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Jun 30, 2017 11:32 AM

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Honestly, it started off really great up till episode 8-9 but then really went downhill. This last episode, too, was slightly out of place especially with the Child and the 16 years of what exactly? On the other hand, it was great to see Saraka giving up her powers in order to blend in with humanity. Though, the death of Shindo was really unexpected to me. Well, not a bad series overall despite being a little unsatisfactory.

By the way, I acccidentally clicked the 1/5 option in the poll but I meant 3/5. Can somebody please help me fix this?
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Jun 30, 2017 11:35 AM

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6/10, would not waste my time watching it again. This is to remind me how bad the end of original anime can be despite how good their premise is...
Toei and their retard "magical girl saves the day" bullshit... I'd fire the person who thought this was a good idea for the end of a science fiction...
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Jun 30, 2017 11:49 AM

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Seriously, this show just handed down the best shocks throughout the season. And damn what an episode it was.
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Jun 30, 2017 12:17 PM
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Oh well at least they went all in. They didn't want to end it in a simple way (some sparring, then talking, then ZaShunina leaving or something like that) and i respect that. If you began destroying a perfectly good and interesting idea, then go all the way to make it the most cringy and stupid ending that you could ever think of, because the show is already beyond saving anyway. Not that i expected anything good of the show's finale after it went downhill, but at least it wasn't boring.

The most disappointing anime series of 2017 for me so far and it will remain as the show that destroyed my faith in Toei.
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Jun 30, 2017 12:39 PM

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Shindo's and Sarakas daughter? Okay nope I'm out :( Sorry for everyone who liked this but for me it's just plain stupid and unnecessary...

I would have liked a cut in the middle of this episode, just because of this death scene alone I would have added +2 on the rating. No, I don't ship Zashunina and Shindo! But the scene was beautifully done. If it would have stopped at this very moment I would have forgiven the stupid things they did with Saraka.

The daughter seems a bit like a Mary-Sue (Allmighty and such blabla)... but well. It's over now. Byebye potential and story line that I have expected to continue like this after 8 episodes. Initial Rating has been at 8, now I'm down to 5 and I'm nice about it because I really liked the start.
 
Jun 30, 2017 12:56 PM

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Great premise, dragged in the middle, devolved into shounen nonsense in the end. Awful CGI doesn't help. Ultimately, a waste of time.
 
Jun 30, 2017 12:58 PM

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WTF, they had a baby, well that escalated quickly. This final episode totally made no sense.

The final conclusion after watching this anime: SEX CAN SOLVE EVERY THING!
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:01 PM

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Trainwreck/10. This makes Mayoiga look like a masterpiece.

LOl rarely do i see smeone mention Mayoiga in 2017. I agree Mayoiga is a materpiece compared to Kado... Really what the hell was that final episode...

FROM being Scifi political anime that requires you to think it got into some kind of Mahou shoujo stuff :D

Also studio was basically saying GET REKT fujiyoshis RIp Shindo Zashunina. OTP is Shindo x Saraka
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:05 PM

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Well, I certainly wasn't expecting that

it was a weird show overall... which took itself a little to seriously at times. Animation was hit and miss... not quite sure whether or not I liked it, although the CG stuff for the cube was fun

7/10 overall for me

edit, 6/10, after further thought, the show doesn't really seem as interesting as it first may have

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Jun 30, 2017 1:07 PM

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It's almost astonishing to think of what this anime was like when I first watched it, and to watch the final episode today, I really have to wonder what the hell the showrunners were smoking when they came up with this.

Saraka and her daughter, someone that has had literally almost no contact with other people, are the ones that get to decide whether humans should get to have advanced technology or not. Because that makes so much sense.

Also, poor Hanamori, guy literally lost 16 years of his life.

Only interesting part of the episode was zaShinuna, he was more emotional than most of the humans.

Alas for what could have been!
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:16 PM
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I don't post often, but I was interested to see what people had to say about this. The last few episodes of this series were so bad I can't even begin to fathom what drugs the author was on.
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:21 PM

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There's nothing wrong with people who enjoyed this anime all the way through (seeing all these 9/10s here), but you're delusional if you think the show maintained any kind of the quality it had in the first half.
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:27 PM

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GAH!!!!! I wanted to share my thoughts but am really really sad in different manner.

This could been better... much much better!!! BUT! the 12 episode was not okay. The idea was masterpiece but what just Toei tried to tell us with this such ending? I dont get it.

It could been better or professional feel if they could actually extend the length of episode. Well too many things in my mind but there is one perfect similar anime I have seen and this one was close in the beginning but as main point got twisted, then the anime felt different... especially it didnt focus on central main interesting point

But I cant say that it was absoultely wrong anime I watched, but somehow I was glad to watch this especially the first 3/4 th of the show. I am sure creator had lots of ideas for the approprite ending and they could make single best ending if it was another 12 episode. Despite such short length, it didnt had the worst ending tho. Wished GoHands could handled this anime :\

btw guys, title is absolutely misleading! the title should been -> KADO - The Wrong Answer

well that was a silly mistake?

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Jun 30, 2017 1:30 PM

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I liked the idea of the show and found it interesting to watch, but the last few episodes ruined it for me. Especially this finale, it was like the final nail in the coffin. I don't think I've been this appalled by an ending before. Nasty.
 
Jun 30, 2017 1:34 PM
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Probably the worst ending that could've happened. Depending on if there is second season (i presume there is not) there is some space for it to excuse itself.

I expected this series to end with zaShunina becoming a human like Saraka did. He would live in limited world, but would have unlimited information.
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Jun 30, 2017 1:49 PM

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Why did Shindo have to die? What was the point? He has a daughter who can take zaShinina out no problem, why didn't he just send her there from the start?

I get that Saraka was saying "Oh we had to make you believe that you'd won" but Yukiko had no trouble at all, they didn't need to have Shindo killed off at all?
 
Jun 30, 2017 2:00 PM

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What an incredible asspull! They just ditched everything about diplomacy and benefit of both sides Episode 0 tried to build-up so hard for whole the series and went with such pathetic unsatisfying conclusion instead! Not to mention they've pretty much destroyed zaShunina in just one episode, he was so out-of-character almost all the episode.

Time-travel, unborn daughter with superpowers greater than everyone, the "right" answer, yeah! You gotta be kidding me, right?!

They pretty much left us with meaningless symbolic bullshit with no underlying message whatsoever. Empty words! Why to destroy such promising series with the end like this?
I'm just very angry right now...

Of course, it's wasn't bad series per se (yes, there were some flaws like professor character or some minor illogicalities but still). In fact, it could be great series if they did the ending right. But sadly, that didn't happened.

They even tried to ask the important humanity questions and stayed out of cliche mostly so I really don't understand why they had to do it so badly in the end.

I kinda enjoyed it for most of the time but in the end this is...

6/10 The perfect example of promising series that was mad irrelevant by its last episode.
 
Jun 30, 2017 2:24 PM

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Shindo and Saraka's daughter coming from the future (or rather a time bubble in this instance) and saving the day sort of made sense from a philosophical standpoint, but from a story perspective it felt like a bit of a deus ex machina.

Overall a decent anime, I enjoyed it well enough even if a few parts were a bit vague or contrived.
 
Jun 30, 2017 2:25 PM
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The last 2 or 3 chapter really disappointed me. So much good build up and potential were buried in a wave of cheese at the end. All these emotions at the end felt so out of place. A being like Za-sushina wouldn't behave like that.
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Jun 30, 2017 2:58 PM

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Shido and Saraka are legitimate sociopaths.

zaShunina was the purest maiden.

Hanamori's fate was just mean.

Comedy of the year and best "lolwut" moments since Guilottine Gorilla.
 
Jun 30, 2017 3:22 PM
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Shido and Saraka are legitimate sociopaths.

zaShunina was the purest maiden.

Hanamori's fate was just mean.

Comedy of the year and best "lolwut" moments since Guilottine Gorilla.

Liked it because Samurai Flamenco is fundamental.
Otherwise you are wrong and this series is also too advanced for the average viewer. It does give everyone the right answer, and ultimately everyone is happy.
U just cant process it! The information is beyond u hahahahahaaaa!!
May you get there though. Best wishes to everyone.
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Jun 30, 2017 3:24 PM

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Hanamori has the worst fucking friends.
How DARE they say that the child isn't his, he just spent 16 fucking years raising it. All Shindo did was nut inside Tsukai. I would've been fucking pissed if I was Hanamori and I heard them say "It's Shindo's"


If anyone ever says you can judge an anime by the first 3 episodes or without having seen the whole thing, let Kado be brought up. I have never seen a show so wonderfully shit the bed in the last 3 episodes. I wasn't even that bugged by the Tsukai twist, it's really just the focus being shifted away from humanity and their collective response to everything, to the individual characters who are all as flat as disgusting pancake. Couple that with this plot device ending that brings up a whole bunch of inconsistencies and relies on strange ethnic issues, impossible forethought and a character sacrificing 16 years of his life because he loves Shindo for reasons nobody knows and you have yourself a shitshow of a shitshow.

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Jun 30, 2017 3:39 PM
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There is tremendous value in the series either way. (Not even saying it could not have ended any other way and still be integral and coherent). The pretense that this was a simply talking-science-fiction busted loudly with the appearance of the (higher being behind the existence of humanity) second ani-being... Most people were content and did not even think it would turn out that way. But when it did, "Booo worthless, booo not how I would make it"... Foolish. There is tremendous value in the series even if you simply follow masses reacting. I approve.
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Jun 30, 2017 3:46 PM

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Chill members, our boy Shindo is not dead. Just like his daugther said, he had become something beyond the information. But I bet Shindo never thought he can become one at that moment also. By understanding more on the anisotropic most likely change him and the professor girl(disappeared).
 
Jun 30, 2017 3:56 PM

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I actually enjoyed this finale... It really cought me off guard!

First, Shindo is stabbed because the "machine" was "corrupted"...


Then, they have a DAUGHTER? WAT? WuT? WTF? That was a huge surprise... And using the 4th gift to chance time inside the safe box to make "the Hibrid" age was genius!

Besides, he didn't like being played...


The only thing getting on my nerves was the Zashunina always screaming "Shindo! Shindo!" rrrrrrrh! 😡😡😡😡😡


Overall: 9/10
 
Jun 30, 2017 4:09 PM

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I don't know what is wrong with some people here on MAL, but I definitely enjoyed the entire series to it's fullest.
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Jun 30, 2017 4:22 PM
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Trainwreck/10

I admit, the ending could be worse, solving everything on an ilogical and pointless DBZ style battle. But, it's still terrible. A lot of things gone unexplained.

ZaShunina going full emotional in just 2 episodes makes no sense. His yandere conclusion "I can't have you, so I'll kill you" had both no logical nor emotional embasement.

Also, Shindo's death was probably to shock the public, but the setting for his death was poor, and it had no point at all, since his daughter was so OP, and time could be altered at will by Saraka, Shindo's death was completely pointless.

The devices stopped working for no reason after Kado was gone. When they said Kado was linked to the devices? Humanity wasn't taught how to make them, so they didn't need to rely on anisotropic to produce Wam?

Introducing a new character would be a good idea, if she wasn't introduced in a rush and thrown out at the same speed. Felt like "QUICKLY, WE NEED TO END THE SHOW ON EP 12, WE NEED A FAST SOLUTION, ANYTHING!" and that how she was born. Also, the concept isn't quite right. If the point is the union of anisotropic power and human individuality, then Saraka and ZaShunina should be equally OP, because when they "descended" to the human world, they eventually developed this individuality, wich ZaShunina explicity manifested. So, what exactly make the anisotropic-human daughter so OP again? We'll never know.

The romance between Saraka and Shindo is something that was discussed on episode 10, I don't need to rectify how terrible that was.

I think I'm missing many more things that have gone unexplained or without embasement, but I will stop my rant here.

I'm giving that show a 5, in respect to the original idea and the way it gone until episode 10. I expected much more from Seikaisuru, and it disappointed me so much I'm not trusting any Toei animes anymore.
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Jun 30, 2017 5:31 PM
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They fucked :^)

Gonna expect some parodies about that.

That's what she said.
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:01 PM

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poor zaShunina , he deserves much better than this </3
they really f***ed this show
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:02 PM

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zaShunia's facial expression was exceptionally amusing. Woah a kid huh, gotta fulfill nature's duty of passing on those genes somehow. I do hope Hanamori gets overtime compensation. It did not end with a timeline reset as I expected so that was interesting. 8/10 as long as you don't get your panties in a bunch over an anime.
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:13 PM

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Wtf was that, the ending was a trainwreck and man the show went from 100 to 0 real fast.

You really can't convince me that zaShunina didn't notice/forsee time being manipulated or could stop them from using the feature?? It's HIS creation ffs. And how would that even work, the "child" is half human half anisotropic and her "mom" lost most of her powers since she was reborn as partly human or something like that so how the hell would she be stronger than zaShunina? Thats just flawed logic. How the hell did the car get in there?

Also HOW did 16 years pass and like where, cause it sure as hell didnt happen in the outside world so was it inside Kado? Without him noticing? But then how does that work? They did the deed and then manipulated time on Saraka so the pregnancy + 16 years would pass by quickly? Then how come she isn't older looking?

It just seems like bullshit & extremely flawed writing to me and I'm honestly shocked by how disappointed I am in the ending, I had such high hopes for the anime.

What also really bothered me is that Shindo basically emotionally manipulated his best friend into losing 16 years of his life to raise their "child"/"creation". What the fuck.

I'm so disappointed and irritated god this is so not what I'd hoped for.
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:19 PM

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Was really worried the last episode would devolve into a punch-'em-up, the preview from episode 11 had me worried, but it didn't disappoint
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Jun 30, 2017 6:46 PM
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I'd have to say this was probably the best anime this season in terms of overall enjoyment.
Not gonna get a syfy this good for a long time.
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:49 PM

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It was overall a good Anime I think.
But, with all those plans who have Shindo, he didn't really have to die. That's is pointless. And zaShunina being so emotional distorted, is that he is finally more human, well that's says Shindo too... Maybe in that way humans are more advanced in the FEELS XD.
I understand that the daughter can talk with Shindo because she is able to communicate with something beyond information. I assume that when she talk and reply stand next to Shindo.
And I assume Saraka know that in the end.
But I really, really thing, that with all those power of her daughter, Shindo Don needed to die to surprise zaShunina.
Fuck ending.
So good series but this ending could it be more happy, without logical or story quality problem.
 
Jun 30, 2017 6:59 PM

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Well, this would've been the smartest show of the season if not for that what the fuck ending, but the early episodes were still good enough for me to give it an 8/10. Hopefully the next smartest show this season, Re:creators has a satisfying ending.
 
Jun 30, 2017 8:08 PM
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Fujoshis and "boo shounen" on suicide watch. Baby Yukina was adorable. 8/10
 
Jun 30, 2017 8:37 PM
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In the end, it wasn't a shounen battle between Shindo and zaShunina.

Still, I didn't like the way this series turned after ep 10.

zaShunina turned from a cold and logical being to a complete emotional being too fast

It complete replaces humanity questioning about evolution for a struggle between Saraka and zaShunina about how to manage humanity. The humanity itself had no way to speak for itself if they wanted to go to the anisotropic or not.

It had great potential to be a good sci-fi. It feels the story is broken somehow (probably it was a 24ep story)

6/10



not really... zaShunina was cold and logical, to ANY creature the idea of the unknown is daunting and he's been struggling with that the moment he interacted with humans, the more he learned the more he began to struggle and cope, it's no surprise at all he began to basically break down in what APPEARED to be really quickly, I mean a few months shown in 12 episodes, there's a lot we don't get to see...

my question is, is Shindo really dead? Didn't his daughter talk to his corpse as if he were alive? I think his "soul" survived though his body is now empty hence "beyond information", also with Saraka saying she has no power left yet on the balcony it's implied she does, you hear the sound effect of the anisotropic so either she lied and left earth maybe searching for shindo's soul? or her daughter returned but then there'd be no point for Saraka to have walked out of sight... I think that's the symbolism of the paper swan, one of each representing shindo, Saraka and their daughter, at least that's my thought... I was hoping to find a comment that mentioned this to justify my own idea but so far no one seems to mention it that I've seen yet, any thoughts on this?
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So not only did they have a daughter for the sole purpose of being a weapon but trapped her in a prison with just one other person for 16 years. Gon's dad, Goku, yeah they got nothing on these two.


Yeah I was thinking the same thing. That's so out of character. They didn't seem like the sociopathic kind till then and bam suddenly they're creating baby weapons and shit, completely disregarding the babies life. And zashunina turned from unemotional to emotional way too fast. Man what a waste of potential.


You know the funny thing is I keep seeing people say "poor Hanamori" because he sacrificed 16 years of his life to raise their daughter. But she was trapped in a bubble her entire life. Honestly that's a villain origin story if anything. I wouldn't have blamed her if she sided against Shindo. Unless Hanamori spent those 16 years indoctrinating her for the final confrontation. Brainwashing is always a sound tactic when raising child soldiers.
 
Jun 30, 2017 8:43 PM

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Could've gone worse. Was still pelasantly surprised by the last episode.

The PM made a very valid point.
Now that humanity has knowledge of the anisotropic, we know where to advance to solve our problems.
 
Jun 30, 2017 9:00 PM
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Wtf was that, the ending was a trainwreck and man the show went from 100 to 0 real fast.

You really can't convince me that zaShunina didn't notice/forsee time being manipulated or could stop them from using the feature?? It's HIS creation ffs. And how would that even work, the "child" is half human half anisotropic and her "mom" lost most of her powers since she was reborn as partly human or something like that so how the hell would she be stronger than zaShunina? Thats just flawed logic. How the hell did the car get in there?

Also HOW did 16 years pass and like where, cause it sure as hell didnt happen in the outside world so was it inside Kado? Without him noticing? But then how does that work? They did the deed and then manipulated time on Saraka so the pregnancy + 16 years would pass by quickly? Then how come she isn't older looking?

It just seems like bullshit & extremely flawed writing to me and I'm honestly shocked by how disappointed I am in the ending, I had such high hopes for the anime.

What also really bothered me is that Shindo basically emotionally manipulated his best friend into losing 16 years of his life to raise their "child"/"creation". What the fuck.

I'm so disappointed and irritated god this is so not what I'd hoped for.


Actually he wouldn't notice it... it's something that can be used individually and it's not HIS creation, it's something anisotropic beings are capable of and anyone really with that "4th gift", and it's not time being manipulated... it's a pocket of time, separated, they specifically explain it
Sarakas powers were surpressed and released, she was still quite the anisotropic being, not human
The car came out of the pocket of manipulated space
Hybrids are more powerful in just about any sci-fi genre... the best of both worlds, the fact she had an understanding of humanity AND anisotropic leading her to understand better of both worlds, which one of each could not fully understand the other
If you notice the guy who was younger than Shindo was now physically older... recall when zaShunina was explaining to shindo about time manipulation? one went faster than the other by 6hrs which appeared to be like 2minutes? Were you even paying attention to the show at all? They weren't with their daughter... they had sex, she conceived and after like 1 year to them or I assume the 17 MINUTES SHINDO WAS "MISSING" they left their daughter to stand before zaShunina and within the (what would have "realistically been") maybe more than the time in the show, 16 years could have passed... or maybe they had sex they night they kissed in the episode and what they told that guy that distraughted him was partly that "we've had a child" so the following few days was that 16 years...
It was actually quite smart writing in my opinion because I understood these things the series had basically explained quite simply... also Shindo didn't emotionally manipulate his friend to do anything, he asked. He says he could've asked a number of people, and his friend clearly doesn't seem to look regretful, he was basically like an uncle taking care of his neice and willingly, practically thinks of her as a daughter
 
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This was quite different than what I expected, not that that is a bad thing. I am a little disappointed with the conclusion though. This is probably one of the worst offending deus ex machinas I have ever seen.
 
Jun 30, 2017 9:12 PM

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Jokes aside, this anime went downhill fast IMO. I don't really mind the romance specifically (although I'd prefer if it hadn't been a thing), but the show went from being plot-driven to character-driven within the span of, like, one episode and it was an extremely awkward transition. Heck, even in the previous episode, there was a moment between Shindo and some guy whose name I've already forgotten that was supposed to be touching, but I barely even felt anything since he was a random side character who's only shown up on screen like three times.

6/10, since the concept was unique and decently lived up to its potential for a good chunk of the duration.


^^This^^ It started out so strong! Then it fell flat and never revived. I felt that the art and music were pretty good so I gave it the same score.
 
Jun 30, 2017 9:17 PM
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I know this a probably a stupid question, but I'm new to anime. This caught my attention through. Do you think think Shindo loved Saraka and Yukika in his own way? Because it look like it to me in the phones video. Plus he said he had precious things in his world, and looked at Saraka. Please don't get mad at my question.
 
Jun 30, 2017 9:46 PM

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Lame last two episodes. Pretty strange too.
 
Jun 30, 2017 9:49 PM

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Jesus... How Horrifying. I give 6/10 for this anime, because I liked very much the first part(episodes 1-6). But the other part was terrible. All very rushed, forced twists plus these zaShunina reactions and shonen things.

 
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Aaaaargh.
Please.
Why did it happen.
It can't be
I can't believe it
You were supposed to be the chosen one.
Please, just, let me forget.
 
Jun 30, 2017 11:47 PM
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Seems like the right answer was making babies ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

That ending was bad, could have been worst tho and be a boring dbz style battle but it finished with a bang instead. It sure was a spectacle..

Going to give it a 6/10 and not less tho because before episode 9 it was a legit good show and i was looking forward to it a lot this season.

Dammit Toei.
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Not bad, i was suspecting they want to go for the cliffhanger and put us on a tale for a 2ed season but no, they actually finished the story.

ZaShunina- Shindou moments were predictable but that "get out of here faget, i have a kid and its gonna kick ur ass" moments was really funny and unexpected.

So overall, although the anime wasn't the "Right answer" that it could've been, but we can say its qualify to be "An answer", so i give it 7/10.
 
Jul 1, 2017 12:29 AM

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For a good show, the ending was bad. However, remove the advance technology is acceptable. 7/10.
 
Jul 1, 2017 12:36 AM

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This was a beautiful trainwreck. It destroyed my initial expectations to this show but welp, a salty and buttblasted Fujo fanbase is fine too
 
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