| The most anti free speech (anti-freedom in general) countries have always been theocracies. Blasphemy laws and Sharia are perfect examples of this. There is nothing in most religious texts that protects freedom of speech and in fact a very strict behavioral code is always set in place. Free speech is a relatively new concept historically speaking and religion had nothing to do with it. Hell many of the people that made these sorts of laws were Deists. I've seen very few atheists that are actually anti free speech in general anyway and the ones that are, they usually dogmatically follow some ideology. Speaking as an atheist I believe you should be allowed to do whatever you want so long as you aren't causing harm. |
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libertarianmind said: Zenbear said: The most anti free speech (anti-freedom in general) countries have always been theocracies. Blasphemy laws and Sharia are perfect examples of this. There is nothing in most religious texts that protects freedom of speech and in fact a very strict behavioral code is always set in place. Free speech is a relatively new concept historically speaking and religion had nothing to do with it. Hell many of the people that made these sorts of laws were Deists. I've seen very few atheists that are actually anti free speech in general anyway and the ones that are, they usually dogmatically follow some ideology. Speaking as an atheist I believe you be allowed to doi whatever you want song as you aren't causing harm. Canada, Germany, the UK, France are all countries without free speech protections, at least not to what you'd have here. A country with hate speech laws does not have free speech. The country with free speech is America, and might honestly be the only one on earth. Most of these european countries who have hate speech laws and cowtow to Islam and feminism are far more atheist than America None of that has anything to do with atheism though and Canada is actually still fairly religious btw. It's something in the ballpark of 75% Christians and we NEVER had free speech here. |
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libertarianmind said: Zenbear said: None that has anything to do with atheism though and Canada is actually still fairly religous btw. It's something in the ballpark of 75% Christians and we NEVER had free speech here. Well, I guess that's cause you just don't have a history like ours. We were a nation that came out of a revolution based on individualist values Yes I'm aware of that and to be frank I wish we had similar free speech laws over here. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Natural rights don't exist. Rights is something we create. Existensialism woo! Don't let brer see this he'll flip and say something about objective morals and shit |
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D-KabZ said: xrockxz89 said: Atheism is weird it's like yeah you can find morality and meaning in a life where there's no god, but by the time you do I swear you've probably just found God right there lol. And then you have to walk around explaining yourself the rest of your life how you're an atheist, buuuuut.... Atheist morality will often be highly utilitarian and pragmatist, but you can still find a higher morality through it. There are many scientific perspectives that will point you towards an altruistic and positive mindset... kind of a 'carpe diem' sort of thing hahah. Yeah man I was an atheist but then I looked outside the window and found god (he was hiding behind a tree) he was probably just taking a piss lol |
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DateYutaka said: xrockxz89 said: Atheism is weird it's like yeah you can find morality and meaning in a life where there's no god, but by the time you do I swear you've probably just found God right there lol. And then you have to walk around explaining yourself the rest of your life how you're an atheist, buuuuut.... Atheist morality will often be highly utilitarian and pragmatist, but you can still find a higher morality through it. There are many scientific perspectives that will point you towards an altruistic and positive mindset... kind of a 'carpe diem' sort of thing hahah. secular rule us impoarnt im main of faith and im say this no Thtocratic rule is ok i feel the same way. A secular society will open up more doors for spirituality. |
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libertarianmind said: I'm glad our founding fathers were niether radical religious zealots nor atheists. i don't think atheism is is consistent with the values that make America great which is natural rights. In my opinion, Deism is the most compatable with the concept because it allows the concept of natural rights. The constitutions grants us rights which are guaranteed by God himself. I believe had we not been committed to the idea of natural rights, we'd be much more consequentialist. I'm not trying to blame atheists for the attacks on free speech, but you'll notice many of these European countries guilty of the most anti-free speech action tend to be very athiest. Because atheism lends itself more to consequentialism. And consequentialism isn't compatable with guaranteed freedoms like free speech. I suspect the reason Canada, Germany and France are so anti-free speech is because they don't see the value in free speech inherently. They see things like "Hate speech" as grounds for making it illegal on the basis that it's not "useful" or "helpful" speech. Someone dedicated to the concept of God given rights will support hate speech on the basis that it is a natural right of man. I don't think atheism is good enough to protect these freedoms because a consequentialist morality would not support things like free speech. And I know we don't have "absolute free speech" but here in America, free speech restrictions are based on immediate safety, not whether or not such speech is "bad" for society. The idea that saying "faggot" is akin to yelling fire in a movie theater is absolutely insane. One is about public safety the other is about not offending people I'm not judging all atheists. You can have a daentological view of natural rights and be an atheist. All I'm saying is that atheism, as an ideology, doesn't lead to that Don't really know what you base the whole Europe hasnt free speech on, but here in Denmark we have complete free speech apart from blasphemy laws, and those laws we have because.... surprise, we aren't a secular, and far from an atheist country, the church is still sanctioned by the state, and 80% of the country is still members of the church. So saying free speech problems is because of atheism is completely asinine. |
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Ikaros_42oh said: TheBrainintheJar said: Natural rights don't exist. Rights is something we create. Existensialism woo! Don't let brer see this he'll flip and say something about objective morals and shit Although I'm a very harsh ethicist - I believe ethics are the most important field and everyone in the world must be familiar with Groundwork - morals aren't objective. That's because morals are value judgments. Value judgments aren't objects. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Ikaros_42oh said: Don't let brer see this he'll flip and say something about objective morals and shit Although I'm a very harsh ethicist - I believe ethics are the most important field and everyone in the world must be familiar with Groundwork - morals aren't objective. That's because morals are value judgments. Value judgments aren't objects. Objective morality is granted by God to healthy human nature. People possessed by evil cannot see objective morality. That's Satan's work. You collect all the genuinely healthy people in the world and when they speak sense to each other they will all see the same morality. |
NudeBear said: JustaBrer said: Objective morality is granted by God to healthy human nature. People possessed by evil cannot see objective morality. That's Satan's work. You're only adhering to a set of values provided by an absolute power, but that doesn't make it objective because those values are still subjective to God; it's just an appeal to dictatorship. God exists metaphysically. He defies physical understanding and his nature cannot be measured. He is infinite. This is as far as we get in understanding God until we reach Heaven. He gives us signs in physical reality though to guide our way. To guide us to be good, placid and healthy, so that we may prove ourselves worthy of Heaven. |
JustaBrer said: NudeBear said: You're only adhering to a set of values provided by an absolute power, but that doesn't make it objective because those values are still subjective to God; it's just an appeal to dictatorship. God exists metaphysically. He defies physical understanding and his nature cannot be measured. He is infinite. This is as far as we get in understanding God until we reach Heaven. He gives us signs in physical reality though to guide our way. To guide us to be good, placid and healthy, so that we may prove ourselves worthy of Heaven. If his nature can't be measured then how did you determine he is good? |
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OmegaSiets said: JustaBrer said: God exists metaphysically. He defies physical understanding and his nature cannot be measured. He is infinite. This is as far as we get in understanding God until we reach Heaven. He gives us signs in physical reality though to guide our way. To guide us to be good, placid and healthy, so that we may prove ourselves worthy of Heaven. If his nature can't be measured then how did you determine he is good? Because God speaks to our hearts. He grants us warmth and strength. His people are good. His book describes good. We simply cannot put a cap or a limit on him. All goodness comes from him though. God is the embodiment of mental health. We live in a world filled with insanity, evil, confusion, disorder and suffering, and yet many of God's people show excellent mental health, genuinely being kind to others, being wise and showing great strength of character. This is good. People also experience miracles through God. Make no mistake, God is good, and he exists above us safeguarding our hearts and condemning evil. Don't fall into foolishness. Don't be bad. Find salvation, is my message. If you want conclusive proof beyond what I've mentioned then you'll never get it. If only it were that easy. This is God's trial to humankind. Regardless of how many people here turn to God from my words I'll always be here to speak sense, help out people and show good character. The proof is in the pudding. Hope that can help you! |
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JustaBrer said: Because God speaks to our hearts. He grants us warmth and strength. His people are good. His book describes good. What a load of vague, smug, self congratulatory nonsense. |
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Proof? He grants us warmth and strength. Proof? His people are good. Is this why people kill other's in the name of God? His book describes good. The bible (amongst other religious texts) are also full of horrible shit committed in the name of God. We simply cannot put a cap or a limit on him. Proof? All goodness comes from him though. Proof? God is the embodiment of mental health. So people who kill their families because the voice of god told them to are mentally healthy? We live in a world filled with insanity, You could just as easily say the world is filled with sanity, it depends on your outlook. evil, Doesn't exist, just how good doesn't exist. confusion, Yes, nobody is all knowing, therefor we are all confused, welcome to reality. disorder Disorder is the state of nature, it's how the world exists. and suffering, https://youtu.be/B5RtDpva7nE?t=32s and yet many of God's people show excellent mental health, Proof? genuinely helping others, Not exclusive to religion being kind Not exclusive to religion and showing great strength of character. Not exclusive to religion This is good. Debatable People also experience miracles through God. Proof? Make no mistake, God is good, Proof? Again, "good" doesn't exist. and he exists above us safeguarding our hearts Proof? and condemning evil. Proof? Again, "evil" doesn't exist. Don't fall into foolishness. How do you know you haven't? Don't be bad. "bad" is subjective Find salvation, is my message. Proof "salvation" exists? If you want conclusive proof beyond what I've mentioned then you'll never get it. If proof can never, and I mean never, be found as to the existence of something then it doesn't exist. If only it were that easy. Proof isn't easy, denying it is This is God's trial to humankind. Proof? Regardless of how many people here turn to God from my words I'll always be here to speak sense, Proof you speak sense? help out people Proof you've helped people? and show good character. Calling people you disagree with mentally ill and telling them to fuck off are "good character"? The proof is in the pudding. Yes... yes it is. Hope that can help you! Why do you put an exclamation point at the end? It just makes you come off as immature. |
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JustaBrer said: TheBrainintheJar said: Although I'm a very harsh ethicist - I believe ethics are the most important field and everyone in the world must be familiar with Groundwork - morals aren't objective. That's because morals are value judgments. Value judgments aren't objects. Objective morality is granted by God to healthy human nature. People possessed by evil cannot see objective morality. That's Satan's work. You collect all the genuinely healthy people in the world and when they speak sense to each other they will all see the same morality. If you believe in God and all your claims rely on that, no wonder we're that different. Sadly I'm not versed enough in theology to argue for/against God. |
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Phendrus said: JustaBrer said: God exists metaphysically. Funny, a little over two months ago, you said... JustaBrer said: Metaphysics won't solve your problems, because it doesn't exist. Make up your mind, dude. Lmao hahahaha it makes you think if he really believe the nonsense he's been spouting. this guy might be a troll. |
| Calm yourselves people. Don't get disturbed. Atheism is absolutely wrong and I condemn it. This won't change. I won't force anyone to change their beliefs though. If a shitstorm from atheists starts I will be excusing myself from this thread permanently, so if you want to have a calm, healthy discussion then I'd like you to keep your tempers in check. @ThrashMatto Just because some people claim that they are acting in God's name that doesn't mean they actually are. Take ISIS, those people are acting on Satan's name when they think it to be God. You demand a lot of scientific proof and so I will reiterate: God doesn't have scientific proof, and his actions upon our consciousness and hearts is metaphysical. If only it were that easy, wouldn't we all just simply be theists? God wants to test us though so it is not. I see many fools in this thread, and whilst I will keep trying to convince the fools to see sense by continually speaking sense on a range of matters, if people want to act mental towards me they'll get told to fuck off, simple as that, really. That or I will pleasantly ignore them. I also condemn the evil in mental illness. If some people won't listen then they shouldn't expect me to go out of my way for them. I have little time for idiocy. Thrash, you are a confirmed fool. I took pity on you before and now I'm explaining stuff to you. You should listen to me though, lest you continue in your folly. For those of you who want to doubt me the proof is in the pudding. Every healthy person on this site can see that I behave well and speak sense, and those are the only opinions that are valid. Now, with that said, I want to make absolutely clear that I will be ignoring any and all personal attacks against me hereafter. I will also ignore any repeated questions that my posts have already gave some sort of answer to. If you don't believe yourself capable of acting in a mentally healthy way then save yourself the embarrassment of looking like a fool. I assure you, you won't be able to bother or disturb me. I think I'll leave this thread for a couple of days now and go help some others out on different threads. |
| OP is oppressed by atheists cause he can't scream "faggot" at people without repercussions. Damn, what a tragedy Remember when people used the bible to promote slavery? Good times |
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| @xrockxz89 I am atheist but still have moral, and I do think a world without religion must have been one immoral one. Such as back when humanity was twelve far-genetic mix in between apes, stuff and pre-first human genetic evolved form. When we were animals, we weren't moral. Now I follow moral because of society, because it is society that gave off moral for people to live altogether. But if we were two humans in the world, rape would be alright. |
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| I don't know what "consequentalist morality" means. But historically those religions helped people (societies) to explain stuff and build rules for living together. Nowadays this is not needed anymore. And with "common sense" you can get to the similar rules most religions have. (Not killing others ... I don't need a rule. Common sense tells me that - even without laws and the police - his friends/family would attack me back and that would mean additional risk. So it's a bad thing. At least for risk-averse people that try to avoid uncertainty.) I don't think Atheism leads to ... something. But I also don't think it will hinder/stop you from reaching that yourself. (Same goes for all the other religions if you aren't hardcore interpreting the religious books. But those hardcore fundamentalist radical people are bad for most religions and not only the Islam a lot of people like to hate.) |
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JustaBrer said: Calm yourselves people. Who isn't calm? Don't get disturbed. I think you need to get down with the sickness, oohwahahaha Atheism is absolutely wrong Proof? and I condemn it. Okay... so? This won't change. That's fine I won't force anyone to change their beliefs though. Doubtful but if you can do it, good If a shitstorm from atheists starts I will be excusing myself from this thread permanently, Aka, running away from a debate so if you want to have a calm, Not seeing anything but calmness here healthy discussion then I'd like you to keep your tempers in check. Again, who is not keeping their tempers in check? Yes, sir. Just because some people claim that they are acting in God's name that doesn't mean they actually are. No true scotsman, try again. Take ISIS, those people are acting on Satan's name Factually incorrect, they are acting in the name of God, the same God you worship when they think it to be God. Might you be acting in the name of Satan when you think it to be God? You demand a lot of scientific proof As anyone who should and so I will reiterate: God doesn't have scientific proof, Then God, so long as proof doesn't exist, doesn't exist. and his How do you know God isn't a woman, or an agender Cthulhu? actions upon our consciousness and hearts is metaphysical. AKA you can't prove it If only it were that easy, Nothing is easy wouldn't we all just simply be theists? If God existed, I'd try to kill it for what it's done God wants to test us though so it is not. Proof? I see many fools in this thread, I see one and whilst I will keep trying to convince the fools to see sense Whoa there, this goes against what you previously said about not trying to convert people. Why are you being hypocritical? by continually speaking sense on a range of matters, Proof that what you speak is sense? if people want to act mental How does one "act mental"? towards me they'll get told to fuck off, Yeah, this doesn't seem like you want to discuss thing, just seems like you want to be told you're right. simple as that, really. That or I will pleasantly ignore them. That's up to you, just doesn't look very good in the end I also condemn the evil in mental illness. So you don't understand mental illness, got it If some people won't listen then they shouldn't expect me to go out of my way for them. Not very Christian of you.... I have little time for idiocy. Seems like 24/7 of your life is it though Thrash, you are a confirmed fool. Proof? I took pity on you before When did I need your "pity"? and now I'm explaining stuff to you. As anyone putting forth an argument should You should listen to me though, lest you continue in your folly. Proof that I should? For those of you who want to doubt me the proof is in the pudding. Which is why we doubt you Every healthy person on this site can see that I behave well Calling people you disagree with insane and telling them to fuck off, calling them fools, yup, that's behaving well and speak sense, Proof? and those are the only opinions that are valid. All opinions are valid, even one's you disagree with. Your opinion being valid doesn't make it a fact though. Now, with that said, I want to make absolutely clear that I will be ignoring any Giving yourself an easy out in a debate and all personal attacks against me hereafter. Who has personally attacked you? I will also ignore any repeated questions that my posts have already gave some sort of answer to. Proof that you've already given the answer to them? If you don't believe yourself capable of acting in a mentally healthy way then save yourself the embarrassment of looking like a fool. Good advise. I do hope you follow any and all advise you give to others, or that would be hypocritical. I assure you, you won't be able to bother or disturb me. Who's trying to? Plus it seems like you're plenty disturbed already considering you made a fairly large post about how you won't be disturbed... I think I'll leave this thread for a couple of days now Running away already? I thought you said you weren't bothered... and go help some others out on different threads. Proof that you help people? |
ThrashMattoMay 29, 2017 11:49 AM
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libertarianmind said: Zenbear said: The most anti free speech (anti-freedom in general) countries have always been theocracies. Blasphemy laws and Sharia are perfect examples of this. There is nothing in most religious texts that protects freedom of speech and in fact a very strict behavioral code is always set in place. Free speech is a relatively new concept historically speaking and religion had nothing to do with it. Hell many of the people that made these sorts of laws were Deists. I've seen very few atheists that are actually anti free speech in general anyway and the ones that are, they usually dogmatically follow some ideology. Speaking as an atheist I believe you be allowed to doi whatever you want song as you aren't causing harm. Canada, Germany, the UK, France are all countries without free speech protections, at least not to what you'd have here. A country with hate speech laws does not have free speech. The country with free speech is America, and might honestly be the only one on earth. Most of these european countries who have hate speech laws and cowtow to Islam and feminism are far more atheist than America Canada has protected free speech with the exception of hate speech. If you need to spur hate speech, then you should probably not be allowed to speak. Your freedom ends where the freedom of other begin. Hate speech is violence, violence should not be tolerated in any country. You can talk about sensitive subject without being hateful. |
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xrockxz89 said: Atheism is weird it's like yeah you can find morality and meaning in a life where there's no god, but by the time you do I swear you've probably just found God right there lol. And then you have to walk around explaining yourself the rest of your life how you're an atheist, buuuuut.... Atheist morality will often be highly utilitarian and pragmatist, but you can still find a higher morality through it. There are many scientific perspectives that will point you towards an altruistic and positive mindset... kind of a 'carpe diem' sort of thing hahah. The thing is, if you're an atheist, you don't believe in god or anything that was attributed to a deity. Therefore, you don't believe that the morality that theist follow is from god but from humans, which means that if they can define morality, you can too. Morality can be explained scientifically, no need for a belief in god. |
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Zonata said: xrockxz89 said: Atheism is weird it's like yeah you can find morality and meaning in a life where there's no god, but by the time you do I swear you've probably just found God right there lol. And then you have to walk around explaining yourself the rest of your life how you're an atheist, buuuuut.... Atheist morality will often be highly utilitarian and pragmatist, but you can still find a higher morality through it. There are many scientific perspectives that will point you towards an altruistic and positive mindset... kind of a 'carpe diem' sort of thing hahah. The thing is, if you're an atheist, you don't believe in god or anything that was attributed to a deity. Therefore, you don't believe that the morality that theist follow is from god but from humans, which means that if they can define morality, you can too. Morality can be explained scientifically, no need for a belief in god. Yeah sure, I mean even then you're kind of talking about a collective consciousness which is already like a form of god to me, but yea right that's what I was getting at... science is more than enough to make you be a good person lol, although you do still have to see it through an altruistic lens. You must have the 'selfless gene' to use Richard Dawkins' term ;) |
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Zonata said: libertarianmind said: Canada, Germany, the UK, France are all countries without free speech protections, at least not to what you'd have here. A country with hate speech laws does not have free speech. The country with free speech is America, and might honestly be the only one on earth. Most of these european countries who have hate speech laws and cowtow to Islam and feminism are far more atheist than America Canada has protected free speech with the exception of hate speech. If you need to spur hate speech, then you should probably not be allowed to speak. Your freedom ends where the freedom of other begin. Hate speech is violence, violence should not be tolerated in any country. You can talk about sensitive subject without being hateful. 1. Anything can be classified as "hate speech", see bill c-16 2. Speech can never be violence. It may incite violence, it cannot be in itself violence. 3. Canada protects "hate speech" so long as it's not forced or inciting violence. |
ThrashMattoMay 29, 2017 2:40 PM
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
ThrashMatto said: Zonata said: Canada has protected free speech with the exception of hate speech. If you need to spur hate speech, then you should probably not be allowed to speak. Your freedom ends where the freedom of other begin. Hate speech is violence, violence should not be tolerated in any country. You can talk about sensitive subject without being hateful. 1. Anything can be classified as "hate speech", see bill c-16 2. Speech can never violence. It may incite violence, it cannot be in itself violence. 3. Canada protects "hate speech" so long as it's not forced or inciting violence. 1. That is'nt true. bill c-16 is simply an add-on. It was already inherently part of the "hate speech" definition. They added it to remove the uncertainty around the modern issue of gender and also for political capital. 2. Violence is not necessarily physical as you seem to imply. Violence is any use of power that can harm someone physically o r psychologically. Albeit it is more often associated with some form of physical damage, it isn't exclusive. 3. If you can say it legally in Canada, it isn't hate speech. Any form of hate speech is considered violent and consequently is punishable. |
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Zonata said: ThrashMatto said: 1. Anything can be classified as "hate speech", see bill c-16 2. Speech can never be violence. It may incite violence, it cannot be in itself violence. 3. Canada protects "hate speech" so long as it's not forced or inciting violence. 1. That is'nt true. bill c-16 is simply an add-on. It was already inherently part of the "hate speech" definition. They added it to remove the uncertainty around the modern issue of gender and also for political capital. 2. Violence is not necessarily physical as you seem to imply. Violence is any use of power that can harm someone physically o r psychologically. Albeit it is more often associated with some form of physical damage, it isn't exclusive. 3. If you can say it legally in Canada, it isn't hate speech. Any form of hate speech is considered violent and consequently is punishable. 1. you prove my point. 2. vi·o·lence ˈvī(ə)ləns/ noun noun: violence behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. 3. Handing out pamphlets denying the holocaust is both "hate speech" and legal. |
ThrashMattoMay 29, 2017 2:40 PM
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
ThrashMatto said: Zonata said: 1. That is'nt true. bill c-16 is simply an add-on. It was already inherently part of the "hate speech" definition. They added it to remove the uncertainty around the modern issue of gender and also for political capital. 2. Violence is not necessarily physical as you seem to imply. Violence is any use of power that can harm someone physically o r psychologically. Albeit it is more often associated with some form of physical damage, it isn't exclusive. 3. If you can say it legally in Canada, it isn't hate speech. Any form of hate speech is considered violent and consequently is punishable. 1. you prove my point. 2. vi·o·lence ˈvī(ə)ləns/ noun noun: violence behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. 3. Handing out pamphlets denying the holocaust is both "hate speech" and legal. 1. How? Because you don't understand the concept? 2. Cherry picking. The wikipedia page says otherwise. "Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation", although the group acknowledges that the inclusion of "the use of power" in its definition expands on the conventional understanding of the word." Which includes four types of violence: physical, sexual, psychological, emotional 3. It isn't hate speech. Again, you don't seem to understand what is hate speech. |
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Zonata said: ThrashMatto said: 1. you prove my point. 2. 3. Handing out pamphlets denying the holocaust is both "hate speech" and legal. 1. How? Because you don't understand the concept? 2. Cherry picking. The wikipedia page says otherwise. "Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation", although the group acknowledges that the inclusion of "the use of power" in its definition expands on the conventional understanding of the word." Which includes four types of violence: physical, sexual, psychological, emotional 3. It isn't hate speech. Again, you don't seem to understand what is hate speech. 1. No, I understand it and yes you did prove my point. Things can be amended into hate speech laws that weren't previously there. 2. I'm sorry but I'd trust the dictionary over wikipedia, anyday 3. I was using the generally accepted usage of "hate speech" not the legal usage of hate speech. The only thing keeping that instance from coming under the legal usage of hate speech is that it wasn't force, unlike the teacher in Alberta during the 80s |
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