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May 6, 2017 4:22 AM

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Great episode, will we get the proper metaphysical discussion this sci-fi deserves? Will we get mundane clap trap? Maybe a bit of both? What is the Right Answer?

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May 6, 2017 4:51 AM

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I'm looking forward to the next episode, I thought this anime was going to be boring and I've been proved wrong
 
 
May 6, 2017 5:23 AM

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Am I the only one who tried making WAM?
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because.

 
May 6, 2017 6:11 AM

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Thank you RainbowIslands and MegaBlasta, reading your posts is super interesting and insightful, please keep it up :D

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Am I the only one who tried making WAM?

Take pictures, we want to see the final result LOL
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May 6, 2017 6:28 AM

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Ok so everyone knows now how to make Wam :) , so has anyone tried folding paper into Wam? XD
 
May 6, 2017 7:28 AM
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brb making myself some infinite energy
 
May 6, 2017 8:17 AM

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If any of you succeeded on creating WAM in real life, then it means that Ninovo also exist!

Shinawa is a fun character! Saraka looks confused and disappointed. I don't want her to become enemy of Shindo and Zashu. It looks like Asano(Shindo's friend) will finally get some screen time next episode. I hope Natsume too. They only appeared on this episode as cameo. The reporter and the buffed military dude got more screen time so far than the two of them. Hanamori(the original funny character) will be back next episode too! KADO is moving on new location according to the preview.

Good news! https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-05-06/kado-the-right-answer-anime-inspires-spinoff-manga/.115767
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The manga takes place immediately after the end of episode five of the anime series, and will tell a story not told in the anime. The manga follows high school students whose lives are completely changed after the arrival of the Kado cube and the unlimited energy source Wam. The anime's fifth episode premiered on Friday.


 
 
May 6, 2017 8:32 AM
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I don't get it so you make Wam from paper, or whaaaaat? But the other Wam was blue and red and this is white... I have no idea what's going on here.


As the scientist said, it's not about the material, but the shape. The Wam are higher dimension shapes, like the tesseract: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbprfcSVcyQ

This also makes Shindo's origami hobby relevant.


This also makes Shindo's origami hobby relevant<-- I didn't note this, cool.
 
May 6, 2017 10:26 AM

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Fucking origami man.

What kind of scientist's first reaction to an unknown appendage is to put it in her mouth? I'd like to show her one of my own.

Show's fairly interesting so far, but it still has no real business being anime.
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May 6, 2017 12:37 PM

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One: I would like to point out that being able to create WAM yourself has not been specified as a result to zaShunina's arrival, or KADO's involvement of rerouting the energy of WAM into our world. Kado has been explained as being able to turn things from our 3rd dimension into his dimension and vice versa, but nothing has been said at all that his arrival to that universe had any worldwide affects, so I do not see why you would say that would be the case.

Two: We could talk about actual dimensions and how her being able to punch through the time dimension with a piece of paper is utter BS, but that's not the problem.
The problem is not the faulty reality of the situation, but the faulty of the reality within the world of this story. It would be more plausible if his solution was to ACTUALLY create some form of higher dimensional bomb that creates a chain reaction which that would FORCE a ton of wam into their world, because the solution would still be shrouded in the mystery of the higher plane which we are unable to fully understand. But now the solution was grounded into our world, where simply folding things into certain shapes to represent "funnels" which pour the energy from Za's world into ours when we were - and still are - never able to access and/or perceive ourselves. They started this story as something so close to realism with their accuracy of the concept of dimensions and processing of information, but then is stripped of that realism with this concept.

Three: As someone who knows Japanese, I can confirm that the trick she is referring to is the actual remembering the shape/making of the wam. To reword what she meant: "Well, there's a bit of a trick to doing it, but once you remember it, you'll be able to make it easy!"


>> https://youtu.be/C6kn6nXMWF0?t=3m07s
Explains how 4D objects might look like if they pass through 3D space. This is inline with Za's shrinking detachable hand, which does not literally disappear in a split second.

1. The alternate idea of creating DIY wam was suggested by Za himself last episode, so it's definitely his idea. It's (probably) just that he didn't have a good grasp of 3D spatial geometry so he required a specialist (the girl scientist) to test it.
- Kado (which is basically a high-tech computer) + zaShunina's arrival didn't change anything about our world. That's because the 4th and onwards spatial dimensions (ones that zaShunina came from) is always there. As orthogonal objects, it's possible for them to "be there" and not interact with us. It's just that as 3D objects we have no way of perceiving it.

2. I'm speaking about spatial dimensions, not temporal dimensions. It is possible that the fractal shape creates a natural difference in potential energy, causing the shape to roll across a orthogonal 4D plane, and thus generating(transferring) energy into our world. As it is doing it across orthogonal plane, it would look like it's rotating across its own center, just like what is shown on screen.

- If you are not convinced, just replace this "wam infinite energy" with dark energy. We have no idea what it is, we can't detect it, but it is said to accelerate the expansion of our universe because we have evidence that our universe is expanding (and by elimination it must be it). Wam just allows us to access that energy. Since we have no idea what this kind of energy is, why must we be so certain that paper cannot be affected by it?

3. I can understand Japanese too. That's why I'm suggesting a metaphor towards how they're tapping into an different spatial dimension.

4. fregonics: Wasn't there a scene where they were attacking and testing it this episode? It's not being written off yet.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention that the shape of the DIY Wam also has a relationship with the arrangement of the original Wams. Maybe by lining up certain way allows her to see different cross-sections of its shape?

I'm sure they'll explain it somehow. I'm just saying it's plausible based on what I know about math and science. They did their research, and it shows.


.... I wish to hug you so much right now. I love your arguments! XD
At first, I was dumbfounded and couldn't comprehend at all how it would be possible to create Wam at the snap of a finger, however, you've opened my eyes! It could be that Kado is acting as a conductor of sorts to make the drawing of energy from the other dimensions faster? It would be ridiculous to think that the mere presence of Kado isn't doing something to the planet's balance on a molecular level, so of course they don't explicitly have to mention it.

As much as I would love to learn about how the Wam actually work and what lies beyond these little portals, I don't believe that that is meant to be the focus of the anime. Rather, it is humanity that is playing the main role and the author is exploring what could happen if such a ground-breaking discovery occurs. In the end, it could be said that it doesn't matter how the energy is drawn but how people should handle the matter without invoking an apocalypse upon themselves. It is because of this that the private conversation between Yahakui and the Prime Minister was explored in length, but the method of creating Wam was hidden. It's not that it was a secret, it's just that what was more important was the argument of the PM - that a person can use a stick to build a shelter or to start a fire and it is the person's responsibility to use the stick justly, not the stick's.

While I don't entirely agree with the decision to show the world how to make Wam at home, considering the situation it was one of the best courses of action. And yet again I truly appreciate the thought that the creator put into the story, because at the end of the episode everyone's concerns with this happening were voiced by different characters, especially terrorism. We can't overlook what religiously brainwashed "the earth is flat and pokemons are messengers of the Devil" people can do with infinite energy.

And, if we have to be realistic, having infinite energy actually solves barely any of today's global issues. One could say that a child has an endless supply of energy, but if it doesn't have the right home and school environments, the chances of the said child growing into a prospective intelligent adult aren't as high as that of a child with a loving family and patient teachers. Poorer countries won't have the economy necessary to utilize this gift and the struggle to keep their little boats afloat will become even harder, with first-world countries raising the stakes even higher. It wouldn't even be surprising that, given time, third-world countries would go absolutely bankrupt, because they will be outcompeted. I would even go as far as saying that some countries might voluntarily give up and unite with others, knowing first-hand how the people of a trampled nation feel like. The world map will change drastically, until only a handful of countries or unions remain, which will undoubtedly spark cultural wars. Even if borders vanish, the majority wouldn't want to abandon their conciousness as part of a people, which is likely a part of the "right answer" Yahakui desires.

On the other hand, it could also be said that this process is happening right now, with many people abandoning the concept of nationality and choosing to be a "citizen of the world". But most of these people hail from poorer countries, which is why I can't help but think this is yet another means of manipulation by bigger countries to seize control of the flock that society is. True 'soul' unity would truly be "the right answer" but when those greedy for power step in, the idea becomes stained by corruption. This is unfortunately a dilemma I have yet to find the "right answer" to and it's something that has been coming up again and again in my mind with the resent events in Europe. Before the crisis, living in the union felt like we were becoming closer to achieving true "wholeness", despite the difference in language, heritage and colour and nationalism was something people thought of as radical and unnecessarily violent. Nowadays, people have come to realize that holding onto their nationality gives them some sort of safety and that "they" are different from "them", to the point where they forget that everyone other than "they" are human. In the face of a terrorist, this could be a good defence mechanism, but what if it's not a person who has bad intention but is still foreign? You can't be completely certain they aren't "bad", so you assume they could be, because they aren't part of your club. If it's global acceptance and unity we are thinking about, this way of thinking is wrong, but as events have proven, unity and acceptance are also flawed and deadly. I sincerely hope we find the "right answer" in my generation.

 
May 7, 2017 6:08 AM

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Bullshit Japanese philosophy with bullshit Japanese propaganda with half-assed research and thought put into it, that's what this episode is, was and will be.
 
May 7, 2017 6:12 AM

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As much as I would love to learn about how the Wam actually work and what lies beyond these little portals, I don't believe that that is meant to be the focus of the anime. Rather, it is humanity that is playing the main role and the author is exploring what could happen if such a ground-breaking discovery occurs.


Absolutely this! This story (so far) is essentially the backdrop for a thought experiment: what if all individuals were handed cheap, easily manufactured sources of infinite energy? This will have major economic, political and environmental consequences, and the true value of this story will be decided by how it portrays all this. It doesn't really matter that it's a little odd how easy it is to make Wam.

Economic: Huge, huge consequences - I don't think I'm qualified to quantify this. First off, energy will almost completely devalued, and the energy industry will crash and burn (some demand will remain, since most vehicles still use fossil fuel). Millions will lose their means of livelihood. The poor now have infinite energy, but they still don't have the means to use it. However, the devaluation of fuel will mean a lot of things will get cheaper.

Political - The oil countries be MAD. Russia, Saudi Arabia.. they will stand to lose a lot. This will lead to some kind of fallout, but I'm not sure how severe. Terrorist factions now have access to infinite energy, but not necessarily the means to use it - although I suppose it is just a matter of time before Wam gets weaponized in some form (one way that comes to mind is to create and store large amounts of antimatter - clean, beautiful destruction). Countries like North Korea will probably develop something like this first. However, I do not think war will take place, because there's MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. Wam-based WMDs will act as deterrents, just like nukes do today: the difference will be that non-proliferation will be moot - most countries should be able to weaponize it.


Environmental - The danger was discussed in this show already: an infinite source of energy could lead to a lot of heat being produced that isn't part of the Earth's current heat balance - this could lead to global warming. If the scientists are smart, though, they can use this infinite energy to funnel heat outside the Earth somehow. Efficiency doesn't matter anymore, it just has to work.

More fanciful thoughts:

- Space exploration would become much cheaper - so mankind could tap the rest of the solar system for other resources and colonize other planets more easily.

- Inter-matter conversion is now feasible. With advances in this and 3D-printing, it's possible that infinite amounts of food could be manufactured. Water wouldn't be a problem too. Good consequence - less starvation and malnutrition. Bad consequence - population boom.

Overall, I'm of the opinion that mankind is certainly not ready for something so extreme. As predicted by the Japanese PM already, a lot of people will die in the upcoming turmoil. Hopefully human civilization will emerge from it in not a complete mess.
 
May 7, 2017 7:34 AM

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WOW!
How did that happened!?
So you can simply make Wam from Origami!?
there's gotta be some trick on it! or else -> plot hole!
or maybe Yaha-kui zaShunina is in cahoots with the scientist girl...
5/5.


 
 
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World War 3 incoming ladies and gentlemen.
All people have their own sh*t tastes, therefore, there are no sh*t tastes, since everything is equally sh*t.

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May 7, 2017 2:12 PM

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Selfless government it seems lol. The end of the episode was a huge twist. We'll see how this plays out.
 
May 7, 2017 2:28 PM

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It's not necessarily 3d girl making a 4d object. Remember when zaShunina said that "a higher dimensional universe" as to explain Novo/Anisotropic was inappropriate? Previous episodes, and in that same episode, they hinted that these translation of words will cause misunderstandings or might deviate a certain percentage to it's original meaning?

*When ever I refer to our world, of course it means the world in this anime*
What if our world had anisotropic shape, and we just haven't discovered it yet? That might explain why the scientist was able to make a wam.For one, we didn't know that our bodies receive EM waves.

I'm also wondering how come even though the passengers of the airplane was converted to accommodate this higher dimension, they weren't able to tap to the warping abilities zaShunina do?

I might not have explained myself properly due to lack of sleep. I'll try to visit this again tomorrow.
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May 7, 2017 3:06 PM

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Interesting episode. Don't know how I feel about getting Wams from just shaping paper like that.


I propose we call the process "Wamagami".
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May 7, 2017 3:36 PM

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Damn good thing no one has ever smashed an five story stack of paper balls, or else the world would be even more fucked XD
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I'm going to try to create a Wam tonight!
 
 
May 7, 2017 10:53 PM

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I don't know what the big deal is. The Japanese built the "WaMu" starting in the '50s. (the most widely used boxcar on the JNR was known as the ワム80000 type)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wamu-82506.JPG#/media/File:Wamu-82506.JPG
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May 8, 2017 6:59 AM

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Is there a step by step guide for that wam ? XD This anime is amazing.
 
May 8, 2017 8:52 AM
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Hmm well after the UN opted to try and sanction Japan for allegedly hoarding all the wam lets see what ZaShuNina does to win over humanity and not their arrogant leaders. In real life the UN can't demand anything from a country anyway but its funny to see that here they have that power. Kanata's reaction on being chosen to argue the point was funny though. But man to think that every country in the UN voted to sanction Japan if they don't turn over the wam. The UN has less right to have the wam than Japan does you know. Given the threat public opinion i think will lean towards handing them over. If push comes to shove the self defense force will fight to the last to protect the country and its people. But i hope that it will not come to that. Its ironic that we are fighting over a energy source that will benefit all of humanity. Kurata though is really geeky in a cute way lol. Lol biting something is part of experimenting i see. Still given her skills Kanata is a great scientist that exceeds that of the labs head as well. Lol Kanata is a genius all right but the eccentric kind i guess in that she gets somewhat excitable. Given the threat from the UN the people panicking is something that is to be expected but man its disheartening to see.

Still because of the escort duty we get to see Saraka interact with ZaShuNina by herself which is interesting. I wonder what the other method that Za had that he chose not to use to spread the wam though. As human beings we are all unique after all so Saraka is adamant that the wam should not be offered eh. Given what the reaction has been so far im liable to agree. It didn't take long for protests to spring up did it. So the first thing the UN does is financial sanctions eh. Plus the deployment of the US's seventh fleet carrier strike group as well eh. The chief cabinet secretary sure is calm and cool given the situation. Hmm given how many distractions there can be in the workplace a shielded room was a great choice for Kurata. Hmm i can't wait to see what Shindo and ZaShuNina have in mind though. Kanata's expression when she's concentrating though lol.

Yea humanity though one race is divided into many nations that want different things. So pleasing all of them is almost impossible. ZashuNina's way of explaining difficult problems though was interesting. If humanity can just stop being selfish and learn to live peacefully with each other than that will be a miracle. Prosperity for humanity should be decided by humanity is something that i agree. And not just by individual leaders as well. Lol Saraka's expression on seeing ZaShuNina recite the main points of the words that she told him. The wam itself as it is is neither good or evil really since it depends on how they are used. The prime minster sure is a wise man though. Kanata's explanation of how wam is formed though is elegantly simple yet the implications are vast. To think that she can create the wam from paper though. But wow what a nicely played move on japan's part though as they through the media of the world and the unrestricted access to the internet had just passed the knowledge of how to make wam to the whole world bypassing the countries entirely lol. The reactions of the UN members though lol. But the implications of this are vast though. Still given that wam isn't actually infinite energy but only the required energy the risk is somewhat lower.

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Great. People like ISIS and other less ethical groups will make great use of this, while the good guys will hold back too much to properly reply. Once it's all over and done, nobody will care about Inexhaustible Energy.
 
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Apart from reducing the cost of life of people who have the chance to live in developed countries/towns (yeah, they're lucky no matter their social rank), reducing terrorism/war cost and some other things like that, I still don't see the global benefit to humanity.
This won't make more space for the overgrowing population, won't put water and food in people's stomaches, etc.

3/5 All hail the glorious Japan! This Prime Minister won't be living long enough to watch the world end, sadly.
 
May 10, 2017 1:49 AM

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err... i am disappointed with the ending of this episode.
The recipe of Wam is too silly and unrealistic.
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Now I am interested in the reaction of Tsukai for the release of the recipe.
At least, she was sensible for the matter.


that being can only make 10 per day

but the human somehow outsmarted that being and made them within like 10 minutes ... wow
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lol its funny how there's so much people didn't understand the paper Wam and thinks its silly and unrealistic. Its like those people from the era where science is considered magic and witchcraft.
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nyone knows where to find the "article seven of the un charter - actions to force compliance" ?
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May 10, 2017 11:37 AM

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nyone knows where to find the "article seven of the un charter - actions to force compliance" ?
thanks

Article 42

Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.


http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-vii/
 
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Wam is not a anisotropic object but rather a gateway item to anisotropic. Therefore it can be made from item in our world or anisotropic, given one, knows the trick to make it.
So why can zaShunina only make 10 per day while Shinawa can achieve the same result by making one in a mere couple minutes? This can be explained with the information that was already given to us. First, Kado, anisotropic's cube, can suck our object into it, anisotropic space, as soon as it touch the object but it would take 29days just to transfer 252 people back to the outside. In other word, it is easier for our object to go to anisotropic side than the object from anisotropic side to ours. This would give a good explanation as to why didn't zaShunina could just mass-product Wam before hand and dump a million of them on earth as soon as he introducing it to human because he has to process it before it can transfer to our universe and the processing takes time.


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Great episode even if I disagree with the whole DIY approach. I get the reasoning behind this gesture of mass distribution but the consequences are way too risky. I don't care how positive someone wants to be, humanity is not ready for that sort of thing and this would end in countless lives being destroyed.


I fully agree with you. Also, ZaShunina (or the author of the story) seems unable to grasp the basic concept of the social world being moved by economy, not energy. The UN 5 don't want anyone to have the Wam because that would simply ruin world economy as it stands today, and no government would ever allow having their corporations go bankrupt practically overnight. Also, that would create social chaos. Why would anyone make an appliance if people no longer need to pay for it, for example? And criminals would soon find ways to use Wam power to get more Wam and most people would just try to hoard as many Wam as possible, because they would never get the notion that having one or a million is the same thing. The Prime Minister talks about "surpassing national interests", but the matter goes way deeper. It's a question of individual interests, as well, and the interests of small and large groups, including criminal syndicates.
Finally, I simply detest the character of Shinawa. It's the old ridiculous chicle of the genius scientist (or artist or whatever) that is childish and thus "free of prejudice and with a mind open to infinite possibilities". That's just ridiculous. First, you get said open mind by gaining knowledge and experience, not by being childish. Second, the very notion of genius is stupid to begin with. I love characters in anime who point out how demeaning the idea of a genius is, not only to humanity in general, but to the very person being considered a genius, for that disregards all the hard work they had to do to reach the point they are, because a genius "was born that way". So she's able to pull magic out of her ass in the end of the episode by making a Wam out of origami. Just saying the solution is in the shape of the Wam is nonsense. It's OK if you want to ignore science and use magic, but please, don't focus on that. It's just like the magical ending of The Arrival movie. Being able to think in 4 dimensions would not give you the power to ignore the flow of time. The whole premise behind that is silly. The movie is good because that's not the focus, but rather the problem of communication. I hope this anime moves along the same lines, focusing on the problem of mutual understanding, instead of having a stupid mahou shoujou solve all the problems.
 
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Just take a piece of paper and make your own Wam. What are you waiting for? It's that easy. XD That was kinda ... ridiculous. I also think that they are weaker versions of the original, but it's still ridiculous. ^^" The right answer is... ORIGAMI.
And the scientist girl is annoying. I never ever met a scientist like that.
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I fully agree with you. Also, ZaShunina (or the author of the story) seems unable to grasp the basic concept of the social world being moved by economy, not energy. The UN 5 don't want anyone to have the Wam because that would simply ruin world economy as it stands today, and no government would ever allow having their corporations go bankrupt practically overnight. Also, that would create social chaos. Why would anyone make an appliance if people no longer need to pay for it, for example? And criminals would soon find ways to use Wam power to get more Wam and most people would just try to hoard as many Wam as possible, because they would never get the notion that having one or a million is the same thing. The Prime Minister talks about "surpassing national interests", but the matter goes way deeper. It's a question of individual interests, as well, and the interests of small and large groups, including criminal syndicates.


How many economies would crash and how hard? Big oil aren't known as beacons of morality. The millions of people dependent on them for work would probably get tossed aside so fast to keep a hold on their fortunes.

Also I can't imagine the type of paranoia running through the governments. US, Russia, China, Korea etc, how many of them are going to dedicate resources to be the first to weaponize WAM under the justification of security? LOL of course military contracts are massively profitable so I guess that could help stabilize the crippled economy.

Honestly such a massive paradigm shift would do more harm than good.
 
 
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ikarishinji49 said:
I fully agree with you. Also, ZaShunina (or the author of the story) seems unable to grasp the basic concept of the social world being moved by economy, not energy. The UN 5 don't want anyone to have the Wam because that would simply ruin world economy as it stands today, and no government would ever allow having their corporations go bankrupt practically overnight. Also, that would create social chaos. Why would anyone make an appliance if people no longer need to pay for it, for example? And criminals would soon find ways to use Wam power to get more Wam and most people would just try to hoard as many Wam as possible, because they would never get the notion that having one or a million is the same thing. The Prime Minister talks about "surpassing national interests", but the matter goes way deeper. It's a question of individual interests, as well, and the interests of small and large groups, including criminal syndicates.


How many economies would crash and how hard? Big oil aren't known as beacons of morality. The millions of people dependent on them for work would probably get tossed aside so fast to keep a hold on their fortunes.

Also I can't imagine the type of paranoia running through the governments. US, Russia, China, Korea etc, how many of them are going to dedicate resources to be the first to weaponize WAM under the justification of security? LOL of course military contracts are massively profitable so I guess that could help stabilize the crippled economy.

Honestly such a massive paradigm shift would do more harm than good.


Exactly! I'm afraid the story will take the naive route that our hero negotiator will be able to get things fixed with the several governments, not considering the larger issues you mentioned. We'll see. By the way, is you Thumbnail Ram talking about Barusu?
 
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ikarishinji49 said:
Exactly! I'm afraid the story will take the naive route that our hero negotiator will be able to get things fixed with the several governments, not considering the larger issues you mentioned. We'll see.


It would be a shame if they went that way. If this were two 24 episode filled seasons then I would enjoy a happy type ending. It would give them enough room to not just address the larger issues but also find ways to work around them. As it is, a 12 ep season ending in tragedy would make more sense. But you're right, we'll see.

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By the way, is you Thumbnail Ram talking about Barusu?


She's posing for him. I got it from ep 3 of Re:Petit kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu. A perfect pallette cleanser for the soul after watching an episode of Re:Zero.
 
May 11, 2017 8:58 AM
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She's posing for him. I got it from ep 3 of Re:Petit kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu. A perfect pallette cleanser for the soul after watching an episode of Re:Zero.[/quote]

Thanks for the response. I'll check that later. BTW, are you reading the webnovel? If not, as it's free online, it's being translated by The Holy Chicken & Friends at https://translationchicken.com/
Some very interesting developments. However, from what I see from comments in the site, we still have a LONG way to go. I hope we get seasons 3 and 4 of the anime, at least, however compressed the story is compared with the LN and even the WN.
 
May 11, 2017 9:37 PM

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Definitely an intersting anime that has a high potentiel of being something more than good.

For those criticizing the easiness of the Wam and how it's stupid that such technology can be created with nothing : the anime didn't create this idea. It's a commun hypothesis in the domain of science. Even, there is many research about this. Many people think that it's possible to creat some energy because of the form and not the matter. The anime is just playing with these theories.
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May 12, 2017 7:25 AM
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In my opinion we are missing a big point. Just because we have unlimited energy doesn't mean poverty ends. You can produce stuff way cheaper, build faster, more powerful things etc. But you still need the materials for it. And the materials (oil, metal) are indeed limited. With an unlimited energy source companies would produce much more stufft to earn more money. We won't be fighting for energy sources insteed we will fight over materials.

Good things is. It will massivly boost technology. So we can expand to other worlds to get more stuff, much more stuff^^. But still for space travel you need a lot of knowlegde and like always materials. So the rich countries will advance much faster and the poor countries will fight for the left overs.

And then a few centuries later something like LOGH will beginn ;).
 
May 12, 2017 9:26 PM

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If you don't need energy production, the maintenance of it, the continued exploration and exploitation to meet the demands of a growing and increasingly prosperous population because of your limitless Wam, that would obliterate entire industries and the economic base of a number of countries. And if a dirty bomb with nuclear material was scary, what about a bomb with Wam?

The anime definitely broaches some interesting topics and I continue to be excited about seeing where it goes with this all. So far it's all had a decently realistic tone and organic developments.

I hate the young girl scientist, she's obnoxious. The origami solution is an odd one for my limited lizard brain to process, but I can shrug and roll with it.
 
 
May 12, 2017 11:56 PM

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That was a crazy ending I did not see coming.
 
May 13, 2017 3:27 AM

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RainbowIslands said:
MegaBlasta said:


??? Sorry I don't understand what the video was for. What point were you trying to make with that? I'm not trying to be smart, I just don't understand how that correlated to the point you were trying to make. Regardless, yes, I understand those concepts.

1- I never said it wasn't his idea, I said his arrival. What does it having to be his idea have anything to do with what I said?I said kado didn't changed anything about the world, and I understand why. You're misconstruing what I'm saying.
You said yourself " Once there is a connection between inside and out, Kado (the computing cube thing) can route the energy through it." Which would require kado to be calculating ALL the wam that people "create" and route that energy through, thus affecting the entire world. Why are you going back on your word?

2- To get to higher dimensions we would have to punch through our temporal dimension, thus creating the 4th and higher spatial dimensions. The change and/or fold the "duration" of any one dimension to a different point or in this case, the possibility in our temporal space (time traveling/warm holing) is the higher dimension. So for us to get to any higher dimensions, we would have to punch through our own temporal dimensions to reach the 4th spacial dimension.

I suggest you watch this to get a better understanding on higher dimensions in relation to lower ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg85IH3vghA&t=968s
but I digress.

My problem isn't that paper cannot be affected by WAM energy, it is that simply folding a 3d shape in a 3d dimension could make it so you can access a higher plane. A 2 dimensional being can only fold and two dimensions, and will never be able to access the third dimension no matter how hard they tried. why does that work here? As Za said, he lives in a world that is adjacent to our world. So unless we are able to "bend" or "fold" in that spacial dimension at all, there is no way we can create a slope to access that plane. It always being there doesn't mean we're able to suddenly affect things in that dimension. it's a top down hierarchy.


3. Well for one, that had nothing to do with my bullet. I mean, that's cool that you understand it, but I was talking clearing up what she meant at the end when she said there's a trick to it.

What metaphor? I think everyone understood from episode 3 that they're tapping into the energy into Za's dimension. They've said it multiple times in the show so there's no "suggesting".


4. I'm talking about the fregonics when she created a shape that somehow accesses a higher dimensional plane. Za said he can access it himself, but the friction/distortion of the dimensions between makes the fregonics. I guess we will understand next episode, but why does it not appear when she so suddenly creates a shape that can interact with the 4th dimension.


You're explaining a lot of obvious aspects about the show, but not addressing my problem. Yes I understand how real dimensions work, but this story takes a realistic understanding of dimensions, and then says that I can fold my toilet paper to access infinite energy to power this infinitely powerful shit I'm going to take on this anime.
I kid of course.

I mean, shit dude, I didn't know this show had you using math and shit man I've been watching this show all wrong; maybe I should go back to grade school so I can be as smart as you.
(this time im being smart :p)

… You don’t have to do a personal attack. I know I’m not eloquent.

Anyways. I think we’re misunderstanding each other.
The difference between our assumptions is this:
- You believe that there is some sort of barrier that separates us between higher dimensions and what we are in, and that unless an object is in a higher dimension, it will not be able to interact.
- But I believe that even though we cannot perceive the higher dimension, we are still situated within that higher dimension, despite with negligible (~0) length in certain directions.

“It always being there doesn't mean we're able to suddenly affect things in that dimension.” We’re not, they’re affecting us. The 3D-folded object itself never had a higher dimensional “length”. It acts as an interface so that energy can enter through it in-and-out into our world. Energy, non-matter and dimension-less, is an inherent quality all dimensions can perceive as long as it contains the normal components that lower dimension contains. My intention for posting that video is that it is easy for a higher-dimensional being to take a lower-dimensional object and manipulate it in a higher dimension. The lower-dimensional object will only still perceive a cross-section of the world, but the energy acted can still be perceived regardless if done within those the object can perceive.

Since it’s difficult to imagine a 4D-> 3D thing, I’ll do it in a 3D->2D example.
Say we stick a piece of paper on a merry-go-round (on one of the bars) perpendicular to the ground. The plane that the paper started off will be the 2D plane we’re considering (the one that the paper is perceiving). Let’s spin the merry-go-round. Obviously, the paper gained energy, it’s moving. Can the paper perceive it? Let’s project the whole motion onto the 2D plane I noted. It would be like a point bouncing between two ends of a line. Yes. It’s moving. It gained energy. That energy is what is poured in from the higher dimension. Obviously we don’t know what kind of motion is done in the higher dimension, but I can imagine something like a perpetual pendulum (possibly related to its shape), and thus transferring “infinite energy” to a lower dimension.


That how I view it and wanted to share. If it makes sense to you, great, if not, then thanks for reading.


I think your assumption that "we're situated within the higher dimension" is what makes it hard to believe either sides of the discussion.
A paper, no matter how thin it is, is still a 3D object composed of 3D atoms ruled by 3D rules. Your 3D->2D example is flawed due to the supposition that we could compare a 2D world to a "2D" object in a 3D world. We can't say for sure whether the rules of a 3D world would have any effect in a 2D world (and vice-versa). We can't even assert the possibility of worlds with different dimensions being connected.

The anime, however, makes that assumptiom: their world is connected to Za's world, and there's a way to interact with the 4th dimension. DIY wam is a valid thing in their setting, the only problem is that we can't correlate with that world anymore, making it less realistic. At least, it solves the problem of sharing the wam.
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May 20, 2017 5:55 PM

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Sure you can have our marbles.
Here's how to make marbles.

Very funny.
 
Jun 2, 2017 8:45 PM

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Dam that was intense. I might as well try to make my own Wam.
 
Jun 3, 2017 12:33 PM
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It works ! I tried it at home and got 2 of those, it's insane because I don't have any bills to pay anymore

I rate 5/7
 
Jun 7, 2017 9:23 AM

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I think this is a great development, even if it's naive. Plus I find it unfair to put the responsibility on humanity as a whole, when only a minority of people would deliberately abuse the power (or at least, I'd like to believe that). But yeah, doing this without educating the people of the world on the responsible use of the Wam is also really dangerous, it would be like giving a chimp a machine gun.

But that's exactly why this is an interesting turn, even if it's a little bit contrived. We get to explore these implications now.

I made a conscious decision to just accept Dr. Shinawa as she is, forced moe and all. And it worked out. I can kind of appreciate the character on a concept level, as I think she represents an important aspect of humanity: child-like curiosity. Plus she was such a big dork in this episode... And I can't seem to be able to stay mad at a character voiced by Kugimiya Rie, apparently.




Vinyet said:
This also makes Shindo's origami hobby relevant.

That's a great point. That never occurred to me.
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Jun 21, 2017 5:42 AM

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Good, good. A straight up savage rekt was necessary. GG Japan.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:43 AM

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so it's just how it shaped?
they're choose to publication the creation.

serve you UN asshole, lol

next, they will move the cube?
 
Jul 15, 2017 9:31 AM
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Tho it goes into unbelievable scifi, the concepts & PM's decisions certainly are... revolutionary.
The anisotropic shape for wam.
Spinodal decomposition analogy to countries. Yaha seems want to eradicate existence of 'countries', as in blur the country boundaries, world peace & global village. Lots of possibilities including danger from wam.
Also infinite energy doesn't mean infinite tech, food, water or land. Religious & territory wars probably still break out.

 
Aug 9, 2017 6:55 AM

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Totally impressive episode! Really amazing ending as well! Really looking forwards to see what will happen now that the whole world has this knowledge!
 
Jan 13, 2018 3:41 AM

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Yep definitely enjoyed seeing those selfish UN bastards get one up as Japan decide to share the secret for anyone willing to see!
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