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RayofVictory said: I still think the biggest offender of this was Arc-V, with Real Solid Vision allowing the monsters to be used as literal weapons of mass destruction, as we saw with Chaos Giants wrecking Heartland and the 4 Dragons destroying the original dimension. It honestly makes much more sense in Vrains, because they're supposed to be in a virtual space, not in the real world. And people dying irl if they die in Vrains is just dumb. As I said above, this is nothing more than a cheap plot device used to artificially rise the stakes so the protagonist has an excuse for not losing. If Link Vrains was really that dangerous, you would think SOL Technologies would take measures and prevent people from accessing it. The show has barely started and there are already such huge plot holes. That's why I'm saying Vrains is bad. Yeah, that was beyond stupid on Arc-V too. That's another reason why I'm disappointed with VRAINS, I thought they would stop with this but it seems they won't. |
RayofVictory said: And people dying irl if they die in Vrains is just dumb why is that such a huge problem ? Matrix had the same deal and no one complained ? Also if i remember correctly dying is the first case scenario, you can also get injured.Also it just adds a bit of tension , it does not greatly add to the plot to complain about it being a plot device. Why dont they take it down since its so dangerous ? Probably cuz people who invented it are the true villains and we dont know their motives cuz its just a second bloody episode. dem you people complain way too much |
RayofVictory said: that seems like a big stretch dontchathink? That only means duels like this ona hoverboard versus antagonistic people trying to kill yusaku will be life threatening not all duels, there will probably be tons of non life threatening duels and likley be ones where yusaku loses, i mean yusaku's next duel apparently is already confirmed to be agaijnst revolver already and they clearly wont kill off either of them and I expect yusaku to lose if they face this early. NeoAnkara said: And that's what they do. SOL have their own defense system and it's usually up and strong. Thing happen just because they decide to forsake their own defense system in an attempt to use large scale scanning to search Ignis. Zaizen even warn Bishop of that fact but he still decide to do it anyway since he deem finding Ignis is more important. Typical organization way of doing thing. This doesn't change the fact its just a cheap plot device without any actual substance that probably won't be adressed much, if at all. When writers don't know how to rise the stakes even further, they just throw someone's life on the line. Because in normal curcumstances, if Yusaku loses he will just lose possession of Ignis and then continue hunting down the knights like he has always done. But now if he loses, he will die, so he can't lose. They did the exact same thing with Yuma-Astral in Zexal. This is honestly a writer's technique I'm not exactly fond of and makes things seem more important than they actually are. Hell even in zexal which you mentioned, in the first 10 episodes yuuma loses 2 duels, 1 against shark and then one against kaito. Its not like this makes them invincible to losing. Also keep in mind the numbers thing in zexal only left a negative impact for astrla if they lose, in vrians these types of duel can kill both parties so its not like how in zexal some random stalker cat girl's crush on yuuma will bring about a life threatening danger to astral, these will only get life threatening if yusaku is fighting someone legit trying to kill him. Having death being present isnt really a cop out at all unless its used as one not inherintly being there. it could be one but my entire point is you are stretching really far at guessing what the show is going to pull based off of only 2 episodes. |
JizzyHitlerMay 20, 2017 7:58 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Right now SOL is still on gray area. Cyverse is most likely something akin to Numeron Code in Zexal that it can rewrite entire network or a core that holding the network. Their reason is still unknown right now but I can say that at the very least they want to keep technological manipulation. Also Zaizen is Aoi brother so it's save to assume that she will have significant role considering Zaizen himself still have moral even if he end up following Bishop order latter. There is also guardian of Cyverse which I think will make contact with other duelist like Ignis did with Yusaku. At the very least I think the blue one will go with Aoi color codded and all. |
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JizzyHitler said: RayofVictory said: that seems like a big stretch dontchathink? That only means duels like this ona hoverboard versus antagonistic people trying to kill yusaku will be life threatening not all duels, there will probably be tons of non life threatening duels and likley be ones where yusaku loses, i mean yusaku's next duel apparently is already confirmed to be agaijnst revolver already and they clearly wont kill off either of them and I expect yusaku to lose if they face this early. This doesn't change the fact its just a cheap plot device without any actual substance that probably won't be adressed much, if at all. When writers don't know how to rise the stakes even further, they just throw someone's life on the line. Because in normal curcumstances, if Yusaku loses he will just lose possession of Ignis and then continue hunting down the knights like he has always done. But now if he loses, he will die, so he can't lose. They did the exact same thing with Yuma-Astral in Zexal. This is honestly a writer's technique I'm not exactly fond of and makes things seem more important than they actually are. Hell even in zexal which you mentioned, in the first 10 episodes yuuma loses 2 duels, 1 against shark and then one against kaito. Its not like this makes them invincible to losing. Also keep in mind the numbers thing in zexal only left a negative impact for astrla if they lose, in vrians these types of duel can kill both parties so its not like how in zexal some random stalker cat girl's crush on yuuma will bring about a life threatening danger to astral, these will only get life threatening if yusaku is fighting someone legit trying to kill him. Having death being present isnt really a cop out at all unless its used as one not inherintly being there. it could be one but my entire point is you are stretching really far at guessing what the show is going to pull based off of only 2 episodes. I'm perfectly aware of what the show is going to pull, considering its written by Yoshida, the man who loves repeating himself. Seriously, if you're even slightly familiar with him, you should know instantly that this is going to be yet another rip-off of DOMA. Yoshida always writes the exact same story, with the exact same character stereotypes filling the exact same roles, with the exact same twists happening the exact same way. Every. Single. Time. And no, this is not an exaggeration. Have you watched DOMA? Then you've already watched Dark Signers, Zexal, and probably Vrains as well. juicykitten95 said: RayofVictory said: And people dying irl if they die in Vrains is just dumb why is that such a huge problem ? Matrix had the same deal and no one complained ? Also if i remember correctly dying is the first case scenario, you can also get injured.Also it just adds a bit of tension , it does not greatly add to the plot to complain about it being a plot device. Why dont they take it down since its so dangerous ? Probably cuz people who invented it are the true villains and we dont know their motives cuz its just a second bloody episode. dem you people complain way too much You're mistaken if you think they're going to show people actually dying. They won't. This was just used to artificially rise the stakes so the protagonist has an excuse for not losing. And it doesn't add tension, it takes away tension actually, precisely because of it you know the protagonist is never to going to lose a life-threatening duel. It only makes duels more predictable than they already are. The way I see it, they're trying to turn Yusaku into another self-insert card game Jesus like Yusei that never loses. And that was the main reason I hated Yusei so much in 5D's. |
RayofVictoryMay 21, 2017 1:11 AM
| Umm....sorry. Are you guys missing something? where did this "if he lose the duel = he dies" come from? I thought they meant if his VR form takes damage from falling to the ground from high place or crashes with some objects , his real body will be affected in some way. LP becomes 0 from losing the duel won't kill anyone as long as they don't fall to the ground. He will probably have to do speed duel with Go or Blue angel at some point in the future and it won't be life-threatening duel. |
Marina2 said: they specifically said the feedback would be enough to kill his real life body if he fell off his board. The reason this is life threatening is simply cause the knights of hanoi hacked the vrains world from the firewall it had protecting it. Umm....sorry. Are you guys missing something? where did this "if he lose the duel = he dies" come from? I thought they meant if his VR form takes damage from falling to the ground from high place or crashes with some objects , his real body will be affected in some way. LP becomes 0 from losing the duel won't kill anyone as long as they don't fall to the ground. He will probably have to do speed duel with Go or Blue angel at some point in the future and it won't be life-threatening duel. RayofVictory said: JizzyHitler said: that seems like a big stretch dontchathink? That only means duels like this ona hoverboard versus antagonistic people trying to kill yusaku will be life threatening not all duels, there will probably be tons of non life threatening duels and likley be ones where yusaku loses, i mean yusaku's next duel apparently is already confirmed to be agaijnst revolver already and they clearly wont kill off either of them and I expect yusaku to lose if they face this early. Hell even in zexal which you mentioned, in the first 10 episodes yuuma loses 2 duels, 1 against shark and then one against kaito. Its not like this makes them invincible to losing. Also keep in mind the numbers thing in zexal only left a negative impact for astrla if they lose, in vrians these types of duel can kill both parties so its not like how in zexal some random stalker cat girl's crush on yuuma will bring about a life threatening danger to astral, these will only get life threatening if yusaku is fighting someone legit trying to kill him. Having death being present isnt really a cop out at all unless its used as one not inherintly being there. it could be one but my entire point is you are stretching really far at guessing what the show is going to pull based off of only 2 episodes. I'm perfectly aware of what the show is going to pull, considering its written by Yoshida, the man who loves repeating himself. Seriously, if you're even slightly familiar with him, you should know instantly that this is going to be yet another rip-off of DOMA. Yoshida always writes the exact same story, with the exact same character stereotypes filling the exact same roles, with the exact same twists happening the exact same way. Every. Single. Time. And no, this is not an exaggeration. Have you watched DOMA? Then you've already watched Dark Signers, Zexal, and probably Vrains as well. juicykitten95 said: why is that such a huge problem ? Matrix had the same deal and no one complained ? Also if i remember correctly dying is the first case scenario, you can also get injured.Also it just adds a bit of tension , it does not greatly add to the plot to complain about it being a plot device. Why dont they take it down since its so dangerous ? Probably cuz people who invented it are the true villains and we dont know their motives cuz its just a second bloody episode. dem you people complain way too much You're mistaken if you think they're going to show people actually dying. They won't. This was just used to artificially rise the stakes so the protagonist has an excuse for not losing. And it doesn't add tension, it takes away tension actually, precisely because of it you know the protagonist is never to going to lose a life-threatening duel. It only makes duels more predictable than they already are. The way I see it, they're trying to turn Yusaku into another self-insert card game Jesus like Yusei that never loses. And that was the main reason I hated Yusei so much in 5D's. Whatever you say but i think you are stretching things really far based off really small info, again the fact that they already addressed how life threatening duels work kind of nulls this complaint cause it only is going to be life threatening when against the knights or similar folk, a vast majority of the duels will very likley not have life threatening stakes and we might already see yusaku losing in the next couple episodes if he really goes up against revolver already like the magazine article someone posted on /a/ implied. like at least give it a couple of duels before saying it will follow the same format writer or not, I dont recall season 4 of GX being anything like doma and that was written by him, yet season 3 of GX was massively similar in stakes to how DOMA was and yoshida had nothing to do with it,. |
JizzyHitlerMay 21, 2017 9:23 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| >tfw everyone despised Arc V so much they forced themselves to forget about the things Yuzu did, who also had a better character since the start Smh. An okay episode but for a series about SPEED the animation was pretty wonky at times. I know it was probably done for the aesthetic, but still. I already like the Astral clone, he's pretty cool. Yuusaku's voice is really good. |
RukaliiniMay 22, 2017 1:30 PM
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| So animated duel links. Cool i guess. Got tired of that game a while ago. Wonder if there's a Kaiba Corp in this universe, since there is a Kaiba Corp in the game. |
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JudgeRuthless said: So animated duel links. Cool i guess. Got tired of that game a while ago. Wonder if there's a Kaiba Corp in this universe, since there is a Kaiba Corp in the game. duel links is the most when when you play it with insta 8000 pts mod |
| So this duel reminds me of duel links. 3 monster - 3 spell. also skill. Btw I like naming of that card. e.g = DDos Attack, Cyverse Beacon, Stack Reviver. Made me become computer geek. |
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thats cuz it is duel links |
CLBGM said: Oh, no wonder I thought they felt similar. Agreed, the original passionate duelist was the superior track but the VRAINS one is still pretty good though.Lelouch0202 said: Does anyone feel like they're using a remixed version of Passionate Duelist for the soundtrack? The composer is actually the same of the original YGO Duel Monsters. He's kinda making a reference to that track (the VRAINS one is not too amazing tho). |
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| Good save Blue Angel 0.0 Just watching this for the new rules im guessing skills are only an anime thing not in actual real life dueling lol. |
Hinata said: Good save Blue Angel 0.0 Just watching this for the new rules im guessing skills are only an anime thing not in actual real life dueling lol. skills are a thing in duel links |
| Okay, that was a bad episode. One, having a duel happen in between 1 and 3 doesn't make this series look at all great. That was just one single duel. Two, how is a skill lettin this fight get better. Imo, just cheap and usless. Third, Link summoing is bad. Fourth, how the fell are people saying this show is good, or it's better, imo Vrains first 13 episode are far worst than Arc-V episode 54 onwards, not to mention VR having 4 recaps in under 40 epiosde. Finally, the plot makes no sense and Revolver seems like you generic 90's villian. It feels like mini-arcs each time and after the “heroes” win, the villains just start planning again. It feels like I’m watching the Pinky and the Brain where each time the KOH lost, Spectre just starts the next arc asking what they’re going to do as Revolver say, “the same thing we’re going to do every arc, we’re going to destroy Link VR” |
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| Okay, that was awful. The pacing was all over the place. They wasted too much time on explanations and it felt the duel was unnecessary dragged out. And the duel itself was probably the worst opening duel of any series so far. Shameless Duel Links advertising. I don't know who's genius idea was to base an entire 3-year show on a mobile app. Is Duel Links really that popular? And don't get me started on Skills. Its obvious they're just a cheap plot device like Action Cards. And the hoverboards are just lame. So far they look like a more budget and limited version of D-Wheels. Honestly, why can't we have normal duels that doesn't involve gimmicks like these? I know they said that Master Duels will also be featured, but given how Speed Duels are supposedly the main duel format of the show, and given the amount of non-Riding Duels in 5D's and non-Action Duels in Arc-V, that doesn't gives me much of a hope. And the part about your real body dying if you take enough damage in VR was completely unnecessary and was only used to needlessly rise the stakes and create artificial tension. I don't want to sould like I'm hating just for the sake of it, but I'm honestly amazed at how people can call this "good" and "dark", when it is mediocre at best and it isn't darker than the standard YGO show. Typical Yoshida bullshit so far. Its still early to judge it, as there are only 2 episodes out, but its honeslty looking pretty bad. |
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| 3 Main Monster and Magic/Trap zones. Speed Duel! Cracking Dragon. 3000 ATK. Pot of Greed is a skill now. Blue Angel saved Playmaker. Dem flashbacks. STORM ACCESS! Sore wa dou kana. Kirifuda. Link shokan? Decode Talker? Decode End! Playmaker won. |
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| Great episode and duel! I'm loving Vrains and Yuusaku was very cool and competent! |
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