between Ougi and Araragi was just great as well as the fact he ended up saving Ougi from getting swallowed by the darkness. I was soo happy to see Oshino again because it's been like forever. Since Bake really. He accepted Araragi's apparition as his own niece making it a truth now.

Also seeing Hanekawa again was fantastic. She's soo awesome. Then we finally see that Hachikuji is a god. She 'll be the best god in town because she's simply that great lool. We also get the graduation. I lol'd at the chat Araragi was having with Tsubasa as they made their way into the school. Seeing Hitagi there and greeting them was bliss. Araragi eventually runs off chasing someone who's passed him by. Basically doing what he normally does because that's the type of person that he is.

This was a very great ending imo. Even though in the show only 6 months have flew by, its been years for us watching it and I couldn't have loved it more. Bless based SHAFT for making my favorite anime series and bless Nisio for creating it in the first place.

Even though this isn't the actual end since Zoku Owari, (the epilogue) hasn't been animated , I'm very excited to see more of the stories from the books beyond it get animated in the future.
 
Aug 13, 2017 5:32 PM
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Nyoro said:
Inokori said:
the novels says that the girl that Koyomi chases after is a first year
she may be Higasa but there's no confirmation (at least in the translations) that Higasa is a first year, she is only known to be part of the basket team

but the girl hugging Kanbaru at the end screen is indeed Higasa so idk


She isn't Higasa. Higasa is a classmate of Kanbaru and, as such, a 2nd year - until Hanamonogatari events.

The girl is just a student who seems to be in some kind of distress, and so Araragi rushes to find her and help her, like Araragi always does. Hence the "You never change, Araragi-senpai" from Ougi.

the student Araragi chases is indeed a first year, confirmed by the ribbon she wears
the only thing not confirmed is the girl at the graduation screen, we should assume is someone close to Kanbaru, and the monogatari series is known for not even making models for the side characters, so she being there means that is either someone important or someone we know, and Higasa is the only option i can think of, even if its a long shot
but then again, nothing of this regarding the end credits screen is confirmed

hopefully someone can clarify this final part
 
Aug 13, 2017 6:37 PM

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@Panaru
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@Swagernator

Actually people might think this is the ending of the main story but it is not. Not even close.

We have Zoko-Owari which is the real ending and shows everyone and how they moved on after the events.

We also have some arcs that shows us the future like Araragi after collage and working as
and his relationship with Hitagi etc.

So this ending we got just concludes the Owari.
have you read Zoku?
This is the ending of main story. Zoku is just an extra. Off season are side stories, I haven't read Shinobumonogatari(Monster season) yet but my guess is it's the same as Zoku.
 
Aug 13, 2017 6:41 PM

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As much as I wanted the main storyline to continue, I have to admit... This is a truly great way to finish the series, as not only are the 3 arcs superb, but it also gives closure to every character. I give this season a 9.5/10

I'm gonna miss this series so damn much!

BTW, I am not an expert with the books so, can someone tell me if there are more books planned for the future and how many arcs have not yet made it to the adaptation??
 
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Inokori said:
Nyoro said:


She isn't Higasa. Higasa is a classmate of Kanbaru and, as such, a 2nd year - until Hanamonogatari events.

The girl is just a student who seems to be in some kind of distress, and so Araragi rushes to find her and help her, like Araragi always does. Hence the "You never change, Araragi-senpai" from Ougi.

the student Araragi chases is indeed a first year, confirmed by the ribbon she wears
the only thing not confirmed is the girl at the graduation screen, we should assume is someone close to Kanbaru, and the monogatari series is known for not even making models for the side characters, so she being there means that is either someone important or someone we know, and Higasa is the only option i can think of, even if its a long shot
but then again, nothing of this regarding the end credits screen is confirmed

hopefully someone can clarify this final part


yep that is Higasa. Her hair is quite recognisable and she appears before giving Kanbaru the bouquets she's going to give as a present
 
 
Aug 13, 2017 7:32 PM

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Great ending. The solutions in this series are always shockingly simple for all the talk and build up, the actual actions the characters take aren't complicated. This arc was solved simply by Koyomi calling out Ougi Oshino as himself and for a twist, Meme Oshino acknowledging her as his niece.
 
Aug 13, 2017 7:58 PM

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10/10 Would definitely rewatch again.

Ougi showing actual emotions was the greatest thing that I've seen in the series.
 
Aug 13, 2017 8:30 PM
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I just started a couple weeks ago monogatari and it didn't cross my mind that this was about going to end! i aplaud you people who followed for so long!

i hope shaft continue at least adapting zoko-owari

i'm so happy that decided to watch this! i will give this series a 9/10

Hitagi senjogahara i love you!
 
Aug 13, 2017 8:31 PM
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GOD BLESS MAYOI!

ps: after Kizumonogatari Definitely hanekwa > Senjougahara
 
Aug 13, 2017 8:36 PM

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Dam that was a wonderful ending. I remember a while back me and a classmate were arguing. The claimed Ougi was another version of Koyomi (didnt read novel btw) and I still stuck with the idea that Ougi was Meme's niece. I wonder who was right in the end lol. Anyways Shinobu back to being a Loli Shadow and Mayoi now a kami meaning she be devoured by the darkness. Also Hitagi long hair ftw.
 
Aug 13, 2017 8:38 PM

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Good conclusion, and good ending, it pleased me so much. Thank you Nisio-san for the story, thank you Shaft for making a good adaptation.

I like how Koyomi being Koyomi, in the end he still decide to save Ougi (or should I said 'himself'?)

Like always, even after the curtain closed and an arc ended, question still lingering here and there.


I can't get enough to see Shinobu here, lel. A powerful Vampire turn to be a loving/cuddle-able (or cud-able?) girl. She hug her Koyomi 1 eps long, and decide to be a loli where she can be spoiled by Araragi 24/7 :p

 
Aug 13, 2017 10:20 PM

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About Gaen, which one that she predict actually?
I guess her prediction is, the disorder in this town will be solved tonight.

and I just curious what will happen if Ougi 'did' being sucked by Darkness

She will be vanished, with the same rule that Gaen explained to Araragi in Monogatari series second season Mayoi's arc.

I can't get enough to see Shinobu here, lel. A powerful Vampire turn to be a loving/cuddle-able (or cud-able?) girl. She hug her Koyomi 1 eps long, and decide to be a loli where she can be spoiled by Araragi 24/7 :p
We all know that this is the true reason why the ending is 10/10
*winks*
 
Aug 13, 2017 11:04 PM

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absolutely perfect
all 96 episodes + 3 movies were building up to this: a fitting end
10/10
 
 
Aug 13, 2017 11:26 PM

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I just really happy hearing Oshino's catchphrase again

 
Aug 14, 2017 12:21 AM
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What an GREAT anime! Really amazing! Couldn't rate 10 because the whole episode was so intense and full of mystery and so thrilling and my heart was racing all the time and my eyes teared out of excitement BUT THEN the last last scene cooled me off too quickly. Usually that's what the ending song do for me but when I reached the ED I was already thinking and contemplating how great this series is and feel pity for my normie friends that don't watch anime because they're close-minded. Maybe if they tried a different approach, like switching ed with the last scene, I probably would've felt different, I don't know.
A bit silly, I recognize that but that's just how I feel.

Is it okay to feel dumber whenever I watch Monogatari Series? I mean, even though it gives you lots of hints, words and moments that makes you remember past scenes, I still feel too dumb for this, like I'm missing something (like brain cells). I legit feel like that.
 
 
Aug 14, 2017 1:50 AM

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I guess her prediction is, the disorder in this town will be solved tonight.


ah, I see, whatever the route Araragi take, the outcome will still be the same, peaceful and happy ending.

She will be vanished, with the same rule that Gaen explained to Araragi in Monogatari series second season Mayoi's arc.

lel, pretty essential eh? thank you for remind me that. This Araragi is Ougi is Araragi made me slight overthink things and think Araragi would suffer some consequence if Ougi die.


We all know that this is the true reason why the ending is 10/10
*winks*


Agreed.
What you type on MAL; simple smile emoji, :D

what happen on your brain and heart actually;
*Captain, the SHIP hit the iceberg captain!! the ship is now sinking!* <sfx sfx>

you know, this is f*cking damn cute, and this hit me more because I just re-watch Koyomi x Shinobu kiss scene another day [don't judge me pls], and to know Shinobu actually like it, it just make my heart melt.

*cough* sorry, I got carried away, just ignored this message pls

BRB gotta get some dose of Senjougahara Hitagi to cure this.
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Aug 14, 2017 4:04 AM
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Pretty spot on perfect conclusion imo.

That said this season was basically entirely carried by Ougi Dark for me,not that Mayoi Hell or Hitagi Rendezvous were bad they were fine but really couldn't compare to Ougi Dark.

8/10 overall solely because of Ougi Dark.


 
Aug 14, 2017 4:48 AM

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Just binged watched the entire 7 episodes and they were perfect.

Watching Koyomi saying farewell to his adolescence in the form of Ougi was quite visceral, not to mention him ending up doing what he does best in the end, saving others (this time a physical alter-ego of himself) with no regard for himself.

Then the ending where Tsubasa, after running ragged for 3 seasons, coming back right on cue with Meme, and throwing up a "I win" signal.... I have no words. :D

With this, we've come to the end of the climax of our Monogatari story I guess. Just ZokuOwari and the other parts to fill in the gaps.... unless Nisio ever decides to revisit this wonderful universe of his.

Been hooked on this series since it's first premiered 8 years ago when I graduated from Uni. Can't believe it's been so long, and still so good. Where has the time gone?
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Aug 14, 2017 6:22 AM

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This is the best ending for the series I could've hoped for. I know there's a lot more to come after this, but I consider this as Monogatari's pinnacle point. I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to watch more of what's about to come from this point.

Also, Araragi and Shinobu's relationship has got to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in this series. Even more than his relationship with Senjougahara.
 
Aug 14, 2017 7:37 AM

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All lolis andl best girls are happy 10/10

Hitagi is gonna die of old age soon poor girl...
 
Aug 14, 2017 7:47 AM

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Yes, it's weird. If they hadn't put Higasa just after, I would simply have gone for the simple explanation, but now I'm confused. Well, if it's written as you say in the novels, I guess I have no reason to doubt.


It's most likely her, because she actually held off Kanbaru at the end.
 
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Can anyone explain me who was the girl with the short hair in the final scene?
I want to talk with people who likes good animes, the 2deep4u animes, spanish too , 4ever evangelion and monogatari
 
 
Aug 14, 2017 10:11 AM

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This feels like it would be pretty much the perfect way to end the series, as Araragi has graduated and finally saved himself (and Ougi in the process). Also, everyone finally came back again, including Meme Oshino himself with his famous catchphrase. In general, I'm just really glad that Araragi chose to save Ougi, as I came to care about her way more than I expected despite everything she's done (and that's not just because of what she actually was). Mind you, her survival makes her appearance as a boy in Hanamonogatari even more confusing than it already was, so there's that to explain. Either way, I hear that there's still Zokuowari to adapt, but I'd be surprised if it could top this.

The inevitable AOTS delivered, big time. 10/10
 
Aug 14, 2017 11:00 AM

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wow! this is the end right?
thank you monogatari series for this amazing-almost-a-decade-head-tilt-full ride. will miss you much!
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Aug 14, 2017 11:16 AM

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Damn that was amazing!!! Usually i wish for a new episode to come out as soon as possible, but after completing it in 2 days i really want to say why it ended so quickly =/
Those mini-interactions for Shinobu, Ononoki and Hachikuji, it was always such a cool gimmick and this time it was very enjoyable.
Ougi was pretty interesting character from the start, but overall her role was minor to be attached to her character in any way. And even this time she didn't have much screentime, but i feel like this time was her time to shine, or mb close to it, that farewell scene with Araragi was so good! Half through the way it was quite obvious what's going to happen, but still it was amazing! The only thing that was kinda dissapointed was how easily/fast Oshino Meme solved the problem, well i really wanted to see him in the end and sometimes the solution is just easy.
That ending scene with Hitagi, that blush!!! Still a little complaint for overall series, always thought that Gahara-san doesn't get much screen time for being "main girl"/lover, i think that even the date part was quite short.
And Shinobu's last line, Medetashi Medetashi ...
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This was great. Second time when I read ahead the novel before anime (first being Kizumonogatari) and just time and time again I feel that SHAFT novel adaptations are on-point. I actually felt sad when Ougi was about to be swallowed by the Darkness...
 
Aug 14, 2017 11:49 AM

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OMG this series was my favorite after monogatari 2nd season.

but, i regret everything what i've done in my life by reading ougi oshino's wiki.

but the feels in the end still hit me like crazy. the absolute best ending!

and the way senjougahara call koyomi, it's kinda cute eh wait...no it's so fucking cute.

perfect couple, perfect ending. ofc 10/10 series.

also, Mayoi-sama BANZAI!!!!
 
Aug 14, 2017 1:11 PM

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Then we finally see that Hachikuji is a god. She 'll be the best god in town because she's simply .


She will be the god of lolis.
 
Aug 14, 2017 1:24 PM
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That was bloody perfect! I wouldn't mind at all if they stopped adapting the novels and ended it here. We get so much closure for so many characters.

Almost a decade since I first saw this strange series with crazy art and non stop dialogue. What a ride it has been since then.
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Aug 14, 2017 2:03 PM

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Well, that was ONE way of saying goodbye to your adolescence.

That last scene with them graduating feels so satisfying. I've been waiting almost a decade for it! I still prefer Kiss Shot's older form, though; I will miss it ;_;7
 
Aug 14, 2017 2:13 PM

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Great End 9/10



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such a fun scene. Kiss Shot da bess <3
 
 
Aug 14, 2017 3:05 PM

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that was amazing, everything tied up nicely together 10/10
 
Aug 14, 2017 3:13 PM

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One moment that I liked that is missing from Ougi's confrontation:

“Oh, that’s right. Araragi-senpai. I have one more thing to say to you. It’s about your university entrance exam… You may be under the impression that you made a fairly good showing, but you know your best subject, math? From about halfway through that section, you were one line off on the answer sheet.”

“What?!”

“You must’ve been in a tizzy, what with everything going on—my condolences. After a disaster like that in your best subject, surely your prospects of passing are dismal. Try again next year,” Ougi-chan teases mean-spiritedly.


A prankster to the very end, that Ougi-chan. :)
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Aug 14, 2017 4:27 PM

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Oh god that was soo satysfing. Shed no tears, but I loved every second of this.

As much as It pains me to see Shinobu revert to her loli form, im so happy that gets to stay with Araragi forevah.

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Aug 14, 2017 11:31 PM
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This empty feeling from seeing "7 episodes" way back and despite the length of the episodes feeling empty now that it's all over at "Episode 3". This might be the first time I'm lamenting the lack of filler in a series.
 
Aug 15, 2017 12:20 AM

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Boi, boi, boi, boi, boi, boi, boi, boi Now I finally know who Ougi really is. I loved this. I LOVED this. 100/10.

But bois, we still have zoku-owari, Off season and still Monster Season.

Do u guys think they'll adapt all of this?
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Wow I'm not surprised this episode is rated so incredibly highly. It's easily up there as best endings for an anime of all time IMO. Definitely the best for something this long. It's all so obvious in retrospect. Every character arc is solved by them accepting the oddity that represents their negative emotions and only koyomi was left after season 2. In that case what else could ougi have even been if not an oddity representing the negative sides to koyomi?

I feel like the ending here let me have my cake and eat it too. Not only was it a truly happy ending where everyone lost in season 1 and 2 is back, all of the characters have experienced real growth, all of them are on the right path forward it seems, meme shows back up (almost expected him to actually be an oddity after all this especially with how he appears in kizu conveniently), and we even get a reference to the fabled toothbrush scene, but also it all made perfect sense.

Normally I'm happy if an ending is either well put together OR happy cause I feel like if it's negative it needs strong justification but if it's happy I can just not really care why but in this shows case it's both. Season 2 for me was one I hated but still couldn't find any holes in it. I just didn't want to lose the characters I was so attached too. Having them all back and better than ever while giving closure to everything was almost too much to ask for.

Easily my most enjoyable episode of anime this year replacing the anitclimax with kaiki in karen bee that I saw just a couple days ago.

Also seems I totally misread that crying girl at the end. I thought it was Higasa hilariously misunderstanding why kanbaru had a bouquet for someone since secretly Higasa is love with kanbaru because please I need her yuri to actually amount to something dammit. I guess I just saw what I wanted to see.
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Man this is absolutely as fantastic and perfect an ending as it can get. I love it with how everything comes back in a full circle to Araragi and he won back himself(Ougi) with help from Hanekawa and Meme of course, that was so beautifully done!!

This series has given me so much entertainment throughout the years I've been following it, love all the characters to bits! Really am glad that Hachikuji got that promotion to a diety, I still remember getting all teary emotional with the parting episode lol.

On to Kizumonogatri next for me and hope we will see all the other side stories some day as well!
 
Aug 15, 2017 1:54 AM
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I think this arc makes me wish there were no more spinoffs/side stories/epilogues and whatnot because this actually felt like a real ending. I don't know much about what else there is to come but I just hope they won't make the conclusiveness of this arc not feel as... well, conclusive

That aside, for Owari S2 itself, I think the first two arcs were pretty average but the last one was quite good. On average probably 6-7/10

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