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Jul 15, 8:21 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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So a homunculus awakens this episode. Nice. Introducing more characters into this series. I like how Astolfo found the guy and is like "sure, I'll help you".

Interesting to see a little bit of action this episode and even Rider of Black Karna showing up! We got Karna confronting Siegfried as well. I also like how the episode focused more on Siegfried. Frankenstein is still amusing to watch in this show lol

 
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The episode was nice, more details about the characters. The animation quality stills good, lets hope they continue in that way.
 
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Wow, that's probably the most I've ever seen Karna speak.

And the monologuing during the fight was a nice touch/shuffle. Ufo should take some notes

Frankenmoe is ridiculously cute.
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Karna vs Siegfried fight was animated well, but it was way too short. Kinda disappointing.
That homunculi is here, welp.
 
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Eru said:
Karna vs Siegfried fight was animated well, but it was way too short. Kinda disappointing.
That homunculi is here, welp.


Well in this kind of production it's either quality or length. There is only so many cuts you can let one of your star animator handle before he has to move on to the next one. So in that regard I prefer consistent quality in a short fight over a drop in quality in a stale but authentic long one. Not that I don't feel you on that one but it just can't be helped.
 
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Scrubbing through this episode, and sighing as it seems Jack doesn't appear at all in this episode. So we got nothing for Episode 1, 3 seconds in Episode 2, and Nothing in Episode 3.

What a bummer.

More boring homunculous stuff, something about the trap dude standing over a one of them, some stuff with Jeane fighting Sigefried and a scene with Mordred talking with Blitz Talker. Exciting.
 
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So Ruler's name is pronounced John Dark? And I'm very surprised to see Siegfried and Karna naming themselves in front of each other, fuck the one who changed the script and says that's okay with the rules of the war.

And,

Mordred's outburst and sudden meek attitude is the best scene in this episode.

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Scrubbing through this episode, and sighing as it seems Jack doesn't appear at all in this episode. So we got nothing for Episode 1, 3 seconds in Episode 2, and Nothing in Episode 3.

What a bummer.
Yeah, this.

They inserted Siegfried death flag scene earlier than expected, they should have just used the frames for Jack, XD.
 
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Fappa said:
Eru said:
Karna vs Siegfried fight was animated well, but it was way too short. Kinda disappointing.
That homunculi is here, welp.


Well in this kind of production it's either quality or length. There is only so many cuts you can let one of your star animator handle before he has to move on to the next one. So in that regard I prefer consistent quality in a short fight over a drop in quality in a stale but authentic long one. Not that I don't feel you on that one but it just can't be helped.

That or it is just that also in the Novel was that fight short...



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More creepy Astolfo fanservice(bc the previous scene was not long enough apparently).

Karna(AKA DiscountGoldie) versus Siegfried(AKA DiscountAchaaa) fight was actually yet again, one of best parts of episode. See ufo? Characters can actually THINK! And HAVE THOUGHTS! WHILE FIGHTING! Imagine THAT! Now it remains to be seen in A1 remembers characters have thoughts in longer fights too or if they will go all ufo and leave people guessing why things are happening.

Also servant flashbacks? Yass. Again, if this was Ufo we would get some characters walking past some random shitty dimly lit mural instead of actually seeing the past.

THE BEST part however was Moedred's screentime, yet again. Go-Lion-kun and Moedred should have been the protagonists.

Either way the MC-kun is here! I guess at least people hateboner towards Shirou will decrease now that fate with an actual LnProtag-kun is airing. The downfall of Apo story can begin now.

7/10
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Karna was too good for this particular grail war.
 
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MC-kun finally comes into focus and his circumstances seem interesting and he could raise a few intriguing identity issues. It's fairly early at this point in the story, but i can see myself draw a few parallels between him and Hakuno at the very start of Extra, we'll see.

Watching Karna fight was absolute bliss. I just hope they tone it down with the sound effects a bit.

How stupid is Siegfried's Master? "Please, Ruler, join me in this fight you're not supposed to join when i so conveniently waited until this moment to interfere."
But yeah, I've read the manga to the latest chapter, so i know that this is low on the scale of how stupid he'll get later. Sumanai, you poor bastard.

That reminds me, WHY THE FUCK DID SIEGFRIED JUST NAME HIMSELF!!!?? I mean, you didn't even tell it to your allies. Who wrote this script?

Astolfo is fun to watch, but how much more fun it'd be IF HE WAS JUST A GIRL, GODDAMMIT.

Shirou seems like the most friendly person ever. Look at him take care of those walking death flags of characters and maybe even relief them of their misery very soon. So considerate.

Then we shift focus to FRAN AND HOW ADORABLE SHE IS AND CUTE AND LOVABLE AND-..... Ahem. Moving on.

Overall, a very good episode and the action is the best it have looked in this show so far.

8/10.

Also, RIP the first victim of this cruel war.
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A1 already disappointing me, that saber-archer fight severely lacked detail and was mostly explosions and effects, the few frames of actual close combat shown were choppy.
 
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Everybody waiting for the subs be like



Karna vs Siegfried fight

Keyframes of said fight

Astolfo doing what he wants lol, what a free spirit

Fran was hella cute this ep, Caules x Fran ship in full swing?

Shiro is such a "gracious host" to his fellow Masters...
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Fuck obnoxious siegrager, STOP desperately trying to shove all this shit down our throats.

Note: Fai is the same shitposter who haunted Granblue threads with a raging hate boner for Gran and male characters because his favourite character (Djeeta) has not been chosen as MC.

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Too bad, Ruler still doesn't show her fighting skill. I really want to see her battle vs someone.
 
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Too bad, Ruler still doesn't show her fighting skill. I really want to see her battle vs someone.


Minor spoiler,
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I have to say, if there's only one thing good about that anime, it's the seiyuu cast. Having the like of Miyuki Sawashiro, Maaya Sakamoto and Suwabe Jun'ichi as part of the main cast really help. + There's at least Nakahara Mai and Hayami Saori among characters that we haven't really heard yet.

Even if everything else ends up mediocre, that part should at least delivers until the end (except if all the good cast goes out of focus or die too soon, obviously).
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LawfulEngineer said:
ryanstrike said:
Too bad, Ruler still doesn't show her fighting skill. I really want to see her battle vs someone.



Minor spoiler,

Haha, i guess i must wait then! i have just hoped it's not too long!
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Fran doesn't even need to talk to prove she's best girl.

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but at the start of the episode Astolfo is carrying the homunculus when two soldiers or whatever asked him about someone escaping, it felt weird to me that they didn't even ask about who that person he was carrying was.

Pretty enjoyable now that I'm finally starting to remember everyone, 4/5 episode.
 
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Maybe I'm overthinking it, but at the start of the episode Astolfo is carrying the homunculus when two soldiers or whatever asked him about someone escaping, it felt weird to me that they didn't even ask about who that person he was carrying was.
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Nuh, that was the point. They know it's the homunculus Caster is looking for but pretend that they don't know and continue on. My guess is that it's either out of fear for Astolfo or genuine want to save another homunculus.
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More details about the characters. The servants' backstory were nice!

 
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Nuh, that was the point. They know it's the homunculus Caster is looking for but pretend that they don't know and continue on. My guess is that it's either out of fear for Astolfo or genuine want to save another homunculus.


Thanks for the answer! Both options look nice to me n_n
 
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See ufo? Characters can actually THINK! And HAVE THOUGHTS! WHILE FIGHTING! Imagine THAT! Now it remains to be seen in A1 remembers characters have thoughts in longer fights too or if they will go all ufo and leave people guessing why things are happening.

Also servant flashbacks? Yass. Again, if this was Ufo we would get some characters walking past some random shitty dimly lit mural instead of actually seeing the past.


To be honest I prefer ufo style... leaving hints but not showing directly, and leaving space for the imagination of the viewer -besides, most servants in fate are well known historical figures, so you can get easily a lot of the context and interpret it (all the "memories" scenes in Zero and UBW were really smart managed... but this flashback... didnt convince me.

Still loving this show (despite the Nascar pace) and Red Saber team... Already hating MC-Homuncu-chan
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Nice Episode even tho Karna Vs Siegfried is short. Hoping the animation quality to hold up for the rest of the shows
 
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Aredros said:

To be honest I prefer ufo style... leaving hints but not showing directly, and leaving space for the imagination of the viewer -besides, most servants in fate are well known historical figures, so you can get easily a lot of the context and interpret it (all the "memories" scenes in Zero and UBW were really smart managed... but this flashback... didnt convince me.


Except that FSN servants had DIFFERENT backstories from their historical counterparts. Knowing FSNCaster's myth is not enough to understand her motivations and behavior. I have yet to see an anime only who gets wtf she was about. And all because Ufo, instead of adapting the part where she literally narrates her motives and past to herself, decided to add stupid Mr.Gatorade filler with a random mural in background of one scene. If anything UBW gave way too long of a flashback for ONE SERVANT WHO DID NOT NEED IT(Archer whose past is not supposed to be shown) AND messed it up completely, so no it was not smart.

So far A1 actually bothered adapting servant flashbacks(unlike ufo), did not cut the flashbacks into 201228728 scenes that interrupt the ongoing events(unlike ufo) and actually allowed the audience to know the character thoughts(unlike ufo). That's a major improvement, even if source material is worse.
 
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Me after watching the few pairs of master/servant interacting and blushing: Omg just f**k already!
 
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Well well.....all i can say after comparing every servent (through fgo wiki)..karna got more skill and damn np but still i think apo ver is a little nerfed...one thing is certain that karna is going to end up like Gilgamesh(without using it in full power)..
 
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And talking bout jeanne's trump card don't forget she can olny use it once she has to offer her body to the God so(its means DEAD)i don't think she's gonna use it
But hey im not dissatisfied from A1 its good ...
 
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neonie said:
Scrubbing through this episode, and sighing as it seems Jack doesn't appear at all in this episode. So we got nothing for Episode 1, 3 seconds in Episode 2, and Nothing in Episode 3.
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Except that FSN servants had DIFFERENT backstories from their historical counterparts. Knowing FSNCaster's myth is not enough to understand her motivations and behavior. I have yet to see an anime only who gets wtf she was about. And all because Ufo, instead of adapting the part where she literally narrates her motives and past to herself


agree with you about the backstories and ufotable stuff,

decided to add stupid Mr.Gatorade filler with a random mural in background of one scene.

but gatroade is not filler and was written by nasu, Ufotable just butcherd it and made it worse, like you it mentioned before

If anything UBW gave way too long of a flashback for ONE SERVANT WHO DID NOT NEED IT(Archer whose past is not supposed to be shown) AND messed it up completely, so no it was not smart.


archer past about the CG deal was in the VN but nasu wrote more about it, and that was good, not only was important about the shirou and archer plot, most fans wanted always see his backstory, but ufotable fucked this up too because in nasu's script the whole flashback was different

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I really don't appreciate you doing this. And the spoiler tag is completely meaningless when your entire comment is inside of it. ._.
 
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but gatroade is not filler and was written by nasu, Ufotable just butcherd it and made it worse, like you it mentioned before

Its not in the VN and it contradicts the VN so it exists only within ufoubw storyline. In VN she describes her master as some random fat dude.


archer past about the CG deal was in the VN but nasu wrote more about it, and that was good, not only was important about the shirou and archer plot, most fans wanted always see his backstory, but ufotable fucked this up too because in nasu's script the whole flashback was different


The whole gist behind Archer is that you don't know what led to it - its abstract on purpose. What you learn in VN is not his history, but story of his failure because he essentially embodies that - failure. Archer is a nameless hero - narrative should not tell a defined past or defined path for him , just a sense of it's outcomes. Having exact story of what happens defeats the point of that as does spending so much time in one place upon it - having bits and peaces of metaphors about it during the dreams through the show would have bee enough -


Especially since FZ already exists and that gives a decent example of "journey of ideals failing you". What we SHOULD have gotten was
and that would be enough, because Archer is not a "character' - he is a "conflict". His story s not about what happened to him. ITs about that he failed.
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I really don't appreciate you doing this. And the spoiler tag is completely meaningless when your entire comment is inside of it. ._.


And i don't appreciate you belitting everyone that doesn't look like a sexualised loli in this episode, see what i just did?
 
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Fai said:
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but gatroade is not filler and was written by nasu, Ufotable just butcherd it and made it worse, like you it mentioned before

Its not in the VN and it contradicts the VN so it exists only within ufoubw storyline. In VN she describes her master as some random fat dude.


 
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Fai said:

Its not in the VN and it contradicts the VN so it exists only within ufoubw storyline. In VN she describes her master as some random fat dude.




Might be. Don't remember exactly beyond him being pretty much insignificant
 
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A decent amount of background in this episode. Nice that they're trying to humanize each side. Taking a liking to both side's servants. Siegfried's master continues to feel like the biggest douche.

Unfortunate that we didn't get to see Karna fight Jeanne, and Siegfried's fight with Karna felt a little lackluster. But interesting that each side seems to think they have the upper hand (Siegfried saying he can beat Mordred in ep. 2; Shirou saying Karna can beat Jeanne). To what extent their confidence bears true we'll see (they're probably both wrong).

Frankenstein too cute. Best character is between Mordred and Astolfo so far.
 
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Issues i have after watching this episode
1-Siegfried revealing his true name dont know why Higashide decided to change the script
2-Karna vs Sieg fight was too short i was expecting it to be like 3+min :(
3-Sound effects was awful , seriously A1 what are you doing i thought i had pblms with my headphone

Good thing about this episode was Karna entrance ,Fran and Moe cuteness
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There were so many things wrong with this episode
1)The fight was way too short(It was supposed to be 4-5 hours long fight ,they should have atleast​ made it 3 mins long)

2) Siegfried and Karna REVEALED their names.why?

3)Karna was nerfed in this fight



Those spoilers are minor spoilers from novel.

Episode rating 3/5
 
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Man, that Karna vs Siegfried battle looked cool, but it was too short to enjoy. I guess the battle of the next episode against Red Berserker will be longer (very hyped for that).
The master of Siegfried is a complete moron, but his fails are so stupid he kinda ends up being hilarious.

Also, Black Berserker? More like Waifu Berserker :P But dat Jeanne though.

The main character also appeared. Let's see if he will be as bad as some people label him.
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There were so many things wrong with this episode
1)The fight was way too short(It was supposed to be 4-5 hours long fight ,they should have atleast​ made it 3 mins long)

2) Siegfried and Karna REVEALED their names.why?

3)Karna was nerfed in this fight



Those spoilers are minor spoilers from novel.

Episode rating 3/5




 
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What a nice guy Astolfo is. He just went and helped the Homunculus. But they showed more of that creepy fanservice.

Black Berserker is such a cutie.

The fight between Karna vs Siegfried was short but awesome and Siegfried's master is a useless guy.

Loved Mordred's reactions in this episode. But poor Jeanne, her luggage was destroyed.
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Nice episode in general, glad to see (again) that Astoflo didn't forget that he was a Hero when he was still alive.

The Servant with so much swag that even i can't match it finally appear even for the little of time. If someone was curious who was the "man" Karna was talking about when he was fighting Siegfried it is this Dude. The "Dere" Berserker of Black and Mordred are just too cute lol.

Next episode will finally be when (and now i upset many fatefags but he is just too fabulous that's why i love him - no homo) the STRONGEST servant in this show. kick the shit out of the whole squad (ok ok not the whole squad).
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Kuro Saber vs Aka Lancer battle was too short, not that I hate it though. I'm gonna prepare myself for some great battle in the upcoming episode.

I thought I had problem with my headphones, turns out sound effects was really suck, eh?

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Also, Black Berserker? More like Waifu Berserker :P


I KNOW RIGHT!! Never a Frankenstein stole my heart so much.

Jeanne D'arc tho! God I love her so much, the reason I watch this in the first place was her and Mordred. But damn Frankenstein and Astolfo are cute too.

Looking forward to the next episode.
 
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The Karna vs Siegfried battle was very cool. Got some backstory for Siegfried and Frankenstein. She's so cute. Siegfried's master is a douche bag. A homunculus escaped. Astolfo took care of him. He only has three years to live. Mordred's outburst was amusing.
 
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Yeah but it kinda makes the name thing with Gordes from last episode sorta pointless
 
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Interesting fight in terms of animation, certainly different. Reminded me a bit of the later Naruto fights (animation and art). Doubt everyone will like it but i'm on the ''like''- faction.

What i especially liked was the scene with Fran and her master, that was really nice.
 
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Wow, that's probably the most I've ever seen Karna speak.

And the monologuing during the fight was a nice touch/shuffle. Ufo should take some notes

Frankenmoe is ridiculously cute.


Ufotable should really take notes , DEEN and A1 shits on them when it comes to this since Ufo makes monologues boring and robotic
 
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Interesting to see a little bit of action this episode and even Rider of Black Karna showing up! We got Karna confronting Siegfried as well. I also like how the episode focused more on Siegfried. Frankenstein is still amusing to watch in this show lol


Its Lancer of Red, Karna the Sun Lord!
And damn boy, Siegfred vs Karna was lit.
 
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Wow, that's probably the most I've ever seen Karna speak.

And the monologuing during the fight was a nice touch/shuffle. Ufo should take some notes

Frankenmoe is ridiculously cute.


Ufotable should really take notes , DEEN and A1 shits on them when it comes to this since Ufo makes monologues boring and robotic

I honestly believe that the general idea behind the Answer fight in the UBW movie was much superior to ufo's. Too bad the final execution sucked.
 
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That was a really nice battle between Red Lancer and Black Saber....I liked both of their characters too :) Mordred continues to be bae <3 And Frankenstein is really starting to grow on me

As for Astolfo, he continues to impress me based off of his conviction and compassion when it came to the homonculous dude (I completely forgot that people make them in this series lol)

Jeanne's neutrality seems like something that could get annoying after a while but I'll refrain from judging until something that warrants me to judge happen but other than that, I'm looking forward to seeing more of her and I'm hoping that she isn't going to LITERALLY be watching 24/7

Great episode overall
 
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Those Master siblings are most likely gonna be massacre'd Urobutcher style, they're too innocent for that world. Someone has to fulfill the suffering quota I guess.
That boring ass newborn homunculus MC will most likely be the downfall of this shitshow, Thats what we deserve I guess, fuck him, Sisgo & Mo-san duo as MC is too good for us, they barely got any screen time this episode.
Karna seems OP but pretty stoic and boring, same with his opponent.
Ruler probably won't remain neutral for long.
 
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