Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni. Episode 1 Discussion

Jul 15, 2017 6:42 AM

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Eh, this is totally generic, and the MC is completely OP, but that's basically what I was expecting.

Nothing much in the way of plot yet other than generic kill N monsters questing, but hey, it's only the first episode; give it time to develop a story. I like it when shows take the time to do a little worldbuilding and don't immediately jump to in medias res to try to hook people with an action scene.

Jul 15, 2017 7:09 AM

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Askorti

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seconds_to_dere said:

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Naimi_Miyamoto said:

DefyingMadness said:
The main character of this show makes Kirito look well written. LOL

Kirito IS a well written character......only in Alicization tho

Askorti said:

DefyingMadness said:
The main character of this show makes Kirito look well written. LOL

Because Kirito is actually quite well written. Especially later on.

Saying Kirito is well written is basically saying SAO is a great anime

Wasted potential first off, overrated, horrible love story, should not have tried to be a harem, crappy dialogue, glorifying overpowered protagonist gives the show no sense of danger, terrible fight direction, wasted animation budget, unnecessary fan service, poor dub, poor sub, stole VRMMORPG approach from .hack and even made it horrible, many many many plot holes

Alright. The guy who made it has never experienced love or played games ever in his life, progressively gets worse, very bad ending of SAO season 1 that can be seen as cliche and very poorly executed, fans just make it all the worse, unnecessary side stories, detestable characters which are either bland or just flat out annoying, did I mention how bad the plot is? Oh I did. I just can't help how bad it is and how bad it's executed. The beater concept is actually pretty hilarious, tries to be good, generic antagonists

TL;DR: Episode 1 was alright
Episodes 2-end of Aincrad Arc were meh-bad as it went on
ALO was obviously total shit
S2 was better than s1 but still shit

SAO is a pretty good anime. Maybe not great, but above average for sure.
And how can it be overrated, when the majority of the community keeps sh*tting on it like it's the spawn of satan himself?
The love story is, in my opinion, actually one the better side for the very fact that it actually has some sort of progression unlike most other anime. SAO is one of the few series where the MC gets a girl and they are together for any length of time before the end of the series. It doesn't cocktease you, it gives it to you straight. How many "harem" LN protagonists actually get a girl before the end of the story? And it's not even a real harem. In a proper harem the girls fight over the MC and vie for his attention and love. There's none of that here, even though the girls fall in love with him, they know right away that there's no competition here and they simply become his friends. And there's no romantic tension afterwards, no drama, nothing. They move on.
You would have to elaborate on "crappy dialogue". It's not a a valid argument if you don't back it up somehow.
Kirito is not that OP. In every single arc he needs someone's help to actually win the fights that matter. Also, him being strong is an integral part of the story. He's not strong just because, it's supposed to make a point about what strength is.
And again, you throw around meaningless phrases. Back your words up man!
And on fanservice. It is always unnecessary. How often does fanservice actually mean anything to the plot? And it's not like there's a particularly amount of it either. A few shots of overly tight pants, a shower scene, your standard LN adaptation fare. If anything, I would say it's fairly tame in comparison to mot series.
Please, tell me about the plot holes in detain. Because, AGAIN, you're just throwing around meaningless phrases and not arguments.

If you ask me, you sound like your typical SAO basher who only watched it to be able to piss on it because he's heard how awful it is. Or started it with god knows how high expectations and was disappointed that it didn't live up to his lofty standards.

You should hear how you sound like defending SAO like a true filthy casual of a cancerous fanbase

I almost forgot to mention it's also a plot armor galore lol

Pulling a hax and beating Kayaba even though he already vanished, but somehow returned and stabbed Kayaba what a load of BS

And becoming a GM in the end logging in Kayaba's account, now that's some dues ex machina garbage right there

Keep lying to yourself Askorti, like I said fans like you just make it all the worse

The power of your argumentation is truly astonishing. Your ad hominem game is really strong, you totally convinced me of your points. You mentioned not just cancer, but casualness too. Absolutely great points. Now I understand, SAO is indeed truly a shit anime. I bow my head to your refined elite taste in chinese cartoons, please, teach me your ways.

On a more serious note, stop embarrassing yourself mate, it's clear that you don't have any actually good and logical points to make.

But for the sake of argument, I will point out that he had not vanished in that scene. It was just a representation of his death, what should've happened, but didn't. But if you actually watch it properly you'll see that he's still stabbed in the chest by Kayaba's sword. What actually happened was that he got stabbed, started (slowly) vanishing but managed to gather his resolve and stabbed Kayaba back before vanishing completely.
Also, a Deus ex Machina is not inherently a bad thing. There's a reason it was used in ancient plays. It was a part of the story and had meaning to it. You just have to... you know... Think while you watch it.

I've heard that excuse before, "he didn't vanished" lol

When in fact his health bar went completely empty and a pop up notification appears says "you're dead" what further proves this is that Kirito's shattered pieces rebuild itself and the fact that Kayaba couldn't even evade or see it coming. That stabbed was only possible for him if he actually vanished and reappear thus caught Kayaba off guard.

Have pity on yourself bro and stop crying, you're further embarrassing yourself. Go watch your 3rd anime now, comeback when you've watched at least 600 anime

He didn't disappear, because it wasn't in the LN. What's more, the LN also explains the scene exactly, including why Kayaba couldn't evade. I've got the edge over you here, because I'm actually a fan of the franchise, so I know a bit more about it than you do. So I can explain such things with ease.
Yes, his heath bar was empty and he did get the "you're dead" notification, but between that and actual death there's a delay. He used that time to strike back. And Kayaba couldn't evade because Kirito was too quick, since his quick reflexes kicked in. But go ahead, try to act like you actually know anything.

Also, your continued ad hominem are really cute. You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. :)

Who's throwing meaningless phrases now? Lol give me a link to that chapter on the LN or I've had it with your logic and baiting

You know you're tripping when you're argument was simply saying you're a "fan" lol you're hilarious kid

"his quick reflexes kicked in" lol why didn't he did that from the start? You wanna know why? Coz he can't outpowered Kayaba at that point, Kayaba being the smart person that he is already prepared himself against Kirito coz he got overpowered in their first duel

Smh kids these days, I'm not even a fan of the show but I know more about it than you do kiddo, what a "fan" you are lol

Vol. 1, chapter 23, let me quote the relevant parts for you:

My HP bar vanished completely as if mocking my anger. A purple message appeared within my vision: [You are dead]. It was the command from the god to die.
An icy coldness permeated my body. My senses dulled. I felt the innumerable blocks of code unraveling, severing, and destroying my very being. The cold crept up my neck and into my head. Touch, sound, sight, everything became hazy.
My entirely body was starting to dissolve— becoming shards of polygons— before scattering in all directions—
You think I would let that happen?
I opened my eyes widely. I could see. I could still see. I could still see the face of Kayaba, whose sword was dug deeply into my chest, and the expression of surprise on him.
Perhaps my accelerated senses returned, as the death of my avatar, which normally happened within a single moment, felt like it was slowing down.
The outline of my body was hazy, and particles of light broke off and disappeared here and there. But I was still existing. I was still alive.
“Hiiiiyaaaa!”
I screamed with all my strength. I screamed and resisted. Resisting the system,
the absolute god.
[...]
My left arm slowly began to move. Its shape was distorting and chunks of it broke off with every bit of movement. But it didn't stop. Bit by bit, it consumed my very soul in order to raise itself.
Perhaps it was the price of my insolent resistance, as an unbelievable pain was coursing throughout my body. But I gritted my teeth and kept on moving.
The distance of merely tens of centimeters felt unbelievably far away. My body felt like it was frozen. Only my left arm had any feelings left, yet the coldness was quickly enveloping that part as well. My entire body was like an icy statue with shards of it continuously breaking off.
But at last, the silver rapier reached the center of Kayaba's chest. Kayaba didn't move. His expression of surprise had already disappeared— a soft, peaceful smile had taken its place.
My arm covered the remaining distance, half propelled by my determination, and half moving by some inexplicable force. Kayaba closed his eyes and received the blow as the rapier pierced his body soundlessly. His HP bar had also vanished.
For a moment, we simply stood there, with swords that penetrated each others' bodies. I used the last of my strength to force my head up and look at the sky.
Is this—enough…?

So I guess I have to retract one point I made. Kirito didn't move too quickly for Kayaba to evade. Kayaba just chose to not evade.
And "I'm a fan " was not an argument in itself. It was a statement that supported my previous arguments. A source for them if you will. It is more than obvious that a fan of a work would know more about it than a person who hates it and is dismissive of it.

Also, it shows just how immature you yourself are when you keep on calling me a kid. You know that you won't win this argument because of your limited knowledge, so you try to belittle me as a person. It's really cute. And really pathetic. I suggest you stop it, because it won't get you anywhere. It sure won't get a rise me, because I'm not stupid enough to be affected by such petty words.

I read it. And it just further proves he vanished, I thought it was just all in his mind that he vanished coz that's the usual excuse of cancerous SAO fans like you but no, this is really a plot armor that makes it a plot hole bcoz he basically hacked the system, I mean that's a program and it can't even be called a bug, if the author just explained it's a berserker kind of skill then that should have at least make it a plot armor but this is a legit plot hole a dues ex machina like that final fight in season 1 which is the lamest final fight ever

it's shit writing through and through, deal with it, you lost kid

I see, so your reading comprehension is very much sub-par. It literally says "before scattering in all directions", so I don't know how you construed it as him vanishing and coming back. But I guess this explains why you are just so wrong about this series. You just, quite simply, don't get it. Your misguided criticism comes from lack of understanding what you see on the screen. Which I guess is quite common among SAO haters.
And as I said before, the "Deus ex machina" at the end of season 1 (end of the Fairy Dance arc) is a literal one. A god from the machine descends upon the scene, Kayaba Akihito intervenes just like in the ancient plays. It is not used as an easy way out, it's very much on purpose. It is not bad writing. On the contrary, it is quite good writing, a reference to antique conventions and motifs used in a medium completely dissimilar to the one it was originally used in. But a person so blinded by petty hate would not see it. Either because you can't, or won't. I think you don't want to see it, because you're already set on hating the series, so no amount of explaining will reach you. You decided that it's bad, and that's it for you.

And by the way, about "hacking" the game. It is a recurring theme in the series that strong emotions can and will affect the game itself. This scene was not the first nor the last time it happened. It's not a plot hole, it's a plot point.

"strong emotions can affect the game itself" you saying the show isn't just sci-fi but also supernatural? Lol

Also if he really didn't vanished why did the anime made him scattered but didn't explain Kirito's thought process of the time inb4 LN is very detailed

Kayaba said it himself that that was a hax and more than his calculations meaning it's basically some miraculous BS

Ok... I will try to explain to you as simply as possible. What is the NerveGear connected to? The brain. Where do emotions originate? The brain. It is not a stretch at all to assume, that aside from the NG feeding the brain impulses, the same thing could happen the other way. So there's no supernatural involved, nor miracles. Just an unexpected bug in the machine. Kayaba may have created the thing, but that doesn't mean that he could've predicted everything.

Why did the anime do it the way it did? I dunno, ask the director. Maybe for the effect? Doesn't matter, it is a simple fact that he did not disappear and appear again. You can't refute that.
And Kirito's though process was not explained because it never is. Anime and LN are two mediums that use different ways of conveying information and explaining things. The LN is strictly from Kirito's point of view, his recollections. The anime can't replicate it without having long stretches of nothing happening but the MC ruminating on things. This also one of the reasons many people who just watched the anime didn't like Kirito as a character. They didn't pay enough attention to understand him. The things that the LN states explicitly, in his thoughts can't be shown on screen as easily. But if you read the novels, Kirito is a pretty interesting character.
It is similar with Mahouka, the anime is pretty good, but it absolutely pales in comparison with the novels which are simply awesome. Mainly because the anime lacks the explanations and the inner thoughts of Tatsuya.

Your continued abuse only shows that you don't have any valid points to make. Oh, wait, you never had any. From the very beginning all your arguments were shallow and illogical. I wonder what it is you're trying to achieve though. Because if you think that you will make me angry, then you're sadly mistaken. Nothing you write will be able to do that, so you might just as well surrender, it;'s pretty obvious at this point that you don't have the capacity to write anything worthwhile.

Mod Edit: Modified quote of edited post.

ArdanazJul 16, 2017 11:39 AM

Jul 15, 2017 9:31 AM

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KekaishiRyu

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I kinda hate it that we didn't get to see the MC died. But, the anime itself for me looks promising so i'll probably will continuing the series and see how this anime turns out to be.

Jul 15, 2017 10:45 AM

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