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oh well Enma Ai is is finally back ^^ |
Code_Lies said: WOW its 2017 and Deen managed to make the character, fluidity and animation like this was 2005. People may disagree as saying its nostalgic, but Deen should at least make it fluid, even Konosuba is more fluid than this. Sasuga Deen, for making a new low. So its just continuous mocking in a group message, without real bullying like putting her face in the toilet or something. For a jigoko shoujo's first episode, this is damn weak I agree with you on the animation, even Saiyuuki, an old series that got a sequel this season has better animation. Cyber bullying can be just as bad physical, there have been cases where the victims commit suicide over it. So, it wasn't "just mocking" she was completely ostracized by her peer group. |
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| It's been a while, but it's really good to see this show is back and that it's still as brutal as ever, with the usual harsh punishment and that cruel revelation that maybe the bully girl wasn't the one who revealed the secret chat to the class at the end. Definitely the best premiere of the season up to this point, although it will be disappointing to have some recaps later on (although considering how long it has been since I watched the other seasons, they might feel like new episodes when they arrive). Excellent OP and ED as well. |
Code_Lies said: WOW its 2017 and Deen managed to make the character, fluidity and animation like this was 2005. People may disagree as saying its nostalgic, but Deen should at least make it fluid, even Konosuba is more fluid than this. Sasuga Deen, for making a new low. So its just continuous mocking in a group message, without real bullying like putting her face in the toilet or something. For a jigoko shoujo's first episode, this is damn weak Bullying doesn't need to be physical for it to be bullying. She's ostracized and told repeatedly that she's horrible and that bad things should happen to her. Plus they threatened, even if they could have been just saying things to get a rise from her, that someone should kill her via Hell Girl. It's not putting her head in a toilet, but cyber bullying and being ostracized like that is unfortunately a lot more normal in this day and age. All this just because she's apologizes when someone bumps into her. That sort it stuff is normal in Canada. But we do say sorry for everything. |
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| a great episode , i loved it but the ending doesn't seem to fit at least for now |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
MonoJuMal said: Code_Lies said: WOW its 2017 and Deen managed to make the character, fluidity and animation like this was 2005. People may disagree as saying its nostalgic, but Deen should at least make it fluid, even Konosuba is more fluid than this. Sasuga Deen, for making a new low. So its just continuous mocking in a group message, without real bullying like putting her face in the toilet or something. For a jigoko shoujo's first episode, this is damn weak Bullying doesn't need to be physical for it to be bullying. She's ostracized and told repeatedly that she's horrible and that bad things should happen to her. Plus they threatened, even if they could have been just saying things to get a rise from her, that someone should kill her via Hell Girl. It's not putting her head in a toilet, but cyber bullying and being ostracized like that is unfortunately a lot more normal in this day and age. All this just because she's apologizes when someone bumps into her. That sort it stuff is normal in Canada. But we do say sorry for everything. Of course bullying is a bad thing, which includes cyber bullying. But what I'm saying is, cyber bullying like this as a plot is damn weak for jigoko shoujo. Considering they were a lot of dark stuffs in previous seasons of jigoko shoujo, starting a new season after almost a 10 year gap with an episode of this plot is pretty damn weak. And her reasoning is much weaker. I mean, she just apologized too much and that's the spark that made them bully her? Yeah, pretty stupid Its pretty normal to apologize for everything like that (especially in canada lol) |
| This show was needed in a world of negativity and struggle. Beautiful stories of grave social events with great morale I am so glad she got her flower theme kimono back |
| Teenagers are terrible. Mayama really shouldn't have read all the chats. What's the point. Her classmates are all terrible. |
| i never liked the premise of this story if someone is trying to kill you then you have no right to self-defend ? For example in ep 2 of the first season the girl would die if she did not use the contract. And now she has to go to hell even tho she did nothing wrong. Are you telling me that the only way to get to heaven is to be passive your whole life ? Also can this story ever get an ending ? Ai is still being forced to work for the devil or something like that right ? |
| Overall, I'm very happy that Jigoku Shoujo is back. The new girl (I'm talking about the one that appears and disappears sporadically throughout the episode) is pretty interesting; I'm wondering what her role is? Just to remind Ai of how things are in the world? The first episode was interesting. When Yukawa introduced herself to be Mayama's friend, I immediately suspected she was the leader of the bullies (that's what happens when you've been watching all four seasons; some plots become predictable). I guess I was kind of right, in the end. The whole Yokota thing was kind of confusing, though. We know one of the Yokota is Knight, but if Knight is the bully who released all the chat logs, why did Knight act concerned for Mayama at the end? Maybe they intentionally left it as open-ended. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| I did enjoy the return of Hell Girl, however the animation and the art was really bad compared to original 1-3 series. WHY everybody was so ugly? Also only 5 original episode left :/ |
Hell!! Yes! I really liked this episode |
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| Great episode! So happy to see this anime back after so long! :) |
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| i've always hated the fact that the victim of each episode could've done something better, and stand up for their self. but i guess, it's just the premise of the series.. glad to see this series back tho! and now, im watching it on weekly basis instead of binge-watching it for 3 seasons straight (which can get boring) |
| The art is so clean compared to my foggy memory of the past seasons! It's a rock solid start on all sides and I don't expect any less. I see Michiru will be nagging Ai for this entire cour, or at least until her backstory is revealed :/ They even started out with a case tormenting and dragging an "innocent" person to hell.. looks like the signature depression of this series is just as strong as ever. dark_reunion said: wah it was so satisfying how can she thinks that she will be forgiven even she started the bully ai no yatte iru koto konpon teki ni tadashi tte omottoru ha Mmm. The "bully" didn't make her original comment with complete malicious intent. Only to express her frustration at Mayama's passiveness. She didn't participate any further when others took it too far and even tried to make amends afterwards. The thing that pushed Mayama to the edge was Knight who leaked her chats, who turned out to be someone else entirely. That said, Ai and her crew know exactly what's going on every step of the way, but they don't intervene no matter how tragic things turn out. I suppose you can say they let things take their natural course and are morally grey. |
ramenshoujoJul 16, 2017 7:21 AM
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| I'm really happy that the bitch got what she deserved, how can you say that she's annoying because she apologized. But I'm angry because Yokota escaped, and her classmates should die too, scum like them aren't meant to live. |
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juicykitten95 said: i never liked the premise of this story if someone is trying to kill you then you have no right to self-defend ? For example in ep 2 of the first season the girl would die if she did not use the contract. And now she has to go to hell even tho she did nothing wrong. Are you telling me that the only way to get to heaven is to be passive your whole life ? Also can this story ever get an ending ? Ai is still being forced to work for the devil or something like that right ? None of the characters on the show needed to use the hotline. They were just too lazy to solve their own problems and resorted to this. Quick fixes might be great, but the consequences are just too heavy on this show. This season might be the last though :) So we might get a proper resolution here. Code_Lies said: MonoJuMal said: Bullying doesn't need to be physical for it to be bullying. She's ostracized and told repeatedly that she's horrible and that bad things should happen to her. Plus they threatened, even if they could have been just saying things to get a rise from her, that someone should kill her via Hell Girl. It's not putting her head in a toilet, but cyber bullying and being ostracized like that is unfortunately a lot more normal in this day and age. All this just because she's apologizes when someone bumps into her. That sort it stuff is normal in Canada. But we do say sorry for everything. Of course bullying is a bad thing, which includes cyber bullying. But what I'm saying is, cyber bullying like this as a plot is damn weak for jigoko shoujo. Considering they were a lot of dark stuffs in previous seasons of jigoko shoujo, starting a new season after almost a 10 year gap with an episode of this plot is pretty damn weak. And her reasoning is much weaker. I mean, she just apologized too much and that's the spark that made them bully her? Yeah, pretty stupid Its pretty normal to apologize for everything like that (especially in canada lol) We do say sorry too much lol. I once apologized to a door when I bumped into it. I get what you're saying, but I'm wondering if that's the point. That new girl kept saying that this was wrong and shouldn't happen, but Ai just said that work is work and it doesn't matter. It could have been because of the twist at the end, or that petty stuff like this shouldn't have to use the Hell hotline. |
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| all that bullying for no reason fucking assholes |
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| Okay so in the end she took out the main culprit of her suffering, but she left out the knight dude who revealed her thing to the class. Seems like there's some unfinished business that needs attending to... Question, as a new viewer of this series I really want to know the mechanics of this show. Can a person only send someone to hell only once? or can they send multiple people? Also, what happens when said person is sent to hell? Does every trace of his/her existence disappear from the world? I mean it would only make sense that way right? Unless they write said person off as a missing person in the real world after they disappear..? |
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| OMG! DAMN! I regret NOT watching the previous 3 seasons! 5/5! |
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| Feeling really nostalgic |
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L-Ryoshi said: Question, as a new viewer of this series I really want to know the mechanics of this show. Can a person only send someone to hell only once? or can they send multiple people? Also, what happens when said person is sent to hell? Does every trace of his/her existence disappear from the world? I mean it would only make sense that way right? Unless they write said person off as a missing person in the real world after they disappear..? It's only for one person. Remember at the start of the episode, Kikuri told off Mayama for wanting to send everyone to hell. It doesn't work that way, which was why Mayama waited before finding out who she thought was the real bully. And no, people's memories aren't gone. If you watch the earlier seasons, after sending their tormentors, the victims either moved on with their lives, or realized nothing ever changed. |
Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| I guess I need to rewatch the previous seasons. Its been quite a while since I watched it. I already forgot the main story and the character relationships in this show. On the episode itself, I think the studio did a great job in maintaining the same eerie atmosphere that the previous seasons had. I just hoped that they've presented a more original/fresher story for the first episode to keep it more interesting cause school bullying is already overused in this show. Still, it was interesting with all the misunderstanding in the end. I'm glad that they're trying to revive a great show even though its only 6 episodes. Hell Girl is back and i guess i'll be trying to die once AGAIN. |
| They didn't change her voice on her execution catch phrase. Given how the last one ended, I wonder how this one will turn out? |
| When I heard that hell girl was coming back I was so excited. This series was amazing. Most episodes were able to stand alone nicely. I do admit I was worried because the last season wasn't the greatest. I like that they kept most everything the same, but this episode wasn't as strong as those in the past. I felt like it was kinda rushed. Not to mention, if she could scroll all the way back up to see the original person who commented, why didn't she do it sooner? I get she was very emotional so maybe she did out of desperation, but it makes little sense. I wonder if they wanted to start this off like the original first episode of hell girl. If i remember correctly, the very first episode in season one also dealt with bullying. I will keep watching but this first episode has me slightly worried in the story department. |
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| how i missed hell girl so much!!!<333 |
sukanime said: I'am Glad, Jigoku Shoujo is back. But the story is to weak for me, i agree with Code_Lies said in this Quote bellow. Code_Lies said: Considering they were a lot of dark stuffs in previous seasons of jigoko shoujo, starting a new season after almost a 10 year gap with an episode of this plot is pretty damn weak. And her reasoning is much weaker. I mean, she just apologized too much and that's the spark that made them bully her? Yeah, pretty stupid Its pretty normal to apologize for everything like that (especially in canada lol) This, also say what you will, but while season 3 had some light hearted punishment, however sending someone in the hell was mostly backfired, and usually totally innocents was sentenced to eternal suffering in hell. Fourth season first episode was kinda mediocre and lacked the previous ones charm. |
| I always like the morality of Jigoku Shoujo, you send someone in hell but you understand when it's too late that you send the wrong person. |
MonoJuMal said: I get what you're saying, but I'm wondering if that's the point. That new girl kept saying that this was wrong and shouldn't happen, but Ai just said that work is work and it doesn't matter. It could have been because of the twist at the end, or that petty stuff like this shouldn't have to use the Hell hotline. Lol just hope that door won't call hell girl to send you to hell |
When I watched the first season of this that was translated as "Care to give death a try?" I really found it a lot more chilling :) |
| Great first episode! It's been many years now since I last watched Jigoku Shoujo!!! What blows my mind is they were able to keep the same VA all throughout!! They even have the same OST when it comes to the execution of vengeance or the contacting Enmai Ai and even the river scene! I even knew she would do the ED's like the old seasons. It's been so long since I last heard Mamiko Noto's voice in Enma Ai!! Definitely what made her popular to me for sure!!! It's also nice to finally watch it in HD and widescreen! Even though the art of the students are ehh, at least Enmai Ai and others looks soo good! Shame there's only 12 episodes and only 6 of them are original. Want more Enma Ai!! |
When I watched the first season of this that was translated as "Care to give death a try?" I really found it a lot more chilling :) yeahhh i like it more too |
| Been a while since I saw the first 3 series but I was not a fan of this one's animation. It honestly looked kind of ugly. Or maybe plain? Like I guess it's technically better quality but I'm coming off series like digimon and the first precure where despite being older they still look more interesting. But besides that this episode was pretty good. I appreciate a few things more than when I first saw the series. I always thought it was so ridiculous some of the scenarios in the older episodes; there are other episodes about students bullying one single classmate, but why would this be such a big deal? I thought. It's because it's a whole bunch of immature teenagers put together while they're all experiencing different rates of growth. They don't necessarily need a reason to start mocking one singular student, but don't anyone underestimate how painful that can be for someone that age. This isn't a weak start at all. It's a story of one girl being pitted against all her peers, and constantly being reminded how much they hate her. I think Hell Girl is pretty good at depicting how stressful these situations can be, how helpless they can make someone feel. This girl could talk to her teacher, but he likely wouldn't do anything to intervene, since in his eyes it would be her fault for making people take notice of her. She doesn't seem to have the greatest relationship with her mother, but even in episodes where that wasn't a problem, she still doesn't feel like she can talk to anyone. The second thing these series do often is utilize victim blaming, though I can't say confidently that the writers are trying to demonstrate that it's a problem, rather than just utilize it. The girl who ultimately goes to hell starts the whole thing because she was mad that the other girl kept apologizing for no reason. This could have been amended if she talked about it, or just not bothered, but here they are regardless. Whether the right person went to hell or not isn't exactly the point. The point is that revenge is never the right answer. It's a vicious cycle that just keeps taking people. The girl who pulled the string decided that she was wronged, and took action against the one she thought wronged her. And will pay for it eventually. And I have a problem with this. A lot of episodes are pretty clear cut cases where one person takes direct action to hurt another. Taking revenge against someone who hurt you doesn't mean you're just as bad as them. Like no one would argue that Harry Potter is just as terrible as Voldemort because he fought him and took his life. But that's what this series is doing. The one thing missing is the scene where the person who contracted Ai finds a mark on their body to signify that they're going to hell. But I'm sure it will be in future episodes. This series paints hell as an uncaring nonjudgmental place; all acts of harm are wrong, regardless of the intent. It just makes me think how much more important it is to be able to communicate with others especially in cases of disagreement. The music was good, with all the classic reused scenes. That bit of torment before the victim was sent to hell was a real trip. Regardless of her exact role, she was still selected to be punished, so that's what Ai's assistants will do. I love Ren, Wanyudo, and Hone Onaa but like the rest of season 3 I feel like warowaro and Kikuri are completely unnecessary. The fact that I couldn't remember the 2 girls' names right after watching, well, that's how it is for most episodes. I can remember a few cases but I couldn't tell you any of their names. And Green Girl! Who is she? I don't think I saw anyone mention her yet. She reminds me of (Yuzuki?) from s3 except she seems like she's a spirit like the rest of the gang. Is she like an attempt to balance out the cruelty of hell? Maybe another side of the coin to Ai's indifference? Which is the wrong angle, I mean Ai was sentenced to this position. She's not doing this for kicks. I hope Green Girl has something important to do. I figured they'd cover the new eps first then the "reminiscence" later but I think it wold be better if they did new-old-new-old etc. I wonder whether they'll try to cover the "best" eps (however you would judge them) or maybe some of the least memorable and make them look better (again, what you consider a good or bad episode of hell girl is pretty subjective). |
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| Well, finally I watched this and I have a few things to say. 1. Well done, animation is better from the other 3 seasons (yes, they have been made years ago... etc..) 2. Music is the same, I can't complain. I really like it. 3. Maybe Ai Enma is different, in past season she never asks the victim of (abuse, etc...) id she/he is really sure to send someone to hell. 4. New character. Things are fast. Maybe because of the 12 episodes of this. 5. Now are cellphones. will we be watching a character sending a name to the old mode? But, thinking it, in an episode of the first season it told us in a time was a newspaper, then computer and now cellphones. So its good that Enma Ai adapts. 6. And finally I can say there are better episodes of this dedicated to bully. |
minimiauJul 22, 2017 7:47 PM
| It's so nice to see it back! I wonder what the new girl wants....In the end Knight was really another person... |
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juicykitten95 said: i never liked the premise of this story if someone is trying to kill you then you have no right to self-defend ? For example in ep 2 of the first season the girl would die if she did not use the contract. And now she has to go to hell even tho she did nothing wrong. Are you telling me that the only way to get to heaven is to be passive your whole life ? Also can this story ever get an ending ? Ai is still being forced to work for the devil or something like that right ? the doll is not the only way to defend yourself in that world.... the dolls a cursed item. i don't think you would go to hell for defending yourself with normal methods |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| Let me explain where I am coming from, so that my later comments are a bit better understood: I was seriously abused in school (elementary) by students, and teachers- yes, TEACHERS as well. I mean the whole 9 yards: physical, severe emotional, and mental abuse. To the point if being near a nervous brake down and being suicidal at the ages 8, 9 & 10. I still have PTSD to this day, after all of these years and MANY therapy attempts. Currently, I am 31- almost 32. So, when I say the following- I do NOT say it lightly. The things that a person deems as abuse, differ, based on the person & situation(s). Still. The way this seemed to play out, did not seem right, to me. The motivation wasn't enough (to me anyway). Yeah, there was some mental abuse there, but, the person who started it didn't INTEND for others to take it that far. She felt badly, and tried to help (I still don't understand who put those textx out there for everyone to see. The guy in the other class seemed to not know, and the girl in her class who started it felt badly- so, why would SHE put those things up for others to see? I don't get it.) The best way that she could, without admiring what she was ashamed of, and trying to remedy. The hell sending seemed undeserved (she understood that what she started was a wrong mistake on her own(or seemed to, anyway), then the abused girl turned into a real bitch. The type of character that I cannot stand(not the bitch type- just nasty, rude and ignorant of others feelings- she wanted others to respect her feelings, so, she just turns into the kind who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything, but herself. She seems to have turned into the abuser type, rather than trying to get through it and.... Its just a really unsatisfactory episode, for me. She would have been better off accepting the other one's apology (which is something I can't do, easily, since, even when made aware if what they were doing to me, they said they did not care, laughed it off, and got worse, with the abuse) and giving up, on using Ai's "services". There were a few episodes (not many) where no one was sent to hell. They could have both worked together to stop the bullying on the school. I haven't watched ep 2 yet, because this one PO'ed me off, and just depressed, me because it seemed like a hallow, useless ending to an episode (in the past, a few... A very few in this series left me feeling like that. And I was really happy to see it coming back, too. Such a dissapointment. |
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