Seikaisuru Kado Episode 11 Discussion

ARubinsky said:
So, they decided to go to a shounen route and create the weapon. The preview is even worse.

What the hell is wrong with Toei?!

It is like watching 2001 a Space Odyssey and then, in the middle of the movie, they decided to ask Michael Bay to place some transformers battling each other.

Tokoya said:
You must be on drugs if you're seriously comparing this to Transformers....The man made it perfectly clear that instead of having some final battle where they go guns blazing, he's gonna instead stay true to his character and negotiate with this guy

ARubinsky said:


Did you see the preview?

ichii_1 said:
Lmao all these salty fake intellectuals dissing the show for a kiss and antifregonics tech XD
zaShunina killing all the fake shindos, he really misses the real one :'(

Diosa11 said:
They're really going down the shounen battle route. Didn't wanna believe it at first. But the preview and the ugly sailor moon armor confirmed it. After the forced romance, now this? This was such a refreshing anime. Guess that dream was nice while it lasted.

Anyway the author seems to have this bad habit of oversimplifying things. A randomly created supermetal + a random girl scientist equals the virtually perfect copy of a 40D technology? And they did it in one try? In a few days? Give me a break.

The same goes for the relationship in this show. How does 1 scene of Hanamori and Tsukai talking about their feelings equal them being close friends? How does 1 boat ride make it ok for Tsukai and Shindo to become an item?

Author can't even call lack of screen time to his defense. The 1 relationship they spent time building throughout the show that actually wouldn't feel fake or forced was turned into a twisted one-sided tragic love story. Bad writing is bad writing.

Tokoya said:
Irrelevant.....There was always a chance that there would be a battle but the fact of the matter is that the series is still staying true to itself by keeping the art od negotiating relevant even now

You forgot to include tryhard as well....It's really annoying how some people think that just because something has cliches, it's automatically bad

Luthandorius said:


I guess: The researcher girl will offer herself voluntarily - so he wouldn't need to try with others - leading to an agreement in the end. (And of course it will work with her.)

TheDoggoneGirl07 said:
Whoo. About time to drop this show. Jesus. Disappointing. This show had potential, but no they went downhill because of the unnecessary romance between Saraka and Shindo. Lmfao. So done with this show.

ARubinsky said:
So, they decided to go to a shounen route and create the weapon. The preview is even worse.

What the hell is wrong with Toei?!

It is like watching 2001 a Space Odyssey and then, in the middle of the movie, they decided to ask Michael Bay to place some transformers battling each other.

TheDoggoneGirl07 said:
Whoo. About time to drop this show. Jesus. Disappointing. This show had potential, but no they went downhill because of the unnecessary romance between Saraka and Shindo. This is like "Kate and Javi forced romance" from The Walking Dead Game. Lmfao. So done with this show!

TheDoggoneGirl07 said:
Whoo. About time to drop this show. Jesus. Disappointing. This show had potential, but no they went downhill because of the unnecessary romance between Saraka and Shindo. This is like "Kate and Javi forced romance" from The Walking Dead Game. Lmfao. So done with this show!

DatRandomDude said:


Theres just 1 episode left tho, its not really worth dropping at this point .-.

Ysad_Ziwezhan said:



Look at it on the bright side! It became so bad it's funny. I laughed at the kiss between Saraka and Shindo, so much cheeeeeese that you can't take it seriously and they even managed to create in one episode a super power suit for Shindo!

Seriously, this became a faboulous comedy. I can't wait for the laugh next week! Bring it on!

Tokoya said:
How does their romance even remotely take this show downhill....Please enlighten me as to how it harms the story or these two characters in any way

Because as far as I know, Saraka is still against what Yaha is doing/staying true to get character and Shindo is still trying to play negotiator and find common ground between both parties

SongstressSL said:
Am I the only one who wants Saraka to drop dead and stop opposing the advancement of humanity? I don't personally mind going to the anisotropic if I were a character in this show. I'd be thrilled about the idea, in fact.

Nevermind that I found the romance to be...annoying.

Hiina said:


Hi. I'm gonna butt in on your conversation and enlighten you.

Seeing as your forum picture is Tanya Degurechaff, try to see it like this. You start off with this cute little girl with the mind of a mature and coldhearted man, murdering soldiers left and right so she can win the war and live a peaceful life. Then all of the sudden she takes a romantic interest in some male soldier from her team and the entire show is now only about that, with the war in the background. Would you have liked that? Would you have liked the romance?

People start watching a show because it seems interesting to them. Seikaisuru Kado appealed to many, because it was refereshing and original. Because finally we would get to see a show where a well-meaning alien appears who just wants to communicate with humanity and help them evolve, instead of some villainy alien sending a legion of ugly-ass creatures to brutally wipe out everything on earth. This show started off with its own Tanya Degurechaff, only to have her fall in love with some slightly-more-important-than-most-people-dude. It's only natural for that kind of shit to meet negative reactions.

Romance was unnecessary and destroyed the refreshing plot we all watched it for.



And now, my forever opinion on Saraka:
SHE SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CREATED

Give me back my show. Give me back harmonious relations between humanity and the anisotropic. Give me a happy Yaha-kui zaShunina because he just needs a damn friend. Her conservative way of thinking will help kill her beloved earth, and Shindo as well. Honestly if some alien showed itself and revealed they are basically God and gave us life, and now they want to protect us because we are its favorite species, we should fucking jump on that. Yes, more than a few people will die, but it's about survival of the species. If we dive into the anisotropic headfirst with the backing of God themselves, humanity would be able to evolve like never before. Like we hadn't lost the Library of Alexandria at all! We could enjoy so much we now only dream of: space travel, communicate with animals, build incredibly complex architectual structures that will last forever, and more, on top of what that God had already given us (unlimited energy etc).

But this bitch came in and said ''No, not everyone wants change'' even though there are people who do want that and then brainwashed Shindo with her tits. At this point the show is just very badly written. Fuck that. I'm watching the last episode because I want to see how it ends but I hate Saraka and there's no way that will change.

SongstressSL said:
Am I the only one who wants Saraka to drop dead and stop opposing the advancement of humanity? I don't personally mind going to the anisotropic if I were a character in this show. I'd be thrilled about the idea, in fact.

Nevermind that I found the romance to be...annoying.

SongstressSL said:
Am I the only one who wants Saraka to drop dead and stop opposing the advancement of humanity? I don't personally mind going to the anisotropic if I were a character in this show. I'd be thrilled about the idea, in fact.

Nevermind that I found the romance to be...annoying.

mnedel said:
Yes, this show is going downhill fast. Many people feel cheated because it looked like this is going to be a serious sci-fi show that poses interesting question about humanity and now all that went out of the window. All for the sake of tacking on some anime tropes in the last second. There was no development of Saraka’s and Shindo’s relationship. It came out of nowhere and Saraka is basically a 20 billion year old goddess but they have her behaving like a standard teenage love interest.

As for Saraka’s arguments, first no one person has the right to decide this for the whole human race least of all Saraka who is not even human.
Secondly, Saraka claims that human society and culture will change and be destroyed by this. Um, there are thousands of cultures, languages and many different types of societies on Earth today and most of them are changing or are in decline. Culture is not a static thing. It morphs continuously now more than ever thanks to technology. Many of the greatest Sci-fi works deal with how society will change in the future due to technological advancements like AI, human mind going digital, complete control of genetics, space colonization and so on. She is right that zaShunina is pushing things too fast but that’s it.

Then about the possibility that the transformation to the Anisotropic will break us. First, this is her assumption, it’s not definite. Second, all zaShunina needs to do is treat this the same way as his previous gifts and it would be fine. Just say it has a high chance of failure but if it’s successful you will become an immortal god like being. There will be plenty of volunteers. Saraka looks on this from a view point of a young, healthy person living in a rich, stable, technologically advanced country. There are hundreds of millions of people not living like this. There are people who are starving to death, who are slaves, who are trapped in war zones, people who are in pain and slowly but certainly dying from diseases like cancer, people who are paralyzed or severely handicapped or just old people who are nearing the end of their life. If a person is already dying or his/her every waking moment is filled with pain why wouldn’t he/she want to try to become essentially a god. There is nothing to lose. Saraka has no right to take this choice away from people but it does need to be a choice. zaShunina also shouldn’t just do this to people without their consent.

Also, Saraka talks about human dignity but completely forgets about dark side of humanity. Things like wars, exploitation, racism, sexism, extremism, terrorism and so on. And we are well on our way to destroying the planet with pollution and exploitation although wam will definitely help with this. Who says we don’t need some alien intervention.
This is still an ok show but it could have been so much better.
Uh, sorry for the wall of text.

Grim19521 said:


Me too, zaShunina has been turned into an antagonist just because. The only thing he's done wrong is try to kill Shindo, which had no real reason to happen, and anyways, the only reason Shindo was doubting is because Saraka fed him bullshit.
And now she's like "but he wants to destroy humanity!!" No that's not what he wants, he wants to evolve humanity.

Tokoya said:



Complete and utter assimilation of an entire race into a foreign entity is not advancing humanity nor is it even remotely beneficial or ethical since to begin with, they don't even have a choice in the matter and are losing what makes us human

You people are literally rooting for the human race to become invincible robots with no soul lol you guys cannot be serious? xD This whole series at its core is about negotiations and now that there is someone who is literally playing god and removing free will, that's just okay? Wut

Yes humanity wanted his gifts, but Yaha said fuck your souls/conscience and wanted something worse......I was on his team wholeheartedly until Yaha gave Shindo a reason to take her side by doing all this

Tokoya said:
First of all, your analogy of using Youjo Senki failed before it even began not only because something like that would be incredibly illogical, but because this series and Kado are two completely different things entirely so there is no hypothetical comparison to be had here...And the fact that you compared Tanya to Shindo is just hilarious as best considering that Tanya is a narcissistic, sadistic, cruel and most of all SAVAGE individual whose only concern at the end of the day is her own well being and to get revenge on the even more savage Being X, whereas Shindo is the complete opposite of her with their only real similarity being that they're both very intelligent and strategic

I don't want to say that comments like this makes you out to be brain dead, but be that is it may, I'll just destroy your and anyone else's argument before this goes even further because I don't have the time to entertain this type of mindset today

As for a proper comparison, I can't point you in the direction towards anything that's more perfect than one of the best films of 2016 in Arrival which is pretty similar to this series plot wise (That is, extra terrestrials coming to our planet in order to help humanity but at the same time learn more about us to determine how to proceed etc etc all of which was done via the use of two persons who've never met before - a man and a woman who acted as a medium between them and humanity/the nations of the world)

I would spoil the entire movie but all I'm gonna say is to watch that film because that did the exact same thing "romance" wise (If you even want to call it a romance because essentially it's barely prevalent or influential enough to even warrant either series a romance tag) that this anime is doing

What changed this series were the flashy battle portions and that in no way whatsoever was due to the "romance" between Shindo and Saraka

SongstressSL said:
If we became "invincible robots with no soul", a lot of problems would get solved, especially for those living in places on this planet where people are so desperate to make a living that they don't have the luxury to think about ethics. Just saying...

"wanted something worse" - this lost me. I never thought of his goals as worse. I always felt Saraka's stance fits this quote though. There are clearly people who want what alien-kun was offering. Saraka's stance disregards their free choices as well since she wants alien-kun to go back home and stop giving nice things to humans, even if some of those humans want the option to be able to get what he has to offer.

Now, I interpreted alien-kun's intentions as "We like what grew in our cocoon. Come out of the cocoon now and become fellow gods (or demigod) outside the cocoon". Choosing between being a god or a human in the gods' cocoon cage isn't a hard one for me to make. Really.

Hiina said:


Yes, that's the word. Illogical.

I'm aware that the two series are vastly different. I just went with Youjo Senki because Tanya is your forum picture and as such I could pretty safely assume you know the story, but I could've used any show as an example. So just take any random anime with a decent amount of plot you at least kind of like, doesn't matter which, and then imagine one of the main characters suddenly lovingly kissing someone they didn't have any romantic feelings towards and then them being an item. Even if it is after being saved by that person. My point is that when watching a show you yourself picked out to watch it's normal to have certain expectations from it, and that in this particular case it went in the complete opposite direction for 99% of the fandom. And that doesn't have to be a bad thing, it could be a sign of good story writing. Of course a show can change its story over time, shift its focus unto different characters and their relationships, and/or have amazing plot twists no one could foresee. Like Saraka also being an anisotropic being. I thought that was a very nice addition. The sudden forced romance with absolutely no solid footing however, is something that is 1) unnecessary in these type of shows and 2) certainly not more important than the main story. Saraka and Shindo got more screentime than zaShunina this episode in favor of their kiss and apparent ''romantic relationship''. It distracts from the main plot which we had certain expectations for. Disagreeing with my ''type of mindset'' is okay, but calling me braindead for it is honestly just a sign you lack basic respect for the person you disagree with.

Also you can't say the flashy battle portions changed the series because they haven't been aired yet. A preview is in the end just a preview, and anything you see in one could be framed in a certain way to get your thoughts going, even though that same scene can have a very different setting later on in that actual episode.

Neither of us is right nor braindead.
I simply hate forced romances, and especially in Seikaisuru Kado. Which is probably intensified since I already didn't like Saraka that much.

SongstressSL said:


I know right! I mean, if they kindly refrained from making Saraka the romantic female lead and forcing her illogical opinions on Shindo (I fail to see her point that episode altogether), we could see a much more interesting story. Sure, you might want to slow down and adjust between changes, but Shindo had no inherent opposition to the change initially and didn't show any until his "date" with Saraka. Her entire point also seems to be that of a conservative - "Change is bad! Change is scary! Deviating from traditional ways is bad!"

While I have no qualms with the idea that those in the anime's universe who hold this view should be represented, I feel having that be the main character's love interest is just...poor representation. Have them form a political faction or something would work so much better.



If we became "invincible robots with no soul", a lot of problems would get solved, especially for those living in places on this planet where people are so desperate to make a living that they don't have the luxury to think about ethics. Just saying...

"wanted something worse" - this lost me. I never thought of his goals as worse. I always felt Saraka's stance fits this quote though. There are clearly people who want what alien-kun was offering. Saraka's stance disregards their free choices as well since she wants alien-kun to go back home and stop giving nice things to humans, even if some of those humans want the option to be able to get what he has to offer.

Now, I interpreted alien-kun's intentions as "We like what grew in our cocoon. Come out of the cocoon now and become fellow gods (or demigod) outside the cocoon". Choosing between being a god or a human in the gods' cocoon cage isn't a hard one for me to make. Really.

Tokoya said:
What I'm trying to get at here is that the romance isn't forced solely because these two have had sufficent screentime together in addition to having a lot of things in common such as being in the same profession. And most of all, they're adults, not teenagers, so all of that stuff that we're used to in pretty much every romance anime nowadays (Besides Scums Wish which was a more realistic/modern take on things) wouldn't play out the same in this series.....Like I said before, Arrival showcased this exact same thing, love isn't something that can be calculated, it just happens in ways we don't expect it to

Hiina said:


Out of nowhere? They both are indeed in the same profession, but they're very different people who just happened to work together on this case. Love isn't calculated, in the real world you're right, except in a fictional world love can be calculated and fabricated. It doesn't matter if they're teenagers or adults, this romance was made last-minute and is very low level, yet it's made out to be everything. It is in fact a forced romance because the audience was not prepared for romance at all. If you like it, fine, you do you. Just don't degrade and downplay the people who don't like it when a romance is shoved into their faces

Also threads get illegible fast when you quote in quote

Tokoya said:
What I'm trying to get at here is that the romance isn't forced solely because these two have had sufficent screentime together in addition to having a lot of things in common such as being in the same profession. And most of all, they're adults, not teenagers, so all of that stuff that we're used to in pretty much every romance anime nowadays (Besides Scums Wish which was a more realistic/modern take on things) wouldn't play out the same in this series.....Like I said before, Arrival showcased this exact same thing, love isn't something that can be calculated, it just happens in ways we don't expect it to

Your first paragraph alone made me facepalm.....I can't deal with this shit lol...His CURRENT goal is what I'm talking about

mnedel said:
Yes, this show is going downhill fast. Many people feel cheated because it looked like this is going to be a serious sci-fi show that poses interesting question about humanity and now all that went out of the window. All for the sake of tacking on some anime tropes in the last second. There was no development of Saraka’s and Shindo’s relationship. It came out of nowhere and Saraka is basically a 20 billion year old goddess but they have her behaving like a standard teenage love interest.

Tokoya said:
Don't come with that "this is a fictional world" nonsense. This is one of the most realistic series this season in terms of how the world works and how people would react to the situations presented in this series.....The audience wouldn't be prepared because THIS IS NOT A ROMANCE SERIES, but be that as it may, from the audience's perspective, something like this doesn't stop the audience from shipping characters .....Standard mediums with or without romance undertones are exactly like this

Tokoya said:
^And this is why the future generation of our world is looking pretty fucking bleak

Hiina said:


Why, you're right this isn't a romance series! Then don't force it on the audience!

This series wasthe most realistic until they let two people have a conversation on a boat and then made them an item. I will start that "fictional world nonsense" because the creators had every opportunity to made their relationship feel realistic. For example, if Saraka's ring had bound Shindo's memories of them having loved each other, for she as a god musn't fall in love with a human, but when it broke his memories returned. Or the usual childhood friends to lovers trope. Anything would've been better than BOOM now they're in love. I'm not necessarily against their relationship, I'm against a serious series that hit all the boxes and is very realistic suddenly not explaining things anymore, just bam they're in love deal with it. If you're gonna pull the realistic card how does agreeing to talk to Yaha-kui add up to a romance. It just doesn't make sense.