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May 22, 2017 3:50 PM

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Viteracf said:
I don't think it's overrated, I'm sure it's overrated.

In addition, Kyoto Animation has a lot of fanboys, so... yeah.

Now I'm starting to know what is the meaning of 'best girl'.
Because tolerating and even trying and wanting to be friends with your bullies? That's only you Nishimiya.



"people like this thing I don't, so they MUST be fanboys"

May 22, 2017 4:04 PM
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"Tolerating and even trying to be friends with the bullies" is an important matter dealt in the manga and the movie; that's why Ueno hates Shouko for being insincere (in a way), that Shouko only extended superficial courtesy to others (except Shouya); that she wasn't really that interested in forming true relations with others but always smiled as a means of defense so that bullying would not happen (as explained in the Ferris wheel scene). Ueno is even more mad when Shouko does that thing after the fireworks, because in a way she has refused to communicate with others and thought that everyone else's unhappiness was caused by her and she had better died, and by that selfish and easy decision (from the slightly twisted point of view of Ueno) Shouko injured other people. Yuzuru couldn't stop Ueno slapping Shouko, because she saw some truth in what Ueno had been saying. Stop smiling and fight back was Yuzuru's (and their mother's) attitude toward the bullies, but for Shouko who had been bullied all along, even smiling needed courage as below her smiling facade she was desperately trying to live a life (as revealed to Shouya at the classroom brawl scene).

... Therefore, Viteracf probably doesn't understand what sort of complex issues are dealt in the film. No one including the heroine in this film is perfect; they have shortcomings, and that's why the film is more interesting as a human drama.
GohanwaOkazuMay 22, 2017 4:46 PM
May 22, 2017 5:14 PM

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Overrated? Nah not really, I think it's a really good film about personal redemption and overcoming hardships during one's teenage years.

Is it overhyped? I think so, same as the manga only the 2 main families get development, everyone else has little to no characterization, with Ueno being the saving grace, but Kawai, Mishiba, Nagatsuki and Sahara are all pretty bland characters who only increase poorly executed drama. Then there's the subtle romance aspect which is absolutely horrifying from an objective point of view.

Regardless a good movie that should be seen that has really well executed moments but just falters a slight in some aspects.
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May 22, 2017 9:26 PM

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Just an average show to me. Nothing that outstanding.

I found it unrealistic that the group still get separated,him getting bullied back for bullying for so long and did not get over it even the bullying has happen long time ago. Seems like a cheap way to make things overdramatic. This is in contrast with AnoHana, where I can understand the group got get separated,conflicted for long time because Menma death. Aside from the MC, character motivation of side characters feels poorly explained/constructed.

According to MAL graph, drama is actually my favorite genre but Koe no Katachi drama is just average to me.
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ZapredonMay 22, 2017 10:46 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.
May 22, 2017 9:28 PM

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@Takamura-sama. You would give this a 6/10 but give shows like Fairy Tail and High School DxD a 10/10 and 9/10. The logic in that blows my mind LMAO
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May 22, 2017 9:35 PM

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Cirno9 said:

Well, I hate anime that I dislike. Isn't it natural? :^)


Hmm, okay, my bad for using the "hate" word, but no I don't think it's natural... Imo, those two words are different. So yeah, sorry for that wrong choice of word.
Anyway... If you really dislike it, you could've just said it outright that you dislike it, that it's not your cup of tea, rather than bringing up some points which would make it seem like you didn't pay attention to the movie at all.


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May 22, 2017 11:48 PM
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Its KyoAni, what did you expect? I haven't seen the movie and I am a fan of the original manga but regardless of what I think of it, it's KyoAni, what did you expect? The amount of hentai parodies anything KyoAni touches spawn, despite how bad said thing is, is staggering. Ironically, the two best shows by KyoAni (Full Metal Panic and Clannad) spawned the least amount of porn.
May 23, 2017 12:51 AM

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I went in with a vague synopsis and no history with the title and it just left me angry by the end of it. If nobody else noticed the issues left with our heroine, then I'm a little disappointed.. It was great up until I realized the way the story's entire message was ruined by it. So the story went out very flat for me and kind of wrecked the whole deal. But, from my understanding, the manga rectifies my problems with the ending.

I guess I'll just have to give it a read to get the sour taste out of my mouth.
If the movie's job was to draw people to the manga, then it worked for me. Just in the wrong way.
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My mistake was assuming they had the same amount of information I had..
May 23, 2017 1:04 AM

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It should be higher than Kimi no Na wa by a large margin, so it deserves the first spot.
May 23, 2017 1:06 AM
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I was expecting a 10/10 movie but ended up watching an 8/10 movie. This anime was overhyped. Im gonna lower my expectation for kimi no nawa when I watch it.
May 23, 2017 6:42 AM
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I liked it. I agree with the guy that said the movie felt like a cut-down compilation of a TV series though, the pacing was really bizarre in places.
Cirno9 said:

Our "victim" is so fucking fake. The author tries to build empathy with her cuteness, but what else, her being excluded of that fake drama? It was a torture to watch that.

And our bully... omg never saw so much fake in one fucking character. Ever saw a bully who is physically weak? Me neither.

It's not like the show isn't aware of that though, that's why Ueno existed. As for the portrayal of bullying, if your only criticism is that it doesn't adhere to your personal experience then you need to reevaluate your worldview. Not being able to relate to something isn't the same as it being unrealistic, I've known plenty of bullies who were physically weak as a kid.

Cirno9 said:

Now tell me again after going through this, can you seriously not change as the victim? How am I supposed to believe the story if I just proved that you actually can change? It is partly the victims fault for not changing, if they want to not be bullied then fucking change yourself, do the first step.

What I am trying to say is, become invulnerable to bullying. If you don't have weak spots you can't be bullied.



Tell that to an 8 year old deaf kid with hearing aids
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May 23, 2017 8:09 AM
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No, I don't think so....
May 23, 2017 9:20 AM
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Overrated?
WTF? Nah man! It's better than i expected... i thought that kyoani would romancing the shit out of this, but i was wrong...

I don't quite understand this community...
If they think this is kind of average, how could it be any better than this?
i mean everything is there...
the thematic info, plot element, character functioning accordingly... even from duration you could instantly tell, kyoani is being serious about this one...

though still but an oppinion...
May 23, 2017 12:13 PM

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FunkyNano said:
I liked it. I agree with the guy that said the movie felt like a cut-down compilation of a TV series though, the pacing was really bizarre in places.
Cirno9 said:

Our "victim" is so fucking fake. The author tries to build empathy with her cuteness, but what else, her being excluded of that fake drama? It was a torture to watch that.

And our bully... omg never saw so much fake in one fucking character. Ever saw a bully who is physically weak? Me neither.

It's not like the show isn't aware of that though, that's why Ueno existed. As for the portrayal of bullying, if your only criticism is that it doesn't adhere to your personal experience then you need to reevaluate your worldview. Not being able to relate to something isn't the same as it being unrealistic, I've known plenty of bullies who were physically weak as a kid.

Cirno9 said:

Now tell me again after going through this, can you seriously not change as the victim? How am I supposed to believe the story if I just proved that you actually can change? It is partly the victims fault for not changing, if they want to not be bullied then fucking change yourself, do the first step.

What I am trying to say is, become invulnerable to bullying. If you don't have weak spots you can't be bullied.



Tell that to an 8 year old deaf kid with hearing aids


There are schools for kids like that. How hard is it to sign the form to join such a school? Ah I forgot, it would take up to 5 minutes of your lifetime and change the 8 YOs life :^)

Can you now stop quoting me ffs?
May 23, 2017 12:35 PM

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MrNTR said:
Its KyoAni, what did you expect? I haven't seen the movie and I am a fan of the original manga but regardless of what I think of it, it's KyoAni, what did you expect? The amount of hentai parodies anything KyoAni touches spawn, despite how bad said thing is, is staggering. Ironically, the two best shows by KyoAni (Full Metal Panic and Clannad) spawned the least amount of porn.


Oh, so thats why the amount of KnK fanarts is almost non existent.
May 23, 2017 1:32 PM
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Cirno9 said:

There are schools for kids like that. How hard is it to sign the form to join such a school? Ah I forgot, it would take up to 5 minutes of your lifetime and change the 8 YOs life :^)

Can you now stop quoting me ffs?

This is a forum. What are you here for if not to discuss the thread's topic? If you're gonna post an intentionally polarising comment then don't get touchy when people respond to it with their own perspective. Also that was the first time I quoted you.

Could be wrong on this one but I'm pretty sure Japanese schools don't fully cater for the deaf until middle school. And supposing they did, she'd almost definitely get bullied there too because wearing hearing aids is stigmatised in deaf culture, even more so in Japan because the disorder has a history of being perceived as a disease.
Sticking to one's minority doesn't eliminate the risk of bullying at all, fact of the matter is that people, especially children in their ignorant and fickle nature, naturally seek ways to distinguish themselves from others and usually end up ostracising them in the process.

You losing weight and getting a funkyTM haircut is all well and good, but using that as your template for how everyone should deal with bullying is more unrealistic than anything this show presented.
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May 23, 2017 2:38 PM

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Gave the movie an 8/10, which is a high score in my book (gave YN a 6 for comparison).

What I liked about the movie was its portrayal of the two leads as sympathetic characters in an uncaring Japanese society. I was able to see them grow as people and it felt real, so whatever happy moments they had felt well-deserved and satisfying.

Docked off points for a lot of the supporting cast feeling pointless at times and the honestly "eh" ending.

As to whether or not it's overrated, it's your call. Some people base their enjoyment off of intangible, unquantifiable feelings rather than a concrete sense of "plot was structured great, OST good", and that's totally okay. If people liked it, they simply liked it.
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May 23, 2017 3:07 PM

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Zapredon said:
I found it unrealistic that the group still get separated,him getting bullied back for bullying for so long and did not get over it even the bullying has happen long time ago. Seems like a cheap way to make things overdramatic.

The group is separated because they did terrible things to each other. I don't like to hold this against AnoHana, which I like a lot, but to me it feels more realistic and relatable than simply "this tragic event happened and we moved away forever", partly because there's blame and there are legitimate reasons for the characters to feel anger or regret and not be able to recover their bonds, let alone feel comfortable in the presence of the group.

Shoya on the other hand was bullied and as a result he lost all trace of self-confidence in social relationships. This is tackled in the movie when it emphasizes that even his best friends left him. Add to this the guilt of his past actions with Shoko and you have a character who consistantly hates and blames himself for everything. It is also implied that his current classmates aren't helping, either ignoring or trashtalking him. He was immediately exposed when Yuzuru sent the photo, that alone speaks volumes about his situation in there.

Overdramatic? His self-hatred, lack of confidence, awkwardness in social skills, and etc. were not alien for me at all. I've been there. I've felt ostracized after something ugly happened. Luckily not to his level but I wasn't involved in something as serious as Shoya either. The point is that bullying permeates, it leaves a scar in your personality, and if you are not the type of person who can easily adapt and move on this can be carried as a stigma for pretty much your entire life.

I also think that the focus is way less melodramatic than it could have been, since it is told under the point of view of somebody who exteriorizes his emotional issues as apathy. The scene where he tries to kill himself is dry and emotionally detached because we are seeing it through the lens of somebody who thinks so lowly of himself that he doesn't even consider suicide as anything less than what he deserves.
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May 23, 2017 4:24 PM

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A little disappointed Nishimiya and Ishida never became an actual couple by the end of the movie. I think it's safe to interpret they do at some point later, but that should have happened on screen imo. Especially since it's clear that they like each other and the only thing between them is a misunderstanding.

That aside, this movie was fantastic. Nishimiya's suicide attempt was as tense as it gets.
May 23, 2017 5:04 PM

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Cirno9 said:
FunkyNano said:
I liked it. I agree with the guy that said the movie felt like a cut-down compilation of a TV series though, the pacing was really bizarre in places.

It's not like the show isn't aware of that though, that's why Ueno existed. As for the portrayal of bullying, if your only criticism is that it doesn't adhere to your personal experience then you need to reevaluate your worldview. Not being able to relate to something isn't the same as it being unrealistic, I've known plenty of bullies who were physically weak as a kid.


Tell that to an 8 year old deaf kid with hearing aids


There are schools for kids like that. How hard is it to sign the form to join such a school? Ah I forgot, it would take up to 5 minutes of your lifetime and change the 8 YOs life :^)

Can you now stop quoting me ffs?
If you don't like it, then stop responding. This is a forum. You posted a post in a thread, expect to be quoted. If you don't like it, don't respond. Simple as that. I'm just going to assume you're trolling if you say stuff like "Stop quoting me" when you respond to a quote to you with another quote that can be quoted back with arguments.
May 23, 2017 5:09 PM
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I think that it is far from the perfect movie, and I think the most recent movie that comes close to that recently is Your Name. There are so many loose ends at the end, and not even loose ends used for dramatic effect, it's as if the studio realised that none of them actually mattered and that quietly dropping them would be okay.

The pacing feels slightly off throughout the majority of the movie, and some characters felt so insignificant that I treated their dialogue as something blocking the main plot. Honestly there are 2 of the 'friends' that could be cut from the film and I wouldn't care at all.

Despite all this, plenty about the film resonated with me. I loved the portrayal of guilt, and I thought that the way in which the main character changes was really effective in getting me to understand the impact of apologies in this movie, as I found myself having to forgive Shouya.

For me, calling it a 'masterpiece' is impossible. It simply has too many flaws to be deserving of that title.

I do think it was a very good film, however, and from my perspective, the ups of the movie more than made up for the issues it carried.

Then again, I quit watching Clannad after 3 minutes and proclaim that 5 centimetres a second is a 10, so maybe my views aren't relevant here.

Either way, my 2 cents on the matter has been dropped.
May 23, 2017 8:03 PM

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no, not at all it deserves the rating and everything

10/10 for me
May 23, 2017 8:54 PM
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Why do you call it Koe no Katachi?
Koe no Katachi means ''a shape of voice''in English.
By the way,Kimi No Na Wa means ''your name is'' .

Do you like discuss whether X is overrated? enjoy discussion?
If you don't like X, other people may like X. therefore, this discussion is nonsence.

then, don't quote Your Name.
Spirited Away, Your Name. and Princess Mononoke are special animated film in Japan and other countries. these are not for aniota.
A Silent Voice is overshadowed by Your Name.? the answer is no.
In Japan, most people guess this anime has successed thanks to Your Name. (of course, A Silent Voice is very good.) If Your Name. hadn't been released, not aniota wouldn't have watched A Silent Voice.

I like both Your Name. and A Silent Voice. Both location is Gifu.(Hida and Ogaki)
Makoto Shinkai raved A Silent Voice and gets along with Naoko Yamada.
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May 24, 2017 2:08 AM
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I agree with you, I think because people have been waiting for six or seven months that made the anime so popular, the story is new but it's an ordinary anime,manga was better than the anime especially the end,yes the anime was overrated..
May 24, 2017 2:21 AM

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Tyrel said:
Cirno9 said:


There are schools for kids like that. How hard is it to sign the form to join such a school? Ah I forgot, it would take up to 5 minutes of your lifetime and change the 8 YOs life :^)

Can you now stop quoting me ffs?
If you don't like it, then stop responding. This is a forum. You posted a post in a thread, expect to be quoted. If you don't like it, don't respond. Simple as that. I'm just going to assume you're trolling if you say stuff like "Stop quoting me" when you respond to a quote to you with another quote that can be quoted back with arguments.


Or maybe I'm just tired of 100s of people quoting me saying the same thing, even tho I made my statement pretty clear :^)


PS: Now I'll stop.
May 24, 2017 9:01 PM
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Okay so I felt it was okay.. it's just that it feels like it's missing 30 minutes or something. It could've been better IMO but I guess that's how life goes.
May 24, 2017 9:55 PM

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Didn't read entire thread--

I read the manga, it has a diff feel and impact on the manga. Movie was great, but imo definitely could've been better. Bummer about the OST, and I've expected that some scenes are not included. But if you read the manga, imo it's really great. I love the themes of it. In the movie, I kinda like how it ended.

Def read the manga, you could finish it in a day, no kidding
May 25, 2017 7:45 AM

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It was a bit too slow paced at times, especially around the middle, and the ending was pretty underwhelming. but overall I'd say it is still a decent watch, 8/10

Haven't read the manga but I heard it left out quite a lot of character development, which I feel is probably the case
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I don't understand why people think Clannad is so good.


It isn't. It's a bland and shallow adaptation of a great VN.
Jun 1, 2017 8:58 AM

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Yes, this is overrated. If there is more ueno scene then i will change my mind.
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Jun 1, 2017 12:28 PM
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The movie is a little overrated.

The premise of the movie is fantastic. The selling point of the whole story is the relationship between the two main characters. It's a shame, then, that the movie gets bogged down so much with all these side characters I didn't care about at all. I'm sure the side characters are better in the manga, but I didn't read the manga and I'm just talking about the movie here. The movie simply did not do enough to make me care about any of the side characters. I practically slapped my face at the ending of the movie. I can't believe the romantic subplot was dropped in favor of reconciling with all of the unlikable side characters. That was a colossally stupid decision I think.

The directing was messy. Naoko Yamada is so overrated as a director. Scene transitions were jumpy. It wasn't always clear what was trying to be conveyed in some of the quickly shown scenes which practically amounted to montages. I wasn't particularly impressed by the pov shots or the X over the faces metaphor. I don't see what's the big deal. I think most of the success of the film is due to the writing, which can be entirely attributed to the mangaka, not the movie director. Again, Yamada is overrated. K-on is overrated, and Tamako Market is mostly a waste a time. She's accomplished nothing else. Her career is being propped up by the immense talent of the animators at KyoAni.

The buildup to the girl's attempted suicide was lackluster. The movie didn't give me enough to feel like it was anything other than forced. I don't understand why the girl hated herself other than the conversation with Ueno. If that conversation is what caused her to attempt suicide, then fuck Ueno and fuck reconciling with Ueno so quickly. I can't believe they just brush this off. Ueno causes the girl to attempt suicide, and then beats her up outside of the hospital for attempting suicide? Fucking unbelievable. And yet, we're supposed to instantly turn around and forgive this horrible excuse for a person in 2 seconds at the end of the movie. Forget that.

Frankly, I can't believe the movie relied on such an overused cliche as a misunderstood love confession. They should have gotten together during that scene. But no, we can't have that because then we wouldn't have the forced suicide and all that drama later on. Thus I think the writing has problems as well.

Nonetheless, I was really liking this movie during the first half. I was prepared to give it a 10/10 and believe all the hype, but then 2nd half of the movie really disappointed me. I'm still in love with the premise of the film and a lot of the character moments from the first half of the movie. 8/10 for me. I'm just so disappointed by the missed opportunities and the questionable pacing / direction in the film.
Jun 1, 2017 1:11 PM

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it was a nice movie ill give it a 9/10( more like a 8,5) but the manga was better alot infact it explained things really better and had a slower development plus had a "little" better ending still empty but....in other way the movie skiped some stuff and felt like rushed at some parts and that ending another empty ending dafuk......felt those that only watched the movie should have been really confused some times..
i hope they kinda make a TV Anime version....with 24episodes would be so nice...p.p
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It can be overrated but not as overrated as Your name.
Jun 1, 2017 6:39 PM
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I've both read the manga and watched the movie.

I think it's indeed overrated. To me, it's closer to a 5/10 than to the 9/10 it has here (I've personally given it a 6/10).

The animation is great, the voices are amazing. The work on Shouko's voice is impressive. BUT. The movie plot has problems everywhere. Some characters lack depth (to the point that Mashiba in the movie is just a little more than a filler character that fills the seat in one of the classes, for example), some parts of the plot are ignored. Others are just told in a really fast and superficial way (like Ishida's intention to commit suicide).

The story in the manga was way more rich and fulfilling than this movie. To the point that, for me, the movie is just an accessory, an extra, to the manga.

I do not usually say the typical "read the source, don't just watch the movie"... I've never said it in LotR, Harry Potter or other big hits of the likes. But in this case, I feel forced to make an exception, as I deeply think this movie is not fair to the masterpiece the manga is.
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Others are just told in a really fast and superficial way (like Ishida's intention to commit suicide).

But that is the point. I mean, this criticism would make more sense if the movie hadn't made the stylistic decision of opening the character arc with his suicide attempt, with no proper context to deal with. That is shown later as his need for redemption is revealed and emphasized.

On the other hand the narrative is most of the time told through Ishida's viewpoint. I don't know how much of this is taken from the manga but it makes sense that Mashiba gets largely ignored because it is shown that Ishida thinks of him as an intruder who doesn't know shit about the past events and therefore has no ties with the drama of the group. And it also makes sense that his suicide attempt feels so devoid of impact and tragedy under this perspective, specially when confronted with Shouko's. Just the way this attempt is handled tells you a lot of things about Ishida's psychology and perception of himself, how isolated he is from the rest, even his own family, and how much he views suicide as the only thing he deserves and should follow naturally. Sorry, you gave an example I'm particularly inclined to defend xD

I mean, it sounds like there are fundamental differences in focus between the manga and the movie from what I read here that should be taken into account.
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I also think it's overrated.
The beginning was 9/10 for me, but as the story progressed, I started to get more and more pissed off. Especially after her suicide attempt.
When the protagonist (yeah, forgot his name already after 3 days) was in the hospital and had problems with talking I had hope for a really nice twist. That something got damaged when he fell and he's not able to talk properly anymore, which would partly put him in Shouko's situation. But of course everything ended happily with a frustrating ending as I bet many people were waiting for them to finally kiss or something.
It wasn't bad, I mean. I was just disappointed since the movie started really nicely and got kinda boring as it progressed. The famous suicide scene didn't impact me much either. I don't feel slightest empathy for Shouko, partly because her personality never got actually revealed and she was just an annoying, apologizing mess in the end. Which is a giant shame, since I'd like to know her more, guess I need to read the manga.
I would rate the movie 7,5/10 but there's no way and 8 is too high
Jun 11, 2017 2:21 PM

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THERE IS NOT SUCH THING AS OVERRATED ANIME! That is bullshit invented by idio... peoples who like to feel that they oppinion or taste is above others. Basically the Snow Flakes of the anime comunity.

Every viewer has his/her own oppinion. Everyone enjoys anime in a different way. The fact that a bunch of peoples loved it, while you found it average, doesn't means that the anime is overrarted, it just means that you found it average while others loved it. The only overrated thing here is your own oppinon, as long as you belive that t wheights more than the one of the others.

Next time I should make a thread too: ''Are chessburgers overrated? Because I hate them...''
Jun 12, 2017 1:12 AM

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I liked the movie because they cut out a lot of the annoying bits. The manga seemed to go in circles, bringing together and separating the characters and then bringing them together again and separating them because a new problem had come up. It didn't feel genuine to me.

The movie, however, was a pleasant surprise. They managed to make scenes in the manga I thought were completely overdramatic or otherwise missed the mark much more on-point. I still think that whole 'rushing out of the hospital to coincidentally meet Shouko on the bridge' part was kind of dumb, but that the way Kyoani used the anime medium to weave drama and meaning into the scene made it much better.

One scene that felt off was when they all started yelling at each other on the bridge and Ishida falls down and proceeds to grind a nail into each of their weak points. There wasn't enough build-up, though I felt the manga overdramatised it as well. Something else the manga did well was the scene collage where Ishida is trying to cheer Shouko + Yuzuru up. It didn't feel nearly as off-putting in the anime (which is not a good thing).

Due to time constraints, character arcs had to be cut. I'm a big fan of Kawai's "arc", which they unfortunately only hinted at. When Ishida says "You like yourself" at the bridge, it doesn't have the same impact because we haven't really seen enough of her to think that she's a narcissist, or that "something's off". I'm a little annoyed that one of my favourite characters got most of their characterisation cut. This goes for Manibe, too, who was treated even more poorly. Only one line hints at his attitude toward bullying, and this isn't brought up again even when it's clear that he knows Ishida bullied Nishimiya. Thankfully, the wonderful and nuanced animation makes up for the lack of more outward characterisation. It's amazing what you can convey about a character by the way they move and talk.

However, I felt they massively improved Ishida's character. A lot to say about that, but I'm not gonna say much more.

Yuzuru is also incredibly improved, if only because the animation serves well to create even more nuanced characterisation.

Cutting out all of the repetitive bits did a lot to improve the overall narrative AND characters, I think. It feels so much more grounded and real than the serialisation.
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Hootja said:

The buildup to the girl's attempted suicide was lackluster. The movie didn't give me enough to feel like it was anything other than forced. I don't understand why the girl hated herself other than the conversation with Ueno. If that conversation is what caused her to attempt suicide, then fuck Ueno and fuck reconciling with Ueno so quickly. I can't believe they just brush this off. Ueno causes the girl to attempt suicide, and then beats her up outside of the hospital for attempting suicide? Fucking unbelievable. And yet, we're supposed to instantly turn around and forgive this horrible excuse for a person in 2 seconds at the end of the movie. Forget that.


It wasn't Ueno that caused her to jump from the balcony. It's Ishida's fault for failing to treat Nishimiya as an equal; as an actual friend. It's Yuzuru's fault for doing the same thing. Ueno is the only person who is willing to engage with Nishimiya as an equal - which is why she's the only one that she can tell that she hates herself.

She jumps not because Ueno said that, but for a multitude of reasons. She jumps because her grandmother died, and that depresses her. But she pretends nothing is wrong anyway, and continues on like usual with a disingenuous smile.

She jumps because of all the things that Ishida has been trying to do to cheer her up. Every time he does something for her (with that fake smile, that fake laughter and the harmless words), it makes her realise what a pain she is to everyone around her, and that she'll always be dragging everyone down with her. She can see the guilt and suffering in Ishida's eyes every time he looks at her.

She jumps because she's sick of the charade and she thinks that her entire existence is completely pointless. She's not having fun; she's just going through the motions.

I wouldn't pin that on Ueno. The most she's done is remind her of what she already knows. She's been suicidal for a long time; Yuzuru started taking the photos of creepy things to dissuade her from that, remember?

I mean, I have read the manga (a year and a half ago), but the movie made all of this much more apparent and made me realise things that I hadn't before.

Frankly, I can't believe the movie relied on such an overused cliche as a misunderstood love confession. They should have gotten together during that scene. But no, we can't have that because then we wouldn't have the forced suicide and all that drama later on. Thus I think the writing has problems as well.


This is actually the point. The original manga was based on the premise of bullying someone because they don't understand them. In other words; rather than attempt to understand that person, our protagonist feels annoyed and disgusted by her. Not my favourite theme, but hey, I've actually experienced this several times in my life - and while I've never outright bullied them, I immediately cut off all contact with them as soon as I could. I felt they pulled off that emotion quite well.

The same goes for this scene - Ishida is trying to ease his guilt by becoming friends like Shouko originally wanted, but he doesn't actually understand her. He doesn't really try to. He always makes small talk, and never actually talks about anything deeper than that. it's a charade. 「月」and 「好き」are very similar (minus the 't' sound which is mostly inaudible). The thought that it's the latter never crosses his mind, because he's never done anything but make small talk. "The moon is pretty, isn't it?" is just the kind of small talk he's been making with her all this time.

Ishida seems to think that he's already confronted Nishimiya, and now all he has to do is keep talking to her like a normal friend would do and he can repay his debt. Well, that, and he's constantly trying to 'protect' Nishimiya, too. He's willing to speak on a deeper level to Yuzuru (who is also trying to protect Nishimiya) and to a lesser extent with Nagatsuki, but he's afraid of doing that with Nishimiya because he doesn't want to hurt her. It's all pleasantries, politeness - 建前. Reminds me of something from Oregairu: "if you care about someone, you have to resign yourself to the fact that you will hurt them."

Sure, it's a cliche scene (though I'd say it's subverted somewhat in that it's not exactly a genuine confession or a typical denial), but it's not without meaning. it's just another sign that Ishida isn't really "listening" to Shouko.
Jun 13, 2017 1:51 AM

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Hootja said:
The movie is a little overrated.

The premise of the movie is fantastic. The selling point of the whole story is the relationship between the two main characters. It's a shame, then, that the movie gets bogged down so much with all these side characters I didn't care about at all. I'm sure the side characters are better in the manga, but I didn't read the manga and I'm just talking about the movie here. The movie simply did not do enough to make me care about any of the side characters. I practically slapped my face at the ending of the movie. I can't believe the romantic subplot was dropped in favor of reconciling with all of the unlikable side characters. That was a colossally stupid decision I think.

The directing was messy. Naoko Yamada is so overrated as a director. Scene transitions were jumpy. It wasn't always clear what was trying to be conveyed in some of the quickly shown scenes which practically amounted to montages. I wasn't particularly impressed by the pov shots or the X over the faces metaphor. I don't see what's the big deal. I think most of the success of the film is due to the writing, which can be entirely attributed to the mangaka, not the movie director. Again, Yamada is overrated. K-on is overrated, and Tamako Market is mostly a waste a time. She's accomplished nothing else. Her career is being propped up by the immense talent of the animators at KyoAni.

The buildup to the girl's attempted suicide was lackluster. The movie didn't give me enough to feel like it was anything other than forced. I don't understand why the girl hated herself other than the conversation with Ueno. If that conversation is what caused her to attempt suicide, then fuck Ueno and fuck reconciling with Ueno so quickly. I can't believe they just brush this off. Ueno causes the girl to attempt suicide, and then beats her up outside of the hospital for attempting suicide? Fucking unbelievable. And yet, we're supposed to instantly turn around and forgive this horrible excuse for a person in 2 seconds at the end of the movie. Forget that.

Frankly, I can't believe the movie relied on such an overused cliche as a misunderstood love confession. They should have gotten together during that scene. But no, we can't have that because then we wouldn't have the forced suicide and all that drama later on. Thus I think the writing has problems as well.

Nonetheless, I was really liking this movie during the first half. I was prepared to give it a 10/10 and believe all the hype, but then 2nd half of the movie really disappointed me. I'm still in love with the premise of the film and a lot of the character moments from the first half of the movie. 8/10 for me. I'm just so disappointed by the missed opportunities and the questionable pacing / direction in the film.



100% wrong, wow...

Jun 13, 2017 1:55 AM

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Kittens-kun said:
Hootja said:
The movie is a little overrated.

The premise of the movie is fantastic. The selling point of the whole story is the relationship between the two main characters. It's a shame, then, that the movie gets bogged down so much with all these side characters I didn't care about at all. I'm sure the side characters are better in the manga, but I didn't read the manga and I'm just talking about the movie here. The movie simply did not do enough to make me care about any of the side characters. I practically slapped my face at the ending of the movie. I can't believe the romantic subplot was dropped in favor of reconciling with all of the unlikable side characters. That was a colossally stupid decision I think.

The directing was messy. Naoko Yamada is so overrated as a director. Scene transitions were jumpy. It wasn't always clear what was trying to be conveyed in some of the quickly shown scenes which practically amounted to montages. I wasn't particularly impressed by the pov shots or the X over the faces metaphor. I don't see what's the big deal. I think most of the success of the film is due to the writing, which can be entirely attributed to the mangaka, not the movie director. Again, Yamada is overrated. K-on is overrated, and Tamako Market is mostly a waste a time. She's accomplished nothing else. Her career is being propped up by the immense talent of the animators at KyoAni.

The buildup to the girl's attempted suicide was lackluster. The movie didn't give me enough to feel like it was anything other than forced. I don't understand why the girl hated herself other than the conversation with Ueno. If that conversation is what caused her to attempt suicide, then fuck Ueno and fuck reconciling with Ueno so quickly. I can't believe they just brush this off. Ueno causes the girl to attempt suicide, and then beats her up outside of the hospital for attempting suicide? Fucking unbelievable. And yet, we're supposed to instantly turn around and forgive this horrible excuse for a person in 2 seconds at the end of the movie. Forget that.

Frankly, I can't believe the movie relied on such an overused cliche as a misunderstood love confession. They should have gotten together during that scene. But no, we can't have that because then we wouldn't have the forced suicide and all that drama later on. Thus I think the writing has problems as well.

Nonetheless, I was really liking this movie during the first half. I was prepared to give it a 10/10 and believe all the hype, but then 2nd half of the movie really disappointed me. I'm still in love with the premise of the film and a lot of the character moments from the first half of the movie. 8/10 for me. I'm just so disappointed by the missed opportunities and the questionable pacing / direction in the film.



100% wrong, wow...
literally every single one of your posts are white knighting and defending anime from non-positive opinion

get a hobby
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Jun 13, 2017 1:58 AM

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GangsterCat said:
Kittens-kun said:



100% wrong, wow...
literally every single one of your posts are white knighting and defending anime from non-positive opinion

get a hobby



And you're a dead beat troll.

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Kokorowagurasu said:
So last night after a long day of college and work i downloaded the movie and watched it.

Just pointing that I have read the manga and love the shit out of it, prob my favorite so far.

I will first cover my impressions on the execution:

I felt so weird about how the story was presented, the progression from scene to scene felt disconnected for me, I felt like there was no "bridge" between one scene to another, it made the plot look rather random for me. I can't explain exactly I don't think pacing is the right word, but it felt like it was a montage of an anime series made by a fan, with a bunch a scenes thrown together, that you can't really grasp the plot when watching, it made me feel super distant from the history, I felt the exact same problem with scenes progression in the latest Ghost in The Shell live action. Usually good stories make you feel like you're living the story yourself.

A lot other things like when they presented that Shoya was going to kill him self, I felt nothing... while in the manga that made me pretty sad. Maybe that's why there was a better build up for that in the manga, tbh I thought the transition from the bully from Nishimiya to Shoya was just random, they didn't "explain" why, and the whole movie felt like that for me, a bunch of "hey guess why that happened" or maybe is because I've already know the plot prior to that?

Now for the plot:

I already knew they would cut a lot of things from that, but I felt that the exposure to nishimiya was so light that I made me feel little empathy for her and the bully she suffered, it was totally different for me in the manga.
Now one of the things that made me fall in love for the manga was the depth they've given to the side characters, one of my favourite parts was when the narrative switched from Shoya to the side character in question so you could see the contrast between what people thought they were like and what they were really like, their thoughts, insecurities, that was just pure art.

As a result I felt nearly no emotion through the whole movie, despising having cried through the whole manga, I don't know if I was to tired or biased because I've read the manga, the only scenes that did something for me were the ones in the very end.

So I was really tired when I watched it, I will watch it again and I will read some parts of the manga again, I hope it was just me who was tired and not the movie as disappointing as it felt for me :(

Please can someone tell me if you feel the same, or not at all, about the story progression and the execution of it? Also, do you know if that what I described has a name? It is not pacing, I think.

Yeah, this basically sums up what I thought about the anime. So the manga is better uh.. I might check it out........ BUT 7 volumes................................. I don't like manga that much but I'll check it out probably..


I suppose that would sum up why the scenes felt so disjointed. I swear Kyoto Ani has the bizarre methods of adapting source material. I about flipped my shit that they adapted the first four novels of Hyouka and didn't even touch the fifth. It would make a lot more sense for them to make a Hyouka movie and a TV series of this instead of the other way around.
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I really don't like this kinds of threads, not necessarely because it was created (which from the start is already repetitive, almost every top rated and popular animes have this kinds of discussions, an anime have an high rating/ is popular because most people love it/ it gathers attention. Simple like this) but because most of the discussion afterwords is pointless.
Also, why is this thread almost twice as big as the Kimi no na Wa's "slighly" overated thread when the episode discussion for KnnW is almost three times bigger than KnK?
Anyway this movie is rated highly probably because of pretty colors, cute main female character, relatable main male character, the premisse and the basic emotions that it is capable of delivering. This is what the normal people that watch it like.
But many will not even understand the movie and like it anyway, although this doesn't work for everyone making they think it is just ok, average or bad. This movie isn't has easy to understand like Kimi no na Wa is (even the weebs will like it and because of this it is for now 1# on MAL)
This two videos explains a few things that the normal anime watcher might not understand.

This video that explains hidden mensages in the movie and how simbolic details and lack of sound and silence helps telling a story.


This one helps understanding in how each characters are and think in the running of the movie (mainly and most importantly the two main characters).


And finally this one is about the director's style (and about it's carrer if you give a crap about that, its always good to know about who makes the things that you watch.
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it is underrated if anything it should be in the top 5 at least and kimi no na wa should be not in the top 5 and gintama to
Since Koe no Katachi has a very high rating her on MAL, rated by nearly 100k users currently should we try to upvote the movie on the worlds largest database related to films? This movie only has around 4,5k votes at the moment. Let's all vote and make the rating higher?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5323662/

if we make it more popular it will raise more money so it will support the anime industry and make anime more popular between all the peoples since IMDb is not an anime site
so more quality anime will be made
Jun 18, 2017 12:06 AM
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GohanwaOkazu said:
"Tolerating and even trying to be friends with the bullies" is an important matter dealt in the manga and the movie; that's why Ueno hates Shouko for being insincere (in a way), that Shouko only extended superficial courtesy to others (except Shouya); that she wasn't really that interested in forming true relations with others but always smiled as a means of defense so that bullying would not happen (as explained in the Ferris wheel scene). Ueno is even more mad when Shouko does that thing after the fireworks, because in a way she has refused to communicate with others and thought that everyone else's unhappiness was caused by her and she had better died, and by that selfish and easy decision (from the slightly twisted point of view of Ueno) Shouko injured other people. Yuzuru couldn't stop Ueno slapping Shouko, because she saw some truth in what Ueno had been saying. Stop smiling and fight back was Yuzuru's (and their mother's) attitude toward the bullies, but for Shouko who had been bullied all along, even smiling needed courage as below her smiling facade she was desperately trying to live a life (as revealed to Shouya at the classroom brawl scene).

... Therefore, Viteracf probably doesn't understand what sort of complex issues are dealt in the film. No one including the heroine in this film is perfect; they have shortcomings, and that's why the film is more interesting as a human drama.

That's why it's so poor, because it fails to make it clear Shoko is in no way at fault for being bullied (and no one has to be literally perfect not to deserve to be bullied, anyway. But she basically is, there's nothing she does wrong at all, her only flaw is being too forgiving). There is no indication she didn't sincerely want friends, and that's contradicted by how she responds when anyone reaches out to her, even Shoya despite that he was vile to her before and she's now in a new school so she needn't accept his overtures just to escape bullying.
Jun 18, 2017 2:29 AM

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Oh hell no! This movie is amazing, and for me it's slightly better than Kimi no na wa.
But they are both almost perfect and it's not a surprise that they are so high in ranking.
I hope we can get more and more new movies/animes like these ones.
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Every popular anime will have some people thinking it's overrated nothing new. In my opinion, Anohana is more overrated
Jun 18, 2017 8:12 AM
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if you've been in similar situations you might understand the movie a bit more, i enjoyed this movie a lot definitely a masterpiece in my book♡
Jun 19, 2017 6:24 AM
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I dont think its overrated.
The 10 or 9 that mean to others is just different than yours.
for me it is just too good.
A 10/10
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