Electik said: Deknijff said: pedophiles are those who find kids who haven't hit puberty sexy so you accusation is wrong since Mamster is calling sexually matured teenagers sexy they're..... still... minors.......its gross and shouldnt be defended, sorry i don't make the rules Electik said: Deknijff said: so finding someone who is sexually attractive attractive is wrong here? Where I live its not uncommon for 20-22 year olds to date 15-16 year olds You can't stop a sexually mature person from having sex as thats their human rights. We have laws to protect minors so they can't do porn or drink but what they do in the privacy of their own home is their right. Last I checked it wasn't so uncommon for girls to prefer older men and that men preferred younger girls so your expectations on reality are very stupid I also honestly feel you should apologise to Mamster for labelling him as something he is not since you should act mature here i do not care abt how things are where you live or whats common or not. ppl under 18 are children and adults should not be attracted to them fullstop. there are literally laws barring those kinds of relationships. i will not move on this and i will not apologize. Sexual attraction doesn't work like that... If one finds something attractive they can't really help it. Beside adult men finding sexually mature teenage girls attractive is quite normal, same with adult women finding sexually mature teenage boys attractive. And laws differ depending on the country so using that to defend your argument is quite weak. I can argue those same laws made it that same-sex couples age of consent was higher and didn't include Romeo and Juliet laws so thanks to them more young gay men were accused of sexual assault. Anyway we were talking about fiction (probably all those moms who read Twilight were secretly pedophiles because it's teenage romance and found that sparkling vampire and werewolf boy hot and they were underage) created in Japan so this discussion has zero relevance in this and how things go in your country. Shounen is targeted mainly towards teenage boys, so I see no reason why it wouldn't have fanservice including teenage girls. And BL is popular among teenage girls so there being teenage boys doing the dirty isn't nothing unusual. Teenagers are usually horny and exploring their sexuality. But back to you. You miss-use the word pedophile, that has really negative connotation and actual has a medical meaning. Thus making it lose the actual meaning and harder to be taken seriously. And being accused of pedophilia when you're not can actually harm lives, than thinking some anime chick is hot and usually they're made older by fans in explicit fan works (also lol Mamster was saying he likes drawn sexy women. Doesn't really sound something a pedophile or even ephebophile would say). No one even has said they would act on their attraction (if they even have one towards teenagers... No one has said they have, only that that attraction isn't abnormal), but you still treating everyone who disagrees with you like they're the devil and hurting teenagers when that's not the case. Just trying to argue with you. And teenagers don't really like when they're called children and that some one aged 15-17 wouldn't know what they actually want and feel. Just to be clear with that one because you're basically lumping them with elementary kids when calling them children. But I'm probably just brainwashed by this pedophilic society because the age of consent is 16 here and there can be exceptions regarding those laws. Also that fucking "sorry I don't make the rules" only misses UWU at the end and it's like straight out off that Hellsite. |
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Electik said: Deknijff said: so finding someone who is sexually attractive attractive is wrong here? Where I live its not uncommon for 20-22 year olds to date 15-16 year olds You can't stop a sexually mature person from having sex as thats their human rights. We have laws to protect minors so they can't do porn or drink but what they do in the privacy of their own home is their right. Last I checked it wasn't so uncommon for girls to prefer older men and that men preferred younger girls so your expectations on reality are very stupid I also honestly feel you should apologise to Mamster for labelling him as something he is not since you should act mature here i do not care abt how things are where you live or whats common or not. ppl under 18 are children and adults should not be attracted to them fullstop. there are literally laws barring those kinds of relationships. i will not move on this and i will not apologize. The law is basically a bunch of rules that are decided by the people's representants and are supposed to mirror a society's values. Treating it like some absolute thing is stupid. Laws change, and aren't always good. To put it in perspective, here in France the age of consent is 15, it's 14 in most of Europe. People aren't exactly marrying children or teens despite that. Weed is illegal, but as far as I'm aware, it's less dangerous both for the user and those around him than legal and socially encouraged alcohol. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: judging from how many people in the anime community can't seem to make their own decisions.. i'd say its pretty damn strong here think about all the shit people say "how should i?" "is it ok if i?" "i don't know whether or not to" "im not gonna watch this cause i heard its bad" etc Jonouchi-Katsuya said: Well that just isn't true. Gunbuster is pretty serious. But guess what? The breasts only move what is realistic for them to be moving. Which is something I greatly appreciate. I like that they don't randomly hide that tits move in different ways. I thought the boob movement in that was amazingly done. I think there are plenty of good dramas with moving tits. And anyone who is offended by the fact that boobs move probably just don't even like the idea of women being in action anime in the first place. It actually annoyed me a bit that even though we saw Kagome naked, pantsu was just not a thing. lol. She was wearing such a short skirt. i don't consider Gunbuster serious.. i don't care about the premise of a show i care about the tone many people like to take anime like Akame ga Kill!, HoTD, Taboo Tattoo, etc seriously, just because there is drama death, violence and gore, but it just doenst work that way, that doesn't mean a show is meant to be taken seriously. i equate those anime with western movies like Machete, Deadpool and Rush Hour imo if a show is to be taken seriously they shouldn't be constantly trying to make me laugh, which anime doesn't all the time, hence giving me the impression that most anime isn't meant to be, which i've heard before, and knowing japan, thats probably the case since they tend to turn anything into a joke The tone of the show starts off light. and there is more fanservice at the start. But it ends more serious and I donno. It doesn't feel out of place because it set itself up with good world building. I don't hate this kind of show that is both serious and fanservicey. High School of the Dead is not serious. Never felt it was- but it does have a quality energy to it. It made fanservice really function in it's world. The piece really works. I don't think Akame ga kill got this mix the same way. Least it didn't hit the mark of what I want for me. I don't see anything wrong with telling a serious story with fanservice though. Video Girl Ai will always be one of my favorite romances. And I will always feel that the romantic elements had a much greater impact on me than anything else. And as much as it had some silly ecchi moments and comedy there was some over the top dramatic elements as well. All of which I felt blended to the story very well. I could take it very seriously. And despite how fucking silly it is, and how intentionally silly it is, I cried a lot watching Chuu Bra because I related to the characters on a deep level. I also really liked the pantsu and wished I had friends like that. But I guess because I am NOT totally distracted by panties, I can see what a good show Chuu Bra is despite the gimmicks it employs. Gimmicks which it very much blended seamlessly into it's story. I think in general being serious in an ecchi can result in worse ratings. Just like having beta males |
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MortalMelancholy said: It would be great if that was normally the case, but you too, should notice that most ecchi scenes are just uncreative and generic. Without any redeeming attributes, most ecchi anime have a bland and uninspiring cake that they don't eat. whether or not ecchi tropes are overused has nothing to do with the fact that its ecchi it has to do with the fact that its overused _Lightsbane said: I have a better question: why do people like fan service or echii stuff in their anime? no, that question is retarded.. are you a straight male who likes womens bodies? if the answer is yes, then there was no point in asking i've even seen you acknowledge the girls in a certain magical anime as being hot.. i don't believe for a second you didn't think the transformation sequences were sexy Electik said: i do not care abt how things are where you live or whats common or not. ppl under 18 are children and adults should not be attracted to them fullstop. there are literally laws barring those kinds of relationships. i will not move on this and i will not apologize. the fuck is wrong with you? making a law against something is not going to stop people from being attracted to it SenpieX said: Simple answer: Because people don't wanna fap every time they watch anime. then don't fap jiroutachi said: Yeah but... If someone doesn't want to fap to a series and see a titty, the fanservice becomes completely disposable (assuming we're talking about something with a serious plot rather than a full blown ecchi series like To Love Ru). I like fanservice, but it's understandable why it's unpleasant to try to watch something for a serious storyline or relaxed atmosphere and having the camera focusing on some girl's crotch while there's a serious conversation going on or something. that just means you're taking the show too seriously just because a show has drama doesn't mean the show is supposed to be serious |
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SuperRed said: Electik said: i do not care abt how things are where you live or whats common or not. ppl under 18 are children and adults should not be attracted to them fullstop. there are literally laws barring those kinds of relationships. i will not move on this and i will not apologize. "The laws says so" is not an argument since you can find many bad laws anywhere, sorry. 16 is the age of consent here too. lol. And most of the USA it is 17. And most of the world it is 15. Most of the world seems to be in agreement somewhere between 14-17. And the weirdos with 18-21 are just that, weirdos. It isn't about age which you are ready for sex. It is about age which you are no longer a pedo for fucking them. And since science has determined unless something is very wrong with you the last girls to get their period get it at 15- 15-16 is a logical age of consent. |
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Dpc292 said: Aidoru-Ojisan said: ...I do not know what a fujoshi is...You speak blasphemy my good man- wait can it be... you're a fujo? My god... well it's your opinion. I guess the bad representation of Yuri in Anime has made it distasteful for you, heck Netsuzou Trap doesn't improve anything tbh... I hate NTR, there I said it. A fujoahi is a Yaoi fan, boy x boy fan. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: am i really one of the few people who think fanservice always makes anime better? well shit lol its hard not to believe that at least some people are just jumping to the safe spot answer of "it depends", just so they don't come off as "too perverted" where are the shameless people who enjoy perversion being shown in any form and don't care what people think of it? cause its hard not to believe that at least some people are just jumping to the safe spot answer of "it depends", so they don't come off as "too perverted" much of the gripe people have with sexual fanservice is rooted in the "trying to make people horny is bad" mentality that society has, so i really wonder if people would still complain if society didn't think that way, and just instead embraced perversion, since pretending not to be perverted doesn't mean you're gonna having those hormones Anime tiddies is what got me into animu, not joking. Most of the show I used to watch on TV were to afraid to show skin, then I discovered anime. |
Valaskjalf said: Anime tiddies is what got me into animu, not joking. Most of the show I used to watch on TV were to afraid to show skin, then I discovered anime. how hot anime girls are was the main thing that attracted me to anime, then the tiddies were just a major bonus that only kept me interested i know several people who got into anime because they thought the girls were hot af.. so this idea that "you shouldn't try to get someone into anime using fanservice" its straight up BULLSHIT i even know some married men who only watch anime for the fanservice Seiya said: I hate fanservice so much, that I avoid Anime that has heavy amounts of it. Fanservice is one of the main reasons I'll never watch Yamato 2199. oh shit.. i guess i know what im watching next now thanks man :D @Jonouchi-Katsuya i really do feel that the biggest issue many people here have is that theyre just taking anime way too seriously i've said it 100x by now death, gore, blood, violence, and drama DO NOT mean a show is meant to be taken seriously |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Valaskjalf said: Anime tiddies is what got me into animu, not joking. Most of the show I used to watch on TV were to afraid to show skin, then I discovered anime. how hot anime girls are was the main thing that attracted me to anime, then the tiddies were just a major bonus that only kept me interested i know several people who got into anime because they thought the girls were hot af.. so this idea that "you shouldn't try to get someone into anime using fanservice" its straight up BULLSHIT i even know some married men who only watch anime for the fanservice Seiya said: I hate fanservice so much, that I avoid Anime that has heavy amounts of it. Fanservice is one of the main reasons I'll never watch Yamato 2199. oh shit.. i guess i know what im watching next now thanks man :D @Jonouchi-Katsuya i really do feel that the biggest issue many people here have is that theyre just taking anime way too seriously i've said it 100x by now death, gore, blood, violence, and drama DO NOT mean a show is meant to be taken seriously If they want a serious thing that is 100% serious and could happen in reality then they should watch something live action no? I think the point of animation is to do something you cannot do in reality or would be kinda expensive otherwise. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: death, gore, blood, violence, and drama DO NOT mean a show is meant to be taken seriously Not taking something seriously doesn't mean you shouldn't care about its quality, tho. It doesn't make shit writing or execution any more interesting or excusable. |
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Clebardman said: EcchiKingMamster said: death, gore, blood, violence, and drama DO NOT mean a show is meant to be taken seriously Not taking something seriously doesn't mean you shouldn't care about its quality, tho. It doesn't make shit writing or execution any more interesting or excusable. i've never disagreed that many anime are clear copy paste with no originality, using many of the same tropes over and over and yes, many fanservice anime are guilty of that, but thats not an arguement against fanservice, that's just an argument against not being creative im more concerned with the people who think its a bad thing for a creator to express their perversions in whichever way they choose, and that some people just can't accept that people are turned on by things that theyre not and have fetishes that they don't "i don't see the point of that camera angle showing her ass" well guess what.. someone else does and they like it.. just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean its unnecessary Jonouchi-Katsuya said: If they want a serious thing that is 100% serious and could happen in reality then they should watch something live action no? I think the point of animation is to do something you cannot do in reality or would be kinda expensive otherwise. yes, exactly.. fiction shouldn't fall under the same rules of reality, thats just wasting opportunity the point of fiction is that it shouldn't have rules and can be made however Hoppy said: Some people just don't take anime with fanservice seriously, I also think some are hypocrites if they watch and enjoy any idol anime because that's fanservice just with great music and characters. Now I do understand people who don't like big tits though, even in fanservice/ecchi, you don't need balloons for beasts and still have sexy chicks (unless you're Takaki who actually knows how to handle big tit anime chicks right, keep it under 90). some people like floppy balloon tits.. im one of them... they get my dick extra hard.. its called having a fetish.. idk why people can't accept this japan just really likes bouncy boobs, what is so hard for ppl to understand lol? Caciulacdlac said: Because I don't find it funny. Because, that's the point, isn't it? If I want to see an anime girl naked, I can watch a hentai. you preferring hentai doesn't mean regular anime shouldn't be full of tits |
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EcchiKingMamster said: MortalMelancholy said: It would be great if that was normally the case, but you too, should notice that most ecchi scenes are just uncreative and generic. Without any redeeming attributes, most ecchi anime have a bland and uninspiring cake that they don't eat. whether or not ecchi tropes are overused has nothing to do with the fact that its ecchi it has to do with the fact that its overused It has to do with studios seeing ecchi as a sort of fix-all, and thinking that they don't have to try to make an ecchi anime work. And the sad thing is that they're not wrong. This is to the detriment of both the quality and reputation of anime. |
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CatchyUsername said: I like female bodies. I think some anime characters are sexy. I do not want sexual fan service on most anime. It's like a plague, it's literally everywhere. PS: Sexual content does not equal service. Service has no point other than to make you reach for your dick. It has no consequence or relevance to the plot. A naked woman, by itself, doesn't make it service. A boob hanging out doesn't make it service. If it's relevant, it's not service. It's regular content, of a sexual nature. Anyone, above the age of 12, with any common sense can spot service one million miles away... its been literally everywhere since ancient times look at ancient paintings.. theyre pretty much nothing but fanservice, the people were idealized and drawn usually nude with perfect bodies thats just how we humans are programmed, we like to be turned on and there is nothing wrong with that. why are you saying its everywhere as if thats a bad thing and not just another part of the human condition? "it doesn't advance the plot" well im sorry, but theres more to animation than just the story/plot.. the only media in which the only thing that matters are story/plot are books, if you're going to animate something you have to care about more than that, and that includes the sex appeal of your characters, especially those that are attractive as anime characters wanting to "show off" for the sake of it is part of human nature, and that applies to fiction and guess what, some people just have the fetish for "unnecessary" fanservice and the fact that people have the fetish for it alone makes it necessary. anime characters are hot and showing off their bodies makes them more attractive to people MortalMelancholy said: It has to do with studios seeing ecchi as a sort of fix-all, and thinking that they don't have to try to make an ecchi anime work. And the sad thing is that they're not wrong. This is to the detriment of both the quality and reputation of anime. whether or not something "works" is nothing more than a matter of opinion, and anime focusing on ecchi aren't anymore clich'e than anything else, so why is ecchi always the target? the reputation isn't important.. if people don't like something because it has one thing about it that turns them off then they should just fuck off Chikipichi said: Am I the only one who actually enjoyed High school of the Dead? not even close.. look at how any favorites it has and how many people rated it a 7 or above.. unfortunately its the people who don't like something or having something negative to say about it that are more likely to speak |
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flannan said: vigorousjammer said: I posted this in another thread recently, but my main gripe with it is that it's just shallow content. There's not even a modicum of depth to any of it. It's just pantsu shots, jiggly boobs/butts, and perhaps some dirty dialogue. That stuff is all fine, but when that's the MAIN THING a show is focusing on, I just think "Really? This is all this show has to offer? This is so boring!" Even among shows labelled as "ecchi", few have ecchi as the main thing. Like, Strike Witches might have a pantyshot in every shot, but it's largely CGDCT show and cool aerial battles show. What I was trying to say is that even if it's not THE main thing, as long as it's ONE OF the main focuses, it can be annoying, distracting, and just generally detract from the overall experience. It's not so much the amount of time a show devotes to such a thing... it's more the amount of importance the creators place upon such things. If the panty shots come off as though they were just as important (or more important) to the creators as the main plot or other aspects of a show such as characterization or world building, then I just think something along the lines of "Really? That's where your priorities are at? This is so lame. Quit wasting my time." I've never seen Strike Witches, so I can't definitively say one way or the other... but from your description it seems like it might be that type of show. I like my ecchi/fanservice to be secondary to anything else that a show is trying to accomplish. If it's there as just a little extra thing and not a major focus, then it's fine and completely enjoyable. Any more than that, and it starts to get grating... such as in Highschool of the Dead, where it's a major focus alongside the other elements of the show. Lastly, if it's all that a show really has to offer, then I'll just stop watching, as it's really just not very interesting on it's own. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: MortalMelancholy said: It has to do with studios seeing ecchi as a sort of fix-all, and thinking that they don't have to try to make an ecchi anime work. And the sad thing is that they're not wrong. This is to the detriment of both the quality and reputation of anime. whether or not something "works" is nothing more than a matter of opinion, and anime focusing on ecchi aren't anymore clich'e than anything else, so why is ecchi always the target? the reputation isn't important.. if people don't like something because it has one thing about it that turns them off then they should just fuck off You can tell that selling sugar-water works because soft drinks are found pretty much everywhere. I'd guess that if they keep making the same ecchi anime over and over again, it just might possibly work. And reputation does matter; a lot of the West sees anime as some sort of perverted almost-cartoon-porn because of cheap ecchi, and that alienates a lot of potential audience. Ecchi is to anime as terrorists are to muslims. |
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MortalMelancholy said: You can tell that selling sugar-water works because soft drinks are found pretty much everywhere. I'd guess that if they keep making the same ecchi anime over and over again, it just might possibly work. And reputation does matter; a lot of the West sees anime as some sort of perverted almost-cartoon-porn because of cheap ecchi, and that alienates a lot of potential audience. Ecchi is to anime as terrorists are to muslims. again.. doing something over and over again has nothing to do with the fact that its fanservice, theres plenty of clich'e tropes done over and over again in any number of things and so what? because much of the west can't get passed the dark ages? because the west still thinks perversion is a bad thing? and..? anime is made by japanese people for japanese people, and japan is one of the safest countries in the world, so obviously perverted cartoons are not an issue... why does it matter what western butthurts who are driven by abrahamic sjw bullshit think? get that "potential audience" bullshit outta here "if hip hop didn't have such harsh lyrics, it could attract another potential audience" so hiphop should change just because there are people out there who might like it if it was different? its not wonder it seems like the SJW's are taking over.. because people like you will just bow down to crybabies @CatchyUsername he couldn't handle the savage.. so he changed his name to someone random in order to dodge the bullet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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EcchiKingMamster said: jiroutachi said: Yeah but... If someone doesn't want to fap to a series and see a titty, the fanservice becomes completely disposable (assuming we're talking about something with a serious plot rather than a full blown ecchi series like To Love Ru). I like fanservice, but it's understandable why it's unpleasant to try to watch something for a serious storyline or relaxed atmosphere and having the camera focusing on some girl's crotch while there's a serious conversation going on or something. that just means you're taking the show too seriously just because a show has drama doesn't mean the show is supposed to be serious Hmm I disagree. I did specify that I'm talking about shows that aren't initially labeled as ecchi. For example, Akame ga Kill has a dark plot, but it IS an ecchi series so the fanservice in it is to be expected and doesn't bother me, and High School of the Dead theoretically has a "serious" storyline but no one watched it for that. But it can be unpleasant if it's somewhere meant to be focused entirely on the plot and then suddenly there's an ass on your screen in a serious scene, just like how a sudden joke in the middle of a tragic scene would break its flow. I don't expect you to understand since it seems you're determined to defend the use of fanservice under ANY circunstances but that's how I see it, personally. |
EcchiKingMamster said: @AllanEdgarDoge all of that is nothing but personal problems that the individual needs to get over or just not watch Caciulacdlac said: It does. Because not everyone likes seeing tits in every anime. For obvious reasons. and why do the people who don't want it matter, when theres people who do want it and clearly japan, the country it comes from, wants it? theres plenty of people who hate the type of music thats being played on the radio? well so what? its on the radio because people want it on the radio, just because you don't doesn't mean you get to dictate other peoples tastes if you don't want it, then don't watch, its as simple as that But I don't watch them. I just answered some questions. You said you want to see boobies in every anime. Since not every single anime is ecchi, I'm completely fine. |
EcchiKingMamster said: MortalMelancholy said: It would be great if that was normally the case, but you too, should notice that most ecchi scenes are just uncreative and generic. Without any redeeming attributes, most ecchi anime have a bland and uninspiring cake that they don't eat. whether or not ecchi tropes are overused has nothing to do with the fact that its ecchi it has to do with the fact that its overused ......... buncha shit rly Bruh....... sit down. I've seen you post a lot. All you ever fucking do is shove the fact that you like cartoon tits down people's throats....... Just cos you are in the minority that love ecchi doesn't make you special.... Fanservice moments in anime at the wrong times kill all tension built up to that point.... Unless it's a commentary on how dumb ecchi is(eva) keep ecchi out of anime. Watch hentai man..... all you have to do is type hentai haven in the search bar. Don't even get me started on how the fanservice shots usually aren't even arousing. Most of the shots are just plain. In summary, fanservice is a fucking joke and needs to be eradicated. |
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jiroutachi said: Hmm I disagree. I did specify that I'm talking about shows that aren't initially labeled as ecchi. For example, Akame ga Kill has a dark plot, but it IS an ecchi series so the fanservice in it is to be expected and doesn't bother me, and High School of the Dead theoretically has a "serious" storyline but no one watched it for that. But it can be unpleasant if it's somewhere meant to be focused entirely on the plot and then suddenly there's an ass on your screen in a serious scene, just like how a sudden joke in the middle of a tragic scene would break its flow. I don't expect you to understand since it seems you're determined to defend the use of fanservice under ANY circunstances but that's how I see it, personally. it doesn't matter whether or not an anime isn't labeled ecchi... ecchi is a not a label for anime in japan japan does not refer to anime as ecchi, the west does, japan just throws sexual stuff into anime in varying degrees and the west decides whether or not to call a show ecchi AGK is an ecchi series? WHAT? whotf considers AGK an ecchi series? comedy sure.. but i don't think most ppl consider it ecchi, despite having some fanservice moments please give me an example of an actual "serious" anime thats flow is broken by fanservice and not just a show with some tense moments Caciulacdlac said: But I don't watch them. I just answered some questions. You said you want to see boobies in every anime. Since not every single anime is ecchi, I'm completely fine. there aren't boobs in every anime and there probably won't ever be... at least in the way you're probably thinking, so whats the issue? eogo said: Bruh....... sit down. I've seen you post a lot. All you ever fucking do is shove the fact that you like cartoon tits down people's throats....... Just cos you are in the minority that love ecchi doesn't make you special.... Fanservice moments in anime at the wrong times kill all tension built up to that point.... Unless it's a commentary on how dumb ecchi is(eva) keep ecchi out of anime. Watch hentai man..... all you have to do is type hentai haven in the search bar. Don't even get me started on how the fanservice shots usually aren't even arousing. Most of the shots are just plain. In summary, fanservice is a fucking joke and needs to be eradicated. i just lol'd irl.. i just got up from a nap, and now im mostly awake again, that was a good laugh looks like we've got ourselves a badass over here gr8 b8 m8... |
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EcchiKingMamster said: @AllanEdgarDoge all of that is nothing but personal problems that the individual needs to get over or just not watch Original question: "Why do some people not like fan service or echii stuff in their anime?" Question implies that the questioner is actually curious about "nothing but personal problems", so... yeah, you are right on that one. I mildly disagree with the rest of the sentence. There is no need to be so extreme. "To get over something" and "stop watching" are not the only viable choices. You can actually watch a show, complete it, and heavily dislike an aspect or two of it, don't you think? I, for example, enjoyed Code Geass, but I also think that the fanservice in it was seemingly out of the place. It's subjectively a flaw. Many people share the same impression, many people disagree with it, but it's definitely not something that you can say people have to approve of. However, in general, I don't watch ecchi, just like you are suggesting. People who don't specifically like fanservice think "how the fuck is this even contributing to the show" when they encounter it. This reaction is quite similar to fanservice in mainstream western cinematography where they often create a romantic side story in a otherwise non-romantic script (example: Hobbit and the dwarf-elf relationship). I'm not a fan of either, but the western fanservice at least expands the script in a wannabe-meaningful fashion (resp. it progresses somewhere), while sexual fanservice is a static filler with no progression (talking about shows which are not mainly ecchi)... Either way, it's not like we have to argue about it, I kind of get your point after reading your first post in this thread, and the two of us aren't even talking about the exact same sets of shows.... that being said I don't think there is any ground for saying that there is nothing to dislike about fanservice in modern anime from a critical standpoint. I like to think of anime as a form of art and for me the sexual fanservice has to be executed and timed perfectly to provide any artistic value (example: Bakemonogatari, GTO - manga... and we know that these don't even contain 1/10 of the intensity you might consider enjoyable, so yeah, my experience is pretty lame, god bless). Ecchi moments tend to be hollow if you are looking for something else than entertainment or primal excitement, that's what I'm trying to say. And that is the issue, anime was never considered as a high form of intellectual stimulation, but the boom of cheap fanservice is burying that little it had to offer apart from entertainment and sexual stimulation under a very misleading blanket. However, even though I consider it to be worrisome, it's a natural development, so you are rightfully pointing out that it's hard to give an objective clarification for it being bad. It's easy to resort to ignorance on both sides, but that isn't beneficial to anyone. |
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| @AllanEdgarDoge im not accusing you of anything, im just responding to criticisms that i disagree with, not saying you actually hold them Artharion said: I don't mind fan service but I tend to get annnoyed when a serious fight is full of panty shoots and boobs. 1. its called a fetish 2. that just means the show isn't serious 3. wtf? you have a nier automata avatar and you're saying that when what you just described is a big appeal of the game |
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Artharion said: 1. Too bad not everyone shares the same fetishes 2. Code Geass R2 is a pretty serious show if you ask me 3. It's not the same for video games. Like I said, I don't mind fan service with a few exceptions. It was nice sneaking under 2B's skirt while playing, though at the same time it wasn't a distraction in boss fights and stuff since I was too focused on the gameplay itself. That's not the case in anime where you're basically forced to watch what they throw on the screen. 1. i didn't say everyone did, im saying that its in there because the creators or part of the fanbase have the fetish 2. i don't agree, yes Code Geass has tense moments, but that doesn't make it a serious show 3. it serves the same purpose whether in a video game, or in an anime and the only difference is you have some control over one and not the other. if nier automata gets an anime, are you going to complain about ass shots during fights? |
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urpoutta said: Example from different media with sexual fanservice I like is Bayonetta video game. Now I'm not a gamer, I'm just a dirty casual so what I want from a video game differs. But the fanservice made the game more fun and added some unique personality to the game that I love. It wouldn't be the same game with out it and quite frankly more boring. Making Bayonetta not sexual would remove big part of the character. And the plot was also interesting. Other example I can think of is Heavy metal movie from the 1981. Women characters are sexualized and it has sexual stuff in it. But that's one of it's charms. Removing it would change it quite drastically as it's included in it to make it clear it's mature and for adults to enjoy also it's name is Heavy metal so of course it's gonna include some naked women. One can say they don't like it because women in it are just there for sex appeal and other can say it's appreciating female body. EcchiKingMamster said: yea, i draw ecchi all the time, and i'd rather draw a girl in a skimpy outfit than outright nude, cause im more turned on by teasing than i am by hardcore material, i generally don't find hardcore sexual material that hot I don't think that's so uncommon. Quite many artists like to draw their characters as sexually appealing but rather not do anything explicit content for many reasons. But I salute those people who do because damn it's hard. Seriously how does hips work? I have no fucking clue and I have tried to study that shit for many years now. JonasTheJay said: Ecchi and fan service are the main reason anime has such a bad reputation in the west. It really saddens me that people who don't like ecchi are labeled as "prudes" , "sjw" or whatever on MAL. You make it sound like not liking an anime because of ecchi is not a legit reason. I'd say animanga isn't seen in positive light even in Japan. But I personally don't think any media needs to be praised by majority and critics. Unless they want more money then that's a different story but something being so called "underground" isn't necessarily bad by any means. Well animanga isn't really underground stuff as it's quite known but it's popularity is still small in west. Not trying to make content that is supposed to be big hit can create many interesting things from creators. aiji_hotaru said: Because it's distracting and just ruins the mood and the flow of the story. I don't need it. Then I ask what did you expect from the series? It could just be you wanted something else from the show that it didn't even try to be. Sure you can criticize it all you like and say you would have liked it more if done differently, but maybe it just wasn't for you in the first place. Why are you quoting me? "Then I ask what did you expect from the series?" Expect? I expect an anime that something I can fully enjoy. "It could just be you wanted something else from the show that it didn't even try to be. Sure you can criticize it all you like and say you would have liked it more if done differently, but maybe it just wasn't for you in the first place." There must be a misunderstanding. First off, I don't watch anime with Ecchi tag in it. And I drop anime which I think not really meant for me after watching 2 to 3 episodes without hesitation due to unnecessary fanservice. Like how are we able to know/identify if a show has fanservice or not if not after actually really watching it? We wouldn't know because there's no '<whatever>fanservice' tag yet to help us out. Don't be mistaken. |
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Artharion said: 1. I already know that, but just because the creators and most of the fanbase like something it doesn't mean I'm supposed to like it too. 2. That's debatable. I guess not everyone sees an anime the same way. 3. The fact that I have some control in games changes everything. An anime adaptation of nier automata could be good or could be shit depending on who does it, but one thing I can say is that it would definetely not have the same feel as the video game, this would already give me so many reasons to complain about it that I would not probably even bother with the fan service in the first place. 1. never said you had to, im not trying to change your mind, im just saying that everything in anime is there because it appeals to someone, and im only bringing that up cause too many people say things like "i don't see the point of that" 2. yea and thats part of the problem, many people take some anime more seriously than theyre actually supposed to be, as well as give some anime standards they were never meant to have 3. yea but you can't control a TV, so if they want to show of the sex appeal of a character during a serious moment, then obviously you're gonna be forced to see it welp.. you do you.. like i said.. im just giving my perspective on your answers.. nothing i've said in this thread is with the intention of changing anyone's mind i hope they make an anime so i can fap to her ass _Lightsbane said: ocrybabyo said: Because I'm gay and into beefy guys with thicc thighs. That's also fan service and there is a lot of that, these days. and it has its fanbase, so it should continue to be a thing |
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Artharion said: I understand that you're not trying to change my mind, I just replied back for the sake of the discussion. As for people taking some anime more seriously than they're supposed to be, I would say it's more like "an anime is not as serious as people want it to be." At least that was my case with Code Geass, everyone compares it with death note. I started watching code geass expecting it to be similar. Don't get me wrong, I liked it, but expected much more. Also, like someone else mentioned, the tags don't really say if it has fan service or not, they could be really deceiving. I mean let's look at code geass: Action, Military, Sci-Fi, Super Power, Drama, Mecha. Sounds like a serious show, right? well the west seem to want EVERYTHING to be taken seriously and the problem with that is japan doesn't seem to japan will make a joke about pretty much anything, even the newest godzilla movie was full of comedic moments, even when godzilla was attacking the city also, the tags don't matter because "ecchi" is not a label for anime in japan, japan just puts sexual content into anime in varying degrees, then when it comes to the west, the west decides whether or not theres enough in there to warrant the tag |
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| @EcchiKingMamster I'll get this out of the way. Fanservice is fine, just as long as it keeps away from tense points in the story, or from character driven moments. And here's a response to your "some people like it" argument. If you're so accepting of fanservicey moments in anime, then you have little reason not to just stop watching serious shows and instead look for ones that are purely ecchi. Without conflicting tones, those watching a serious show will be satisfied when can get all the ecchi you need elsewhere. |
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