| So I dont youtube much, almost not at all. Like twice a month or so.... so anyway I was there and not looking at the shit section and the anime part was filled with these 5 things, lame opmfags saying saitama is better than goku, is better than superman and the age old argument older than youtube, mal google or probably the internet itself, goku vs superman, then you had this Gogeta VS Vejito vids. and they didnt really answer the question of who's better. but now the actual crux of the post, too many ssj4 vs ssjb vids and both seem to be partial to one kind. and since I dont want to make a vid, I decided to break it down here. This is the baseline http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_level said: Goku went all out here I think bcz krillin dies.... so thats his peak.The highest power level ever officially stated in the Daizenshuu guides is Super Saiyan Goku's power level of 150,000,000 while battling Frieza on Namek. Now ssj2 has a multiplier of 2 = 150 mil X 2 = 300mil. ssj3 is 4x means 300mil x 4 = 1200mil ie 1.2 Billion. so by end of dbz goku'spower is 1.2 billion. Gt states that his max power at the end of dbz is his BASE power. ssj4 is not just in the same line as ssj2 ssj3 n ssj4 so its not actually a 400x multiplier. its even greater. its a different line, that goes: you first turn into oozaru which is 10x. so goku is at 12 billion. then he goes supersaiyan 1 in his oozaru form inc by 50x then further condense it in his humanoid from it multiplies the power by 10x that is 500x. that means goku is now at 12 billion into 500 = 6000 billion ie 6 trillion. so taking the different route, ssj 4 is actually more ssj1 through oozaru form and not a direct line from 1 to 4. NOW GOD: the goku in this battle of gods /super is still weaker than base goku in gt. much weaker. his training has enabled him to reach ssj3 but his base is not ssj3. the way to become a god is 5 other saiyans giving their life force to you. they give their absolute most to you as they turn blue too. and while accepting that you are at your max too. [goku at 1.2 b] We know vegeta went beyond goku when beerus smack that bitch up. but by how much? well lets take it as .1 so now vegeta is at 1.3 billion. Ultimate gohan is close too, despite his actaul weakness fron being a nerd, its his max potential so lets take it as 1.1~2 b. [same as goku] ssj3 gotenks is far more powerful than goten and trunks alone, how strong are they? about 800 or 900 million each. and the unborn thing? another 800? so the amount of power given to goku is 5 billion. the way I see it is its works this way [given power by righteous saiyan 1+2+3+4+5] * receiving saiyan. the amount of power given is the multiplier and it goes : 5 billion into 1.2 billion = 6000000000000000000. The power of a Super Saiyan God is 6 quintillion. but goku isnt utilizing all of it fighting beerus, and when he loses god mode, the power decreases significantly, while still retaining god sense. but bcz goku is such a special snowflake, his reaching that power is enough to raise his base exponentially. Now if we say he's a million times weaker, his base form is 6 quintillion divided by 1 mil is 6 trillion. Post God state, botg/refF super's goku's base power is the same as gt's ssj4 goku. Now with god ki, he can just transform to super saiyan 1. which still has the same 50x multiplier, so Super Saiyan Blue is 300 trillion. So goku Blue is far more powerful, literally 50 times more powerful than ssj4. And that is at the end of battle of the gods, he then trains with Whis with vegeta not in blue but base form so he may have already reached the 6 quintillion mark in his base form. |
| Super Saiyan 4 is just fanfiction an DBZ powah levels have been irrelevant for many years |
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| The fuck are those acro dude? never heard of that... I'm quite surprised that Google knows it. |
| Why do people still care about power level values? They don't matter. At this point, either fans or creators just keep making up random numbers because the entire power level scale is a jumbled up mess in Super, which is the main reason I dislike the show. |
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| SSJ 4 easily Not that I prefer GT, but SS Blue is just lame and stupid, it doesn't look grand or powerful anymore |
 (っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥ |
SSJ Blue. SSJ4 just looks cool but it's a weak form compared to god forms. SSJ God allows Goku to fight a God of Destruction like Beerus and almost destroy the universe with punches. SSJ 4 doesn't have that kind of power. Kaioken can also be used with SSJ Blue considering it has perfect ki control unlike SSJ4. LOL I also remember an episode Goku got cut by glass in SSJ 4 LMAO.  |
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| initially, I didn't like either of them, the only thing I liked about ssj4 were the red kamehamehas and I sort of hated blue because it replaced super saiyan god which I liked more. However, I'd say that I like blue slightly more because it allows goku to use kaioken which makes him look badass. |
| The character design of gt's super Saiyan four never jive with me.always felt like it should been called something else.at least the character design doesn't look half assed designed unlike super's super Saiyan blue transformation is nothing than the character design of super Saiyan 1 pasted with blue on it.Lazy.Another thing I hate about super Saiyan blue is goku prefers it uses over the four previous super Saiyan forms no matter even if the opponent's power level is lower than super Saiyan blue. Seems like nothing but advertising. It should have been called super Saiyan 5 IMO. |
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| Im really a fan of SSJB for some reason Def SSJB :) |
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| In terms of design, I prefer SSJ4 but in terms of power I prefer SSB. (Even through in the recent episodes Toei make SSB weak as f***) |
| According to a particular bias YouTube channel; All those numbers are great on paper but it means nothing to Superman. He'll just take that paper and wipe his ass with it. |
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums. USERS ON MY IGNORED LIST: RayReynolds - SSL443 - Dr4kon - Nerdanimefan1992 - ToTheMountains - Fiveskies To add users to the Ignore list: (1) Go to Account settings (2) Click Forum tab and toggle down (3) Type or paste user name on entry box (4) Click Add and you're done. Problem solved, you'll never have to see someone trolling ever again because their post will be closed/collapsed. |
Janethan23 said: According to a particular bias YouTube channel; All those numbers are great on paper but it means nothing to Superman. He'll just take that paper and wipe his ass with it. You mean Death Battle? If it's the more powerful versions of Superman, oh yes. But the more normal ones like the one from the Animated Series or the Henry Cavill one from Batman vs Superman? Goku will have no trouble beating them at all. |
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| SSB > SSJ4 in power (www.goo.gl/5q2gsG) SSB < SSJ4 in design |
| Power levels in cardinal terms stopped being relevant so long ago. Now they are only treated in ordinal terms. And I prefer blue....but that's only because of an aesthetic reason. SS4 looked so beastly. |
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