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Manaban said: The not blood-related loophole is one I want to die and so I can fully understand why people complain about that. The unfavorable comparisons to OreImo also hold a good deal of water because it does seem to desparately try to capture what made OreImo liked and popular and just doesn't live up to it. I feel like it doesn't totally come up short in all of those regards, but it does sort of feel like a poor man's version of it. That said, I like it quite a bit. The more hyperbolic examples of such just want to complain about something having appeal for being a fanservicey bit driven by cute girls and comedy. The first review on the page in particular really like it tries hard to say "I'm like you guys but I care about these things more and you should too," which just seems like it's always an insincere and cynical attempt to just force ideals and morals and just trying to imprint the idea of viewing things through their lens more than anything. Trust me, I like cute girls and lolis as much as the next guy does, but somewhere somehow we need to draw the line and notice when our intelligence is being insulted. Later in that exact same review: I found it very sickening how cynical and shamelessly Eromanga Sensei tries to bait the siscon/lolicon audience. Countless promising shots of the girls (especially the FREAKING 10-YEAR-OLD) are shown to obviously excite the viewer and trust me, I don't want to be the normie guy who trashes the sexualization of kids in anime, but these are literally middle schoolers. So yeah. Most of the hate seems to be moralfags being moralfags, moralfags trying to create a false sense of credibility to push their views in a cringey way that can only be compared to this, or people who think it's just a lesser version of OreImo and falls totally short compared to its spiritual predecessor. The only one of these three that I feel shouldn't be dismissed/ignored are the last group, the bulk of it seems to be just prudish nonsense. If it is dislike that isn't just rooted in non-loli non-wincest type complaints in general then it wouldn't be a problem imo, but the bulk of complaints seem to fall into those 3 categories and I feel like only one of those three isn't worthless drivel. Personally I dont feel Oreimo comparisons are worth anything because really the show is not getting a ton of hate, and a lot of it is from Oreimo fans who are just pissed this is not a carbon copy. Rather then Oreimo v2 it seems more like Oreimo unchained to me. Most of the character interactions are outlandish, slap stick, with fan service in between. Oreimo fans seem to be the most upset, because its so unlike Oreimo. At the least, I dont see the show in any sense whatsoever trying at all to mimic Oreimo. Jaa81102423 said: Most people who hate this anime either: 1) didn't watch it at all and are just hating on the incest thing. 2) have no idea whatsoever, in the slightest, how story telling works. This is definitely not the best anime of the season nor even among the better ones and you can think what you want of it, like it or not, but the real true fact is that this anime is well written and does what it wants to do right. Personally I'd prefer if people would just avoid these anime or drop them when they feel like it's not their cup of tea instead of hating for the sake of hating. This is how I feel, the Western armchair analytics are trying to extract Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion out of everything these days and thats not even what the Japanese market wants or is paying for. They are paying for Sagiri, not deep stories. I mean what was the best selling shows of 2016 Love Live Sunshine and Yuri on Ice? Give me a break these people are just pathetic, are genuinely clueless as to the state of the medium and Japanese market and luckily their pleas and cries are not heard at all in Japan. This show is 110% doing what it wants to do right. Pleasing Westerners is dead ass last on that last, thank god. |
| Let me say this now: I do not hate the show, I find enjoyment in it, but a lot of things bug me about it and definitely makes this show a mixed bag for me. I don't really care for the incest complaints, my beef with this show is the characters and the plot really. I feel like this show can't figure out what it wants to be and it feels like it forcing a lot of things. The characters just seem too inconsistent and uninteresting to me. Sagiri especially. For example, calling her brother a pervert and getting mad at him, but is obsessed with stripping down girls and drawing their panties and not mention loves to draw ecchi... give me a fucking break. Then the kimono girl confesses to the MC out of nowhere and then the MC gives an equally ridiculous reply saying he loves his sister when honestly, she's really done nothing to win that love considering he doesn't even really know her that well (and I thought he didn't love her in a sexual way, what the fuck is going on?). The characters make no sense to me and not in a funny way because the show is trying to make them seem like people we should take seriously. I'm confused with many of the characters motives and some of their traits seem so stereotypical and lame, it makes it frustrating to watch them because none them really diverge much from their base tropes. Sagiri really pisses me, she's my least favorite part of the show and I feel like she holds the MC back, I'd honestly rather have Elf be the main girl and she isn't necessarily great either. If youre gonna do a dumb fun show that's fine, look at Love Tyrant, which doesn't take itself seriously at all and knows exactly what type of show it is and its awesome. This show, doesn't know what it wants to be. It tries to put in drama and realism while trying to be ridiculous and unhinged, but it in the end it feels forced and awkward, and I don't like that one bit. It's territering on an odd line and can't really commit to either side. Instead of being a nice blend, it ends up feeling like its fighting between the two. The comedy and scenarios just feel so forced and stale, but it's enjoyable to watch and it can be kind of funny, enough to make me want to keep on watching. People trying to crique this as a piece of literature definitely need to step back and consider what this series is aiming to appeal to, and that's fine! There's nothing wrong with these type of shows, I like them! But my argument is that it just isn't that great, even within its own genre. It leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me. |
LoomyTheBrewMay 22, 2017 2:22 AM
| Mainly because of its premise and mere reason of existance. Because it spends 4-5 episodes messing around just trying to get the appeal of the viewers by baiting with fanservice and ridiculousness and its actual plot is worthless (and how boring this is, wow). Also -Abyss_Walker- said: I don't think the problem is incest per se here. Koi Kaze is a nice, albeit uncomfortable, watch. There's a difference between the actual concept and a product made solely to cater an idealized fetish. Lots of SJW cucklords in the western community, of course they won't admit it. |
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| A lot of people are basically upset because this is just Oreimo with a different name and a different cast, written by the same author. To the average person, this is enough to hate it. I don't disagree, but I think the show is different enough to be enjoyed either way. Also, if you tackle it from the approach that the author didn't get to end Oreimo the way he wanted it to, because the brother and sister were actually blood related, you can see why Eromanga-sensei exists. Yes, Japan DOES flip out over blood related incest stories. Look into how Yosuga no Sora was reacted to by both the officials and public of Japan. |
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vytah said: There are multiple things wrong with this show. Many people mention fanservice and "incest-but-not-really", but I don't care about that. The main thing that is wrong is that the show doesn't make sense, characters are a bunch of idiots and drama is forced and manufactured. (I watched only 6 episodes and I don't plan on watching more. The following spoiler buttons can contain untagged spoilers for various episodes.) And that's only the tip of the iceberg. And it wouldn't be that bad, if the show was at least funny or interesting. But it isn't. EDIT: I watched OreImo and it was better. There was the theme of clash between otakus and normies (including the parents), the harem grew more naturally, brother-sister relations didn't go to "I'd fuck you, but you're my sister" in just 4 episodes, characters made more sense and so on. That last one really pushed the show into the no fly zone for me. I am just now getting around to change my rating. I was liking it so much before stupid fly by night character. |
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Lordwen said: Mainly because of its premise and mere reason of existance. Because it spends 4-5 episodes messing around just trying to get the appeal of the viewers by baiting with fanservice and ridiculousness and its actual plot is worthless (and how boring this is, wow). Also -Abyss_Walker- said: I don't think the problem is incest per se here. Koi Kaze is a nice, albeit uncomfortable, watch. There's a difference between the actual concept and a product made solely to cater an idealized fetish. Lots of SJW cucklords in the western community, of course they won't admit it. You are just regurgitating a stale and overused line that holds no merit. The show is actually quite positively received at the moment and will probably be close to the best seller this season. Its hardly niche and Oreimo was hugely successful too. People keep pretending the little sister angle is niche when its not, sales figures show this, and your just repeating what you see others post online. "fanservice and ridiculousness" is exactly right, thats what the author went for like plenty of anime in this genre do and dont do much better then this show save for a few examples. |
Reikuo said: I wonder why you're using the sales argument. I'm perfectly aware sex sells (and in anime teasing does a thousand times more). I'm also completely conscious that A1-Pictures wouldn't be adapting LN after LN if their predictions weren't in an economic gain. That's basically what they're specialised in doing over any other animation studio. Lordwen said: Mainly because of its premise and mere reason of existance. Because it spends 4-5 episodes messing around just trying to get the appeal of the viewers by baiting with fanservice and ridiculousness and its actual plot is worthless (and how boring this is, wow). Also I don't think the problem is incest per se here. Koi Kaze is a nice, albeit uncomfortable, watch. There's a difference between the actual concept and a product made solely to cater an idealized fetish. You are just regurgitating a stale and overused line that holds no merit. The show is actually quite positively received at the moment and will probably be close to the best seller this season. Its hardly niche and Oreimo was hugely successful too. People keep pretending the little sister angle is niche when its not, sales figures show this, and your just repeating what you see others post online. "fanservice and ridiculousness" is exactly right, thats what the author went for like plenty of anime in this genre do and dont do much better then this show save for a few examples. I've watched the first episodes myself, so I'm not simply spitting bullshit nor regurgitating what others posted. No need. What I can tell is that I couldn't have enjoyed anything coming from this show without being a degenerate or a retard, and for the former I bet you have better options everywhere. It's very easy to tell what scenes are meant to catch the attention (like, introducing one character by constantly saying dicks). That's no fun, that's the show undisguisedly shouting in your face LOOK HOW DARING I AM, HAHA, RETWEET. As of why people likes it, I'm not going to be one of those pricks that makes threads asking "muh why so many people rates this series higher than me". I honestly don't know, but I also don't care. However, as the thread was asking for the hate, then it was easy for me to answer why I find this series disgusting. |
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Lordwen said: Reikuo said: I wonder why you're using the sales argument. I'm perfectly aware sex sells (and in anime teasing does a thousand times more). I'm also completely conscious that A1-Pictures wouldn't be adapting LN after LN if their predictions weren't in an economic gain. That's basically what they're specialised in doing over any other animation studio. You are just regurgitating a stale and overused line that holds no merit. The show is actually quite positively received at the moment and will probably be close to the best seller this season. Its hardly niche and Oreimo was hugely successful too. People keep pretending the little sister angle is niche when its not, sales figures show this, and your just repeating what you see others post online. "fanservice and ridiculousness" is exactly right, thats what the author went for like plenty of anime in this genre do and dont do much better then this show save for a few examples. I've watched the first episodes myself, so I'm not simply spitting bullshit nor regurgitating what others posted. No need. What I can tell is that I couldn't have enjoyed anything coming from this show without being a degenerate or a retard, and for the former I bet you have better options everywhere. It's very easy to tell what scenes are meant to catch the attention (like, introducing one character by constantly saying dicks). That's no fun, that's the show undisguisedly shouting in your face LOOK HOW DARING I AM, HAHA, RETWEET. As of why people likes it, I'm not going to be one of those pricks that makes threads asking "muh why so many people rates this series higher than me". I honestly don't know, but I also don't care. However, as the thread was asking for the hate, then it was easy for me to answer why I find this series disgusting. Well I dont disagree with any of that because I originally said nothing of the actual content of the show other then I dont see many titles in the same genre that are very much better then this show. Being harem romcoms. I said its doing well, which it is, but not that it was good or your wrong for thinking its not. I just dont think you can say the show is "a product made solely to cater an idealized fetish." The only reason your saying that is because its a little sister romance which is a genre that has mainstream titles. Oreimo has proven there are thousands of people outside of this "fetish" that would enjoy the show, and I certainly doubt that the bulk of profit the show made came from people who do have it. Beyond that, there is nothing else in the show that is bizarre or not typical of any other mediocre harem romcom. |
HaXXspetten said: Because muh incest and underage girls makes it #kimoi Idk, people have more SJW traits than they like to admit I guess What I find funny though is how shows like let's say New Game gets almost universal praise for just having moe girls in the entertainment industry doing cutesy things together mixed with fanservice, yet something like Eromanga-sensei which is doing basically the exact same thing is somehow unforgivable Hypocrisy at its finest The attitude of viewers to incest is very funny. Many seem to hate it, but when it appears in the title, most viewers shiping precisely it because "moe". And the same thing happens with another "forbidden" romance. denimetteo said: Because western anime fans are bunch of dick suckers who cant contradicts between a reality and fantasy. This anime is for pure entertainment and people think this anime deteriorate the human intelligence of the prohibition of incest This works not only with anime. Similarly, a new film from the Alien's series was criticized because of accusations that the characters behave like degenerates and die quickly. |
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| I hate dislike it because: 1. it sexualizes children which I find simply uncomfortable to watch 2. the male MC is dense and generic like your typical harem protagonist 3. very poor "jokes" like "all girls my age love dicks" - was I supposed to laugh or what? 4. I don't get Sagiri's personality at all, she's emotionally unstable and her character traits seem incoherent - she seems completely random and just doesn't make any sense (it wouldn't be such a big problem in case of a side character but she's the mc..) 5. that guy has literally let his sister stay in her room for a year and through all this time he was giving her everything she needs so that she doesn't even need to go out like it was totally okay for her to isolate herself like this and drop out of shool at the age of 13 - really? he treats her like a pet not like a human being, and I'm supposed to believe that he cares for her as his sister? 6. why do all these children live alone with no adults - I hate lazy writing like this 7. the whole "drama" is being built upon stupid misunderstandings which is something I really dislike in romance anime I'll probably be able to list much more reasons when I watch more episodes and my score for this show is likely to drop at this rate, this anime brings a whole new meaning to the word "creepy", not even kidding. Honestly, I liked OreImo, it was enjoyable even for some people who aren't into incest and stuff, but this one just looks like some kind of a wet fantasy and it doesn't bring anything interesting to the table - just panders to otaku who are into lolis, incest and harems. The premise really sounded interesting for me and I was expecting something 5-6/10 watchable but I feel like they are totally wasting the potential (which was never big to begin with, but it could've been at least a somewhat enjoyable show). In other words - this show dissapointed me. |
fuyukiMay 23, 2017 6:21 AM
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| It's not necessarily bad, just overhyped as all hell. |
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| Still, I though this topic was aimed at the ones rating this series 1/2 by saying "hating so much" in the title which doesn't oppose people finding the show average or "just bad". :o Bozzzz said: One brings up high production costs and argues that people should like it because a lot of money was spent. While the best rated review (scored 1) claims the show is bad because there is moe girls, amiright? Also I don't get why people are so tense with the so-called incest stuff here? What make incest relationshit taboo? The fact you share the same blood? The fact you lived together since youth? The fact you're living under the same roof? Or the fact the child of an incest couple could have a mental disorder? Also, accepting an incest relation in a show doesn't mean you re interested in your siblings, like if you don't mind gay couple doesn't mean you're gay as well. :/ And for those who said the MC just want to bang his sister, like... really? |
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Bozzzz said: denimetteo said: Because western anime fans are bunch of dick suckers who cant contradicts between a reality and fantasy. This anime is for pure entertainment and people think this anime deteriorate the human intelligence of the prohibition of incest I would have no problem with it if it was just discussed in some fettish corners but it's fans leak to everywhere in forums. It's just censored hentai and I'm sure could find hentai with a better plot. Sometimes you just gotta revel in the chaos. Its always a more interesting season when there is such a divisive show. |
| It's main focus appears to be an incestuous relationship with a loli. You know, the most common low-brow insult that the western anime community has. It's no different then the hate explosion for Boku no Pico. It's aiming for a niche demographic, get's exposed to the masses, and because it's thematically clashed with morals/values of the masses, everyone gets a massive hate boner for it. Quick eidt: I'm only going off of what little I know of the series. |
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| It's time to address the real problem with the show, Ero manga sensei is out right offensive to writers. We have highschool teenagers making successful light novels that only takes a day to make when real life impressive works take months possibly years to get published. There is no way Masamune can support himself and Sagiri with this life style. The way they handle light novel culture within this anime is painting it with a coat of lies. Actual writing in business is ridiculous work, not happy go lucky hell that only lasts for a day. Sagiri is a terrible representation of a shut in. She is an unbelievable character, and don't tell me "it's fiction, it's not real" when Sagiri gets away with every single bullshit imaginable of being a shut in. She is well dressed for someone who doesn't care about going outside, somehow is well bathed when she has zero bathroom problems when shut ins never leave their room. Did Masamune never saw this girl go to the bathroom before? Does she piss in bottles? Shit bucket? How is her room so clean? This is not a shut in's room. Sagiri is this perfect 12 year old otaku's wet dream that ignores reality. It's downright disgusting that they ripped out shut in people's negative traits from her just to make her more appealing. Also this show insults artists. How, please tell me how a girl with infinite internet access can't look up references? And seeing this real life crap is only an excuse for Sagiri to pose for the camera and also perv on others. She calls Masamune a pervert while she isnt? What a hypocrite! I feel like some creepy pedophile spying on a 12 year old girl when the camera pans over Sagiri. It's creepy. Artist now a days can use any sort of reference online, that is how they get better. A shut in that needs real life references is doomed to fail. And why...why does a 12 year old draw erotic anime pictures for a year? Why would she even draw that? And in my honest opinion the worst part is about marketing this show as a siscon show. Masamune and Sagiri only saw each other TWICE before the plot moved on. Their interactions with each other is not a brother and sister relationship. They barely know each other! Sagiri is just some 12 year old shut in that lives with Masamune. How can Masamune talk positive aspects of his so called step sister when he barely knows her? I get it, they are labeled as step siblings but that is a poor observation when they don't even treat each other as such. If you like siscon then I think it's a poor siscon anime when the brother and sister don't even treat each other as such. The idea of siscon is that your little sister idolizes you and you do your best to raise your little sister. Masamune is a horrible brother and treats Sagiri like some hot bangable Loli that lives in his house. And there is the appeal of step sibling romances in anime. In the end it's a stupid reason for a shut in to have a handle in this world to lose their virginity. A step sister is a hot woman that lives in your house. So yeah, this show fails to even be a siscon anime when it markets it as such. The forced drama is another aspect. Think of it like this, why did this happen? And if a problem keeps on persisting for the same reason then it becomes really annoying. Sagiri won't say her feelings, Masamune looks like an idiot. The girls continue to hit on Masamune to piss off Sagiri but apparently have feelings for him too? Why do this? Why say lines that are PURPOSLY vague?!? This show drags on for the stupidest of reasons and they wear and tear on you the more they happen. So those are the reasons this show is widely hated. |
ArondightDestinyMay 24, 2017 12:56 AM
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ArondightDestiny said: It's time to address the real problem with the show, Ero manga sensei is out right offensive to writers. We have highschool teenagers making successful light novels that only takes a day to make when real life impressive works take months possibly years to get published. There is no way Masamune can support himself and Sagiri with this life style. The way they handle light novel culture within this anime is painting it with a coat of lies. Actual writing in business is ridiculous work, not happy go lucky hell that only lasts for a day. Sagiri is a terrible representation of a shut in. She is an unbelievable character, and don't tell me "it's fiction, it's not real" when Sagiri gets away with every single bullshit imaginable of being a shut in. She is well dressed for someone who doesn't care about going outside, somehow is well bathed when she has zero bathroom problems when shut ins never leave their room. Did Masamune never saw this girl go to the bathroom before? Does she piss in bottles? Shit bucket? How is her room so clean? This is not a shut in's room. Sagiri is this perfect 12 year old otaku's wet dream that ignores reality. It's downright disgusting that they ripped out shut in people's negative traits from her just to make her more appealing. Also this show insults artists. How, please tell me how a girl with infinite internet access can't look up references? And seeing this real life crap is only an excuse for Sagiri to pose for the camera and also perv on others. She calls Masamune a pervert while she isnt? What a hypocrite! I feel like some creepy pedophile spying on a 12 year old girl when the camera pans over Sagiri. It's creepy. Artist now a days can use any sort of reference online, that is how they get better. A shut in that needs real life references is doomed to fail. And why...why does a 12 year old draw erotic anime pictures for a year? Why would she even draw that? And in my honest opinion the worst part is about marketing this show as a siscon show. Masamune and Sagiri only saw each other TWICE before the plot moved on. Their interactions with each other is not a brother and sister relationship. They barely know each other! Sagiri is just some 12 year old shut in that lives with Masamune. How can Masamune talk positive aspects of his so called step sister when he barely knows her? I get it, they are labeled as step siblings but that is a poor observation when they don't even treat each other as such. If you like siscon then I think it's a poor siscon anime when the brother and sister don't even treat each other as such. The idea of siscon is that your little sister idolizes you and you do your best to raise your little sister. Masamune is a horrible brother and treats Sagiri like some hot bangable Loli that lives in his house. And there is the appeal of step sibling romances in anime. In the end it's a stupid reason for a shut in to have a handle in this world to lose their virginity. A step sister is a hot woman that lives in your house. So yeah, this show fails to even be a siscon anime when it markets it as such. The forced drama is another aspect. Think of it like this, why did this happen? And if a problem keeps on persisting for the same reason then it becomes really annoying. Sagiri won't say her feelings, Masamune looks like an idiot. The girls continue to hit on Masamune to piss off Sagiri but apparently have feelings for him too? Why do this? Why say lines that are PURPOSLY vague?!? This show drags on for the stupidest of reasons and they wear and tear on you the more they happen. So those are the reasons this show is widely hated. People wonder why Eromanga Sensei is going to outsell Attack on Titan next month, here is a prime example. FYI its not widely hated, it will be getting a second season. RIP |
Reikuo said: ArondightDestiny said: It's time to address the real problem with the show, Ero manga sensei is out right offensive to writers. We have highschool teenagers making successful light novels that only takes a day to make when real life impressive works take months possibly years to get published. There is no way Masamune can support himself and Sagiri with this life style. The way they handle light novel culture within this anime is painting it with a coat of lies. Actual writing in business is ridiculous work, not happy go lucky hell that only lasts for a day. Sagiri is a terrible representation of a shut in. She is an unbelievable character, and don't tell me "it's fiction, it's not real" when Sagiri gets away with every single bullshit imaginable of being a shut in. She is well dressed for someone who doesn't care about going outside, somehow is well bathed when she has zero bathroom problems when shut ins never leave their room. Did Masamune never saw this girl go to the bathroom before? Does she piss in bottles? Shit bucket? How is her room so clean? This is not a shut in's room. Sagiri is this perfect 12 year old otaku's wet dream that ignores reality. It's downright disgusting that they ripped out shut in people's negative traits from her just to make her more appealing. Also this show insults artists. How, please tell me how a girl with infinite internet access can't look up references? And seeing this real life crap is only an excuse for Sagiri to pose for the camera and also perv on others. She calls Masamune a pervert while she isnt? What a hypocrite! I feel like some creepy pedophile spying on a 12 year old girl when the camera pans over Sagiri. It's creepy. Artist now a days can use any sort of reference online, that is how they get better. A shut in that needs real life references is doomed to fail. And why...why does a 12 year old draw erotic anime pictures for a year? Why would she even draw that? And in my honest opinion the worst part is about marketing this show as a siscon show. Masamune and Sagiri only saw each other TWICE before the plot moved on. Their interactions with each other is not a brother and sister relationship. They barely know each other! Sagiri is just some 12 year old shut in that lives with Masamune. How can Masamune talk positive aspects of his so called step sister when he barely knows her? I get it, they are labeled as step siblings but that is a poor observation when they don't even treat each other as such. If you like siscon then I think it's a poor siscon anime when the brother and sister don't even treat each other as such. The idea of siscon is that your little sister idolizes you and you do your best to raise your little sister. Masamune is a horrible brother and treats Sagiri like some hot bangable Loli that lives in his house. And there is the appeal of step sibling romances in anime. In the end it's a stupid reason for a shut in to have a handle in this world to lose their virginity. A step sister is a hot woman that lives in your house. So yeah, this show fails to even be a siscon anime when it markets it as such. The forced drama is another aspect. Think of it like this, why did this happen? And if a problem keeps on persisting for the same reason then it becomes really annoying. Sagiri won't say her feelings, Masamune looks like an idiot. The girls continue to hit on Masamune to piss off Sagiri but apparently have feelings for him too? Why do this? Why say lines that are PURPOSLY vague?!? This show drags on for the stupidest of reasons and they wear and tear on you the more they happen. So those are the reasons this show is widely hated. People wonder why Eromanga Sensei is going to outsell Attack on Titan next month, here is a prime example. FYI its not widely hated, it will be getting a second season. RIP Because the show generates revenue with hate. And of course people hate it. It's getting a second season because it's popular, not because it's well loved. Just because something is selling doesn't make it quality. I hate the quality of this show and it's selling for the trash. That's why people hate it even more. It sells despite how trashy it is. Take the fan service away and what do you get? |
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| @ArondightDestiny It's time to address the real problem with some viewers, they want Eromanga-sensei to be the new NHK ni Youkoso while the show does not intent to do so. LN's story never have to be a 1:1 transposition of reality. What can make a story interesting is the odd factor. Here, the only one who give a glimpse to LN writers is obviously Masamune. He's writing everyday a lot up to have something good enough to be published. The other young authors are oddity, the first being someone who only write LN as a hobby while cumulating funny experiences, and the other one being someone who almost live for the sake of reading and who's "forced" to write her own stories for herself to satisfy her urges. The latter even sold more than 14M novels which is almost SAO tier, but yet you think it's trying to portray the reality? Please, don't insult yourself by pretending the show wants to say all authors are like that. It's like saying Kuroko no Basket is offensive to highschool basketball players by having characters like the Generation of Miracles. Or if I take an exemple from what you watched, you found normal in Prison School the boys got incarcerated that way? Please... Now, Sagiri the shut in, the one who obviously leaves her room when no one is around to see her leaving it. But, yeah, you're right, it's really far from the idea of what a shut-in should be (should be?). But, the thing is, you're saying in this kind of RomCom, you'd rather have a 12yo little sister portrayed as a scum of the society, is that it? Who is the creepy one now? :/ Of course she's ignoring the reality, otherwise, she won't be hiding behind a mask while talking to people. If she were as confident as she is when she wears the role of Eromanga-sensei, she wouldn't be a shut-in. Insult to the artist who can't use internet as references... It reminds me of an episode of Shirobako (the 8th one), explaining that animators sometimes have to rely an real experiences rather than working only with references. How about them? Who is insulting them here? She calls Masamune a pervert while she isnt? What a hypocrite! Of course she is. A lot of people are [hyprocrites]. And why...why does a 12 year old draw erotic anime pictures for a year? Why would she even draw that? Because she hold the title of Eromanga-sensei. Now, about the marketing part. Well, I don't care about label like that, so I didn't pay attention if it was or not the case myself. The sister pov is the same as the incest pov imo. It's about of what the concept of a sister is for you. Masamune treated her as his (spoiled) little sister while she treated him, at first, as a stranger who let her do what she wants. The siscon part is just him being interested in Sagiri, while what you labeled as siscon was in fact a brocon. (There is no point in saying that a siscon would rather have a brocon sister, except if it's the reject he's seeking.) Masamune is a horrible brother and treats Sagiri like some hot bangable Loli that lives in his house. lel, ok. Anyway, the show is not widely hated. It's just the ranting people being louder than usual. Or "wadely hated" you meant by there is more people claiming they don't like this series while not bothering for other shows? I hate the quality of this show and it's selling for the trash. That's why people hate it even more. It sells despite how trashy it is. In a nutshell: I'm ranting because people don't have the same taste as myself. |
| The gross amount of fanart on Pixiv of this anime is loli porn. If you haven't realised the fanbase it's pandering to, the tropes it's exploiting and why people are reviewing it the way they are, maybe its time to take a step back a consider the possibility that you might just have shit taste. That's what I would do if the anime I liked carried such stigma without being super popular to amass the hate through overexposure. |
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ArondightDestiny said: Reikuo said: People wonder why Eromanga Sensei is going to outsell Attack on Titan next month, here is a prime example. FYI its not widely hated, it will be getting a second season. RIP Because the show generates revenue with hate. And of course people hate it. It's getting a second season because it's popular, not because it's well loved. Just because something is selling doesn't make it quality. I hate the quality of this show and it's selling for the trash. That's why people hate it even more. It sells despite how trashy it is. Take the fan service away and what do you get? At the time of this post the show has a 7.20 from 21,004 reveiws on MAL. Thats not the score of a widely hated show, and there are a great many troll 1/10 scores. If a show of this genre can generate a 7/10 on MAL then its almost a given its a 9 or 10 in Japan. As for what do you get if you take out the fan service, you get the generic harem romcom tropes we have all been getting for the past 10 years. This is not a new low, its not a new anything. Your only as good as the company you keep and you dont get to pretend your above it all. This type of anime is nothing new, and its going to continue to sell. Your analysis could not be anymore unfair and your very aware of that. I dont know if that rant was a cry for help or what. Either way, the only hate I can see is the hate you have for yourself. |
Djidji said: @ArondightDestiny It's time to address the real problem with some viewers, they want Eromanga-sensei to be the new NHK ni Youkoso while the show does not intent to do so. LN's story never have to be a 1:1 transposition of reality. What can make a story interesting is the odd factor. Here, the only one who give a glimpse to LN writers is obviously Masamune. He's writing everyday a lot up to have something good enough to be published. The other young authors are oddity, the first being someone who only write LN as a hobby while cumulating funny experiences, and the other one being someone who almost live for the sake of reading and who's "forced" to write her own stories for herself to satisfy her urges. The latter even sold more than 14M novels which is almost SAO tier, but yet you think it's trying to portray the reality? Please, don't insult yourself by pretending the show wants to say all authors are like that. It's like saying Kuroko no Basket is offensive to highschool basketball players by having characters like the Generation of Miracles. Or if I take an exemple from what you watched, you found normal in Prison School the boys got incarcerated that way? Please... Now, Sagiri the shut in, the one who obviously leaves her room when no one is around to see her leaving it. But, yeah, you're right, it's really far from the idea of what a shut-in should be (should be?). But, the thing is, you're saying in this kind of RomCom, you'd rather have a 12yo little sister portrayed as a scum of the society, is that it? Who is the creepy one now? :/ Of course she's ignoring the reality, otherwise, she won't be hiding behind a mask while talking to people. If she were as confident as she is when she wears the role of Eromanga-sensei, she wouldn't be a shut-in. Insult to the artist who can't use internet as references... It reminds me of an episode of Shirobako (the 8th one), explaining that animators sometimes have to rely an real experiences rather than working only with references. How about them? Who is insulting them here? She calls Masamune a pervert while she isnt? What a hypocrite! Of course she is. A lot of people are [hyprocrites]. And why...why does a 12 year old draw erotic anime pictures for a year? Why would she even draw that? Because she hold the title of Eromanga-sensei. Now, about the marketing part. Well, I don't care about label like that, so I didn't pay attention if it was or not the case myself. The sister pov is the same as the incest pov imo. It's about of what the concept of a sister is for you. Masamune treated her as his (spoiled) little sister while she treated him, at first, as a stranger who let her do what she wants. The siscon part is just him being interested in Sagiri, while what you labeled as siscon was in fact a brocon. (There is no point in saying that a siscon would rather have a brocon sister, except if it's the reject he's seeking.) Masamune is a horrible brother and treats Sagiri like some hot bangable Loli that lives in his house. lel, ok. Anyway, the show is not widely hated. It's just the ranting people being louder than usual. Or "wadely hated" you meant by there is more people claiming they don't like this series while not bothering for other shows? I hate the quality of this show and it's selling for the trash. That's why people hate it even more. It sells despite how trashy it is. In a nutshell: I'm ranting because people don't have the same taste as myself. So I'm creepy for me to think that shut ins are scum of society? Sagiri being a 12 year old shut in is just poorly executed and can't be believed. Masamune is still a terrible brother by allowing this behavior. Other factors you say are only excuses for poor writing. And hypocrite or not, these characters aren't likable. Sagiri is a walking perfect contradiction, Masamune is your usual generic light novel harem protagonist that is an absolutely terrible brother. Elf, Megum and Muramasa are just flat out unlike able and annoying characters and their actions are reasons are beyond comprehensible. And I will judge the poor quality of this show regardless of the source material. If you read the original version of Ero manga the writing is better and better paced while also explaining characters. In that way, making them more likable and not plagued by horrible writing. It's not about tastes, it's about quality and this show is terribly paced, has unlikable characters and out right offensive characters and the animation is as cheap as A1 pictures gets. I don't want another Welcome to the NHK, I don't want another OreImo. I just want this show to be good and show some actual effort. Blame A1 for giving a poor adaptation. So what is the problem here? This show has terrible quality. And people hate it because it's actually selling. It's no different than Sao. It's a poor quality show that got insanely popular due to its premise alone. This show is no different when it's hook is another sis con show with otaku pandering. Unfortunately that's what sells in today's community. It sucks but oh well. Only sales speak to creators. |
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Reikuo said: ArondightDestiny said: Because the show generates revenue with hate. And of course people hate it. It's getting a second season because it's popular, not because it's well loved. Just because something is selling doesn't make it quality. I hate the quality of this show and it's selling for the trash. That's why people hate it even more. It sells despite how trashy it is. Take the fan service away and what do you get? At the time of this post the show has a 7.20 from 21,004 reveiws on MAL. Thats not the score of a widely hated show, and there are a great many troll 1/10 scores. If a show of this genre can generate a 7/10 on MAL then its almost a given its a 9 or 10 in Japan. As for what do you get if you take out the fan service, you get the generic harem romcom tropes we have all been getting for the past 10 years. This is not a new low, its not a new anything. Your only as good as the company you keep and you dont get to pretend your above it all. This type of anime is nothing new, and its going to continue to sell. Your analysis could not be anymore unfair and your very aware of that. I dont know if that rant was a cry for help or what. Either way, the only hate I can see is the hate you have for yourself. Defend this show all you want, it won't stop any sort of criticism. This show has terrible quality and no one would care about it if you take the fan service away. And it's not even good fan service. And I don't judge MAL scores by ratings, I judge by the top reviews. If you look at any show most are in the 7-6 range. Usually means a mediocre show or a show designed for a niche audience. |
| "I -AM- ELECTRICITY." -Gunvolt |
ArondightDestiny said: So I'm creepy for me to think that shut ins are scum of society? Sagiri being a 12 year old shut in is just poorly executed and can't be believed. Masamune is still a terrible brother by allowing this behavior. Other factors you say are only excuses for poor writing. And hypocrite or not, these characters aren't likable. Sagiri is a walking perfect contradiction, Masamune is your usual generic light novel harem protagonist that is an absolutely terrible brother. Elf, Megum and Muramasa are just flat out unlike able and annoying characters and their actions are reasons are beyond comprehensible. And I will judge the poor quality of this show regardless of the source material. If you read the original version of Ero manga the writing is better and better paced while also explaining characters. In that way, making them more likable and not plagued by horrible writing. It's not about tastes, it's about quality and this show is terribly paced, has unlikable characters and out right offensive characters and the animation is as cheap as A1 pictures gets. I don't want another Welcome to the NHK, I don't want another OreImo. I just want this show to be good and show some actual effort. Blame A1 for giving a poor adaptation. So what is the problem here? This show has terrible quality. And people hate it because it's actually selling. It's no different than Sao. It's a poor quality show that got insanely popular due to its premise alone. This show is no different when it's hook is another sis con show with otaku pandering. Unfortunately that's what sells in today's community. It sucks but oh well. Only sales speak to creators. No, you're creepy for wanting to see a 12yo girl being completely dirty, smelly, peeing in a bottle just to suit your idea of what a shut-in should be just for the sake of "good writing". Characters being likeable or not doesn't fall under your judgement, it's purely subjective. "I just want this show to be good" No, you just want to see it as what you want to see. And the hate about this show (or another one, idc) selling is completely pointless. If this is your issue, then change the mentality so that they buy what they should according to your standards. You're also ranting about the selling of Love Live and so on? Only sales speak to creators. Who is insulting artists now? |
DjidjiMay 24, 2017 11:24 AM
ArondightDestiny said: Reikuo said: At the time of this post the show has a 7.20 from 21,004 reveiws on MAL. Thats not the score of a widely hated show, and there are a great many troll 1/10 scores. If a show of this genre can generate a 7/10 on MAL then its almost a given its a 9 or 10 in Japan. As for what do you get if you take out the fan service, you get the generic harem romcom tropes we have all been getting for the past 10 years. This is not a new low, its not a new anything. Your only as good as the company you keep and you dont get to pretend your above it all. This type of anime is nothing new, and its going to continue to sell. Your analysis could not be anymore unfair and your very aware of that. I dont know if that rant was a cry for help or what. Either way, the only hate I can see is the hate you have for yourself. Defend this show all you want, it won't stop any sort of criticism. This show has terrible quality and no one would care about it if you take the fan service away. And it's not even good fan service. And I don't judge MAL scores by ratings, I judge by the top reviews. If you look at any show most are in the 7-6 range. Usually means a mediocre show or a show designed for a niche audience. So your going to ignore the 21,004 votes that average out to a 7.20 because you dont like that fact, but your going to take the 531 people, two who wrote the 1 star troll reviews, while only 4 episodes had been out, and the 529 people who found them helpful and tell me their opinions are worth more because why again? Oh they are the ones you agree with, ok. So essentially your ignoring reality. Also im not defending the show, I have made no comment of the shows actual content. Im talking about your review. You know that your review was a rant, and that it was unfair. Under the circumstances you attempted to butcher the show almost any anime out there would not survive. This is a harem romcom, and it should be at the least somewhat reviewed for what it is, what it sets out to do, and where it stands within its genre. Anyone can just point out what in the show is not realistic compared to real life. If that is what you had to do to come up with some criticisms then I think you had nothing to go on from the start and that your trying too hard. |
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MoonStar9 said: The gross amount of fanart on Pixiv of this anime is loli porn. If you haven't realised the fanbase it's pandering to, the tropes it's exploiting and why people are reviewing it the way they are, maybe its time to take a step back a consider the possibility that you might just have shit taste. That's what I would do if the anime I liked carried such stigma without being super popular to amass the hate through overexposure. Ok news flash Pixiv has loli fanart, how shocking. Fanbase pandering, tropes its exploiting? Oh so you mean marketing a product to a group of people who will pay for it. I love how you try and paint it as somehow nefarious, "exploiting" lmao. Believe me, the Eromanga Sensei fanbase is getting exactly what they are paying for, nothing is getting exploiting save for your ignorance. Welcome to capitalism. Stigma? It has a 7.20 with 20k votes on MAL. Seems kinda just like your basic average show. Essentially, everything about your post and opinion on the matter is based on lies, misconceptions, and a very basic denial of reality. |
Reikuo said: MoonStar9 said: The gross amount of fanart on Pixiv of this anime is loli porn. If you haven't realised the fanbase it's pandering to, the tropes it's exploiting and why people are reviewing it the way they are, maybe its time to take a step back a consider the possibility that you might just have shit taste. That's what I would do if the anime I liked carried such stigma without being super popular to amass the hate through overexposure. Ok news flash Pixiv has loli fanart, how shocking. Fanbase pandering, tropes its exploiting? Oh so you mean marketing a product to a group of people who will pay for it. I love how you try and paint it as somehow nefarious, "exploiting" lmao. Believe me, the Eromanga Sensei fanbase is getting exactly what they are paying for, nothing is getting exploiting save for your ignorance. Welcome to capitalism. Stigma? It has a 7.20 with 20k votes on MAL. Seems kinda just like your basic average show. Essentially, everything about your post and opinion on the matter is based on lies, misconceptions, and a very basic denial of reality. Oh, do shut up. Pixiv has a wide variety of artwork, not just loli porn. It's Japanese Deviantart. The point I was making, which you intentionally ignored, is that the overwhelming amount of artwork for this anime, in particular, was nothing but porn exemplifying its target audience. I didn't paint anything as nefarious, the show is nefarious. It's badly written with one-dimensional characters and a sleazy plot line that exploits a niche attraction to young sisters and that is why it is rated as badly as it is. Go on pixiv there's nothing but porn, look up the reviews on MAL, on ANN it's largely negative, look at the top viewed anime on Video Research each week, it's nowhere near the top. There are no lies, no misconceptions, the only one denying reality is you but I'm sure you'll deflect any criticism as "hate" and carrying on swallowing your trash. And by all means, do. Trash like this makes me appreciate well-written anime all the better. |
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MoonStar9 said: Reikuo said: Ok news flash Pixiv has loli fanart, how shocking. Fanbase pandering, tropes its exploiting? Oh so you mean marketing a product to a group of people who will pay for it. I love how you try and paint it as somehow nefarious, "exploiting" lmao. Believe me, the Eromanga Sensei fanbase is getting exactly what they are paying for, nothing is getting exploiting save for your ignorance. Welcome to capitalism. Stigma? It has a 7.20 with 20k votes on MAL. Seems kinda just like your basic average show. Essentially, everything about your post and opinion on the matter is based on lies, misconceptions, and a very basic denial of reality. Oh, do shut up. Pixiv has a wide variety of artwork, not just loli porn. It's Japanese Deviantart. The point I was making, which you intentionally ignored, is that the overwhelming amount of artwork for this anime, in particular, was nothing but porn exemplifying its target audience. I didn't paint anything as nefarious, the show is nefarious. It's badly written with one-dimensional characters and a sleazy plot line that exploits a niche attraction to young sisters and that is why it is rated as badly as it is. Go on pixiv there's nothing but porn, look up the reviews on MAL, on ANN it's largely negative, look at the top viewed anime on Video Research each week, it's nowhere near the top. There are no lies, no misconceptions, the only one denying reality is you but I'm sure you'll deflect any criticism as "hate" and carrying on swallowing your trash. And by all means, do. Trash like this makes me appreciate well-written anime all the better. Nobody cares about Pixiv and its not representative of anything, if your nasty ass dwells on there all day looking at that shit its on you. You can say its rated badly, its not. Simple as that. Shows like this get way more trolls and haters then a regular show so for this to have a 7.20 with 20k votes shows that general reception is not negative in addition to 7.20 not being a bad score itself. I dont care how many negative reviews there are, any triggered moron can go write up a hit piece. There are 20k votes and its a 7.20 average on MAL which is by far a bigger and better size of people to place a judgement on then your handful of negative reviews scattered across a couple websites. Not even 30 reviews on MAL but you will take it over 20k user votes. Again, your the one denying reality. Stay triggered because season 2 is well on its way. |
| Am I not allowed to have an opinion? This show sucks. And I didn't state that my rant was even a review. I was only reciting on why this show is hated. If you want my honest review about it then wait another month or so after the show is finished. Despite my complaints about it there are some good merits about the show. However my over all opinion on it still stands. |
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Reikuo said: MoonStar9 said: Oh, do shut up. Pixiv has a wide variety of artwork, not just loli porn. It's Japanese Deviantart. The point I was making, which you intentionally ignored, is that the overwhelming amount of artwork for this anime, in particular, was nothing but porn exemplifying its target audience. I didn't paint anything as nefarious, the show is nefarious. It's badly written with one-dimensional characters and a sleazy plot line that exploits a niche attraction to young sisters and that is why it is rated as badly as it is. Go on pixiv there's nothing but porn, look up the reviews on MAL, on ANN it's largely negative, look at the top viewed anime on Video Research each week, it's nowhere near the top. There are no lies, no misconceptions, the only one denying reality is you but I'm sure you'll deflect any criticism as "hate" and carrying on swallowing your trash. And by all means, do. Trash like this makes me appreciate well-written anime all the better. Nobody cares about Pixiv and its not representative of anything, if your nasty ass dwells on there all day looking at that shit its on you. You can say its rated badly, its not. Simple as that. Shows like this get way more trolls and haters then a regular show so for this to have a 7.20 with 20k votes shows that general reception is not negative in addition to 7.20 not being a bad score itself. I dont care how many negative reviews there are, any triggered moron can go write up a hit piece. There are 20k votes and its a 7.20 average on MAL which is by far a bigger and better size of people to place a judgement on then your handful of negative reviews scattered across a couple websites. Not even 30 reviews on MAL but you will take it over 20k user votes. Again, your the one denying reality. Stay triggered because season 2 is well on its way. There we go. "Muh trolls and haters hating on my kawaii sleazy imouto anime". "There's nothing wrong with me or it, its them". It IS representative. Pixiv isn't just any other website, its a website that everybody uses in Japan. Mangakas use it. Up and coming artists get drafted from it! It's as widely used as Youtube and yet it's most popular art are all loli porn! The weekly viewership speaks for it itself! Stick your fingers in your ears and yell "lalala" all you want. The show is a piece of shit! Westerners hate it and what few Easterners are watching it think it's only worth it for looking at imouto pantsu! |
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ArondightDestiny said: Am I not allowed to have an opinion? This show sucks. And I didn't state that my rant was even a review. I was only reciting on why this show is hated. If you want my honest review about it then wait another month or so after the show is finished. Despite my complaints about it there are some good merits about the show. However my over all opinion on it still stands. Lol, of course you're allowed to have your own opinion. I don't care whether you'd rate Eromanga 1 or 10. You can hate it as much as you want, it's ok. It's just that I'm looking for decent arguments explaining why the show is "hated so much". People finding the show cringy due to fanservice is understandable, the fact there is loli (because there is always some loli hate :D), the harem part, how the serie is written and so on and so for. But, complaining the show ain't doing what he doesn't want to do or is not as you'd imagine is an other story. Like, do you scream whenever there is an otaku who is not portrayed as a complete trash in an anime? Cause according to some people, otaku are only trash. You blame the show for being offensive to writers, which is not, then you're trashtalking them yourself... You said yourself you're considering shut-in as scum of the society, so even the ones working while being shut-in because they had the opportunity to do both? The anger you have for the show selling well shouldn't not fall under the anime itself but on the people buying it. |
DjidjiMay 25, 2017 1:12 PM
| Its really as easy as it has the possibility of having incest and being a copy of oreimo. Really nothing else. |
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MoonStar9 said: Reikuo said: Nobody cares about Pixiv and its not representative of anything, if your nasty ass dwells on there all day looking at that shit its on you. You can say its rated badly, its not. Simple as that. Shows like this get way more trolls and haters then a regular show so for this to have a 7.20 with 20k votes shows that general reception is not negative in addition to 7.20 not being a bad score itself. I dont care how many negative reviews there are, any triggered moron can go write up a hit piece. There are 20k votes and its a 7.20 average on MAL which is by far a bigger and better size of people to place a judgement on then your handful of negative reviews scattered across a couple websites. Not even 30 reviews on MAL but you will take it over 20k user votes. Again, your the one denying reality. Stay triggered because season 2 is well on its way. There we go. "Muh trolls and haters hating on my kawaii sleazy imouto anime". "There's nothing wrong with me or it, its them". It IS representative. Pixiv isn't just any other website, its a website that everybody uses in Japan. Mangakas use it. Up and coming artists get drafted from it! It's as widely used as Youtube and yet it's most popular art are all loli porn! The weekly viewership speaks for it itself! Stick your fingers in your ears and yell "lalala" all you want. The show is a piece of shit! Westerners hate it and what few Easterners are watching it think it's only worth it for looking at imouto pantsu! Asuka from Evangelion has had the same kind of fanart treatment for years and vast amounts of it and she is from one of the most loved shows in the West. Regardless of that you cant argue with 20k votes with a 7.20 score on one of the biggest Western fan sites. |
| People have tastes. People like stuff. People hate stuff. Simple as that. |
| I'm not even watching this yet, but this is the best shitpost "review" for Eromanga-sensei: "Humanity has fallen into the depths of Sin that cannot be forgiven no matter how much we repent, beg, or scream our apologies do not deserve to be heard. This show, this thing... is an amalgamation spawned from the hell-spawn depths of the darkest dungeon of Otaku culture; a symbol of everything the medium that we cherish is despised for, the most noir of blackened stains on anime history. Our crime unforgivable, our debt un-payable. Miazaki was right, A MISTAKE, it was all a mistake. Burn it. Burn it all down to ash. Burn it until the unending horror of our species' failings disintegrates from our disgusting reality. Our crime... is Eromanga-sensei." lmfao |
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