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Jul 30, 2017 9:31 AM
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He's a hero, because Ali didn't want to fight in the vietnam war citing his religious beliefs and opposition to American involvement in the Vietnam War.

''I'm gonna fight for the prestige, not for me, but to uplift my little brothers who are sleeping on concrete floors today in America.''

He wanted to be the greatest and He is at least in my opinion.
even after retiring Ali devoted his life to religious and charitable work.

What do you think of him?
Edit: this comes from someone who wants to become a champion myself and train every day for it.
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he lived by his words, so i respect him


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Jul 30, 2017 9:52 AM
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nothing special there are million of people who did better shit than him . but at least they weren't crying because they are not the best
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He had tenacity, he had balls, he had charisma, and talent. He used what he had effectively.

I see him as an example to use for inspiration, perhaps not for me personally to emulate, but certainly for inspiration on my own goals.
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I doubt they're include this in the movie.
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kikyo1hinamora said:
nothing special there are million of people who did better shit than him . but at least they weren't crying because they are not the best
well, compare him to you and you can see why he's a million times better than you (not that it's hard to beat).



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Turnip said:
kikyo1hinamora said:
nothing special there are million of people who did better shit than him . but at least they weren't crying because they are not the best
well, compare him to you and you can see why he's a million times better than you (not that it's hard to beat).
wow did I trigger you ? lol
he asked for our/ my opinion, i gave my opinion .
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Muhammed Ali was a German-born theoretical physicist. He developed the theory of relativity, one of the two pillars of modern physics (alongside quantum mechanics). Ali's work is also known for its influence on the philosophy of science.Ali is best known by the general public for his mass–energy equivalence formula E = mc2 (which has been dubbed "the world's most famous equation"). He received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics "for his services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect", a pivotal step in the evolution of quantum theory.
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kikyo1hinamora said:
Turnip said:
well, compare him to you and you can see why he's a million times better than you (not that it's hard to beat).
wow did I trigger you ? lol
he asked for our/ my opinion, i gave my opinion .
You didn't trigger me, you said your opinion so I responded with another opinion.



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I could search on google, but I'm too lazy, so I'll just ask a stupid and ignorant question: Who is this Muhammed Ali?
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Wasn't he a National Socialist. Also, good that he's against racial mixing, since it leads to less diversity.
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kikyo1hinamora said:
nothing special there are million of people who did better shit than him . but at least they weren't crying because they are not the best


Sure, there are million of people who did better shit then him in other fields.

In boxing I doubt you can even name 5 guys who come close to Ali.
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He just was kind of a racist dick really. Can't say much for him later in his life.

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I don't know much about him tbh
I just know he was a famous boxer



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Jul 31, 2017 3:58 AM

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He just was kind of a racist dick really. Can't say much for him later in his life.



He wasn't a racist dick...

He was against racism.
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Takamura-sama said:
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He just was kind of a racist dick really. Can't say much for him later in his life.



He wasn't a racist dick...

He was against racism.

Nope... he definitely was a racist against white people that promoted racial separatism.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/06/07/civil-rights-champion-muhammad-ali-was-anything-but/En45jgnZU2ukPf7GA0IgrL/story.html
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traed said:
Takamura-sama said:


He wasn't a racist dick...

He was against racism.

Nope... he definitely was a racist against white people that promoted racial separatism.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/06/07/civil-rights-champion-muhammad-ali-was-anything-but/En45jgnZU2ukPf7GA0IgrL/story.html

Lies lol, you people really believe that crap?
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Good for him. Vietnam was a bullshit war started under false pretences that sadly resulted in thousands of pointless deaths on both sides of the conflict.
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Nope... he definitely was a racist against white people that promoted racial separatism.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/06/07/civil-rights-champion-muhammad-ali-was-anything-but/En45jgnZU2ukPf7GA0IgrL/story.html

Lies lol, you people really believe that crap?


That article links to various video interviews with him. There is solid proof ffs
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Lies lol, you people really believe that crap?


That article links to various video interviews with him. There is solid proof ffs
racial separatism =/= racism, separatism isn't racial discrimination dude. Maybe if he thought white people were monkeys that would be a different story but thinking two races shouldn't mix? Nah, that's just his opinion. He's actually rather respectful about it, he doesn't saying any racist bigotry he just states his disapproval of it. I mean you could say it's extreme that he believes they should be killed if they mix, but as far as I'm concerned I can't see any articles of him killing someone.

If you can show me some racist quotes, I'll be happy. But racial separatism isn't racial discrimination, two completely different fish, don't label tuna salmon dude.



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That article links to various video interviews with him. There is solid proof ffs
racial separatism =/= racism, separatism isn't racial discrimination dude. Maybe if he thought white people were monkeys that would be a different story but thinking two races shouldn't mix? Nah, that's just his opinion. He's actually rather respectful about it, he doesn't saying any racist bigotry he just states his disapproval of it. I mean you could say it's extreme that he believes they should be killed if they mix, but as far as I'm concerned I can't see any articles of him killing someone.

If you can show me some racist quotes, I'll be happy. But racial separatism isn't racial discrimination, two completely different fish, don't label tuna salmon dude.


Racism isn't just racial discrimination. Separatism is rooted in the idea that other races are bad to be around. There isnt a single separatist out there that isnt a racist.

"all your guns and your bombs and your poisons are created by your white race" (hes implying all violence is solely because of white people)

Im slightly paraphrasing since how he talks is hard to transcribe
"i will say whiskey and homosexuality if you go back to england to your country they kicked out a lot of the whites and they was the ones that landed up here" (he basically only thinks white people are gay and he is disgusted by gays which he goes over more in other interviews)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcrc5aD5uGo

"not society, god made us different" (about races and he's talking more than just looks but culture. He thinks culture is racially based while this isnt racist in itself it's at the base of what racists beleive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ME0RJaAXY

"my enemy iss white people" ( though for the time this was a fair enough thing to say but generalising all white people it's still racist. There were white people that fought for black rights so...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KKCDoUocXk

"all white people are devils"
"God wasnt wrong because I aint seen no good ones yet"
"everything wrong black people do come from you (white man) drinking, smoking, prostitution, homosexuality, lying ,stealing, gambling it all come from you"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyad99ncEp0
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Racism isn't just racial discrimination. Separatism is rooted in the idea that other races are bad to be around.
No, separatism is rooted in the idea that other races shouldn't breed together and should be separate, what you just said was just your own delusional conclusion.



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The guy had pride, and he had it for a reason, he was a great boxer and a good role model.
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Takamura-sama said:
He's a hero, because Ali didn't want to fight in the vietnam war citing his religious beliefs and opposition to American involvement in the Vietnam War.

''I'm gonna fight for the prestige, not for me, but to uplift my little brothers who are sleeping on concrete floors today in America.''

He wanted to be the greatest and He is at least in my opinion.
even after retiring Ali devoted his life to religious and charitable work.

What do you think of him?
Edit: this comes from someone who wants to become a champion myself and train every day for it.


I have looked up to him as a hero, a lot of us has, yes I don't much about his political opinion and I think this thread could have been more about "man the fk up and tell me why do you respect Ali so much" lol, he was a great man and many have looked up to him, he had goals, be achieved them, be reached the place among top, it's one of few cases where a person becomes something from just nothing at all, also I am one of those few people who does not disliked the idea of separatism as it really means we will have our diversity infact, although I am not really against interracial marriage, I just wish diversity does not ends as differences are a fun thing if you can make it actually work lol.

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I could search on google, but I'm too lazy, so I'll just ask a stupid and ignorant question: Who is this Muhammed Ali?


You are gay are not you? Either that or you are probably a woman 😤 lol jk, he was a boxer, a very good one on top it, but don't worry, if it is not your personal interest , then it's still okay to not know about it to be honest.

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Turnip said:
well, compare him to you and you can see why he's a million times better than you (not that it's hard to beat).
wow did I trigger you ? lol
he asked for our/ my opinion, i gave my opinion .


No, you see the thing is he asked for opinion, he did not ask for shit, your opinion happen to be shit just like value of your existence, take it easy.
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Turnip said:
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Racism isn't just racial discrimination. Separatism is rooted in the idea that other races are bad to be around.
No, separatism is rooted in the idea that other races shouldn't breed together and should be separate, what you just said was just your own delusional conclusion.


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Turnip said:
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Racism isn't just racial discrimination. Separatism is rooted in the idea that other races are bad to be around.
No, separatism is rooted in the idea that other races shouldn't breed together and should be separate, what you just said was just your own delusional conclusion.


And why would they think that? You are avoiding the obvious.
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No, separatism is rooted in the idea that other races shouldn't breed together and should be separate, what you just said was just your own delusional conclusion.


And why would they think that? You are avoiding the obvious.
Because that's what racial separation means. It means you believe they should be separate. I mean I might have even went too far by saying they shouldn't breed together but that's part n parcel of living separated.

Either way dude if you believe it's not what I said and instead what you said then by all means search up it on the web to see how you wrong you are. I'm not avoiding the obvious, it's just you're oblivious to the definition.



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Jim Crow and apartheid had zero to do with racism fam. The people who created these laws just happened to believe blacks were inferior to white people
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He was a great boxer and an inspiration to many but beyond that he wasn't too intelligent and a bit racist.

He changed his original name given by "white slave owners" to a muslim one as a sign of "black freedom" or some bs like that, ignoring the fact that muslims oppressed and enslaved Sub-Saharan Africans for way longer than Europeans/Americans did, and forced their religion on them (similarly to how African slaves were converted to Christianity). This is something that always baffled me, if he wanted to make a statement with his name change why not give himself a Yoruba, Igbo or Bantu name? Why name himself after a culture that did the same shit Europeans did, if the reason for the name change was that he didn't want a name given by a culture that oppressed his race? O.o

Seems like a typical case of a black rights activist not knowing shit about history beyond "le whites are evil". Coincidentally, this is a common trait among BLM supporters and Tumblr activists...

He also wanted racial segregation which is pretty much racist, but of course since he is an icon and black it's obviously not racist. White people advocating the same is racist, becuz only whites can be racist.
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He's a good guy/role model. He's cool...

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And why would they think that? You are avoiding the obvious.
Because that's what racial separation means. It means you believe they should be separate. I mean I might have even went too far by saying they shouldn't breed together but that's part n parcel of living separated.

Either way dude if you believe it's not what I said and instead what you said then by all means search up it on the web to see how you wrong you are. I'm not avoiding the obvious, it's just you're oblivious to the definition.


You avoided the question. Why would anyone believe that ?
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He was a great boxer and an inspiration to many but beyond that he wasn't too intelligent and a bit racist.

He changed his original name given by "white slave owners" to a muslim one as a sign of "black freedom" or some bs like that, ignoring the fact that muslims oppressed and enslaved Sub-Saharan Africans for way longer than Europeans/Americans did, and forced their religion on them (similarly to how African slaves were converted to Christianity). This is something that always baffled me, if he wanted to make a statement with his name change why not give himself a Yoruba, Igbo or Bantu name? Why name himself after a culture that did the same shit Europeans did, if the reason for the name change was that he didn't want a name given by a culture that oppressed his race? O.o


Islam didn't enslave people so much as it conquered them. For the most part, the Muslim Empire was actually quite tolerant towards captured lands. However, even if they did take servants, that wouldn't have been on a racial basis so much as a trophy of war. They were more like the American Indians in this regard - arguably a very different phenomenon then the type of plantation slavery perpetuated by whites in America.

When Muhammad Ali took an Islamic name, he was definitely rebelling against the white power structure in America. That's probably what was most important about the decision.

Anyways what can you say about him he was a badass boxer and a real social force to be reckoned with.
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Because that's what racial separation means. It means you believe they should be separate. I mean I might have even went too far by saying they shouldn't breed together but that's part n parcel of living separated.

Either way dude if you believe it's not what I said and instead what you said then by all means search up it on the web to see how you wrong you are. I'm not avoiding the obvious, it's just you're oblivious to the definition.


You avoided the question. Why would anyone believe that ?
Okay dude, I'll re-answer your question which you missed since it must have been hard to find the answer in my two sentences. People think that racial separation means that races should be separated because that's what separation means.

Now I'm going to explain to you what separation means because you're a little slow today but that's okay man we can't all be me. So separation means to separate things. So if I wanted butter removed from water so the butter is all by itself, that's called separation. Notice how when I said I wanted to remove the butter from the water, well we can say I wanted to "separate" that butter from the water.

Now, let that piece of information stick, reread it if you're still struggling. Now when I separate the butter from the water, do I just want the two apart or do I want the two apart because I believe the two are bad to be together? Well dude it doesn't mean the second part.

I'm sorry if you thought it meant the second part but nowhere under the sun does separation mean to separate two things because they are bad together, that's just bullshit dude. I'm sure there's a few people that think like that and you definitely sound like one of them. But racial separation doesn't mean that dude. racial separation only means to separate races, not separate races because they're bad to be around each other. Notice how when I explained your definition I had to add on a whole explanation? That's because I'm diving away from the original meaning and adding on to it.

I'll make some more examples because you're really struggling with these two words, but that's okay dude. So let's talk about obesity.

What's obesity mean? It means that they're too fat. BUT! I think obese people are just lazy greedy shits that are killing themselves.

So does obesity mean, that the person is a lazy greedy person that's trying to kill themselves? Or the person is grossly overweight/fat?

It actually just means the person is very fat, that second "definition" wasn't actually a definition at all. It was my opinion which people like you mistake as your own definition but that's okay dude, we all make mistakes.



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You avoided the question. Why would anyone believe that ?
Okay dude, I'll re-answer your question which you missed since it must have been hard to find the answer in my two sentences. People think that racial separation means that races should be separated because that's what separation means.

Now I'm going to explain to you what separation means because you're a little slow today but that's okay man we can't all be me. So separation means to separate things. So if I wanted butter removed from water so the butter is all by itself, that's called separation. Notice how when I said I wanted to remove the butter from the water, well we can say I wanted to "separate" that butter from the water.

Now, let that piece of information stick, reread it if you're still struggling. Now when I separate the butter from the water, do I just want the two apart or do I want the two apart because I believe the two are bad to be together? Well dude it doesn't mean the second part.

I'm sorry if you thought it meant the second part but nowhere under the sun does separation mean to separate two things because they are bad together, that's just bullshit dude. I'm sure there's a few people that think like that and you definitely sound like one of them. But racial separation doesn't mean that dude. racial separation only means to separate races, not separate races because they're bad to be around each other. Notice how when I explained your definition I had to add on a whole explanation? That's because I'm diving away from the original meaning and adding on to it.

I'll make some more examples because you're really struggling with these two words, but that's okay dude. So let's talk about obesity.

What's obesity mean? It means that they're too fat. BUT! I think obese people are just lazy greedy shits that are killing themselves.

So does obesity mean, that the person is a lazy greedy person that's trying to kill themselves? Or the person is grossly overweight/fat?

It actually just means the person is very fat, that second "definition" wasn't actually a definition at all. It was my opinion which people like you mistake as your own definition but that's okay dude, we all make mistakes.


I'm not slow you're just incapable of answering a simple question. Why pussy foot around? You're not answering why would someone think races should be separate. All youre doing is repeating yourself without answer. you're obviously afraid of giving an answer.

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I'm not slow you're just incapable of answering a simple question. Why pussy foot around? You're not answering why would someone think races should be separate. All youre doing is repeating yourself without answer. you're obviously afraid of giving an answer.
Well I'm not someone that's not me am I? How the fuck do you expect me to answer that? Maybe they want pure breeds like dogs. Maybe they want to see what they'd do by themselves, maybe they would live better by themselves. Maybe the world shines better when they're by themselves. I don't fuckin' know what everyone's going to think bro. I just know what you thought and what you thought was wrong and not the definition.

I'm not you nor the rest of the world I can only give you my idea for racial separation and the set definition. And my idea for racial separation is to not do it. I don't believe in racial separation at all so I can't even give you my idea for racial separation. Someone could believe in racial separation for a million and one things, but I'm not going to go out of my way and generalize it. Especially not anything like what you said it 'meant'.



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However, even if they did take servants, that wouldn't have been on a racial basis so much as a trophy of war.

The concept of a White Race was created by Arabic Muslims (Muhammad is the Whitest Person in all of History in their Hadiths, so White you can't tell if a piece of paper is just a piece of paper or a picture of Muhammad) and their enslavement of Blacks was justified on what would be called today as racial grounds as the Arabs believed that all Blacks were an inferior sub-Human species who needed to be enslaved lest they commit crimes.

They sterilized all the Blacks they made slaves of to make sure they couldn't mate with anyone to pollute them with Blackness and whenever there was a war they massacred the Black Slaves on mass if they were on the losing side. Here's the most obvious example:


Here's some good quotes by Arabic Muslim Scholars on Blacks
The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].

"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."

"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."

"If (all types of men) are taken, from the first, and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the Southern-most countries, the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth -in no other peculiarity or property - except for what Allah wished. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent.
"Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people — but Allah knows best. As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence."
"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence."
"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq … do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two."
"The geographer al-Idrisi ascribes 'lack of knowledge and defective minds' to the black peoples. Their ignorance, he says, is notorious; men of learning and distinction are almost unknown among them, and their kings only acquire what they know about government and justice from the instruction of learned visitors from farther north."
"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament."
"[inhabitants of sub-Saharan African countries] are people distant from the standards of humanity" "Their nature is that of wild animals...."

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xrockxz89 said:
However, even if they did take servants, that wouldn't have been on a racial basis so much as a trophy of war.

The concept of a White Race was created by Arabic Muslims (Muhammad is the Whitest Person in all of History in their Hadiths, so White you can't tell if a piece of paper is just a piece of paper or a picture of Muhammad) and their enslavement of Blacks was justified on what would be called today as racial grounds as the Arabs believed that all Blacks were an inferior sub-Human species who needed to be enslaved lest they commit crimes.

They sterilized all the Blacks they made slaves of to make sure they couldn't mate with anyone to pollute them with Blackness and whenever there was a war they massacred the Black Slaves on mass if they were on the losing side. Here's the most obvious example:


Here's some good quotes by Arabic Muslim Scholars on Blacks
The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].

"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."

"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."

"If (all types of men) are taken, from the first, and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the Southern-most countries, the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth -in no other peculiarity or property - except for what Allah wished. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent.
"Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people — but Allah knows best. As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence."
"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence."
"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq … do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two."
"The geographer al-Idrisi ascribes 'lack of knowledge and defective minds' to the black peoples. Their ignorance, he says, is notorious; men of learning and distinction are almost unknown among them, and their kings only acquire what they know about government and justice from the instruction of learned visitors from farther north."
"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament."
"[inhabitants of sub-Saharan African countries] are people distant from the standards of humanity" "Their nature is that of wild animals...."



Sounds as though the black people of the Tulunids were being used as infantry and that is why they were wiped out. They simply massacred the infantry.

Yeah and those other quotes are clearly just some racist Arabic dudes. I'm not saying such people don't exist. I was basing my statement on a cohesive analysis of the Islamic Empire's expansion, and their general policies.

In general, they were surprisingly tolerant to conquered people, who were allowed to keep their own religion, and encouraged to integrate. I'm sure Cassius Clay would have been applauded by the Muslims of the time.

As for calling Muhammad 'white,' well that may well be a translation issue. What they mean by 'white' could be very different from the color of the man's skin, which was surely dark. Sounds like they were calling him 'radiant' or something which is a commonly found description of sages and prophets, they were calling him a 'being of light.'

And anyways man I'm not trying to call the Muslims the 'good guys' here or anything like that. I'm just trying to show how their notion of slavery would have been different from the colonial plantation slavery we saw in America. That's really all you need to show how Muhammad Ali was definitely breaking with his birth culture by adopting an Islamic name.

To be honest, I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me with your research. Is that supposed to show how Muhammad Ali is ignorant, or something?
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@Neane93 I don't know who those "Arabic Muslims" are and on what are their hadith based, but there's not a single hadith from a well known and respectable narrator that has said that the Prophet's skin was white.

Most of them narrate that his skin color would be by today's standards described as "light brown".
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Neane93 said:
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However, even if they did take servants, that wouldn't have been on a racial basis so much as a trophy of war.

The concept of a White Race was created by Arabic Muslims (Muhammad is the Whitest Person in all of History in their Hadiths, so White you can't tell if a piece of paper is just a piece of paper or a picture of Muhammad) and their enslavement of Blacks was justified on what would be called today as racial grounds as the Arabs believed that all Blacks were an inferior sub-Human species who needed to be enslaved lest they commit crimes.

They sterilized all the Blacks they made slaves of to make sure they couldn't mate with anyone to pollute them with Blackness and whenever there was a war they massacred the Black Slaves on mass if they were on the losing side. Here's the most obvious example:


Here's some good quotes by Arabic Muslim Scholars on Blacks
The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and proximity to the animal stage. Other persons who accept the status of slave do so as a means of attaining high rank, or power, or wealth, as is the case with the Mameluke Turks in the East and with those Franks and Galicians who enter the service of the state [in Spain].

"Beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings."

"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated."

"If (all types of men) are taken, from the first, and one placed after another, like the Negro from Zanzibar, in the Southern-most countries, the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except the fact that his hands have been lifted from the earth -in no other peculiarity or property - except for what Allah wished. Many have seen that the ape is more capable of being trained than the Negro, and more intelligent.
"Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father, and they eat people — but Allah knows best. As for the Zanj, they are people of black color, flat noses, kinky hair, and little understanding or intelligence."
"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence."
"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq … do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two."
"The geographer al-Idrisi ascribes 'lack of knowledge and defective minds' to the black peoples. Their ignorance, he says, is notorious; men of learning and distinction are almost unknown among them, and their kings only acquire what they know about government and justice from the instruction of learned visitors from farther north."
"Like the crow among mankind are the Zanj for they are the worst of men and the most vicious of creatures in character and temperament."
"[inhabitants of sub-Saharan African countries] are people distant from the standards of humanity" "Their nature is that of wild animals...."


What? seriously just what?
The concept of a "White Race" wasn't created by us. Before Islam emerged there were slaves, and discrimination against anybody who wasn't "Arab", so not solely against dark skinned/African people.
Muhammad PBUH wasn't the whitest person, where did you get that from?

You're just stating hate statements against Islam regardless of it's validity, and who the fuck is this "Arabic Muslim Scholar" fuck off. The term "Slave" in Islam isn't what you think it is, go research it if you would like to enlighten yourself, I doubt though.
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