Being up to date with the SnK manga, I enjoy seeing anime only watchers come up with the right theories but I noticed how manga readers seem to be pestering them for missing small details and not understanding everything at the first watch. So, i decided to compile all of those details and explain some things using only info seen on the anime. This means it will be 100% manga spoiler free. Most of the info is taken from episode 35: "Children".
Facts:
Episode commercial break info (Ymir hometown is most certainly outside the walls);
"Modern" guns and uniforms 60 years ago;
Injection sound before criminals/cultists being thrown and transforming into mindless titans;
Erens father injection flashback (ep 9) and amazing medicinal skills (ep 1);
Ymir saying she wandered outside the walls for 60 years as a mindless titan;
Marcel being part of the Reiner, Annie, Bertholdt team;
Ymir turning back after eating Marcel.
Explanation:
Based on the commercial break info, lets assume Ymir was part of a civilization outside the walls. She was chosen as a kid to be "Ymir". It went wrong and after a couple of years they were found out and some guards busted the place. Notice how the guards had very neat uniforms and their weapons were as advanced or even more advanced 60 years ago than the ones currently used inside the walls. We can also assume that the civilization in question is decades ahead of the civilization inside the walls in terms of technology.
Now, to the location of the criminal/cultist drop. There is no indication that they are being thrown from Wall Maria. That civilization might have their own walls or their own whatever separating them from the mindless titan region. Notice the injection sound before the criminals are kicked off? That turns them into mindless titans and the fact that titans are just injected humans is backed by what happened at Connies village. The only way it would have happened is if they were transformed on the spot.
Now, back in the first season we see flashbacks of Erens father trying to inject him with something, so lets assume this is the titan serum. Erens father also once saved the entire Shiganshina District from an infection displaying amazing medicine skills as stated by Hannes in the first episode. How did Erens father have the titan injection and how did he know so much about medicine? Is he from that advanced civilization and was he cast out like Ymir? Maybe, you will have to wait to find out.
Alright, back to Ymir, she wandered around for 60 years as a mindless titan and then turned back after eating Marcel. Why? If all it takes is eating a human for a mindless titan to turn back into a human how hasn't it been noticed yet? Very easy. This piece of info is passing by very unnoticed. Ymir turned back human (and into a shifter) after eating Marcel because Marcel wasn't a normal human. If he was with Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie, that must mean, that just like them, he was a shifter too.
And there you have the basis on how titans work: normal humans become mindless titans after getting injected with a serum and then turn into shifters if they eat another shifter.
Now, if that more advanced civilization has control over the titan serum, they might be able to make shifters at will by turning their young warriors into mindless titans in a controled environment and feeding them allied elder shifters who are not fit anymore or captured enemy shifters. If this is true, then Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie and Marcel might be warriors of the same civilization that sentenced Ymir, and they came to the Walls in search of the Coordinate. What is the Coordinate, is it someone? Something? Some place? Some power? I guess you will have to wait a bit to find out since nothing in the anime confirmed what it is yet.
And finally, if Eren is a shifter, that means he was injected with the serum (by his father, as seen on flashbacks) and became a mindless titan. But who did he eat in order to become a human again and get the shifter powers? Mysteries everywhere.
So, based on everything we have seen until now in the anime, this is what we have learned so far if we pick up on all the details:
There is another, more advanced civilization that is able to transform people into titans via serum. They sentence criminals and cultists by transforming them into mindless titans and sending them to the mindless titan region;
Cultists from that civilization seem to worship a deity named Ymir (thats how our Ymir got her name) and a royal bloodline;
Ymir is from that civilization, Reiner, Bertholdt, Annie, Marcel and Erens father might be too;
For a mindless titan to become a human again it must eat a shifter (thus inheriting the shifter powers).
As a fellow SnK fan, I tried my best to make it easier for anime only watchers to understand more of what's going on, so if you still have any questions regarding anything that I said, feel free to ask away and I will try to clear your doubts without spoiling anything from the manga.
Omg, as an anime only watcher, this helped soooo much! Thank you! I only have one question left: so was the first titan made by humans and their injections? Or do they have some kind of other origin and people only advanced to making titans hence the titan shifters?
Starrynight_x said: Omg, as an anime only watcher, this helped soooo much! Thank you! I only have one question left: so was the first titan made by humans and their injections? Or do they have some kind of other origin and people only advanced to making titans hence the titan shifters?
The origin of the titans is something that has been explained in the manga, but we are still far from that explanation in the anime. I would recommend either to read the manga or to wait for the anime to reach that point to find out. If you still want to know ayway, I will put it here in a spoiler box:
I knew you would be tempted click this. Are you sure you want to continue?
Reeeeally sure?
Ok, short story, Titans came when, a long time ago, a girl named Ymir made a "pact with the Devil" granting her Titan powers.
Long story, and spoilerfull one:
The first Titan came to life a long time ago when a girl by the name of Ymir made a "pact with the Devil" and recieved the titan power. As result, aside from becoming a shifter herself, she could also transform people into mindless titans and control them. After 13 years she died and her power was divided by 9 people. These became the 9 titan powers that exist in modern time and were passed down from shifter to shifter. In the anime we have sen 6 of these 9 titans. Eren with the Attacking Titan (which translates to Shingeki no Kyojin, the more you know... :D) , Reiner with the Armored Titan, Bertholdt with the Colossal Titan, Annie with the Crystal Titan, Ymir with the Dancing Titan (has another name in the manga but lets keep it at this) and an unidentified shifter with the Beast/Ape Titan. Due to a mixing of a titan line (a shifter eating another shifter) the Attacking Titan line has been merged with the Founding Titan line (Coordinate) which has the power to control all mindless titans if the shifter is a direct descendant from the "godess" Ymir. So Eren has 2 titan powers in him and he can activate the Coordinate if he touches someone who has royal blood. Historia/Christa is a direct descendant of Ymir, so she has royal blood and thats why Reiner and Bertholdt want to take her away. Also, the titan serum that turns normal people into mindless titans is a mixture made with titan shifter spinal fluid.
Sorry but would a anime only watcher deduce that Ymir's Past took place in another place? It has walls, same as the city we know of. Those weapons or uniform don't seem very highly advanced to me, they have big ass canons which don't do much good against Titans, so why would they bother with some rifles like the police forces in Ymir's flashback?
The only other hint, which I know of could be the very futuristic looking print on the food which Ymir finds in Utgarde and seems able to read, much to Reinhards surprise.
This all seems very weak and just shows how manga readers think the anime is giving out to much info, and that people could figure out so much stuff, when in reality you are just spoiled by reading the manga and unable to seperate that knowledge from just watching the anime.
samurro said: Sorry but would a anime only watcher deduce that Ymir's Past took place in another place? It has walls, same as the city we know of. Those weapons or uniform don't seem very highly advanced to me, they have big ass canons which don't do much good against Titans, so why would they bother with some rifles like the police forces in Ymir's flashback?
The only other hint, which I know of could be the very futuristic looking print on the food which Ymir finds in Utgarde and seems able to read, much to Reinhards surprise.
This all seems very weak and just shows how manga readers think the anime is giving out to much info, and that people could figure out so much stuff, when in reality you are just spoiled by reading the manga and unable to seperate that knowledge from just watching the anime.
yes you are right. the uniform they showed was from 60 years ago, it could have been diferent, or since they all worship the walls inside the walls, the fact there are some heretics worshiping ymir, those guards could be the equivalent to the inquisition explaining why the uniforms were different.
The episode didnt gave any information about the place the only thing that gave was the eyecatch in the middle of episode for commercial break, thats the only thing that gave away, but the people that watch the anime are in just for the action that they probably didnt even care to read the eyecatch, how do I know this? Well if you really are interested in the story you would read the manga.
Its manga readers who are spoiling everything.
Thanks for the summary. while I apparently didn't miss any kind of important information I wasn't sure since it was a lot to process all at once. Didn't notice the injection sound though, I thought they got stabbed or something ^^
samurro said: Sorry but would a anime only watcher deduce that Ymir's Past took place in another place? It has walls, same as the city we know of. Those weapons or uniform don't seem very highly advanced to me, they have big ass canons which don't do much good against Titans, so why would they bother with some rifles like the police forces in Ymir's flashback?
The only other hint, which I know of could be the very futuristic looking print on the food which Ymir finds in Utgarde and seems able to read, much to Reinhards surprise.
This all seems very weak and just shows how manga readers think the anime is giving out to much info, and that people could figure out so much stuff, when in reality you are just spoiled by reading the manga and unable to seperate that knowledge from just watching the anime.
Anime watchers can deduce that Ymir lives outside the walls because the commercial break implies so. Regarding the technological advance of the guards it is noticeable that they had more advanced guns (compere them to the ones used by the 104th whenthey blind the titans in episode 8 of the first season. And any civilization would use anti-human normal weapons like their rifles, so nothing strange about them.
And as I tried to say, I dont want to give an impression of "ah, i read the manga, I know everything already". I want to help out people who didnt notice all the small details instead of pestering them for not noticing.
@Vigliucci Thanks for clarifying this for anime-onlies, especially since probably 60 % of them didn't read the eyecatch. BTW, Grisha's injection was shown in episode 9, not 10.
Metal_Ice786 said: @Vigliucci Thanks for clarifying this for anime-onlies, especially since probably 60 % of them didn't read the eyecatch. BTW, Grisha's injection was shown in episode 9, not 10.
Im guessing the eyecatch might not be subbed in some releases so a big bunch of people dont even have the chance to read it? Idk. Nice observation, I've corrected it!
I inferred that Ymir comes from another civilization for the fact she can read those foreign caracters on those fish cans before that panel during commercial break.
And also the presence of those fish cans in the outpost made me think about commercial commercial exchanges between the two civilizations.
Clefairiess said: The people who injected Ymir. Were they the criminals or the police from that civilisation?
Very nice and informative thread, thanks!
Taking into consideration that Ymir and the other cultists were displayed on the streets its safe to say that they were captured by the law for worshiping a forbidden diety, so the ones who captured them and turned them into titans were soliders/guards/officials from that civilization.
Clefairiess said: Does the ending song hints anything from the plot?
Yes, it does, but without reading the manga you wont figure what it is about until the anime reaches that point, so no worries about getting spoiled.
Its about some events that happened centuries ago. Read the spoiler tag in my first reply to find out what it is, but only if you really want to, because it will spoil most of the plot.
So most of the shifters are people who got transformed by a serum (mindless titans) who ate shifters, then we need to criteria for an original shifter since there would be no shifters at all without them
Or is it a certain bloodline perhaps? The word bloodline has been mentioned many times in S2 who knows
Metal_Ice786 said: @Vigliucci Thanks for clarifying this for anime-onlies, especially since probably 60 % of them didn't read the eyecatch. BTW, Grisha's injection was shown in episode 9, not 10.
Im guessing the eyecatch might not be subbed in some releases so a big bunch of people dont even have the chance to read it? Idk. Nice observation, I've corrected it!
They just don't read it because you can't read that much text in 5 seconds unless you pause. So most people just skip it instead. Besides, there are barely any other releases. Crunchyroll and Funimation are using the same subtitles, and those subtitles are on all streaming websites like KissAnime or GogoAnime.
If a titan needs to eat a shifter to become a shifter himself, then the number of shifters is a best constant, and at worse decreasing (if they were to get killed).
That seems strange!
And also it's an issue with the first(s) shifter(s), as there was no one to eat... unless they evolved differently.
geearf said: I have a concern with the Titan hypothesis:
If a titan needs to eat a shifter to become a shifter himself, then the number of shifters is a best constant, and at worse decreasing (if they were to get killed).
That seems strange!
And also it's an issue with the first(s) shifter(s), as there was no one to eat... unless they evolved differently.
Those are valid concerns, but they are still misteries in the anime. They have been revealed in the manga, so if you are just too curious, take a peek on the box below (I answered the cocerns in the most non spoilery way possible, so you will only know if what you said is true or not, and you wont get spoiled on the reasons for it):
First, the number of shifters is constant (we already know how many there are in the manga) unless a shifter eats another shifter, because then that single person will have the two shifter powers. Example, if Bertholdt ate Reiner we would have an Armored Colossal. Second, if a shifter dies without being eaten, the shifter power goes to another random person (its actualy more complex but i dont want to spoil too much). And as for the issue of the first shifter(s) i would recommend reading what i wrote in the spoiler box in my first reply in this thread, but mind you, you will get REEEEEALLY spoiled and is something of major importance to the story, so read it at your own peril.