Busou Shoujo Machiavellianism Episode 9 Discussion

bobtrollinski said:
Wait, so is satori and warabi both dead? Or they will magically some how be revived

BigGilis said:


Check time 0:52, there was a letter envelope with a mask printed in it, the same mask Satori squad used, meaning SHE IS THE ONE who sent that photo to Amou, provoking her.

(not?) Satori is really crazy, and dangerously smart too. She realized not only Rin and Mary liked Nomura, but Amou too. So in order to fight Amou she just sent that last photo to her, leaving her furious (the bedroom was a mess).

(not) Satori's had that "just as planned" smirk when Amou went after her at the roof. She just forgot to considerate how OP the empress really was!

FinalFlash18 said:

Damn. Dunno how I missed that scene. But still, on what basis she was sure that sending that photo will bring Amou to her? I don't recall her seeing Amou and MC interacting at all. So yeah, it felt forced indeed.

Jack_Corvus96 said:


well... I... Just... dont... like... the... way... she... talks... its... way... too... irritating... =D

If having an annoying way to talk doesn't answer that question, I think it is just a matter of likes

QWERTYFish25 said:
Good lord that makes two of us. That bulshit bubble-headed ace sword/gun/fighting/magical girl trope is so fucking tire...and it seems to only be done worse and worse with each show that comes out with it.

Jack_Corvus96 said:

Gladly we have shows like Seikaisuru Kado that are quite refreshing, sadly it gets underrated because there isn't boobs dancing around

Sukebe14 said:
My reaction to first few minutes:

GenesisAria said:

That's not really the point. For example, K-ON is one of the most highly regarded anime of all time in japan, yet as a show on it's own, it's not really all that special, just relatable to regular japanese school girls. Many other deeper and more artsy series often have viewership limited to people who're enveloped in the akiba culture regularly, or fancy themselves high-class.

A show like this actually gets underrated more than something like Kado, which just doesn't have popular appeal, as a show like this inevitably gets hammered on because of the ecchi stuff, and thus people miss the precision of the martial arts presentation in principle and so on.

People gripe about archetypal characters and claim it to be "lazy" or "poorly done" when in actuality, these archetypal appearances are intentional artistic choices. In reality people are bitching about preferences, as opposed to objective consideration.

This show is already refreshing in it's own right, for being both a dark violent plot, and a flash back to good old ecchi-blob series, and having quality swordplay. I say i have been impressed by a series that i though was just going to have weapon girls as gimmick and gag, instead of actually taking it seriously. I was under the initial impression that the spring season of anime this year was just gonna be a bunch of run-of-the-mill mediocre stuff, but i'm happy to have been proven wrong.

Jack_Corvus96 said:


Gladly we have shows like Seikaisuru Kado that are quite refreshing, sadly it gets underrated because there isn't boobs dancing around

Jack_Corvus96 said:
I agree but Disagree: yeah, the swordplays and violent stuff in this anime is quite refreshing (Specially the MC that at least has the guts to confront a girl), but I can't just stand the girls, the annoyance is really high that the only satisfaction I get is when the MC wins over them, that aside the cringe-y comedy this has (and cringe moments too, I.E today's bath scene) this show is 50/50 for me

PD: K-on is way too misleading for me, I will never see what's so good about it

QWERTYFish25 said:
Barely boobs in here and it wouldn't do well given the stiff feeling of animation. Oddly enough the animation from Konosuba really made the fanservice feel "fleshy".

GenesisAria said:

K-ON is a difficult subject because objectively isn't not a profound series or anything (i personally am struggling to see anything significant about it), but it struck all the right nerves at the right times, leaving an impression of divine simplicity which spoke to the hearts of schoolgirls, and guys who've seen schoolgirls be themselves, and in turn it is a notably accurate depiction of such a thing. At the same time, i was not getting into my anime-watching prime, expertise and wisdom at the time i first watched this series, and have gotten so many of the values it would have given me, from series that game later, which for various reasons i prefer. (ps: k-on's writer actually has extremely multi-cultured and unique artistic interests)

I've always enjoyed archetype characters and hyperbole depiction of said archetypes, so that not even remotely bothers me. I find it entertaining. The plot is all ham-fisted, it's obvious, and it's mostly just contrivance for a bunch of martial arts nonsense. Archetype characters are indirectly resultant in character studies of particular traits, and mixed together to see what would happen, almost like a messed up social experiment. With that thinking, i find archetypal (either pre-existing or inventing a new archetype) characters preferable to ones that are too"realistic normal human" as they tend to get dull and monochromatic... Like when you stick too many things into a blender, you just get a horrible intermediated mush.

I just mentioned K-ON as an example of popularity, which also differs from the west. Something that is regarded as amazing here, might be very niche over there, like Cowboy Bebop for example. Something huge over there might be regarded as even off-putting in the west, like Kemono Friends. If anything should be said, is to treat every anime as it's own animal (no pun intended) and try not to drag your precepts into it.

Konosuba actually had a lot of passion and effort put into it's sloppy-goofy look. Despite how slap-together it seems, it was done intentionally, and often scenes were frame-by-frame drawn.

QWERTYFish25 said:
This. Honestly I would pick that animation over Grandblu or the Tales animation almost any day. No, looking back on the final battle scene, when deen really puts their shit up they blow those unlimited budget works out of the water.

GenesisAria said:
I'm actually not a fan of Konosuba's animation. The goofly-sloppy thing is not for me. They didn't beat UBW no, ufotable has been setting precedents for tv anime for some time now. I personally prefer more care and resolution put into important keyframes even if animation lacks a bit. I never noticed Konosuba's care for animation until i saw some frame-stepping. They tried so hard with the sloppy style that it looks almost like just bad tweening (which it is occasionally - perhaps what they did is do some bad tweening then fix it up). This show isn't lazy on the animation (the keyframes are average), but they try to be efficient, like with most mid-range productions.

I haven't studied Granblue's animation frames, but it's art style is definitely enjoyable, as a sort of blast from the past - an attempted aged style. I'm not sure what their method is, because it's very difficult to find technical sakuga info in english.

...Anyways, always appreciate A for A. Everything has merits.

GenesisAria said:
Shit. This got pretty intense pretty quick. At first we had an absurd yet entertaining series, but now it's getting real.

The hand-shockwaves is a qi-based art, it actually starts at the ground, not the chest; it's akin to the 1-inch punch. It's heavily exaggerated in this series, but you can cause organ-scrambling blows without an accelerated limb. It's longitudinal force, you literally resonate a pressure-wave through your body starting from a kick to the ground.
"Spirit" is a reference to qi. "Bullet" is a reference to the speed in which it happens.


Watching this show has made me review some martial arts stuff, and this has been pretty damn good. It's hard to come across series that reasonably demonstrate the strategy and tactics of exchanging blows in actual fights (by that i mean not in sports, but combat with the intent of killing or incapacitating your enemy) especially with weapons, particularly swords, involved.

up next: some battou-jutsu...


(if anyone knows rurouni kenshin, this should all be very familiar)

QWERTYFish25 said:
Fun fact: The Katana isn't as strong as it is made out to believe, or is only as strong as its wielder. A careless swipe can break the sword.

Seabury said:
LOL, the comments on the last page calling this a feminazi anime!

The protagonist of this show is a dude, who so far has handily beaten all the antagonists who happen to be girls. How is one dude beating the shit out of some girls, who proceed to follow him around like lost puppies, even remotely feminist, let alone femi*nazi*?