Kakegurui - Compulsive Gambler -
| His description - Yumeko’s classmate. Cowardly and poor, he quickly ends up being treated as Maeri’s livestock, and is called ‘Pochi’ (a common name for a dog). However, he is saved from this predicament by Yumeko. Seriously? Am I the only one that's tired of the pathetic male trope in anime? Just reading a description like this is more than enough to put me off a show because from past experiences these are whiny, annoying characters that constantly get in the way and will most likely have a lot of girls, for kami-sama reasons, after him. |
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| he is the most pathetic and worst character in the series. his role is basically just for representing our perspective |
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GangsterCat said: The beta insert thing really needs to die out and a main character that's a hindrance and annoyance to a series just already drops the score, and personally makes it difficult to watch he is the most pathetic and worst character in the series. his role is basically just for representing our perspective |
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| He sucks and besides he isnt the actual MC, Yumeko is. Hes her sidekick and basically irrelevant. |
| You know a show is instant garbage when you have trouble finding the fucking main character on the cover image. |
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Normally I would agree with your comment but in this series cause like everyone else said he isn't important at all. he is more of a side character then a main their arcs where he doesn't appear in. Yumeko is the proteg Mary the female lead and the guy doesn't cause for a hindrance for the GL subtext of the series. |
| huh? He's just an ordinary man who's not good at gambling, that's all. Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves. Yeah, mb a little bit pathetic but in the last chapters he's pretty cool... |
zanquen said: huh? He's just an ordinary man who's not good at gambling, that's all. Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves. Yeah, mb a little bit pathetic but in the last chapters he's pretty cool... Just a bit thought it's more about Mary being in the spotlight. |
zanquen said: "Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves" that's exactly the issue...pathetic beta inserts. If you feel the need to insert yourself into this character, you're a bigger loser than him. What do these producers think of the fans if he feels that he is the type of person you should relate to?huh? He's just an ordinary man who's not good at gambling, that's all. Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves. Yeah, mb a little bit pathetic but in the last chapters he's pretty cool... |
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harshtruth said: he is more like observer to the whole thingzanquen said: "Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves" that's exactly the issue...pathetic beta inserts. If you feel the need to insert yourself into this character, you're a bigger loser than him. What do these producers think of the fans if he feels that he is the type of person you should relate to?huh? He's just an ordinary man who's not good at gambling, that's all. Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves. Yeah, mb a little bit pathetic but in the last chapters he's pretty cool... |
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harshtruth said: "Suzui is like a character for the viewers with whom they can associate themselves" that's exactly the issue...pathetic beta inserts. If you feel the need to insert yourself into this character, you're a bigger loser than him. What do these producers think of the fans if he feels that he is the type of person you should relate to? this ↓ GangsterCat said: he is more like observer to the whole thing something like that xD Not exactly the same person but a character who observes that shit :D |
VeremudJun 29, 2017 3:45 AM
| I still think that he was a editor decision to make it easier for readers to understand some games as every other character is a pro at it and don't need any further explanations on games. |
| Would this show be better if they tried to give the main character more of a personality or make Yumeko the main character? Yeah probably. I don't disagree with you actually I just don't think it's a big enough problem that it ruins the show or anything. If what I hear on this thread is true than he's not going to play a super prominent role any way so whatever. |
Lohuydahutt said: Would this show be better if they tried to give the main character more of a personality or make Yumeko the main character? Yeah probably. I don't disagree with you actually I just don't think it's a big enough problem that it ruins the show or anything. If what I hear on this thread is true than he's not going to play a super prominent role any way so whatever. Yumeko is the main character she is the protag of this series lol |
Gala_Lion said: Lohuydahutt said: Would this show be better if they tried to give the main character more of a personality or make Yumeko the main character? Yeah probably. I don't disagree with you actually I just don't think it's a big enough problem that it ruins the show or anything. If what I hear on this thread is true than he's not going to play a super prominent role any way so whatever. Yumeko is the main character she is the protag of this series lol but it's mostly from his perspective right? What I meant by making Yumeko the main character was like, making this guy not be a character at all and just have the entire show from her perspective. But yeah, fair point, I haven't read the manga (yet) so this is purely conjecture. |
| yes, I feel the same way Will most likely drop this show |
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Lohuydahutt said: but it's mostly from his perspective right? What I meant by making Yumeko the main character was like, making this guy not be a character at all and just have the entire show from her perspective. But yeah, fair point, I haven't read the manga (yet) so this is purely conjecture. He is like the commentary of lets see a live poker game or another game that needs commentary because you won't hear Yumeko's thoughts but will only know how she thinks and feels when she starts to talk. |
Anon1566 said: Lohuydahutt said: but it's mostly from his perspective right? What I meant by making Yumeko the main character was like, making this guy not be a character at all and just have the entire show from her perspective. But yeah, fair point, I haven't read the manga (yet) so this is purely conjecture. Ryouta Suzui holds 80% of point of view (POV) from show, besides having practically the whole perspective and internal monologues from show. Suzui is a well rounded character where we can see and hear a range of emotions and thoughts by means of internal monologues, which in turn makes him more realistic and relatable even if you don't like him. Yumeko is a cool and fun girl with a one track mind, in other words, without any internal monologues (you won't hear or see Yumeko's thoughts and emotions by means of internal monologues, you will only know how she thinks and feels when she starts to talk), with little perspective and POV from show too. She's canonically tsundere for Yumeko Mary is also a character with a one track mind, in other words, without internal monologues (you won't hear or see Mary's thoughts and emotions by means of internal monologues, you will only know how she thinks and feels when she starts to talk), with little perspective and POV from show too. *fixed* anon stop trowing your hate on Mary fanserive character? really dude we both must have read a different manga then. or else you would know her importance in the story. their is a reason she got her own spin off series besides her important role in the main series.if you would call one character from the series a fanservice one then it would be Midari. as the author only included in the latest arc because of the popularity she got. on another note to something you said I understand that you love Suizu and want him to be with one of the girls then the 2 girls with each other. but lets be real here besides that one early scene with was if you ask from embarrassment not any tsun or dere moment when Suzui is involved Mary only gets tsundere when Yumeko is flirting with her. and if you say she calls him baka well she calls everyone baka that doesn't do what she says so that's no special treatment to the guy. |
Gala_LionJun 30, 2017 3:19 PM
| As stated before, he's pretty much an observer who is barely featured at all. He's practically there to help the readers/viewers understand the rules, importance and the stakes of the game. Personally, him being a quiet commentator is a lot better than having an announcer doing play by play with a microphone/headset. Once that's established, he keeps to himself and makes small comments. Calling him "whiny", "annoying" or "screw up" is a bit unfair because you're just judging him by his description. That just means you automatically painted a picture in your head on who he is. The guy just keeps to himself and observes. He's kinda like a quiet cheerleader on the sidelines. Also... It's fine if you don't like him or that character type. I'm not here to convince you to like him. All I ask is to give this series (or any series) a chance without jumping to conclusions simply because you don't like someone. Especially if that certain person is not even a secondary protagonist. |
TehSnawnJul 1, 2017 12:35 AM
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| Tbh I am incredibly tired of emotional abuse being passed off as funny or justified as long as it's done by a female to a male character. That being said, I'm going to watch the show because it seems interesting and will see how this goes. |
| Jesus christ, this thread reminded me to keep off MAL threads. Absolute trash community lmao |
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| He exist to make yurifags butthurt. Delicious tears. |
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| Not sure if I should watch this anime or not I don't want to see the mc treated like trash by the girls... |
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| He's how mangaka sees the audience :3 |
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tragedydesu said: Not sure if I should watch this anime or not I don't want to see the mc treated like trash by the girls... Don't worry, Yumeko is the MC, not him. MortalMelancholy said: He's how mangaka sees the audience :3 If you mean Shitsurakuen then you must know that he is only doing art here, writer is different. Anyway, what's deal with Shitsurakuen? I heard there was some trolling at the end? |
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bastek66 said: tragedydesu said: Not sure if I should watch this anime or not I don't want to see the mc treated like trash by the girls... Don't worry, Yumeko is the MC, not him. MortalMelancholy said: He's how mangaka sees the audience :3 If you mean Shitsurakuen then you must know that he is only doing art here, writer is different. Anyway, what's deal with Shitsurakuen? I heard there was some trolling at the end? Oh right, I meant author. And I dunno, I haven't read much of the manga. |
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| Guys for the last time MC is not that guy. He is just there for some plot points. |
| He's kind of an annoying commentary character. Does he have any redeeming qualities? Curious. |
MortalMelancholyJul 1, 2017 5:57 PM
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| He came across as a simple observer character for the viewer. Also why are we blaming him for being normal in a setting where everyone else is batsh#t crazy? Which isn't really true because the class seemed to be full of "unfortunate" weak characters |
| Ehhh just another forgettable generic-looking male maggot to put up with. As long as his relevance will be minuscule to inexistent, i'll tolerate his presence...somehow. Ideas for character desing ran out or was it intentional? |
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4Dissinity said: Because from a real world standpoint, males are stronger than females so if you see a pathetic male, it's kinda off putting. This is also not an uncommon trope since most anime have a pathetic male so that people can self-insert and what's the problem with having 2 psychos, both mains, one male and one female? Seems better than having a repeat of Mirai Nikki where the female gets shit done and the male acts like a bitch I'm so sorry that every anime doesn't make a cool and completely brave dude. I swear, you guys make it sound like this is the sort of thing that is most common or pretty much only happens in anime when that is both exaggerating and untrue. Not to mention that the MC really isn't THAT whiny (compared to someone like Yukiteru especially), and he's pretty much one of the most normal or rational characters that does get focus. Most of the other characters that are pretty rational or normal are mostly side characters. It'd be a bit more boring if literally every character focused is a sociopath or psycho. Seriously. Red_Keys said: You know a show is instant garbage when you have trouble finding the fucking main character on the cover image. And this is just a stupid comment, as it clearly shows even on the covers who the main character/s and focus of the show is/are. LauraBirdie said: He came across as a simple observer character for the viewer. Also why are we blaming him for being normal in a setting where everyone else is batsh#t crazy? Which isn't really true because the class seemed to be full of "unfortunate" weak characters This is also true. They're just making it such a huge-ass deal since it happens to a major character that is male again, despite the fact that this happens a bunch of times to major or main female characters in various anime, too. |
harshtruthJul 2, 2017 1:55 PM
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NyronGTR said: Ehhh just another forgettable generic-looking male maggot to put up with. As long as his relevance will be minuscule to inexistent, i'll tolerate his presence...somehow. Ideas for character desing ran out or was it intentional? intentional. he is the character type that is representing us viewers in the series. he is a pov while Yumeko is the protag he is only a MC on paper. |
Gala_Lion said: NyronGTR said: Ehhh just another forgettable generic-looking male maggot to put up with. As long as his relevance will be minuscule to inexistent, i'll tolerate his presence...somehow. Ideas for character desing ran out or was it intentional? intentional. he is the character type that is representing us viewers in the series. he is a pov while Yumeko is the protag he is only a MC on paper. Good...Very good. |
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 Good golly. The MC is Yumeko, I haven't even read the manga and this much is obvious. The only reason anyone is upset by the male "MC" is because we're too used to it being a male MC surrounded by walking, female tropes. In this anime, it just so happens the females are the MCs and he's the side character *shrug* I don't see the issue, unless it's simply not your thing, in which case no need to watch the show lol. |
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drgy55 said: Good golly. The MC is Yumeko, I haven't even read the manga and this much is obvious. The only reason anyone is upset by the male "MC" is because we're too used to it being a male MC surrounded by walking, female tropes. In this anime, it just so happens the females are the MCs and he's the side character *shrug* I don't see the issue, unless it's simply not your thing, in which case no need to watch the show lol. XDD I love that gif. Nice. But yeah, I agree. Yumeko's the main character (sure, you can say that Suzui is A main character, but Yumeko's the one with the most focus and spotlight out of all, so it's her as the real one, if that makes sense) and it's really not that big of a deal to have someone like Suzui as a major focus. Even though this is a common trope, I'm fine with this compared to a bunch of other common shonen tropes, tbh. I suppose it does make it look "harem-like" to them if what you said is true, drgy55, but if that's the case, then they are sorely mistaken. This series is not a harem at all and is nowhere near it. |
AmyTwoJul 3, 2017 2:04 AM
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| Yes he's a coward but he's not a normal coward. Please give this anime until Suzui/Yumeko teams up episode and you will be surprise by him. |
AmyTwo said: drgy55 said: Good golly. The MC is Yumeko, I haven't even read the manga and this much is obvious. The only reason anyone is upset by the male "MC" is because we're too used to it being a male MC surrounded by walking, female tropes. In this anime, it just so happens the females are the MCs and he's the side character *shrug* I don't see the issue, unless it's simply not your thing, in which case no need to watch the show lol. XDD I love that gif. Nice. But yeah, I agree. Yumeko's the main character (sure, you can say that Suzui is A main character, but Yumeko's the one with the most focus and spotlight out of all, so it's her as the real one, if that makes sense) and it's really not that big of a deal to have someone like Suzui as a major focus. Even though this is a common trope, I'm fine with this compared to a bunch of other common shonen tropes, tbh. I suppose it does make it look "harem-like" to them if what you said is true, drgy55, but if that's the case, then they are sorely mistaken. This series is not a harem at all and is nowhere near it. What can I say, Monogatari is very gif-able. Whether you're a fan or not, you can't deny there's a GIF for every situation in that show xD I'll admit it might seem "harem-like" from the POV of Suzui as the MC; I certainly wasn't attempting to blame anyone for thinking so. But it does seem quite obvious from the way it was presented that the main focus will be on Yumeko and her rival (i.e. shounen stereotype "rival") Saotome. I expect Suzui will end up playing a major role as Yumeko's assistant and they will likely benefit each other in a lot of ways, but I don't see it being a harem situation (apart from maybe Yumeko having a harem full of both guys and gals lol). |
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harshtruth said: 4Dissinity said: Because from a real world standpoint, males are stronger than females so if you see a pathetic male, it's kinda off putting. This is also not an uncommon trope since most anime have a pathetic male so that people can self-insert and what's the problem with having 2 psychos, both mains, one male and one female? Seems better than having a repeat of Mirai Nikki where the female gets shit done and the male acts like a bitch I'm so sorry that every anime doesn't make a cool and completely brave dude. I swear, you guys make it sound like this is the sort of thing that is most common or pretty much only happens in anime when that is both exaggerating and untrue. Not to mention that the MC really isn't THAT whiny (compared to someone like Yukiteru especially), and he's pretty much one of the most normal or rational characters that does get focus. Most of the other characters that are pretty rational or normal are mostly side characters. It'd be a bit more boring if literally every character focused is a sociopath or psycho. Seriously. And this is just a stupid comment, as it clearly shows even on the covers who the main character/s and focus of the show is/are. This is also true. They're just making it such a huge-ass deal since it happens to a major character that is male again, despite the fact that this happens a bunch of times to major or main female characters in various anime, too. I don't mean to derail this thread but that statement in itself is kind of off-putting to me. This ISN'T a real world scenario, it's a setting in which people who are batsh#t crazy gamble with each other. Obviously, in such a setting, there are the strong and there are the weak. The dude is one of the weakest, but considering his small observer role, it's not a big deal, and certainly not a reason to drop it. If you're watching, or NOT watching this because of him, you're doing something wrong, because this is about the girls. |
| I'm at a loss here. What's so pathetic or bad about him ? He lost and has to abide by the consequences cause he has nothing to pay . People lose everyday in gambling and deal probably with much worse consequences that can lead to death lol. Am I missing something here people ? Also you'll need the pov of someone who explains cause not everyone is a gambler or is acquainted with the practice. I for one know nothing cause I never thought of practicing it especially that it's a sinful act which this anime greatly shows why it is sinful as it is a self indulgent act that brings out our lusts, greed, desires, and compelling madness and more importantly harms us like what happened to the man when he lost at the beginning, but that topic I'll leave for another thread. |
Shishou_23Jul 3, 2017 3:11 PM
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 This story won't work if you tell it from the perspective of Jabami or any of the other crazy girls. In fact, the crazyness feels less crazy if you only have crazy people. His normality, sense of duty, and sense of pressure are a REALLY important grounding stone that makes you feel the pressure of the gambles and make you understand more of the world the author builds. Red_Keys said: You know a show is instant garbage when you have trouble finding the fucking main character on the cover image. He's not the main character idiot. Why do you even think that? Because he's male and the first character who speaks? The story's not even told completely through his perspective since you didn't know he was the one giving out the orders till the end of the freakin episode. Jabami is literally on the cover of the first volume. @b1051211 nikey__k said: Jesus christ, this thread reminded me to keep off MAL threads. Absolute trash community lmao Too many stupid people. |
nikey__k said: Jesus christ, this thread reminded me to keep off MAL threads. Absolute trash community lmao Right? Lol. I swear, these people reach heights of autism I previously thought impossible. And they never stop one-upping themselves in what mentally deficient things they'll say. It's easy to see why the community gets a bad rap (and their toxicity spills over into the general anime community, which also isn't good). |
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