Palestinian Terror Groups Protested Trump's Visit for Embracing Peace

Neane93 said:
But I was told that Israel is the true terrorist by the same people who said that anyone who thinks that Global Warming isn't largely man made should be put in prison and that Hillary was the last hope for the USA.

Altairius said:
Yeah. Again, anyone here, give me one good reason why the West should be involved in this shit or send money to either side.

DateYutaka said:
zionnist wank topic im sorry you cannot be debated with

traed said:
Aaaaand this has nothing to do with me or anything I said.

omfgplzstop said:
I already explained to you why the US benefits from their alliance with Israel and why most of the money sent to Israel is effectively pumped back into the American economy.

Altairius said:


Anything that is done out there in the desert can be done here. We should invest locally.

There is no real reason the US and say, Iran should be enemies. Iran should be totally irrelevant to us. US foreign policy doesn't benefit the American people. It benefits global finance, and Israel's government thinks it benefits Israel. I don't think it will, in the long run.

omfgplzstop said:
You displayed ignorance that comes from a bunch of sources that espouse a particular belief and revolve around that belief. I disproved it by taking two minutes to look at Palestinian media. I also thought it'd be funny if you saw the actual state of Palestinians and the basic summary of the conflict. It helped me calm down.

traed said:

And multiple sources (maybe not all ones I linked since stupid paywall blocking some) come from Israel or other near by states sooo....it sounds like you're just in denial on what kind the Israeli government is like. I never said it's purely bad but it's certainly not that good either. I dont know why you cant let it go ...

Satania- said:
Good goyim, peace is bad. How else will we make shekels off of your unbridled anger with our glorious division and conquest?

omfgplzstop said:

its funny because palestinians are so dependant on israeli and foreign aid that they've yet to setup a currency of their own and actually do generally use shekels

Mikasa said:


It's also funny how Jews were dependent on the Nazis and their whims, and how blacks in the US were dependent on the whites... that's how slavery, apartheid and oppression in general work, you play by the oppressor's rules, so of course you're gonna be dependent on what they do and don't allow you to have.

Kuma said:
> Hamas, PFLP and Islamic Jihad

pretty sure all of them are iran backing, which how trump antagonizing them is direct thread towards them... no surprise TBH..

omfgplzstop said:

According to the left and people around here, they're meek victims who just want to live in peace. lol.

Kuma said:


not really, hamas is anything but peace... but hey, they are not thathostile anymore... not to mention iran prefer moderate way now... i don't said you guys should let them do whatever they want, but stop antagonizing them when it's not necessary... it doesn't help...

omfgplzstop said:

According to the left and people around here, they're meek v
ictims who just want to live in peace. lol.

DateYutaka said:


zionist expaonisx that is agiest interntaol law fuck the terroist lakudists there will be no peace as lonk as lakud hold power you need a leader like simon Peres not a war hawk

omfgplzstop said:


Meanwhile, Likud is the only party to ever give up territory for absolutely nothing and Netanyahu has agreed to more concessions than Rabin.
The left's attempts to present Netanyahu as an extreme right-winger are quite entertaining.

Israel is far from an expansionist country, and it takes a special kind of stupid to believe that. But regardless, do tell me how anything Israel is doing territorially is against international law, which I'm sure you're well-versed in.

DateYutaka said:


there are anti zionist jews anti zionism is not racisn zionism is racist agets there own bother arbs are semites too that is a fct that people like you refuse to see

cuase you so fucking drunk on the zionist kool aid

DateYutaka said:


the setliments are in contray to internationl law lakud endorse them

omfgplzstop said:


There are also leftists who believe America is the root of all evil. That doesn't mean they're right. Neturei Karta's belief is that a jewish state should only be formed when the King Messiah of Judaism comes, and that anything made until then is a sin; they call it "spiritual suppression" and claim that it is thus worse than the holocaust, attempting to present zionism as a vile ideology to push that narrative.
If I interviewed an American communist and asked him what he thinks about America, most would not give a very different answer.

I don't care if Arabs are semites too. If they want me dead, I'm not going to give them any privilege, the same way I won't give jewish criminals any privilege.
I already elaborated on the fact that there is no legal racism towards Arabs. Individuals may participate in it, but it only manifests in some employers. It could also be argued that this is not racism, but rather a rational decision, as the Arab population is majorly anti-Israel as a jewish state, this despite admitting they would not move to another country and evidently not doing so, and many of them have turned to terrorism or joined groups like ISIS in the past--a particular employer simply would not want to deal with that. They are still generally hired.

DateYutaka said:


you know nothing of hwat most o them left think as anti staits as i am

as along as wel live i workd of nation states im thnk all people who whis ot have there onw nation ie not live under oppuation should have it

hence i back both ulster unionist [ who wish and have democrtacally vited to be part ofthe uk] even tough there right wing

as much as i the kurdist movemnet the tibeten indepedce catalan and Basque The SRW and yes palastine

you reely do not undersatnd mv views do you ir viies of persons like me

omfgplzstop said:
I don't understand what you're typing; I do have a general idea of your misguided views. Either way, no one is preventing Palestinians from establishing a state besides the prerequisite that they recognize Israel's right to exist, which they have always refused to do. A Palestinian state has never been their goal and anyone who knows even a little bit of history would realize that. Not doing anything to establish a state for 20 years and only starting to demand it when Israel acquired the territory is an obvious excuse to attack more jews. They were given a chance to create a state in 1993, 2001 and 2008. They refused all the offers because they needed to recognize Israel as the Jewish nationstate.

omfgplzstop said:
Because so far I have debunked all of your claims and have debunked many other accusations by others, not to mention I've seen the kinds of sources you use and know they're mostly a bunch of liars with regards to Israel?
I live here. We all serve in the army. We all see terror attacks since childhood. We all live alongside Arabs. None of the claims about an apartheid state are even remotely accurate. 95% of Palestinians administer themselves. It takes AT MOST 30 minutes to get through a checkpoint, and they're only set up in certain roads connecting Israel and the West Bank. Every single myth is frustrating bullshit that never dies in an attempt to delegitimize a country we fought for according to every record except the Palestinians', and I'm sure they want to erase the rest.

It's great. Not perfect, thanks to suicidal leftists weighing it down and preventing actual progress from being made, as well as dear Palestinians who raise their children on the promises of "getting back" Tel Aviv from those evil jews and glorify shahids, but it's great as far as human rights are concerned. I am still willing to debunk any stupid claim about Israel your sources have. Do individual extremists do bad things? Sure. It's not anything the government is respnsible for, no matter how much the left demands Meretz be elected. I have already described some policies I am unhappy with to you; treatment of Palestinians is not among those. Or, actually, it is, because the idiotic restrictions imposed on the army prevent it from protecting Israeli lives as efficiently as it can, which is its most basic role. Why should a soldier be jailed for shooting the neutralized terrorist that stabbed his friend? Sure, he wasn't justified. But he also shouldn't have been punished this severely. People were scared to take action in following operations, which led to deaths and injuries. The left ignores this, because their utopia of human rights crumbles once they acknowledge not everyone have the same end goal. It's fucking stupid and it's costing lives.

by the way, "nearby states" all hate israel and jews with a fiery passion and without Egypt agreeing to receive the Sinai Peninsula (an area larger than all of Israel) for peace would still be hostile and their journalists can't really get into israel for reporting afaik, so i wouldn't call them credible.

DateYutaka said:



your views are warped by zionism just like all hard right winger are my views are not misguided at all

im a two state and 68 guy nah that is two much for hardcore right wing zionis like you

i say this if the Zionnist jews intergtaed better hell alot of older people were nor even born before Nakaba nad hell i bet most people at at mosr 2nd gearation

your eirter saying he jewish verion of iran imiv aways said this i they fully secularize there govement srtuctre i eallow Israeli arabs to run for high office

Muslims jews are not a race being anti jew [ witch im not since lol im a left winger and Hitker hated the left more ore hthan jews he call communis a jewish creation partly hes right] he hate the jewsih bolshiveks ] while im not marxist leninist type]



as you can tell by ,y proile picture im very anti state and im also ananco pacifist hardcore level so Israelil hardcore Militarsim rubs the thewrong waty as well

soon as Israelil troops steo out of Israelis land i call that in inavaion no act of defnese ie as a ananco pacifist who bleive that only prult defsive war are 100% justfied

and none of the incrsion ot garza for exmaple have been defenvise in mannmer look up in the diconarty what denfensive mean and you will se il right an invasion is never defensive a war were you gain terrotry is not defensive

traed said:


What claims do you think you debunked? What do you even think I claimed? Because you sound like you already forgot and are just makings things up as you go.

But Israelis arent creditable? Come on ...

Neane93 said:
In before this thread explodes.

Neane93 said:
Was referring to someone else

omfgplzstop said:

They antagonize us quite often, both on their streets, in their speeches and in their constitution. They're also the biggest funders of terrorism against us AFAIK--I could be wrong about that. Regardless, I think in a hostile situation it's too dangerous to focus on the good parts of Iran. They've stated they intend on being hostile towards us, so I wouldn't give them any breaks. Also nuclear facilities--they have every intention of using a bomb once they produce one, so I'm not surprised they're being quiet.

omfgplzstop said:
If you were referring to Hamas, then I disagree. They're every bit as hostile, they just avoid doing too much since Gaza and are now focusing on pushing the victim narrative in hopes that that eventually isolates us. Luckily, Trump kind of forced Abu Mazen/Abbas to back off, but he refused to cut salaries to convicted terrorists and their families and stop glorifying shahids, which either way is not too bad since the US (government at least, people are stupid) won't believe them if they keep behaving in a way that proves they don't want peace.

Regardless, I don't see a reason to pretend Hamas aren't hostile. We can't sign a deal with people whose charter calls for the genocide of jews and annihilation of israel until they change it.

Kuma said:


iran antagonizing you is more severe back then, but it coming to better light since rouhani... also, they are not really funding terrorist againts you (which mainly hizbulloh, that lebanon and syiria backed if anything).. if yaman, then yes... they are more hostile towards saudi than israel IMHO... if you didn't followed and keep insisting being harsh as it now towards them i don't think it will improve anything since it make them feel unrewarded... also, israel developing nuclear too, even being abigious when iran already open their program...



they are simply more focusing on their own problem (at least for now)... they are currently on reconciliation with fatah... i doubt they want to break it again...tho they are still hostile, i doubt they are launching real attack againts israel, or at least, in some next years...

omfgplzstop said:

No, not really. Every link you posted is what I debunked, as well as the claim that Israel mistreats Palestinians and the claim that it is a religious ethnostate.

And like I said, being an Israeli does not make you creditable. It might mean you live there and have had experiences, but it doesn't make your ideology instantly true to reality or all of your claims correct and not distorted. Especially when a lot of those claims can be logically debunked or disproven using evidence.

omfgplzstop said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capialistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Gotta wonder how Date'll respond to that.

traed said:


You basically made one link which only showed a different situationn not a debunking and also named off a personal account from a couple of people you know...

So every personal experience from people and every news story all lies because reasons ? -_-


Hitler's idea of socialism was basically just poor white people having food. That was it lol He protected private business ownership aka capitalism. He was a Racial Nationalist with a welfare state so his economics was more centrist. The actual Socialist of the Nazi Party was Strasser which Hitler had killed for being in opposition to his views. Also even if he was a socialist, which he is not, it had nothing to do with any of the bad things he did. His actions had more to do with his life experiences and him being caught up in conspiracy theories about jews.

traed said:
@omfgplzstop
That was just one source you're focusing on though. I almost didnt use it but didnt want to take time looking for a better one that said something kind of similarish.

Last I looked the socialist party in Israel didnt even have one seat. I forgot what it was called though. As I look through lists of parties now I just see social liberals and social democrats at most unlesss it's an incomplete list.

Ironic if true since Stalin came off as anti-semetic in certain regards.

omfgplzstop said:


Israel has had nuclear weapons for a while, but they're only there for self-defense. Iran might actually use them, since they don't care about mutually assured destruction, and that's far too big a risk, especially since they've lied about having worked towards it prior. They've had ballistic experiments and it seems to me like they're just pretending to go along with the international community while developing ballistic missiles that could carry a nuclear warhead once the deal expires or is cancelled. The Vina agreement doesn't prevent that.
Sure, Rouhani is better than Khomeini, but it's not like he's THAT much better. According to reports Rouhani actually increased the funding for Hamas's terror tunnels as soon as the sanctions were lifted, for example.

I agree about Hamas, but I still stand by what I said in the previous post. Individuals still commit terrorism but Hamas as an organization haven't done anything major yet.

It's so fun to talk to someone who actually knows what they're talking about. Thank you.

Kuma said:

> i don't understand why iran might use them... they are as surrounded by enemy as israel... heck, even their shia nighbour (like iraq and bahrain)... but they never use it too right? also of course they are gonna lies... they are under cold war pressure... they know it can be used as excuse againts them...

as for balistic, it look like more domestic using and sales... unlike "warm" western allies, eastern allies doesn't trust each other that much (heck, they are even fighting each other during each indochina unrest) they only bounded by same enemy... hence why all of them (like china, and SOviet) developing each other weaponary technologies... same goes for iran... i don't think they will the one that starting the war because they are already in stable places... iran is more likely destroyed from the inside than starting a war...

rouhani actually done really big inside (hence why oppisition heavily againts it, you can take a look at their latest election, he was accused being western dogs)... sure they will obviously keep suporting hamas (because their allies already few to begin with), but i don't think rouhani has direct hand in this... iran separating military control and goverment control... but the election showing iran people want to move in moderate ways now...

as for hamas, they just get masive electricity shortcut lOl... they can't even paid their electricity bill... i doub't they has that many power... it's mainly individual move now...