Bozzzz said: EcchiKingMamster said: @TheBrainintheJar Some ppl act as though the only thing that matters is advancing the story and plot and nothing else, just like some of them accuse us of only caring about being turned on. Well I like the integration of boobs and ass into anime and imo it tells us more about who many of us are better so than porn where that kind of stuff is expected and therefore isn't surprising Doing something because you can is more interesting than doing it because you think it makes sense, so is just not giving a fuck If some boobs and paints shots weren't a reason you rate an anime 10 then I could take you slightly seriously. i rate purely out of enjoyment and those are some of the things i enjoy the most in anime.. so ofc im going to give an anime a 10 if i see them at the end of the day nothing matters more than enjoyment yes i am just that entertained by anime to the point where i can just give out free 10s |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 27, 2017 12:48 PM
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| Probably because some people have already created an image for themselves and cannot lighten up at all. I'm like it's okay to enjoy Bakemonogatari and Sora no Otoshimono. No one will think any less of you. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: urpoutta said: I was more of thinking horror movies that are aimed towards teenagers *cough*slashers*cough* and B-class movies. Then there are those movies that linger on scenes with women getting killed (Snuff 1976), tortured (Guinea Pig; The Devil's experiment 1985) etc. Some even are more like extreme porn. Imo sexuality can also be used to make something shocking and disgusting, or comical. It's natural and normal thing to us, including it with something we would find scary or disgusting would just fuel the shocking factor more. There's also the fact horror movies were more free to add sexual themes, because they have never been favored by academy and critics, and higher rating didn't usually harm them. Including things that were rare or even forbidden in other media was a good way to get more audience and talk about it thanks to controversial content. Nekromantik 1987 is about human sexuality but it's not sexy. Tetsuo the Iron man 1989 has sex scenes but I wouldn't call it sexy. Tokyo Gore Police 2008 also uses sexual themes, but again, I don't think it's sexy. Edit// There's also Elvira's Movie Macabre series with hostess Elvira who is sexual character. It's more comical than those others titles I named. Notice I'm not just talking about sexuality, but sexiness. Lynch, for example, uses sexuality yet his films are not sexy. He uses our sexual impulse to tempt us to find sexiness in something warped, and thus increase the horror. With this distinction, can you clarify your position? Do you mean this kind of sexiness?  If so it doesn't really add any actual horror to it, but it's mostly a power fantasy aka scream queens. But some people take it as a feminist thing too, because especially in slasher subgenre it's a trope that the final girl is "pure" and the sexy/sexual active girl gets killed. Men are often excluded from that and aren't necessarily planned to be sexy. Usually those series/movies that have a sexy male character turn out to be some serial killer to make a dark contrast. If were speaking of actual sex it's a bit more complicated. Those usually are exploitation films and there're so many subgenres it's hard to simplify why they would use or need sex in their plot. Edit// @ppl who are talking about books... You guys realize that erotica books are a thing and are more so a women's thing? There are literary erotica writings about getting fucked by a dinosaur like Taken by the T-Rex and this amazing title name A billionaire dinosaur forced me gay. Now that's some good plot there mmmmmm |
konkeloAug 27, 2017 1:48 PM
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Darek said: Day 57: I still am not sure who makes dumber arguments here, people who like ecchi or who don't. If this fight continues I might lose all the remaining hope in humanity I have left... I must... Endure... It...  I really hope it keeps going honestly Just to see how far it will go |
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Manaban said: Darek said: Day 57: I still am not sure who makes dumber arguments here, people who like ecchi or who don't. If this fight continues I might lose all the remaining hope in humanity I have left... I must... Endure... It... I really hope it keeps going honestly Just to see how far it will go  .................................... |
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| As always, it depends. The problem is that, when it is done on a show that takes itself slightly seriously, it oftens works more to ruin it than anything. Best example of this is the Araragi sisters. How can anyone take them seriously as actual characters if they are nothing but walking tropes for awkward incest? When it is done on a show like Konosuba, however, I don't mind it, because we were never supposed to take the story seriously anyway. The big problem is when it happens like it was on a parallel line of the story, when it has the characters doing things completely out of their personality just for gags, or worse, when the character is good for nothing but getting naked. |
rapo1Aug 27, 2017 6:00 PM
| @Maneki-Mew i have no idea what you're responding to Nocturn3 said: If I want to see boobs and arses I watch hentai. If I want good plot and character development, good setting and in general, a quality anime, I don't want fan service screwing it. For example, Elite Class. It was getting interesting, we finally had a good development regarding MC past, and suddenly BOOOOOOBSSSS episode. Just screwed everything. so because of the "boobs episode" you no longer like anything else the show offered you? really? despite there being boobs from the start? did you really expect an anime full of hs girls with big boobs not to have a fanservice episode? Darek said: Day 57: I still am not sure who makes dumber arguments here, people who like ecchi or who don't. If this fight continues I might lose all the remaining hope in humanity I have left... I must... Endure... It... just fucking stop.. i've noticed the majority of people in here criticizing ecchi are people with less than 150 completions who joined this year or last year.. theres definitely a correlation there since you almost never see 400+ completions people making some of these clearly ignorant statements. it seems to mostly be newer people who are only used to anime that everyone talks about, which generally don't have much fanservice you know how i am, i don't change how i am because it annoys some people just like i don't think anime should either if you don't like the shit some of us are saying, well no one is forcing you to be a part of this thread |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 27, 2017 6:41 PM
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Darek said: @EcchiKingMamster yada yada yada, sure thing there are people saying dumb stuff about ecchi here. Does not mean the stuff you say is much better if you want me to be honest with you. And well just as I know you won't change, youprobably know already that I am rather honest. And no, no one is forcing me to be a part of this thread but its stupidity is entertaining at times and if I can help someone see another perspective. It is always worth trying, if my reply triggers you... You don't have to read them (I too can play this game.) so do you even have a stance? cause i don't even recall seeing it.. can you give us a "not dumb" answer to OP? you're treating people in here like their fighting to change eachothers minds instead of just expressing opinion or approval/disapproval of opinion, which you seem to want me to add to the end of everything i say i can understand you not agreeing.. but whats so "dumb" about my stances on ecchi/fanservice? |
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Darek said: @EcchiKingMamster I already gave my reply a while back and as I said previously, I refuse to argue with you so I am not start again, it's pointless. well im sorry, but im tired of being misconstrued.. so many people seem to think i think im some kind of expert when i just do what everyone else does.. give my view/opinion, idk why im a special case, i shouldn't have to add "this is just what i think" to the end of everything i say |
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Yaoiangel16 said: As much as I love me some fan service, it's all about timing. Like if I were watching a comedy ecchi anime I will almost always expect random panty shots, but if I were watching a serious anime and a random panty shot happened it would kinda throw off the mood just a little. Because I love fan service. im just gonna say what i always say.. the anime probably was never serious to begin with or at least not as serious as you thought death, gore, violence, blood, drama =/= serious anime |
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Maneki-Mew said: @EcchiKingMamster Sorry, don't find the sentence again. ^^" Was about the importance of the story development. just fucking stop.. i've noticed the majority of people in here criticizing ecchi are people with less than 150 completions who joined this year or last year.. theres definitely a correlation there since you almost never see 400+ completions people making some of these clearly ignorant statements. it seems to mostly be newer people who are only used to anime that everyone talks about, which generally don't have much fanservice you know how i am, i don't change how i am because it annoys some people just like i don't think anime should either if you don't like the shit some of us are saying, well no one is forcing you to be a part of this thread Pls explain the correlation to me. I have finished 130 TV, a few OVAs and like 90 movies. There isn't too much Ecchi in my quite long PTW-list either and I even don't understand WHY the number of anime you have finished should change your mind in a positive way towards Ecchi. I have so many things I have missed to watch, so I don't see your point why you believe that people suddenly start to watch more Ecchi when they hit a higher number of anime? its the same thing as back when we had tons of "anime is getting worse" threads, almost all of them were made by recent joiners who had less than 200 completions. cause people who are newer to something tend to only really notice what is most popular at the time and don't know all the random things they missed from the past that no one talks about so it gives off the impression that people who haven't seen as wide a variety of anime from different decades are far more likely to make ignorant statements like "anime didn't used to be like this" as well as be less accustomed to having for example, boobs shoved in their face you don't see people with 500 completions saying shit like "i wasn't expecting this anime to have a fanservice episode".. no. people who have seen a large number of varied types of anime from different eras know that anime can throw anything at you, so even if they don't necessarily like it, theyre far less likely to say something because they've become accustomed to it get what im saying? |
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EcchiKingMamster said: just fucking stop.. i've noticed the majority of people in here criticizing ecchi are people with less than 150 completions who joined this year or last year.. theres definitely a correlation there since you almost never see 400+ completions people making some of these clearly ignorant statements. it seems to mostly be newer people who are only used to anime that everyone talks about, which generally don't have much fanservice you know how i am, i don't change how i am because it annoys some people just like i don't think anime should either if you don't like the shit some of us are saying, well no one is forcing you to be a part of this thread Maybe at this point most of their brain is already melted? :D |
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Maneki-Mew said: Yes, I get your point, but still have to disagree. It would be like a mass product to me, if I watched at the same time far more anime than I'm currently watching. And I have never watched so many anime in one year. I still think that I have seen enough different genres since the late 90s to have a good overview, even if there a few classics and (from my point) other "must-watch" are missing yet, but yes, I have seen enough outside of the "mainstream". And it's not like that you get used to something, because you have read enough. I don't know why, but I have read too much bad Yaoi manga in my dumb teenage years and nope, it's not like you can start to ignore all the things bothering you so much years later all of the sudden. The opposite is the case: you are more careful with the next anime and manga you choose in similar cases... it's going to end again like this season and you step in the next disappointment. I didn't made any high expectations, so I dunno... When people say: "I wasn't expecting this anime to have a fanservice episode", it's imo more like: "I don't want it to be there, because that was inappropriate in this anime, scene and mood." You are not going to give up your ideas of how things should be realized to please your taste. They improve and you start to get to know your own taste better and you still don't want it to be there. i already stated in my last post that it doesn't necessarily change your view point... it just changes the likelihood of you whining about it, which again, is why you almost never seen people above a certain number of completions making certain statements because im me, im gonna go there.. take a statement such as "anime of the past didn't have this much fanservice".. who is more likely to say that? someone who's actually watched a wide variety of anime from the past or someone whos only seen the big names that every talks about? which is how alot of people with low completions are one of the problems is that many anime watchers only like to watch more well known anime or anime that everyone says is good |
EcchiGodMamsterAug 27, 2017 8:37 PM
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Maneki-Mew said: Yes... they just gave up? ;) I haven't read the "anime of the past didn't have this much fanservice" for a while. I also still think that you don't get the reason of people, who don't like it. It's not like most of them scream: oh no, skin, bring me the holy water! ... or that you drop on everything with fanservice low scores. I scored for example Grimgar with 9, because I could ignore the cringe... the interesting character interactions were stronger than a little bit cringe. Tho there is still a fine line, where it can destroy everything. omfg lol people who have seen a wide variety of anime from all decades know such statements are bullshit.. they know anime of today isn't vastly different from the past, they know (especially school) anime tend to have fanservice episodes, they know anime with girls with big boobs occasionally shove them in your face, so theyre less likely to say something like "i wasn't expecting this" whether or not they still like it isn't relevant its just more so that they've gotten used to it and are less likely to say something cause they more less already know its bound to happen this doesn't apply to newer people, especially the ones who have only seen the big name anime what about this are you not understanding? did you see the video of the blonde woman complaining about a hip hop song she heard on the radio, and she read the lyrics in a youtube video, crying about how the lyrics were violent, sexual and there were bad words you're gonna tell me someone whos been listening to hip hop for a long time and a wide variety of artists is going to hear a song like that and react the same way? whotf doesn't expect that from hip hop? oh wait.. people who either dont listen to it or haven't heard very many songs |
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| Some people just don't understand the important of a little skin to be shown in anime, it can really push the plot forward. An important example of the increase of plot that a little skin can add is attached to this post. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: omfg lol people who have seen a wide variety of anime from all decades know such statements are bullshit.. they know anime of today isn't vastly different from the past, they know (especially school) anime tend to have fanservice episodes, they know anime with girls with big boobs occasionally shove them in your face, so theyre less likely to say something like "i wasn't expecting this" This is a giant pile of lie. I'm going through the 70's these days (before the birth of OVAs and hentai) and I'm struggling to find a boob grab. Man, I have less time watched than you (since it seems to be your new genius argument), but I can already see you're spreading misinformation to defend your stance. And don't post me that Panda Kopanda gif of a non-sexualized 6yo girl walking on her hands while wearing a skirt please. |
DeathkoAug 28, 2017 2:52 AM
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Nocturn3 said: Dude, we already had this argument on the last ep thread. You like ecchi/fan service on every anime, I don't. Also, wasting an entire ep on a 12 ep anime for fan service is nuts. They already cut some parts and worst, changed others. So yes, for me it ruined the anime, and I won't give it more than a 7 (should be a 6.5 or something). if you don't want SOMEONE to tell you they disagree with you, then don't have an opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ well guess what.. im one of those fucks... Clebardman said: This is a giant pile of lie. I'm going through the 70's these days (before the OVA and birth of hentai) and I'm struggling to find a boob grab. Man, I have less time watched than you (since it seems to be your new genius argument), but I can already see you're spreading misinformation to defend your stance. And don't post me that Panda Kopanda gif of a uno-sexualized 6yo girl walking on her hands while wearing a skirt please. i don't remember saying "watch anime from the 70s and you'll see everything in modern anime"... nice bait though i know your'e disappointed, cause you're eager to fap ;) |
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EcchiKingMamster said: well im sorry, but im tired of being misconstrued.. so many people seem to think i think im some kind of expert when i just do what everyone else does.. give my view/opinion, idk why im a special case, i shouldn't have to add "this is just what i think" to the end of everything i say Maybe you're misconstrued because you don't know how to fucking communicate without being an obnoxious child who insults others on purpose? what about this are you not understanding? "waaaah I dunno why people are mean I'm just stating my opinion they're all haters waaaaa" Also, you clearly said something amongst the lines of "Anime never changes, boobs = anime". Well, sorry to point out how much of a lie it is. |
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Clebardman said: EcchiKingMamster said: well im sorry, but im tired of being misconstrued.. so many people seem to think i think im some kind of expert when i just do what everyone else does.. give my view/opinion, idk why im a special case, i shouldn't have to add "this is just what i think" to the end of everything i say Maybe you're misconstrued because you don't know how to fucking communicate without being an obnoxious child who insults others on purpose? what about this are you not understanding? "waaaah I dunno why people are mean I'm just stating my opinion they're all haters waaaaa" Also, you clearly said something amongst the lines of "Anime never changes, boobs = anime". Well, sorry to point out how much of a lie it is. i said its not vastly different, at least in this thread... but i only watch from the 80s and onward when i watch 80s anime (some of which i saw as a kid, but mostly now) i dont think "why anime has really changed nowadays"... no... not at all yes, anime does focus more now on certain things, but as far as tropes, settings, setups or w/e, its easy to see where they all came from also, minus pantyshots, im pretty sure most ecchi tropes are from the 80s |
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| @Nocturn3 yes, and my opinion is that i disagree with your opinion.. which is the whole point of why im here this is anime DISCUSSION.. if everyone just had a circlejerk about why they don't like ecchi/fanservice that would defeat the discussion purpose. so we need the triggered ecchi/fanservice fan to tell everyone why he doesn't agree with them |
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Nocturn3 said: EcchiKingMamster said: @Nocturn3 yes, and my opinion is that i disagree with your opinion.. which is the whole point of why im here this is anime DISCUSSION.. if everyone just had a circlejerk about why they don't like ecchi/fanservice that would defeat the discussion purpose. so we need the triggered ecchi/fanservice fan to tell everyone why he doesn't agree with them Yeah sure, but to be honest, your mean score is 9.97, and that say's all. yes because I like anime that much, it never bores me and I don't take breaks from watching In other words as long as there's a new episode of a show I'm watching, then I'm watching it that day |
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Nocturn3 said: EcchiKingMamster said: yes because I like anime that much, it never bores me and I don't take breaks from watching In other words as long as there's a new episode of a show I'm watching, then I'm watching it that day During summer I watch every ep on the day it's available and my mean socre is 6.2 or something like that. The difference is that I have criteria, you just give high scores because you like it. That's the difference. You like anime, I like Quality anime. "Quality anime" Not subjective af or anything No, you're just desperate to look smart and I'm not :D youre critical and I'm not, I have criteria too |
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Nocturn3 said: EcchiKingMamster said: "Quality anime" Not subjective af or anything you're just desperate to look smart and I'm not :D No, you're critical and I'm not, I have criteria too Criteria ahaha nice joke. Boobs and arses, what a criteria. Your mean score is a joke. And no, it isn't subjective, you know why?! Because most of your 10's have a 6 score. And when that happens, anyone can see your ratings are pure shit. I mean, you sort of have a criteria, just a really bad one. ;D You just reinforced what I said about you trying to look smart, since you mentioned that my 10s are mostly 6s on MAL proving that you are desperate to please the masses and can't make your own decisions :3 :D :D your completion number is joke :D ;D Hot girls, boobs and ass = best criteria... Fite mii boi |
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