| Lol. Blasphemy? What is this, the 13th century? |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
Menzo- said: Lol. Blasphemy? What is this, the 13th century? The guy got jailed for literally nothing. His speech wasn't even a fucking blasphemy for fuck sake. He's just a sacrificial lamb to appease those rabid dogs in white clothes. |
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loli_a_ravioli said: Damn that's some corrupt ass shit. But I mean really, even if he didn't do anything, how could blasphemy even exist in this day and age? Humans are retarded.Menzo- said: Lol. Blasphemy? What is this, the 13th century? The guy got jailed for literally nothing. His speech wasn't even a fucking blasphemy for fuck sake. He's just a sacrificial lamb to appease those rabid dogs in white clothes. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
| Lol blasphemy...welp enjoy yourself in a religious state, nothing other is left....;3 Ah! What is left to find out if indonesian prisons are anything similar to the resorts prisons in Norway, though doubt it XD |
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| Dang. And Indonesia is supposed to be one of the moderates. |
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RedRoseFring said: Dang. And Indonesia is supposed to be one of the moderates. There is no such thing as moderates when there is Islam involved |
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| Where is @Kuma to explain this? |
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RedRoseFring said: Dang. And Indonesia is supposed to be one of the moderates. Lmao. Indonesia has never been a moderate islamic country. Excluding some regions like Bali, if you're a not a muslim you're practically a 2nd-class citizen, and even worse if you're chinese as well. |
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| Lol Indonesia is not West. Even in my country or any South Asian country, if you commit blasphemy in front of many people or in television then either you will die, go to prison or start a riot (though it's highly likely you'll go to prison) If you have different opinion then it's alright but don't shove it on other people's face. Let people live how they wanna live. Infact it's good that they jailed him or this would have started a riot between Christians and Muslims in Indonesia. If people want to commit blasphemy then they should either go to China or commit these kind of acts in their home I don't even know why people commit blasphemy lol I mean how do you feel after insulting a fictional thing xD |
swirlydragonMay 9, 2017 2:35 AM
DateYutaka said: steven fry has been charged with the same charge in Ireland too but right winger do see that that an issue No, he hasn't. https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2017/0508/873567-no-blasphemy-investigation-into-stephen-frys-comments/ |
BurningbladeEX said: That's not how it works. It is really not a them vs us situation due to the fact that minorities are pressured by the muslim majority, in fact a lot of the testimonies against him were twisted by the widespread propaganda which was accumulated from the demos that radicals keep having every month. You might want to check what you're writing as racist because both the governor and most of these Chinese you speak of are born in Indonesia. The only point I am making is:- Indonesia is a diverse and religious country, if you think you can commit blasphemy and this will not cause riots then you are clearly deluding yourself. If the authorities wouldn't have taken any action against this then this would cause riots between Christians and Muslims. Btw I don't think minorities are pressured in Indonesia (if this is radical propaganda and he didn't commit blasphemy then why did you even say that the person commited blasphemy lol). The article clearly says that he was found guilty of blasphemy. Also, I was not being racist. I only wanted to say that if you want to commit blasphemy then go to an atheist country like China. Indonesia is not China lol |
swirlydragonMay 9, 2017 3:24 AM
C'mon dude! I am not that bad, you know :p |
DateYutaka said: steevn fry been charged with the same in Ireland I'm not surprised, until the 1999 you couldn't say blasphemies in public in Italy. It was in the penal code. |
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| Ahok’s speech not blasphemous: Expert http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/03/21/ahoks-speech-not-blasphemous-expert.html And Muslim give themselves bad name yet again. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
sorry, it's currently on exam here... so, i believe most indonesiaon people on here currently off as well... i am just finishing my exam... ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ it's more political reason than anything, really... nobody gives a damn about it anymore because everyone know what it was actually... the hot news now is that indonesia banned another muslim organzation which ironicaly also part of the one againts ahok... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-09/indonesia-to-ban-hizb-ut-tahrir-group-after-jakarta-protests/8508650 i heard they are targetting for the organization that accused ahok in the first place (islamic defendrf front)... both extrem left and right is on fire now... i wonder when next clash happened... oh, and ahok loosing is mainly because his political move than anything... ahok is really loved by middle and upper class, but hated by lower class... and his rival really smart to exploit every weakness ahok has when ahok has no real strategy againts it... i am actually ahok supporter (would love if he changing ourcurrent mayor), but why he loses is actually understable if you not blinded by political identity... |
KumaMay 9, 2017 4:24 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
DateYutaka said: funny fact your backing leftisyt terror group there im left wing and i do not back them ulster voted to remain in the uk you anti Democratic Ikr He only cares about violent acts done by left, but when it's about the violence acts commited by right groups, he either ignores it or appreciates it. I remember his post in which he says "destroy kabab" lmao |
DateYutaka said: the IRA are left wing organ i comdem them cuse there anti democratic ulster voted to remain in the uk but the IRA said no we wil bomb you in o submission the IRA are not like ETA or the KCK at all thye od not fight for freedom they fght fir oppression Well there are bad people in every community, I guess Though I do not have much knowledge on IRA myself but since they are anti-democratic, it's good that you condemn them :) |
Johnnyd3rp said: DateYutaka said: steevn fry been charged with the same in Ireland I'm not surprised, until the 1999 you couldn't say blasphemies in public in Italy. It was in the penal code. Just wanna point out that law was put up recently and the person making the complaint was showing how stupid it was. Very different to imprisoning someone for 2 years. |
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TheConquerer said: Johnnyd3rp said: I'm not surprised, until the 1999 you couldn't say blasphemies in public in Italy. It was in the penal code. Just wanna point out that law was put up recently and the person making the complaint was showing how stupid it was. Very different to imprisoning someone for 2 years. except, you can get amnesty for like every big holiday... he can free like next 6 month or so... the main problem is not the jail it self, but he can't make police certificate, and lot of goverment position need that... so his political career pretty much done for... again, it's mainly political motive than anything... loli_a_ravioli said: RedRoseFring said: Dang. And Indonesia is supposed to be one of the moderates. Lmao. Indonesia has never been a moderate islamic country. Excluding some regions like Bali, if you're a not a muslim you're practically a 2nd-class citizen, and even worse if you're chinese as well. again, which paret of indonesian do you live? it's extreamly vary... it's more depend in your neighborhood... oh, and currently i am studying christian history, and kinda surprised that christian was extreamly oppressed in baly until recently... they are even still segregating their house based on religion... maybe, we are just shitty country after all... |
KumaMay 9, 2017 5:46 AM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
loli_a_ravioli said: Bali has Hindu replacing Islam in the case of dominating the government, btw. The only moderately good thing about it is cultural preservance. Other than that it's still corrupt asfRedRoseFring said: Dang. And Indonesia is supposed to be one of the moderates. Lmao. Indonesia has never been a moderate islamic country. Excluding some regions like Bali, if you're a not a muslim you're practically a 2nd-class citizen, and even worse if you're chinese as well. |
| Curse the dude who spoke the first word and gave meaning to "blasphemy". |
| Yeah, that has something to do with political agenda more than anything else. The alleged blasphemous act took place at campaign period for the next governor election, the timing couldn't be more impeccable than that. Of course the opposing parties did not want to miss this opportunity to ride this issue and contort it for their own advantages in the name of religion which is still a very sensitive matter in this country. This is also not surprising to happen with most of Muslim population that less astute than animal farm, for they easily got manipulated by those politicians with their abstruse, ulterior motives who have been corrupted by the desire of power to satisfy their own interests. |
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swirlydragon said: Lol Indonesia is not West. Even in my country or any South Asian country, if you commit blasphemy in front of many people or in television then either you will die, go to prison or start a riot (though it's highly likely you'll go to prison) If you have different opinion then it's alright but don't shove it on other people's face. Let people live how they wanna live. Infact it's good that they jailed him or this would have started a riot between Christians and Muslims in Indonesia. If people want to commit blasphemy then they should either go to China or commit these kind of acts in their home I don't even know why people commit blasphemy lol I mean how do you feel after insulting a fictional thing xD Can you give me some examples of what's considered "Blasphemy" in your country? |
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Seiya said: swirlydragon said: Lol Indonesia is not West. Even in my country or any South Asian country, if you commit blasphemy in front of many people or in television then either you will die, go to prison or start a riot (though it's highly likely you'll go to prison) If you have different opinion then it's alright but don't shove it on other people's face. Let people live how they wanna live. Infact it's good that they jailed him or this would have started a riot between Christians and Muslims in Indonesia. If people want to commit blasphemy then they should either go to China or commit these kind of acts in their home I don't even know why people commit blasphemy lol I mean how do you feel after insulting a fictional thing xD Can you give me some examples of what's considered "Blasphemy" in your country? For starters, eating cow is illegal (though that's not blasphemy) Here's the blasphemy law btw Read it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law Blasphemy can cause riots Also, this is Indonesia's law on blasphemy Article 156(a) of Indonesia's Criminal Code forbids anyone from deliberately, in public, expressing feelings of hostility, hatred, or contempt against religions with the purpose of preventing others from adhering to any religion, and forbids anyone from disgracing a religion. The penalty for violating Article 156(a) is a maximum of five years of imprisonment He should have been in prison for 5 years Indonesia is too soft lol Btw I don't commit blasphemy since I don't care about fictional things xD |
swirlydragonMay 9, 2017 10:26 AM
swirlydragon said: For starters, eating cow is illegal (though that's not blasphemy) Here's the blasphemy law btw Read it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law Blasphemy can cause riots Also, this is Indonesia's law on blasphemy Article 156(a) of Indonesia's Criminal Code forbids anyone from deliberately, in public, expressing feelings of hostility, hatred, or contempt against religions with the purpose of preventing others from adhering to any religion, and forbids anyone from disgracing a religion. The penalty for violating Article 156(a) is a maximum of five years of imprisonment He should have been in prison for 5 years Indonesia is too soft lol Btw I don't commit blasphemy since I don't care about fictional things xD So, if I told you that I didn't believe in the same religion as you, would that be considered blasphemy in your country? |
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Seiya said: swirlydragon said: For starters, eating cow is illegal (though that's not blasphemy) Here's the blasphemy law btw Read it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law Blasphemy can cause riots Also, this is Indonesia's law on blasphemy He should have been in prison for 5 years Indonesia is too soft lol Btw I don't commit blasphemy since I don't care about fictional things xD So, if I told you that I didn't believe in the same religion as you, would that be considered blasphemy in your country? He did not say that. He used Quran verses (in a negative manner) to win votes as the article suggested. These sorts of things will only make Christians and Muslims hostile to each other. It's good that they jailed him. Even if it were a Muslim who said that, he would deserve the same punishment. If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers. If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! |
swirlydragon said: Seiya said: So, if I told you that I didn't believe in the same religion as you, would that be considered blasphemy in your country? He did not say that. He used Quran verses (in a negative manner) to win votes as the article suggested. These sorts of things will only make Christians and Muslims hostile to each other. It's good that they jailed him. Even if it were a Muslim who said that, he would deserve the same punishment. If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers. If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! Some countries are "Backwards." Free speech is a right, not a privilege. I think people who believe in any form of Christianity, Judaism or Islam are completely insane. Do you think I should go to jail too? |
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Seiya said: swirlydragon said: He did not say that. He used Quran verses (in a negative manner) to win votes as the article suggested. These sorts of things will only make Christians and Muslims hostile to each other. It's good that they jailed him. Even if it were a Muslim who said that, he would deserve the same punishment. If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers. If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! Some countries are "Backwards." Free speech is a right, not a privilege. I think people who believe in any form of Christianity, Judaism or Islam are completely insane. Do you think I should go to jail too? Since you live in Canada, you are not violating any rule. Therefore, no! You are free to say whatever you want Btw blasphemy law avoids riots in a diverse country as I already pointed it out. |
swirlydragonMay 9, 2017 12:04 PM
Seiya said: swirlydragon said: He did not say that. He used Quran verses (in a negative manner) to win votes as the article suggested. These sorts of things will only make Christians and Muslims hostile to each other. It's good that they jailed him. Even if it were a Muslim who said that, he would deserve the same punishment. If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers. If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! Some countries are "Backwards." Free speech is a right, not a privilege. does that mean we should allow people to say what ever they want either because free speach also what used to attack ahok? free specah =/= free from it consequence... again, this law was used againts people who attack ahok as well... and the goverment accused that they are limiting free speach... in my country, you does have free spech rights, but it's limited by other people rights to life peacefully... again, ahok is mainly imprisoned because political reason than anything... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: does that mean we should allow people to say what ever they want either because free speach also what used to attack ahok? free specah =/= free from it consequence... again, this law was used againts people who attack ahok as well... and the goverment accused that they are limiting free speach... in my country, you does have free spech rights, but it's limited by other people rights to life peacefully... again, ahok is mainly imprisoned because political reason than anything... Does the people who use free speech against Ahok got sentenced to two years jail too? According to language expert in University of Indoneisa, Ahok speech is not even blasphemous. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/03/21/ahoks-speech-not-blasphemous-expert.html |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Since ikan kontol's incident indonesia was legit moderate country |
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BurningbladeEX said: The current Jakarta governor got charged with blasphemy despite prior alleviated charges. They have now taken hold of him and is sentenced to jail for 2 years. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/09/jakarta-governor-ahok-found-guilty-of-blasphemy-jailed-for-two-years What a joke of a country this place is. Indonistan soon? North Indonesia I think. |
| Oh no, he and Stephen Fry hurt the poor religious' fee fees. How are they ever going to get over it? |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Zapredon said: Kuma said: does that mean we should allow people to say what ever they want either because free speach also what used to attack ahok? free specah =/= free from it consequence... again, this law was used againts people who attack ahok as well... and the goverment accused that they are limiting free speach... in my country, you does have free spech rights, but it's limited by other people rights to life peacefully... again, ahok is mainly imprisoned because political reason than anything... Does the people who use free speech against Ahok got sentenced to two years jail too? According to language expert in University of Indoneisa, Ahok speech is not even blasphemous. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/03/21/ahoks-speech-not-blasphemous-expert.html they are simply get reported.... not really processed... they are not part of political power who in conflict... everybody know they are just pawn... karambia said: Since ikan kontol's incident indonesia was legit moderate country i just heard this! i am interested! |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
Kuma said: Zapredon said: Does the people who use free speech against Ahok got sentenced to two years jail too? According to language expert in University of Indoneisa, Ahok speech is not even blasphemous. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/03/21/ahoks-speech-not-blasphemous-expert.html they are simply get reported.... not really processed... they are not part of political power who in conflict... everybody know they are just pawn... karambia said: Since ikan kontol's incident indonesia was legit moderate country i just heard this! i am interested! Why does being part of political power matter or not? Shouldn't people who abuse freedom of speech on Ahok be also punished equally? You can't call it free speech this way. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
swirlydragon said: Zapredon said: Why does being part of political power matter or not? Shouldn't people who abuse freedom of speech on Ahok be also punished equally? You can't call it free speech this way. If those people said something about Jesus or Christianity then they will get 5 years of jail as the law states. As for blasphemy, you are giving us the link of jakartapost. Of course jakartapost will be subjective about this. According to this article, the person used blasphemy to win votes. He tried to mix politics and faith together. Also, the blasphemy law is written in their constitution. It's not like Indonesia will change it's constitution for one Christian. Let's just say Indonesia doesn't punish him. Do you think people of other faiths will be happy about this? This is what happened when government refused to take action last time On 9 December 2008, hundreds of Muslim rioters damaged sixty-seven houses, a church, and a community hall, and injured five people in Masohi, Central Maluku. The rioters were allegedly angry that a Christian school teacher, Welhelmina Holle, had allegedly said something blasphemous during an after-class tutorial at an elementary school.[9] The police arrested Holle for blasphemy. The police arrested two Muslim men for inciting violence. I guess this means it's time for everyone in Europe to convert to Islam to appease the terrorists! After all if they don't give in to their demands and instead continue doing the blasphemous action of "not being Muslims", the terror attacks will continue! |
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Grey-Zone said: swirlydragon said: If those people said something about Jesus or Christianity then they will get 5 years of jail as the law states. As for blasphemy, you are giving us the link of jakartapost. Of course jakartapost will be subjective about this. According to this article, the person used blasphemy to win votes. He tried to mix politics and faith together. Also, the blasphemy law is written in their constitution. It's not like Indonesia will change it's constitution for one Christian. Let's just say Indonesia doesn't punish him. Do you think people of other faiths will be happy about this? This is what happened when government refused to take action last time I guess this means it's time for everyone in Europe to convert to Islam to appease the terrorists! After all if they don't give in to their demands and instead continue doing the blasphemous action of "not being Muslims", the attacks will continue! And when I finally deleted my post *sigh* Does Europe have a blasphemy law? No! Is Europe more diverse than Indonesia? No! Did Indonesia punish those people? Yes! Did the Christian women break the constitution? Yes! I'll say this again Blasphemy law avoids riots If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers.(since eating cow is illegal in my country) If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! Also, if a Muslim commited Blasphemy, he would also be imprisoned Btw why do you think those people are terrorists? (I think by terrorists you mean ISIS, right?) Is it because they are Muslims? They didn't kill anyone and protests like this happen in almost every country. They also got the punishment they deserved. Btw the Christian said something bad about Muslims and Islam. She did not say the thing you mentioned Your assumption is false |
swirlydragonMay 10, 2017 2:05 AM
swirlydragon said: Grey-Zone said: I guess this means it's time for everyone in Europe to convert to Islam to appease the terrorists! After all if they don't give in to their demands and instead continue doing the blasphemous action of "not being Muslims", the attacks will continue! And when I finally deleted my post *sigh* Does Europe have a blasphemy law? No! Is Europe more diverse than Indonesia? No! Did Indonesia punish those people? Yes! Did the Christian women break the constitution? Yes! I'll say this again Blasphemy law avoids riots If you can't follow the country's rule then get out of there. Simple as that! It is strictly written in their constitution that Blasphemy is illegal in Indonesia. I mean I don't cry about not eating hamburgers.(since eating cow is illegal in my country) If you live in a country then follow it's rules. Simple as that! Also, if a Muslim commited a Blasphemy, he would also be imprisoned Btw why do you think those people are terrorists? (I think by terrorists you mean ISIS, right?) Is it because they are Muslims? They didn't kill anyone and protests like this happen in almost every country. They also got the punishment they deserved. Btw the Christian said something bad about Muslims and Islam. She did not say the thing you mentioned Your assumption is false Never mind. I was under the false impression that you specifically talked about "appeasing people who turn to crime for religious reasons", but fortunately I was wrong. No problem then. Though as someone who believes in seperation of religion and government (often refered to as "seperation of church and state"), I personally don't like the idea of "blasphemy laws", but that's just about me personally. The law is the law after all. If one doesn't like the law, the only option one has is to leave, change the country from the inside somehow, or to start a revolution. |
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Grey-Zone said: Though as someone who believes in seperation of religion and government (often refered to as "seperation of church and state"), I personally don't like the idea of "blasphemy laws", but that's just about me personally. The law is the law after all. If one doesn't like the law, the only option one has is to leave, change the country from the inside somehow, or to start a revolution. Yep I totally agree We have so much in common Sensei xD |
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