Sword Art Online (light novel)
| Just go and watch more anime, go back to SAO, then you'll understand. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
| Be less gay and hate SAO |
| Compare SAO to anything, that isn´t shit, then you have your answer. |
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Menzo- said: Just go and watch more anime, go back to SAO, then you'll understand. ^I can agree with that SAO was one of the first anime I watched, and I enjoyed it quite a lot. Looking back its not particularly good, I wouldn't call it that bad though. I think SAO gets a lot of hate just because its popular to hate it. Its not a good anime by a longshot, but its not the spawn of Satan either like some people make it out to be. |
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Elijah_Parr said: if you liked it you should be able to say whyi don't know why but i really liked sao Elijah_Parr said: its not true incest either since they are cousins so us purist find that annoyingalfheim was bad because incest Elijah_Parr said: think most people just had a problem with her becoming a sex object since she almost got raped twice and her parents were giving her up for marriage while in a coma meaning they don't think she has free willand asuna becoming less of a main character |
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| >Join date May 2017 >Completely empty profile The bait is strong in this one Some people just got tired of seeing a self-insert-Mary-Sue whose sole purpose was to be the wish fulfillment of an MMO gamer who failed to git gud and could only dream of playing at the top. Yes I'm talking about the author. |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
| That's a lot of text for a meme anime like SAO. |
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| I don't know, SAO was average in my opinion, but maybe i'm just lax on it because it was my first anime. I only really disliked the female characters (even "Jesus-kun" himself didn't really bother me) because it felt like a collection of chicks that are practically useless when Kirito is around. Asuna is the exception, Mothers Rosario proved this. Alfheim was pretty disappointing, especially since the whole idea of SAO taking place in, you know, SAO, was completely thrown out the window for this practically useless second world. The only thing I hated about season 2 was the Excalibur arc, mostly because all the the characters I hated from before were back. The also turned Sinon into another one of Kirito's side chicks, but I called that one from a mile away. It's really up to you, form your own opinions |
| lol who's alt are you again? do we really need this thread again? fanbase so salty that their show is shit. |
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| SAO is just a generic power fantasy shounen that taps into the MMO player fanbase +and to add to that its the harem type whit dozens of mindless females. but the real problem is that it does nothing right, relationships, characters, story, setting (doesn't appeal to others outside of the MMO players), fight choreography, the voice actors (at least the japanese ones), the music, the opening the only competent thing about the show was the animation, and the way it tapped into the MMO player base, before SAO it wasn't this obvious that they were this starved for a powerfantasy/harem. |
| I don't think this thread is intended as bait. The frequency of new users registering who are SAO fans, and have this reaction to the reviews etc., must be very high. And SAO negativity looks worse from within the otaku subculture bubble. I have a white American friend in his late 20's who has attended a university in Japan for multiple semesters, and his Facebook cover photo is Kirito and Asuna. I don't think he's aware it could be seen as something to be ashamed of, except in the general "anime is for losers" sense. These are anecdotes of a tiny sample size, but I found the contrast interesting: Geoff Thew / Mother's Basement reported at the Ordinal Scale theater screening he attended in Vancouver, "half" of the crowd seemed to be laughing at serious moments. Digibro reported that in Virginia, he and his friends were the only ones doing that. Are Vancouverites more "in the know?" Today I rediscovered this quote about the original Star Wars trilogy, and it seemed fitting for my recent/current enjoyment of SAO II, which I've been watching for the first time: "We may cringe at the cliches, feel embarrassment at the way, despite ourselves, we thrill to the heroics or become wet-eyed at the sentimentality, but we will be in the minority. Lucas, like Sam Goldwyn 'one of the lucky ones whose great hearts, shallow and commonplace as bedpans, beat in instinctive tune with the great heart of the public, who laugh as it likes to laugh, weep the sweet and easy tears that it likes to weep,' speaks not to the jaded, fastidious, or analytical, but to those to whom hearing an old story well retold remains the greatest and most enduring of pleasures." -John Baxter, "Mythmaker: The Life and Work of George Lucas," as quoted here: http://www.adherents.com/people/pl/George_Lucas.html It may be a stretch to describe SAO as "well-told," but it's functional. A thought I've had this month, while watching SAO II, is that the enjoyment I get out of SAO feels very similar to Tenchi Muyo, the first anime I watched on Toonami, in 2000. Both shows' protagonists are self-insert lame teenage "Mary Sue" boys who become obscenely OP and come to be desired by many women. I'd say that Tenchi Muyo's world is far better, and it's much easier to take seriously. I generally find its harem's members annoying, while SAO's are pleasant. And Tenchi Muyo falls short of SAO in that none of Tenchi's four plus different universes have ever given me a romance conclusion that really satisfied me. When I watched SAO in 2015, after a four-year period in which I watched no anime at all, I found it extremely refreshing because of Kirito and Asuna's relationship. Youtuber @Digibro is known as the most prominent critic of SAO in English-speaking otaku culture, and says the show is the worst anime he's ever finished. But he praised it for that reason: "Kirito and Asuna's relationship, what makes it work so well - at least in my opinion, why I think it's the best part of the show - is that it is just a functional relationship with no extra complications, no anime bullshit. I watch a lot of rom-coms and stuff, where the idea is that two characters are in love, but the plot of the show is that they can never hook up. And every once in a while, you get a strong, great romance, like Kare Kano, where it's really about exploring the dynamic of two people together, and Sword Art Online is not that. I'm not saying it's a great romance story. But it is just a fucking romance: just two characters falling in love, having time together, wanting to spend time together, fighting for their ability to spend time together - you know, being a legitimate fucking couple who have intimacy and care about each other - which is something that you don't get a lot of in anime! Or in fiction in general." https://youtu.be/SkFeAc-xaPM?t=8m15s Coming back to SAO now, two years and several list-weeks of anime later, that rings incredibly true. Crimson_V said: setting (doesn't appeal to others outside of the MMO players) I've never played an MMO. But I like The Matrix. In the 90's I watched Star Trek characters get trapped in a suddenly deadly holodeck. Doctor Who had an episode in 1976 in which the Doctor enters the computer world of "the Matrix" on Gallifrey, and is attacked by digital enemies controlled by the Master. It's just a thing that happens on TV. http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Deadly_Assassin_(TV_story) http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Matrix |
nDroaeMay 28, 2017 6:06 PM
Elijah_Parr said: please explain why Sao was bad, i'm kinda new to anime :P SAO isn't bad. It's actually one of the better anime out there. It gets even better if you read the novels. I did not watch SAO as a newbie. I was experienced with the medium at the time SAO came out. And SAO stood out among the rest. Why? * Because it is a sci-fi anime about things that are relevant to modern people - computer games! And it is written by a person who has actually played modern games himself, not by a dumb parent out to demonize games. All those people who complain about lack of cyberpunk anime - they do not understand that cyberpunk is dead. Cyberpunk future is on our doorstep, and it's nothing like the predictions. * Because it is an action anime that isn't a dumb battle shounen that wastes screentime on endless training montages and repetitive battles. Anime doesn't have to justify everything - it can go straight to the good parts with a minimum of explanation. The audience (or at least me) are not fools. We can figure out ourselves the MCs trained a lot and fought many battles to get to this point. Hell, we can even watch something as disjointed as Bikini Warriors, because we have seen it all before. We can even watch Maoyuu, which starts with the Hero facing the Demon Lord. * Because, like @nDroae has said, it is an actual good romance. Something anime sorely lacks. * Because the hero is the right kind of person. A computer nerd/geek/otaku. Not another one of those dumb fucks I disliked as I grew up. Representation! Anybody who criticizes this kind of protagonist is surely part of the problem and not my kind of person. * Because the characters are well-written and believable in general. Elijah_Parr said: I actually liked GGO. It brought something new and it gave kirito a freaking lightsaber for gods sakes. plus sinon was a cool character. The rape scene (?) thing with recon and sinon felt really weird tho. kinda unnatural in a way. Kyouji Shinkawa is not Recon (Shinichi Nagata). In fact, Recon was never mentioned after his "suicide" in Fairy Dance arc. Presumably, he distanced himself from Suguha because she left him for Kirito. Edit: wiki says Recon was seen in Mother's Rosario arc. |
flannanMay 29, 2017 11:14 AM
Menzo- said: watched 150 anime and still sao is one of the bestJust go and watch more anime, go back to SAO, then you'll understand. |
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Reiisawh_re said: what does it have to do with being gay explain unless u are trollingBe less gay and hate SAO |
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kikyo1hinamora said: Well if that's the case then it just means you have shit taste.Menzo- said: watched 150 anime and still sao is one of the bestJust go and watch more anime, go back to SAO, then you'll understand. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
AnimeXHunter said: Compare SAO to anything, that isn´t shit, then you have your answer. Subspace12 said: this wasn't scare one nothing was told about what he did before that gameSAO was bad since all the characters were over-hyped pieces of garbage and the main character started out as a bad ass from square "ONE". I mean come on, cant we get at least one story where the character isn't a god among men and actually make him learn form his mistakes as we the viewer journey alongside him. Im talking series like FLCL where we were growing up with our hero learning right from wrong and owning up to our mistakes. we need a hero like that, the only way the could have won me over was if they started the series from Kiritos early days of gaming. sheesh... and i don't think it was mentioned he was born as a hero |
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Menzo- said: or u are the one with shit taste and it is probably youkikyo1hinamora said: Well if that's the case then it just means you have shit taste.watched 150 anime and still sao is one of the best |
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kikyo1hinamora said: Everyone has shit taste, including me.Menzo- said: or u are the one with shit taste and it is probably youWell if that's the case then it just means you have shit taste. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
kikyo1hinamora said: AnimeXHunter said: Compare SAO to anything, that isn´t shit, then you have your answer. Subspace12 said: this wasn't scare one nothing was told about what he did before that gameSAO was bad since all the characters were over-hyped pieces of garbage and the main character started out as a bad ass from square "ONE". I mean come on, cant we get at least one story where the character isn't a god among men and actually make him learn form his mistakes as we the viewer journey alongside him. Im talking series like FLCL where we were growing up with our hero learning right from wrong and owning up to our mistakes. we need a hero like that, the only way the could have won me over was if they started the series from Kiritos early days of gaming. sheesh... and i don't think it was mentioned he was born as a hero His point is that Kirito is a godlike hero from the start of the show and is supposed to be seen like that by the viewer. Whether he was or not before is of no relevance. Also, you have some of the most pisspoor speeling and grammar I´ve ever seen. Why did you even quote me? |
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AnimeXHunter said: kikyo1hinamora said: this wasn't scare one nothing was told about what he did before that game and i don't think it was mentioned he was born as a hero His point is that Kirito is a godlike hero from the start of the show and is supposed to be seen like that by the viewer. Whether he was or not before is of no relevance. Also, you have some of the most pisspoor speeling and grammar I´ve ever seen. Why did you even quote me? sorry was a mistake " Whether he was or not before is of no relevance" this is is wrong just doing a prequel to the first season showing how he became so strong(even if it is not mentioned in the LN ) would explain why the mc is overpowered which is one of the most popular arguments that people use to prove that sao is shit |
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kikyo1hinamora said: AnimeXHunter said: His point is that Kirito is a godlike hero from the start of the show and is supposed to be seen like that by the viewer. Whether he was or not before is of no relevance. Also, you have some of the most pisspoor speeling and grammar I´ve ever seen. Why did you even quote me? sorry was a mistake " Whether he was or not before is of no relevance" this is is wrong just doing a prequel to the first season showing how he became so strong(even if it is not mentioned in the LN ) would explain why the mc is overpowered which is one of the most popular arguments that people use to prove that sao is shit 1. There is no prequel. "There could be a prequel" is no point, because there is no prequel. 2. This still doesn´t change the fact, that he gets massive plot armor to make him almost godlike in the animes universe. Even if he had a backstory, the anime itself is fundamentally flawed. 3. Neither would it change that Kirito is a boring character only there so guys can feel like they´re the cool dude, who is always the best at everything. Prequel hasn´t happened, won´t happened, probably will suck and doesn´t excuse anything. The anime is still fucked, with or without it. |
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| Cause Asuna ruined the show when she "married" Kirito |
| Good God, the romance was horribly executed, cookie cutter characters and the story was written as if they threw darts on the wall and said "aha! that's the next plot!" SAO quality? puh-lease. |
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| It's not a bad anime, still better than a lot of crap came out every season. I think the hate of SAO more like because of the annoying fanbase, and LN readers who are disappointed of the anime adaptation. |
| Because you're seen as a big boy after hating it. In 2012, people hating SAO had good reasons to do so since they were in the minority at the time. Nowadays, hating SAO is cool, so everyone just uses the same reasons and choice of words to hate it. Not ignoring the actual people with good reasons to dislike it. I watched SAO around mid of my anime career. Still a very enjoyable show. While I recognize the bad in it, I can't ignore the good elements about it. Anything can be viewed badly if you're overly-critical. |
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LordSovereign117 said: AnimeXHunter said: His point is that Kirito is a godlike hero from the start of the show and is supposed to be seen like that by the viewer. Whether he was or not before is of no relevance. Also, you have some of the most pisspoor speeling and grammar I´ve ever seen. Why did you even quote me? Yes because it's "godlike" to helplessly watch all your friends die in front of you and not being able to do a damn thing about it. That sure is "godlike". Lmfao. I swear I never thought I'd meet a group of people more pathetic then 9/11 truthers until I meet you hate bandwagon queers. At least their stupidity is based on reality. Obama did 9/11, the moon landing is fake, the world government is run by jews. |
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| Ugh, this is the last time I'm replying to a Sao thread. SAO BEST ANIME 2012. GG M8, EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES HAS SHIT TASTE AND IS GAY! REM = SHIT, RE:ZERO IS BAD. FMAB IS AVERAGE. KIRITO -> BOKU NO PICO -> EDWARD On a serious note: if you really want to know why I love Sao the way I love Sao just pm me |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
| i agree that many people hate on SAO because it is popular to hate on it, but personally i really do believe it is a bad show. i was into anime ever since i was a little kid, but i only started actively watching anime and seeking new good things to watch around the time SAO came out. i remember hearing from my older sister, who knew i liked MMO games, that there is a show she didnt watch but thought i would enjoy. after that, i started watching the show, and at first i actually liked it- it was cool, it seemed like it was going to be different, and it satisfied my cravings for an MMORPG anime. but basically after the 2nd or 3rd episode it got really bad, and i had a very hard time watching the rest of it because of that. when i got to the end of the first half of season 1, i thought to myself: "hey, this was bad, and the ending was very anti climatic, boring and annoyingly bullshit-ish, but at least the epilogue was satisfying" but then they completely destroyed everything good that was left to destroy on the start of the second half. i couldnt bring myself to watch any more of it. seriously, i ragequit from the video and closed my internet browser. and to the light novel fanbase of the show, ive always wondered how can the light novels be "so much better" when the whole base of the show is this terrible. now, before you say anything, yes- i did come here only to say how much i dont like this show, and how much you are wrong for saying it is good (you can like it though). however, i advise you not to focus on this fact but instead on my opinion and arguments regarding SAO. |
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Groznij said: Menzo- said: Just go and watch more anime, go back to SAO, then you'll understand. ^I can agree with that SAO was one of the first anime I watched, and I enjoyed it quite a lot. Looking back its not particularly good, I wouldn't call it that bad though. I think SAO gets a lot of hate just because its popular to hate it. Its not a good anime by a longshot, but its not the spawn of Satan either like some people make it out to be. Agree. SAO was my first anime and then I rewatched it when I had 500+ completed and I still gave it 7/10. OT: Popular hate aside, main problem with SAO, imho, is how bad it is from technical side of storytelling. Just look at first 14 episodes (Aincrad arc): it jumps all over the place with badly placed time skips. Romance feels unnatural. Kirito is very bland and has pretty much no character. Then after story seems to end we get "Thank You Mario, But Our Princess is in Another Castle". While it's not adaptation's fault, it just adds to negatives when one looks at anime. ALO antagonist was also incredibly bad. Just random psycho made to be disliked. Personally I liked GGO more than first 2 arcs from more technical side. Aincrad felt more interesting and fun, but GGO was just better arc/adaptation imo. Then 2nd half of 2nd season... idk, it felt like some side story. Still, SAO isn't bad anime. Most people who hate it just jump on bandwagon thinking it makes them cool. That or they never saw actually bad anime. |
| the only shows that i would consider worse than SAO are Toaru Majutsu no Index, Cheating Craft, and of course, my least liked anime (or anything) of all time: Mahou Sensou. being better than Mahou Sensou is the only redeeming factor of SAO. |
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LordSovereign117 said: AnimeXHunter said: Obama did 9/11, the moon landing is fake, the world government is run by jews. Jews? I think you meant skin changing reptilian space overloads. But nice deflection all the same. >implying shouting "hater" and "troll" everytime someone disagrees with your opinion isn´t deflection. Typical behavior of a space jew. |
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