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Jul 30, 2017 2:06 AM
#151
Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Using color was meant to portray the knowledge you again without 'reading' particular book or whatever. It piles up from your everyday interaction, everyday knowledge, society, environment and many factors. It's small when we look at them one by one, but unnoticedly, that many "small" parts form into a certain type of perception without we consciously knowing it.Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Tao te Ching and Art of war are being "vague" as fuck. Fuck them Chinese for putting them up as classic. And also fuck Buddha for always answering his follower with "vague" metaphor.existentialist said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? existentialist said: Honestly you need to go into it pretending to be an art critic. You have to watch a show with the intent of not enjoying it, but rather, having your mind focus on the structure and systematically judging every motion of the anime in terms of style, originality, and other aesthetic judging mechanism. In doing so you can derive pleasure out of it in a different way than people usually enjoy anime. It's a more involved process, and personally it takes away from the point of anime which is to relax and get away from reality for a bit. But some people enjoy it. A critic who does not find enjoyment in the arts is a bad critic. A critic should do their work out of love for the medium. I could write so much about anime, literature and music because I'm in love with this. Woah, so are you telling me that the critic is an objectively bad critic? I though everything in the world is subjective? Not very consistent are we. I'm not saying they find every piece of art unenjoyable, or that they starve themselves of enjoyment just because. Through looking at art with a critical eye you can find enjoyment in it, but enjoyment isn't the point if you want to want to understand intellectual (in this case) anime. OP might not have the palate for enjoying anime in this manner; I myself don't either most of the time. I'm not a fan of the term 'enjoyment', but I doubt any serious critic does his work without enjoying constantly experiencing different modes of his art, finding patterns and differences and constantly redefining what is good. A critic who does not love the art he critiques is a bad one, because then there is no will to be a good critic, to explore the art more deeply. ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? You seem to be confusing the base idea of doing research and a common reason why people tell other fellas to do so when it comes to anime. At no point did I claim that I was hot stuff and whatever, I was simply pointing out that this apparent lack of prior knowledge can be easily exploited and used as a cheap way for folks to vehemently defend their favorite shows without making any sense. I don't need to cite sources just to say that this phenomenon is silly as heck. Anywho, I'm not drunk enough to make my satirical post carry over into a serious debate so that's it from my end. I agree with you, actually. I merely added that the phrase isn't dead on its own. If you can help me do my research, cool! If it's all 'just google' or 'do some research', then what it means is 'I have nothing to say and ran out of arguments'. Ah, whoops, got put off by the second person singular there lmao. My bad. Well yeah, it's easy to spot the desperate fellas since they are always deliberately vague. Always remember this: If someone had a refutation of your argument, or anything interesting to say they would've said it. If someone had knowledge, they would display it. The desperately vague are vague because they got nothing else to show. Joke aside. Just because you do not get what the other party is saying does not mean he's being vague. And just because a college student does not want to explain the quantum theory to a middle schooler does not mean he doesnt have the knowledge. It can also related to ability to articulate oneself rather than whether he or she has the knowledge or not. Some people just doesn't know how to explain themselves. When encounter user like this, rather trying to please our own ego "got nothing more to say? you opinion is invalid" type of attitude, to achieve a fruitful discussion, it's better to try reaching his reasoning, his understanding, or his logic. Don't take the norm "you have the burden of explaining yourself clearly first" for granted, Just because a some people can't explain themselves well, it does not mean it there a rule to stop us from using to understand his or her understanding. While the type that can't articulate oneself exist, the type that keep asking without thinking, a type that just want "all" explanation throwing at their face also exist. That said, i don't deny the existence of a type of people that tend to use vague replies out of insecurity. A college student can, however, direct a middle schooler to information about quantum theory. According to your accusation of "he didn't want to explain thus he does not have the knowledge". 1. We're talking about whether or not the person in question has the knowledge, not whether he can or he can't direct a middle schooler. 2. He has no obligation to direct the middle schooler. There's a question of whether the middle schooler will understand or not, how much time will it take, what he gains from doing it and probably some other factor that can take into consideration. So, again, just because he does not do it does not mean he doesn't have the knowledge. Someone who has nothing to say or is resorting to generics "You may be wrong", "don't be stubborn" and "go use Google" already shut down the discussion. There is nothing you can say to these. It's not that they can't explain themselves well, but that they refuse to try to explain or direct you to sources. 1. I'm merely giving you a possible scenario of why someone being vague, --which you seem to be on a mindset that limit them to only 'does not have the knowledge'. I'm not claiming people who say those thing are always the people who can't articulate themselves2. This is not a 'vague' reply, being vague means unable to say clearly. What you presented is evading from explain oneself. 3. Even this 'evading' can still classify in not having an ability to articulate well. It can be he does not know where to start explaining his understanding, he thinks his understand is common sense (which it is not) --like how we understand the color violet is violet, if you ask me what violet is like, my best answer is probably "google it", google can show what violet is like better than I do because I genuinely does not know about to explain violet color. Again, does not explain, does not equal to does not have the knowledge. Let's not compare knowledge to direct impressions like colors and sounds. I might go all Hume here and say that unless you have the sense of sight or of hearing, 'colors' and 'sounds' don't exist for you. It's not a good comparison. I believe asking to give direct "source" for that kind of understanding is impossible, some people can break down and explain themselves, while majority(as I assume) do not. But what really important here, back to our argument, is just because a person can't give you source to that "perception" or "understanding" of him, does not mean he does not possess that "perception" or "understanding". Moving on, you keep missing that I said that if a person knows something, he can either explain it or direct me to resources. Otherwise, I have no reason to think the person knows. I mean, you don't trust a doctor unless he shows you some evidence of his knowledge. "Either he tells me or he does not know anything" This is where the argument start, a disjunction fallacy. I'm already brought up a few possible scenario, from can't articulate oneself to not having obligation, but you ignore it and, again, limit own your mindset to only thinking the person in question "does not have the knowledge". 1. Doctor is a weak analogy, Doctor has an obligation to do so, while forum posters do not. 2. Whether the doctor give evidence or not, the result does not only limit to "this doctor doesn't have the knowledge" I don't expect people to explain everything, especially big theories. But if you can direct me to sources, to where you got your data/ideas from, then already I have a way to keep moving. If it's just 'Google it', it means nothing. 1st. To stay on original starting argument, Even if it mean nothing it does not limit to "he does not have the knowledge". 2nd. Tbh, if someone was talking about quantum theory and I don't know what it is, I don't really need the person in question to link me to quantum theory when I think I can google it myself that much. If some one was talking about the function of subconsciousness and I have no idea how it work, I can also google it myself. I'm the one who get benefit from knowledge after all. Of course if you think 'winning' in forum post can satisfy you more then that's different case. There one thing that I think you keep holding in yourself while typing the reply. I think you assume that I deny the existence of person who hide his lack of knowledge behind the arguments like "just look it up" or "google it". I did not. I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence until an alternative comes along. I should address since, since most of your post is quite vague and kind of strays from the core of the discussion: "I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'." My mindset is that unless you show me you know, I have no reason to think you know. If you tell me 'just Google it'. I assume you don't know - else you'd explain or direct to sources. I don't go around, assuming people are quantum theorists unless they tell me otherwise. Occam's razor and all that. |
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Jul 30, 2017 6:58 AM
#152
TheBrainintheJar said: "I don't go around, assuming people are quantum theorists unless they tell me otherwise" Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Tao te Ching and Art of war are being "vague" as fuck. Fuck them Chinese for putting them up as classic. And also fuck Buddha for always answering his follower with "vague" metaphor.existentialist said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? existentialist said: Honestly you need to go into it pretending to be an art critic. You have to watch a show with the intent of not enjoying it, but rather, having your mind focus on the structure and systematically judging every motion of the anime in terms of style, originality, and other aesthetic judging mechanism. In doing so you can derive pleasure out of it in a different way than people usually enjoy anime. It's a more involved process, and personally it takes away from the point of anime which is to relax and get away from reality for a bit. But some people enjoy it. A critic who does not find enjoyment in the arts is a bad critic. A critic should do their work out of love for the medium. I could write so much about anime, literature and music because I'm in love with this. Woah, so are you telling me that the critic is an objectively bad critic? I though everything in the world is subjective? Not very consistent are we. I'm not saying they find every piece of art unenjoyable, or that they starve themselves of enjoyment just because. Through looking at art with a critical eye you can find enjoyment in it, but enjoyment isn't the point if you want to want to understand intellectual (in this case) anime. OP might not have the palate for enjoying anime in this manner; I myself don't either most of the time. I'm not a fan of the term 'enjoyment', but I doubt any serious critic does his work without enjoying constantly experiencing different modes of his art, finding patterns and differences and constantly redefining what is good. A critic who does not love the art he critiques is a bad one, because then there is no will to be a good critic, to explore the art more deeply. ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? You seem to be confusing the base idea of doing research and a common reason why people tell other fellas to do so when it comes to anime. At no point did I claim that I was hot stuff and whatever, I was simply pointing out that this apparent lack of prior knowledge can be easily exploited and used as a cheap way for folks to vehemently defend their favorite shows without making any sense. I don't need to cite sources just to say that this phenomenon is silly as heck. Anywho, I'm not drunk enough to make my satirical post carry over into a serious debate so that's it from my end. I agree with you, actually. I merely added that the phrase isn't dead on its own. If you can help me do my research, cool! If it's all 'just google' or 'do some research', then what it means is 'I have nothing to say and ran out of arguments'. Ah, whoops, got put off by the second person singular there lmao. My bad. Well yeah, it's easy to spot the desperate fellas since they are always deliberately vague. Always remember this: If someone had a refutation of your argument, or anything interesting to say they would've said it. If someone had knowledge, they would display it. The desperately vague are vague because they got nothing else to show. Joke aside. Just because you do not get what the other party is saying does not mean he's being vague. And just because a college student does not want to explain the quantum theory to a middle schooler does not mean he doesnt have the knowledge. It can also related to ability to articulate oneself rather than whether he or she has the knowledge or not. Some people just doesn't know how to explain themselves. When encounter user like this, rather trying to please our own ego "got nothing more to say? you opinion is invalid" type of attitude, to achieve a fruitful discussion, it's better to try reaching his reasoning, his understanding, or his logic. Don't take the norm "you have the burden of explaining yourself clearly first" for granted, Just because a some people can't explain themselves well, it does not mean it there a rule to stop us from using to understand his or her understanding. While the type that can't articulate oneself exist, the type that keep asking without thinking, a type that just want "all" explanation throwing at their face also exist. That said, i don't deny the existence of a type of people that tend to use vague replies out of insecurity. A college student can, however, direct a middle schooler to information about quantum theory. According to your accusation of "he didn't want to explain thus he does not have the knowledge". 1. We're talking about whether or not the person in question has the knowledge, not whether he can or he can't direct a middle schooler. 2. He has no obligation to direct the middle schooler. There's a question of whether the middle schooler will understand or not, how much time will it take, what he gains from doing it and probably some other factor that can take into consideration. So, again, just because he does not do it does not mean he doesn't have the knowledge. Someone who has nothing to say or is resorting to generics "You may be wrong", "don't be stubborn" and "go use Google" already shut down the discussion. There is nothing you can say to these. It's not that they can't explain themselves well, but that they refuse to try to explain or direct you to sources. 1. I'm merely giving you a possible scenario of why someone being vague, --which you seem to be on a mindset that limit them to only 'does not have the knowledge'. I'm not claiming people who say those thing are always the people who can't articulate themselves2. This is not a 'vague' reply, being vague means unable to say clearly. What you presented is evading from explain oneself. 3. Even this 'evading' can still classify in not having an ability to articulate well. It can be he does not know where to start explaining his understanding, he thinks his understand is common sense (which it is not) --like how we understand the color violet is violet, if you ask me what violet is like, my best answer is probably "google it", google can show what violet is like better than I do because I genuinely does not know about to explain violet color. Again, does not explain, does not equal to does not have the knowledge. Let's not compare knowledge to direct impressions like colors and sounds. I might go all Hume here and say that unless you have the sense of sight or of hearing, 'colors' and 'sounds' don't exist for you. It's not a good comparison. I believe asking to give direct "source" for that kind of understanding is impossible, some people can break down and explain themselves, while majority(as I assume) do not. But what really important here, back to our argument, is just because a person can't give you source to that "perception" or "understanding" of him, does not mean he does not possess that "perception" or "understanding". Moving on, you keep missing that I said that if a person knows something, he can either explain it or direct me to resources. Otherwise, I have no reason to think the person knows. I mean, you don't trust a doctor unless he shows you some evidence of his knowledge. "Either he tells me or he does not know anything" This is where the argument start, a disjunction fallacy. I'm already brought up a few possible scenario, from can't articulate oneself to not having obligation, but you ignore it and, again, limit own your mindset to only thinking the person in question "does not have the knowledge". 1. Doctor is a weak analogy, Doctor has an obligation to do so, while forum posters do not. 2. Whether the doctor give evidence or not, the result does not only limit to "this doctor doesn't have the knowledge" I don't expect people to explain everything, especially big theories. But if you can direct me to sources, to where you got your data/ideas from, then already I have a way to keep moving. If it's just 'Google it', it means nothing. 1st. To stay on original starting argument, Even if it mean nothing it does not limit to "he does not have the knowledge". 2nd. Tbh, if someone was talking about quantum theory and I don't know what it is, I don't really need the person in question to link me to quantum theory when I think I can google it myself that much. If some one was talking about the function of subconsciousness and I have no idea how it work, I can also google it myself. I'm the one who get benefit from knowledge after all. Of course if you think 'winning' in forum post can satisfy you more then that's different case. There one thing that I think you keep holding in yourself while typing the reply. I think you assume that I deny the existence of person who hide his lack of knowledge behind the arguments like "just look it up" or "google it". I did not. I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence until an alternative comes along. I should address since, since most of your post is quite vague and kind of strays from the core of the discussion: "I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'." My mindset is that unless you show me you know, I have no reason to think you know. If you tell me 'just Google it'. I assume you don't know - else you'd explain or direct to sources. I don't go around, assuming people are quantum theorists unless they tell me otherwise. Occam's razor and all that. Except in our scenario, they already told you otherwise but you just do not understand it. And later, tells you to look up. Using "go around, assuming everyone" is a bit desperate of you here. But that make me think, maybe we hold a different scenario in our mind when talking on this, so let's compare and match our scenario first before we waste all the time writing and finally the result turn out to be "it's all just a misunderstanding". Here is a scenario I have in mind. Person A and B is participate in topic Z B is using X concept to write his argument that is used to support his idea about topic Z. A doesn't know or understand what X concept is. B he tells A to look up A concludes that B has no knowledge about X. Here is a scenario I think you have in mind. A and B is participate in topic Z B merely mentions X concept to strengthen his argument that is used to support his idea about topic Z A doesn't know or understand what X concept is. B tells A to look up A concludes B does not know about X. So, yeah, let's confirm our scenario first before anything else. |
Jul 30, 2017 11:47 AM
#153
JFuji said: What? Fate/Zero isn't deep at all. It's just better than the high school drama known as Fate/Stay. Not that I disagree with Fate/Stay being a crappy high school drama but it's pretty amusing to see someone with Clannad in their favorites complaining about a show white citing the reason as it being a "high school drama", especially since that particular Key series is one of the biggest offender in that category. |
Jul 31, 2017 6:12 AM
#154
Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: "I don't go around, assuming people are quantum theorists unless they tell me otherwise" Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Using color was meant to portray the knowledge you again without 'reading' particular book or whatever. It piles up from your everyday interaction, everyday knowledge, society, environment and many factors. It's small when we look at them one by one, but unnoticedly, that many "small" parts form into a certain type of perception without we consciously knowing it.Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Cactii said: TheBrainintheJar said: Tao te Ching and Art of war are being "vague" as fuck. Fuck them Chinese for putting them up as classic. And also fuck Buddha for always answering his follower with "vague" metaphor.existentialist said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? existentialist said: Honestly you need to go into it pretending to be an art critic. You have to watch a show with the intent of not enjoying it, but rather, having your mind focus on the structure and systematically judging every motion of the anime in terms of style, originality, and other aesthetic judging mechanism. In doing so you can derive pleasure out of it in a different way than people usually enjoy anime. It's a more involved process, and personally it takes away from the point of anime which is to relax and get away from reality for a bit. But some people enjoy it. A critic who does not find enjoyment in the arts is a bad critic. A critic should do their work out of love for the medium. I could write so much about anime, literature and music because I'm in love with this. Woah, so are you telling me that the critic is an objectively bad critic? I though everything in the world is subjective? Not very consistent are we. I'm not saying they find every piece of art unenjoyable, or that they starve themselves of enjoyment just because. Through looking at art with a critical eye you can find enjoyment in it, but enjoyment isn't the point if you want to want to understand intellectual (in this case) anime. OP might not have the palate for enjoying anime in this manner; I myself don't either most of the time. I'm not a fan of the term 'enjoyment', but I doubt any serious critic does his work without enjoying constantly experiencing different modes of his art, finding patterns and differences and constantly redefining what is good. A critic who does not love the art he critiques is a bad one, because then there is no will to be a good critic, to explore the art more deeply. ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: TheBrainintheJar said: ChipFuu said: Telling others to "do more research" and be more of an "intellectual" is usually the last resort of diehard fans trying to justify poor presentation, when it comes to anime anywho. You can't appreciate my favorite anime unless you wear a toga and have been buried in Greece for thousands of years, who do you think you are, scum? Real OGs watch it with Latin or ancient Greek subtitles as well, not with English subs like some lowly peasant would. If someone is going to tell me to do more research - which may make sense, some ideas are quite complex - I expect to be directed to sources. If you know so much about your shit, what are your sources? You seem to be confusing the base idea of doing research and a common reason why people tell other fellas to do so when it comes to anime. At no point did I claim that I was hot stuff and whatever, I was simply pointing out that this apparent lack of prior knowledge can be easily exploited and used as a cheap way for folks to vehemently defend their favorite shows without making any sense. I don't need to cite sources just to say that this phenomenon is silly as heck. Anywho, I'm not drunk enough to make my satirical post carry over into a serious debate so that's it from my end. I agree with you, actually. I merely added that the phrase isn't dead on its own. If you can help me do my research, cool! If it's all 'just google' or 'do some research', then what it means is 'I have nothing to say and ran out of arguments'. Ah, whoops, got put off by the second person singular there lmao. My bad. Well yeah, it's easy to spot the desperate fellas since they are always deliberately vague. Always remember this: If someone had a refutation of your argument, or anything interesting to say they would've said it. If someone had knowledge, they would display it. The desperately vague are vague because they got nothing else to show. Joke aside. Just because you do not get what the other party is saying does not mean he's being vague. And just because a college student does not want to explain the quantum theory to a middle schooler does not mean he doesnt have the knowledge. It can also related to ability to articulate oneself rather than whether he or she has the knowledge or not. Some people just doesn't know how to explain themselves. When encounter user like this, rather trying to please our own ego "got nothing more to say? you opinion is invalid" type of attitude, to achieve a fruitful discussion, it's better to try reaching his reasoning, his understanding, or his logic. Don't take the norm "you have the burden of explaining yourself clearly first" for granted, Just because a some people can't explain themselves well, it does not mean it there a rule to stop us from using to understand his or her understanding. While the type that can't articulate oneself exist, the type that keep asking without thinking, a type that just want "all" explanation throwing at their face also exist. That said, i don't deny the existence of a type of people that tend to use vague replies out of insecurity. A college student can, however, direct a middle schooler to information about quantum theory. According to your accusation of "he didn't want to explain thus he does not have the knowledge". 1. We're talking about whether or not the person in question has the knowledge, not whether he can or he can't direct a middle schooler. 2. He has no obligation to direct the middle schooler. There's a question of whether the middle schooler will understand or not, how much time will it take, what he gains from doing it and probably some other factor that can take into consideration. So, again, just because he does not do it does not mean he doesn't have the knowledge. Someone who has nothing to say or is resorting to generics "You may be wrong", "don't be stubborn" and "go use Google" already shut down the discussion. There is nothing you can say to these. It's not that they can't explain themselves well, but that they refuse to try to explain or direct you to sources. 1. I'm merely giving you a possible scenario of why someone being vague, --which you seem to be on a mindset that limit them to only 'does not have the knowledge'. I'm not claiming people who say those thing are always the people who can't articulate themselves2. This is not a 'vague' reply, being vague means unable to say clearly. What you presented is evading from explain oneself. 3. Even this 'evading' can still classify in not having an ability to articulate well. It can be he does not know where to start explaining his understanding, he thinks his understand is common sense (which it is not) --like how we understand the color violet is violet, if you ask me what violet is like, my best answer is probably "google it", google can show what violet is like better than I do because I genuinely does not know about to explain violet color. Again, does not explain, does not equal to does not have the knowledge. Let's not compare knowledge to direct impressions like colors and sounds. I might go all Hume here and say that unless you have the sense of sight or of hearing, 'colors' and 'sounds' don't exist for you. It's not a good comparison. I believe asking to give direct "source" for that kind of understanding is impossible, some people can break down and explain themselves, while majority(as I assume) do not. But what really important here, back to our argument, is just because a person can't give you source to that "perception" or "understanding" of him, does not mean he does not possess that "perception" or "understanding". Moving on, you keep missing that I said that if a person knows something, he can either explain it or direct me to resources. Otherwise, I have no reason to think the person knows. I mean, you don't trust a doctor unless he shows you some evidence of his knowledge. "Either he tells me or he does not know anything" This is where the argument start, a disjunction fallacy. I'm already brought up a few possible scenario, from can't articulate oneself to not having obligation, but you ignore it and, again, limit own your mindset to only thinking the person in question "does not have the knowledge". 1. Doctor is a weak analogy, Doctor has an obligation to do so, while forum posters do not. 2. Whether the doctor give evidence or not, the result does not only limit to "this doctor doesn't have the knowledge" I don't expect people to explain everything, especially big theories. But if you can direct me to sources, to where you got your data/ideas from, then already I have a way to keep moving. If it's just 'Google it', it means nothing. 1st. To stay on original starting argument, Even if it mean nothing it does not limit to "he does not have the knowledge". 2nd. Tbh, if someone was talking about quantum theory and I don't know what it is, I don't really need the person in question to link me to quantum theory when I think I can google it myself that much. If some one was talking about the function of subconsciousness and I have no idea how it work, I can also google it myself. I'm the one who get benefit from knowledge after all. Of course if you think 'winning' in forum post can satisfy you more then that's different case. There one thing that I think you keep holding in yourself while typing the reply. I think you assume that I deny the existence of person who hide his lack of knowledge behind the arguments like "just look it up" or "google it". I did not. I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence until an alternative comes along. I should address since, since most of your post is quite vague and kind of strays from the core of the discussion: "I only argue about your mindset that seems to limit the result to 'the person in question does not have the knowledge'." My mindset is that unless you show me you know, I have no reason to think you know. If you tell me 'just Google it'. I assume you don't know - else you'd explain or direct to sources. I don't go around, assuming people are quantum theorists unless they tell me otherwise. Occam's razor and all that. Except in our scenario, they already told you otherwise but you just do not understand it. And later, tells you to look up. Using "go around, assuming everyone" is a bit desperate of you here. But that make me think, maybe we hold a different scenario in our mind when talking on this, so let's compare and match our scenario first before we waste all the time writing and finally the result turn out to be "it's all just a misunderstanding". Here is a scenario I have in mind. Person A and B is participate in topic Z B is using X concept to write his argument that is used to support his idea about topic Z. A doesn't know or understand what X concept is. B he tells A to look up A concludes that B has no knowledge about X. Here is a scenario I think you have in mind. A and B is participate in topic Z B merely mentions X concept to strengthen his argument that is used to support his idea about topic Z A doesn't know or understand what X concept is. B tells A to look up A concludes B does not know about X. So, yeah, let's confirm our scenario first before anything else. I don't understand the difference in the scenarios. My argument is that unless I see you showing your knowledge, or directing to sources of knowledge, I cannot conclude you have the knowledge. A professional certificate (doctor, professor) can be considered a source although I'd prefer something more concrete. Telling me to look up is avoidance, since I do not know where to look it up. Concepts can have multiple meanings and be a part of huge, bumbling discussions. |
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Jul 31, 2017 5:07 PM
#155
You don't need to study! You need to be smart on your own to follow the connection that happen in the anime. |
Aug 1, 2017 1:33 AM
#156
azertyY said: You don't need to study! You need to be smart on your own to follow the connection that happen in the anime. You do need to study because you need knowledge and ways of thought to make those connections and make something out of it. In philoosphy you study how to think, not what to think. |
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