Seikaisuru Kado Episode 12 Discussion
Jul 24, 2017 6:30 AM
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Jul 26, 2017 12:33 AM
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That ending was a curveball but I liked it nonetheless. It seems like Shindo may still be alive, in combination of the daughter talking to him in spirit and based off Saraka quoting being beyond information both in front of their daughter and alone a month later. Sost likely Saraka exited the normal dimension, causing the blue crane (shindo being blue, Saraka being purple?) to fall over. I think that's where the daughter and Saraka went to at the end. But even if that's not the case it was meant to be symbolic for sure. But combined with the sound, pretty sure, Saraka left somewhere.
Honestly though it was too rushed. Besides the fact that ZaShunina suddenly became overly emotional in a span of seconds, it just doesn't make sense why Shindo had to "die". Honestly when Saraka said the requirement was to make ZaShunina believe that all the plans failed and also to give more information then possible at a given time, it almost felt like Shindo ultimately only died to surprise ZaShunina for the sake of surprising ZaShunina (and us) with no relevance toward actually defeating ZaShunina and stopping him from transferring the universe to the ansiotropic.
Perhaps if they some how made relevant why Shindo might've been delaying ZaShunina up to that exact second (maybe she just barely turned 16 or had to turn 16 to get her powerrs???) it would've made more sense. Overall I still enjoyed the series and the questions it posed, even if it never answered it. I enjoyed seeing Saraka make her moves on Shindo lol.
Modified by yngtadpole, Jul 26, 2017 12:36 AM
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Aug 11, 2017 10:30 AM
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I really enjoyed the start of the anime then as the episodes flew by I started to just get bored with it.
Although I watched til the end, it ultimately came out to be an average anime. Nothing special in my eyes.
I do think that it's complete with very little plot holes (Which is a good thing)
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Aug 12, 2017 7:36 AM
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Enjoyed a lot how the plot always throws surprises, and totally trumped mal premature fearmongers of shounen battle or gay end. They stuck to their theme of negotiations, and Shindo didn't even get a punch (his daughter did in his place lol).
Somewhat rushed, but one of the more epic & beautiful endings. It's rare enough a show gets any ending.
Shindo's sacrifice, making baby with Saraka, and Hanamori raising Yukika in a 16 year spedup relative time chamber using Nanomis, creating this univser-anisotropic hybrid, is some next level surprise plan for gay Yaha-kui.
Living in a chamber sounds stifling. But this huge plan also justifies the romance, which some folks for some reason think it's unnecessary, when romance is rather common in drama, even beyond anime. Their earlier kiss (with quite good animation) becomes foreshadowing for the plan & Shindo deathflag.
Shindo noted Yaha becoming more human, anger, jealousy (ntred lol), impatience. We see him developing throughout, so the show doesn't ramp up, but remains consistent. As he started reading the books, especially Romeo & Juliet, I could see his pov shifting. He stayed true to his justified goals, just did it with impatience & force without consulting humans.
"That which goes beyond information": I like the thought, beyond anisotropic's instinctive need to process info. It hints that Shindo is a ghost or in a "spirit world"/different dimension, and Yukika apparently could talk to him. Last scene also shows the 3 cranes representing the family, and supposedly Shindo's crane moves. Even Yaha's stage was a giant paper crane.
So people lost all the treasures, but they didn't return to square one. They know about the anisotropic, and basically plan to travel to meet Yaha there on their own time, instead of forced into it. It seems a subtle difference, but important enough where Shindo made Yaha realize he's wrong.
Aug 26, 2017 8:29 AM
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Sep 18, 2017 6:31 AM
Joined: Apr 2014
So Shindou is dead? Very disappointing tbh. First he gets a child with Tsukai then he asks his best friend to lose 15 years of his life to raise that kid in his stead in an isolated space on top of that and at the end he just dies?
What was the point of his "fight" if that wasn't the real plan anyway? Could have just done it the right way and survive to continue living with the people that "he used" for that plan...
I mean the last two episodes were a lot better than expected after the turn of events in ep 9 or 10 (not quite sure anymore when the reveal was) but that end was really annoying.
Modified by Nanashi, Sep 18, 2017 6:50 AM
Oct 14, 2017 3:17 PM
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Shoutout to Shun Hanamori for taking care of yukika for 16 years, I think shun has the right to call her a daughter, but no... the people who said against. I feel bad for Shun Hanamori. I am surprised that saraka, the being who gained a lot of emotions from this universe, was willing to do something like having a daughter and have her in a place where time travels faster for 16 years.
Nov 3, 2017 12:55 AM
Joined: Feb 2015
I'm of the opinion that Shindo is still alive and just in a different form. (The reason being Yukika was able to talk to him.) At the end, the others ask Saraka about the devices that stopped working if it was her. She said it was Yukika's doing and that she had lost her powers. (A lie?) At the very end, if you listen as Saraka walks behind the curtain, there is a sound that seems to me as that she's transposed (transported?) somewhere else. (Probably to be with Shindo and Yukika wherever they have gone to.)
In my point of view, I think that it was their intention to disappear since they still have their powers and Yukika is a higher dimensional being, they would never be left alone.
Dec 16, 2017 11:15 AM
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Baka-man said:+1 again I reiterate, I don't get how some people don't see how the series before episode 8 and after episode 8 is totally different, it's like people who refuse to acknowledge Samurai Flamenco is different after episode 9, even though it's totally in your face about it. Yahakui zaShunina is so out of character in the last few episodes I really can't..
So not only did they have a daughter for the sole purpose of being a weapon but trapped her in a prison with just one other person for 16 years. Gon's dad, Goku, yeah they got nothing on these two.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. That's so out of character. They didn't seem like the sociopathic kind till then and bam suddenly they're creating baby weapons and shit, completely disregarding the babies life. And zashunina turned from unemotional to emotional way too fast. Man what a waste of potential.
Shout out to Yukiko though, the last 5 minute character to save the world from getting destroyed because that's the only plotline Japanese writers can come up with these days.
ep1 = friggin amazing
ep3 = still friggin amazing
ep6 = ok what's next
ep8 = stop it saraka ur preachy
ep9 = wtf zashunina why ur char did a 180
ep10 = wtf is going on why is zashunina suddenly forced to be a villain
ep11 = wtf stop this bs
ep12 = glad it's finally over, such disappointment.
oh yeah and Samurai Flamenco is different after episode 9 but it's still really good in some other way, characters still remain consistent unlike Seikaisuru Kado that just fell off.
edit: I actually do like the use of CG here though, usually CG is very expressionless like in Ajin but here you barely notice it, the animation/movement is more fluid than it was in 2D and characters are capable of having different facial expression unlike the usual 3DCG that I've seen.
the music is also amazing and made the series so much easier to get by in moments where nothing is really happening.
Apr 10, 2019 10:24 PM
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May 5, 2019 10:42 AM
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It doesn't matter that Shindo and zaShunina died.
Because we can't see higher dimensional beings, our definitions of life and death are limited. Tsukai shows us that what we think of as death is NOT the end for anisotropic beings, and is reborn as different animals.
So what happens to people? Wherever Shindou went at the end, Tsukai disappears to be with him.
Finally, Human beings are an infinite singularity of information that zaShunina wants to harvest and consume because in the anisotropic information is a finite resource. You can see why the hybrid girl is so special
Jun 11, 2019 2:09 AM
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