FUNimation Targets ‘Pirate’ Streaming Site KissAnime

JustALEX said:
Shut up about what you think we want and actually take the time to research what it is that fans want!

Kuromii said:

.si has many of the same staff working on it as the original did. I'm not sure how that makes it a bad copy. Pantsu though, yes.

Wisesa_Syauqi said:
what happens if kissanimee really got shutdown?

CzeroC said:
Looks like a storm is coming. After the torrent, now the stream. What's next i wonder.

CzeroC said:
Looks like a storm is coming. After the torrent, now the stream. What's next i wonder.

cHowaito said:
I can't imagine that every torrenting/streaming site can go down but if it by any chance actually happens I'll be in deep shit. I don't wanna get addicted to video games, anime is a way better way to waste spend my time.

Xaelath said:
Torrenting seems dead lately, it was a thing past few years, i barely find a website that introduce Anime torrenting.

If Streams actually targeted means they'll also Target FanSubbing (it was mentioned not long ago) and Websites that also offers anime Downloading.

CzeroC said:


You don't have to be that worried, what i said was mere obligatory, i already knew that pirating is never ever going to cease to exist, as long as there is Internet lol. On a side note, i agree that anime is a better way to spend/waste time than game.

Xaelath said:
But Why?

Anime - You spend time watching and supporting the studios via subscribing/purchasing physical/digital stuff.

Video Games - Pretty much playing, 1 times purchase (unless you're playing F2P which currently in a bad state) and shows support by purchasing the retail/digital.

Addicted to video games likely to happen if the person play online multiplayer, rarely occured to single player game.

space-bear said:
Literally I buy dvds after I watch and enjoy a show on streaming websites. Same with music! Companies should understand that sort of thing by now.

cHowaito said:


Did you use Nyaa frequently before? Do you use the new nyaa sites now?
You mention the same staff but that doesn't mean they're going down the same path as before. Perhaps they can't, the difference is nonetheless quite obvious.

HapHazrD said:

Yeah, but they're streaming platforms, they don't create content. So they don't give a damn if you buy BDs or DVDs or merch, since they don't get anything from it. They're as much leeching from animation studios as illegal streaming sites, except they decided to burden themselves with the law so they have a subpar offer.
Edit: except if you're buying the english dubs, cause in this case they're maybe touching a comission.

Rayzer said:
FUNimation should really sue Google instead of taking down new anime pirate sites.
All of that shitty pirates won't get any beggar visitors if these sites is not going to the first page when anime name was searched.
Like, Why the fuck those shitty sites gets on the VERY first page and all streaming sites!

Throni said:

No. They did that more than 10 years ago and nobody bought it because the fansubs are free and the same stuff. They released DVD with subs only for cheap and it was rotting on the shelves.

A dub is different. There's the huge casual market that is willing to pay top dollar for shitty dubs because they are either too stupid or too lazy to read subs. They sell truckloads of shitty dubbed shows and make money. That's why more and more stuff is licensed and dubbed. They wouldn't do it if there'd be no market for that.

Sub only fags on the other hand rarely pay because they can get the same stuff for free. It's always been that way. We traded tapes and later discs with fansubs on the schoolyard. That behaviour is hard to change.

If you want dubs you can pay or you are an asshole. But watching unlicensed stuff with fansubs is hardly criminal. It's illegal, for sure. But the japanese don't care about a fat and sweaty neckbeard that streams a 10 year old show that is not licensed here. The license for many old shows ran out and I have to regrets pirating those. Nobody gets hurt and nobody loses money.

Kuromii said:

Yes, I used the original several times a day and the same goes for .si and anidex. I don't see what your problem with .si is at user level, if anything it looks a lot cleaner than .se and most of the magnet links for old stuff still have seeders.

Ari_the_Lioness said:
I read on 9anime's reddit that the only reason Funimation is going after KA is only because of One Piece. Is this true?

Comic_Sans said:
I'm bringing it up because you're committing the fallacy of the converse by using the definition "anybody who's an anime fan and acts cringey is a weeb". The other examples I provided are definitions that are based on the same premise and are as fallacious as yours.Now that's what I call a good post

Deidera said:
Can't blame Funimation. As much hate as they get they are still a legal company and KissAnime is not. None of the money KissAnime probably makes goes to the industry.

Comic_Sans said:
But that doesn't make everybody who you find cringey a "weeaboo", just like everybody who disagrees with you isn't automatically a nazi. By claiming that you're committing the fallacy of the converse. I find your behavior cringey but I wouldn't agree if somebody called you a weeaboo, I just think you're uneducated. Otherwise if we were to go by your logic that would make anybody who's not American and obsesses over a certain American TV series an Americanophile, anybody who loooooves illegal streaming sites a globalist and so on.

Yachty said:
I cringed at your trying to dig up fallacies from his own personal opinion on what he finds insufferable. Especially that "nazi" fallacy you tried to bring and draw comparisons to which is not even applicable to what that dude's saying. Well done, weeb.

Johnnyd3rp said:
It's to be expected when you use a site to pirate content. That's why it's a good thing to have some backup sites.

I'm more salty about Bakabt going private.

Sindoe said:
don't you already have an account on baka though?

Comic_Sans said:
FUCKERYmation are well known for being inconsistent with the sub quality and making shitty translation choices and the GG controversy is a primary example of that. Rewriting lines in order to project your personal political opinions into it or just failing to convey crucial information in general is a form of censorship as you're not giving the people watching their releases the full, intended experience. So yes, nice try indeed, and it succeeded, unlike your soon-to-come relativisation [that it was corrected on the disc release, as was "Just like a plan" in Nou-rin]. That's like saying that it's okay that Breivik shot dozens of people to death because he got sentenced to prison. FUCKERYmation only did it because people complained, they haven't issued a proper apology and Tyson "Fedora" Rinehart is still employed at FUCKERYmation. I have not even mentioned Nourin in this thread, you must've confused me with somebody else. Nevertheless, it is a great example of FUCKERYmation failure and point 1 applies to this as well. So, thanks for providing me evidence I didn't even know I needed.
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I don't have time to search for torrents which do not even work half of the time and download shit all day long, I want to keep that precious disk space of mine as big as possible and not have to waste time constantly deleting Chinese cartoon episodes from it.

Aquamirror said:
What if I told you anime industry is a self-supporting local industry that even if it cuts out all export to the outside world it will still live by domestic sales alone?

DateYutaka said:
what about the 1000'd of anime that have never been touched in the west[ us to be precise]

fumimation should provide a better service then the Pirates instead of attacking them

Ertebak said:
The legal sites don't have as many anime as the illegal sites, that's just a fact. Crunchyroll even tried to lower the quality like a few months ago, if illegal sites didn't exist anime fans would have to deal with the change, which is bad or go to a legal alternative which there aren't many of in the first place.
And there are some sides to the second option as well
1)Those sites could then co-operate with like cruchyroll and the other illegal sites and do the same and lower the quality. This happens with internet companies etc irl and is a real thing
2)The second site doesn't have a lot of anime, because legal sites still don't have a lot of anime

I don't want there to be a netflix-hbo situation with anime but even worse, where I need to pay for multiple different sites because every site has different anime. Create a legal platform with the best quality, most/all anime and people will move from illegal sites to legal sites with ease

HapHazrD said:

Yeah, but they're streaming platforms, they don't create content. So they don't give a damn if you buy BDs or DVDs or merch, since they don't get anything from it. They're as much leeching from animation studios as illegal streaming sites, except they decided to burden themselves with the law so they have a subpar offer.

Knutsen said:
its ironic that they targeted pirates by tracking down one piece streamers. dont they know that KA is part of the strawhats and will one day be king of the pirates! the marines and funi will never catch them!

Zalis said:

So for as much as you're bothered by Funimation subbing, you apparently don't think it's worth downloading versions with better subs, as opposed to just watching whatever Funi stream-rips KA throws your way. (What the heck does the anti-downloading crowd even do with their hueg empty hard drives, anyway?) No, you didn't mention Nou-rin here, but you have on various occasions in the past when Funimation subtitle mistakes have been brought up -- which again, doesn't add up to a consistent pattern. Not sure how it's "evidence" in your favor; wouldn't leaving it as "Just like a plan" on disc truly epitomize failure? And "shitty translation choices" generally = "translation choices I don't prefer," rather than actual mistakes. Subjective.

Even if we grant that the dub script edits in a handful of shows (like Prison School, Shin-chan, and Free! S2) constitute a pattern of censorship, where are all the alleged Funimation nudity/gore edits I keep hearing about? If the first version released is the only one that counts (because we live in a reality where anime script edits are equatable to mass shootings now?), where's the outrage from the anti-censorship crowd against every Japanese studio ever for the censored Japanese TV broadcast versions of ecchi/violent anime they produce?

That's a convenient story for those who don't feel like paying for anime to tell themselves, but what if I told you that the output of the Japanese side of the industry has pretty much tracked the fortunes of the overseas distribution industry? Sure, it probably would survive, but it what form? Do we really want to go from charts like this to charts like this one?

You mean the thousands of SD, 4:3 shows from the 60s-90s that virtually nobody (including fansubbers) has ever cared about, and hardly anybody wants to watch on modern displays in the first place? What would a "better service" look like, anyway? Users of illegal streaming sites are already getting the same translations and worse video quality than people watching on CR/Funi and other legal sites, and as the numbers show, people primarily go to bootleg streaming sites for the same shows that're available on legal sites. Region lockouts may be an issue for some, but they don't explain the substantial amount of US and Japanese traffic on KA; removing region locks is no guarantee that viewers who're used to illegal sites (i.e. feel entitled to no-cost ad-free anime) will suddenly go legal.

The controversy over CR's video quality reduction felt like a lot of finger-waving from the gallery to me. Illegal streamers had already demonstrated that they were okay with poor video quality by the fact that they were willing to use bootleg streaming sites, since the videos on KA et al are lossy re-encodes of legal streams (for recent shows; older/unlicensed shows re-encode rips from DVD/TV/LD/VHS sources). "How dare CR give us low-quality video! I'm gonna boycott them by watching even worse quality video on 12345678anime instead!" And viewers of Western entertainment don't share the same aversion to subscribing to both Netflix and Hulu. I doubt that a monopoly anime platform that many dream of is going to be any cheaper than subscribing to two or more existing sites.

How is paying licensing fees for the rights to stream anime "leeching from animation studios"?

It may not be mere coincidence, as One Piece is the most popular show on KA, with over 15 million more views (sub+dub combined) than the 2nd-place show, Naruto Shippuuden. And there's plenty of other Funi titles in KA's Top 100, such as Dragonball / Z / Kai / Super, Fairy Tail, My Hero Academia, Attack on Titan, Seven Deadly Sins, Tokyo Ghoul, Assassination Classroom, Future Diary, D.Gray-Man, Mob Psycho 100, Noragami, Code Geass, Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, and Yu Yu Hakusho.

Zaelis=51093057 said:
So for as much as you're bothered by Funimation subbing, you apparently don't think it's worth downloading versions with better subs, as opposed to just watching whatever Funi stream-rips KA throws your way.

(What the heck does the anti-downloading crowd even do with their hueg empty hard drives, anyway?)

No, you didn't mention Nou-rin here, but you have on various occasions

in the past when Funimation subtitle mistakes have been brought up -- which again, doesn't add up to a consistent pattern.

Not sure how it's "evidence" in your favor; wouldn't leaving it as "Just like a plan" on disc truly epitomize failure?

And "shitty translation choices" generally = "translation choices I don't prefer," rather than actual mistakes. Subjective.

Even if we grant that the dub script edits in a handful of shows (like Prison School, Shin-chan, and Free! S2) constitute a pattern of censorship, where are all the alleged Funimation nudity/gore edits I keep hearing about?

If the first version released is the only one that counts (because we live in a reality where anime script edits are equatable to mass shootings now?), where's the outrage from the anti-censorship crowd against every Japanese studio ever for the censored Japanese TV broadcast versions of ecchi/violent anime they produce?

Yaboku said:


^ THIS. If Funimation was available in Europe, I probably wouldn't be watching anime on sites like kissanime. Same for Crunchyroll, I can only watch SOME of the anime there, but most of it isn't available. I live in Europe and I can't use the Funi website at all.