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If this project moved up a few seasons the staff who are working on this project can migrate and work on AOT season 2 giving us 25 episodes(AOT and Mahoutsukai no Yome have different animators and staff working on it). I mean schedule 12 episodes of your biggest series and 24 episodes for this? Madness! very poor business decision.
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AoT isn't better than Mahoutsukai so..
 
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Sad that boring Sol will get 25 ep when Snk in only 12 ep...
At least they promised us that SNk will get a complet adaptation
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My interest in this show now skyrocket from 0 to 1000...
 
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At least they promised us that SNk will get a complet adaptation


They did? Is there a source for that info? I'd love to know.
 
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tragedydesu said:

At least they promised us that SNk will get a complet adaptation


They did? Is there a source for that info? I'd love to know.

"Araki already said he wanted to adapt the entire manga. The fact that they add a lot of foreshadowing in the ending theme of snk season 2, with stuff showing that are just release in hte latest manga chapters, means they have in mind that they will adapt these chapters eventually"

this is what Mal users said to me , i dont have any source for that info
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also lets not forget that Wit has now a fucking movie trilogy of a spin-off manga at the end of the year/beginning of 2018 too (Donten ni Warau Gaiden)

Wit has its priorities right. (lol)

Personally, not mad about Mahoutsukai no Yome will all the positive i hear about it, im definitly curious about it personally.
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tragedydesu said:

"Araki already said he wanted to adapt the entire manga. The fact that they add a lot of foreshadowing in the ending theme of snk season 2, with stuff showing that are just release in hte latest manga chapters, means they have in mind that they will adapt these chapters eventually"

this is what Mal users said to me , i dont have any source for that info


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It's a perfectly understandable decision. Mahoutsukai no Yome is lightyears better than AOT.

But you just couldn't hold the salt back.
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Kenna_Pyralis said:
If this project moved up a few seasons the staff who are working on this project can migrate and work on AOT season 2 giving us 25 episodes(AOT and Mahoutsukai no Yome have different animators and staff working on it). I mean schedule 12 episodes of your biggest series and 24 episodes for this? Madness! very poor business decision.

People are really blowing this "shortage of animators" case out of proportions since SnK S2 was announced to be 12 eps only. IIRC, the tweets that specifically started all this didn't even said it was what specifically led to SnK S2 being 12 eps. This shortage problem has already been going around way before this and we're still getting 2-cours everywhere but people just have to find something to blame huh. There could've been lots of reasons that lent themselves to SnK S2 just being 12 eps (and most likely each subsequent seasons):

1. The author want the anime to stay 2 arcs behind the manga, hence the wait for this season. (The manga is now 3 arcs ahead and a new arc has just started at this moment.)

2. 12 eps per season let them focus better on each arc with the details (foreshadows) , better production (animation and art), consistent pacing (the problem with the middle of S1), plus no more production issues (which started pretty early in S1 due to WIT being new studio but they've been having that even in Owari no Seraph which is a split-cour).

3. The wait for each 12 ep season won't be as long as say, 25 ep season. Sure, we might get more chapters adapted early at once but the wait for S3 will be longer since a new arc has just started and they at least need to wait for that to make another 25 ep season. Since there's probably only 2 arcs left before the manga ends, they could do a 12 ep season every year now until the end of the manga if all goes well instead of doing 25 ep season right now and waiting another 2-3 years for another season with the chances of it being inferior and riddled with production issues compared to the former.

 
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It's a perfectly understandable decision. Mahoutsukai no Yome is lightyears better than AOT.

But you just couldn't hold the salt back.


Stop playing dumb here, you know op is talking about this at a business wise perspective, snk is one, if not the biggest anime of this decade to become a international hit.

But all of this is pointless, because this is all speculation. Wit studio may have done this so the series can be release at a yearly basis than waiting 3 to 4 years for another season because of lack of source material.

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Stop playing dumb here, you know op is talking about this at a business wise, snk is one, if not the biggest anime of this decade to become a international hit.


I'm not playing anything, just giving my opinion. Also it's makes more sense for a series that involves less risk in sales to go for a larger run.
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Please stop. Get mad over short adaptation of AoT all you want, but don't hurt other series. I like both AoT and MnY...
 
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keragamming said:

Stop playing dumb here, you know op is talking about this at a business wise, snk is one, if not the biggest anime of this decade to become a international hit.


I'm not playing anything, just giving my opinion. Also it's makes more sense for a series that involves less risk in sales to go for a larger run.


A useless opinion since this wasn't a topic asking which series you like more.

Are you implying that snk that is in the top 10 best selling blu ray disc sales in anime history is a risk? And mahoutsuki isn't? How well did mahoutsuki anime did? Oh, yeah, it hasn't proven anything yet, its up in the air right now whether it will do well or flop.

Your comment is just not making sense.

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keragamming said:
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I'm not playing anything, just giving my opinion. Also it's makes more sense for a series that involves less risk in sales to go for a larger run.


A useless opinion since this wasn't a topic asking which series you like more.

Are you implying that snk that is in the top 10 best selling blu ray disc sales in anime history is a risk? And mahoutsuki isn't? How well did mahoutsuki anime did? Oh, yeah, it hasn't proven anything yet, its up in the air right now whether it will do well or flop.

Your comment is just not making sense.



First, yes I'm saying that SnK in the top ten is a risk, say that suddenly for whatever reason the animation starts to not be good, imagine the shitstorm.

Second, no Mahoutsukai isn't because is nowhere near as popular. Although it should be.

Third, it has proven how well it does because it already has a couple of OVA's. That and the good reception of the manga are the main reason for it to have an anime adaptation in the first place.

And four, why am I not allowed to give my opinion? Everyone does it.
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A useless opinion since this wasn't a topic asking which series you like more.

Are you implying that snk that is in the top 10 best selling blu ray disc sales in anime history is a risk? And mahoutsuki isn't? How well did mahoutsuki anime did? Oh, yeah, it hasn't proven anything yet, its up in the air right now whether it will do well or flop.

Your comment is just not making sense.



First, yes I'm saying that SnK in the top ten is a risk, say that suddenly for whatever reason the animation starts to not be good, imagine the shitstorm.

Second, no Mahoutsukai isn't because is nowhere near as popular. Although it should be.

Third, it has proven how well it does because it already has a couple of OVA's. That and the good reception of the manga are the main reason for it to have an anime adaptation in the first place.

And four, why am I not allowed to give my opinion? Everyone does it.


Quote from op. "I mean schedule 12 episodes of your biggest series and 24 episodes for this? Madness! very poor business decision."

This has nothing to do with ones opinion, he is talking about strictly business and marketing strategies. Money! what can make the most profit for a company. A lot of persons hate twilight, but it still make a ton of money, that is what business company care about the most.

In this world everything revolves around money, so continue being gullible.

I'm not even going to waste my time with those other points, I'm not sure if you are trolling.
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keragamming said:
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First, yes I'm saying that SnK in the top ten is a risk, say that suddenly for whatever reason the animation starts to not be good, imagine the shitstorm.

Second, no Mahoutsukai isn't because is nowhere near as popular. Although it should be.

Third, it has proven how well it does because it already has a couple of OVA's. That and the good reception of the manga are the main reason for it to have an anime adaptation in the first place.

And four, why am I not allowed to give my opinion? Everyone does it.


Quote from op. "I mean schedule 12 episodes of your biggest series and 24 episodes for this? Madness! very poor business decision."

This has nothing to do with ones opinion, he is talking about strictly business and marketing strategies. Money! what can make the most profit for a company. A lot of persons hate twilight, but it still make a ton of money, that is what the business care about the most.

In this world everything revolves around money, so continue being gullible.

I'm not even going to waste my time with those other points, I'm not sure if you are trolling.


I can fully assure you that I'm not trolling. Also, you seriously have a problem with opinions. And last bit calling me gullible is just a cheap excuse to not discuss my points.

I've never put my opinion in front of what are no more that facts, it's far easier to just put 12 well made episodes of something that will sell instantly that other show that will more likely take it's time to develop everything, because Mahoutsukai's pace is extremely slow.
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Quote from op. "I mean schedule 12 episodes of your biggest series and 24 episodes for this? Madness! very poor business decision."

This has nothing to do with ones opinion, he is talking about strictly business and marketing strategies. Money! what can make the most profit for a company. A lot of persons hate twilight, but it still make a ton of money, that is what the business care about the most.

In this world everything revolves around money, so continue being gullible.

I'm not even going to waste my time with those other points, I'm not sure if you are trolling.


I can fully assure you that I'm not trolling. Also, you seriously have a problem with opinions. And last bit calling me gullible is just a cheap excuse to not discuss my points.

I've never put my opinion in front of what are no more that facts, it's far easier to just put 12 well made episodes of something that will sell instantly that other show that will more likely take it's time to develop everything, because Mahoutsukai's pace is extremely slow.


Your gullible because you believe studios cares more about "quality" over "money". I have no problem with opinions as you can see another user above us has talked negatively about this series, I didn't reply to him, because that is his opinion.

What you said on the other hand just didn't make any sense at all, how can you say it is a "a perfectly understandable decision" on a business sense????


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keragamming said:
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I can fully assure you that I'm not trolling. Also, you seriously have a problem with opinions. And last bit calling me gullible is just a cheap excuse to not discuss my points.

I've never put my opinion in front of what are no more that facts, it's far easier to just put 12 well made episodes of something that will sell instantly that other show that will more likely take it's time to develop everything, because Mahoutsukai's pace is extremely slow.


Your gullible because you believe studios cares more about "quality" over "money". I have no problem with opinions. As you can see another user above us has talked negatively about the series, I didn't reply to him, because that is his opinion.

What you said just didn't make any sense at all, how can you say it is a "a perfectly understandable decision" on a business sense????


First, I do not belive that studios care about quality more than money, nor I've ever said it.

Second, I've already said why it's an understandable decision. It's 18th post in this thread, the one you refused to discuss.

And third, for more measure you didn't called out that other user for his/her opinion but you're doing it with me. And for no apparent reason.
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Your gullible because you believe studios cares more about "quality" over "money". I have no problem with opinions. As you can see another user above us has talked negatively about the series, I didn't reply to him, because that is his opinion.

What you said just didn't make any sense at all, how can you say it is a "a perfectly understandable decision" on a business sense????


First, I do not belive that studios care about quality more than money, nor I've ever said it.

Second, I've already said why it's an understandable decision. It's 18th post in this thread, the one you refused to discuss.

And third, for more measure you didn't called out that other user for his/her opinion but you're doing it with me. And for no apparent reason.


Your post makes no sense and you are just grasping at straws, that is why I ignore it. I'm done talking with you,and this is why I should not have replied to a dumb comment in the first place. stupid me.
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What is this. Why the hate for MnY. Seriously the AoT manga isn't ending very soon. Unlike a couple of years before the mangaka announced it will end in 2017 and I agree 12 ep is enough for now. There's more for AoT in the future. If anyone would be like to read the manga they will see that. X(
 
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good to know, i hope they make another season after 3 years.




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Sorry man, but regardless of business issues, I without a doubt would have preferred AOT to be 12 episodes instead of The Ancient Magus' Bride.
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I say scrap AoT and give us more of Mahoutsukai -_-
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Even though the reason why there hasn't been more than 12 episodes due to the issue of the anime industry. :/

So no, this issue has been like this before Mahoutsukai no Yome even got this. Pretty sure that's something to know about.
 
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Well I at least expected this series to have 12 EP only, and now that it is compose of 24 EP, I'm happy...

Also, currently reading the manga so... Mhhh....


 
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Honestly, this show sounds more interesting than Attack on Titan.
 
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It sounds like the anime industry got the short end of the stick when it came to AoT issues. Who says the lack of animators is the real issue anyway? It sort of just ran off on twitter etc.

AoT lost the plot ages ago and it's just hype and it's not even AoT nor the author's fault. My bet is the author lost his reason to fight for the animation of it. It's a clear case of the publisher wanting to suck the author dry and the manga has been extended into oblivion and ruined the story.
 
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Because random MAL users sure are better business specialists than studios themselves. They had their reasons.


 
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Because random MAL users sure are better business specialists than studios themselves. They had their reasons.

Well please guide me with your thoughts at the possible 'reasons' the studio had to not maximise the profit from their biggest series. Also "Because random MAL users sure are better business specialists than studios themselves" implies that all studio make good business decisions when there are many times where that was clearly not the case such as studio pierriot and tokyo ghoul.
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Well please guide me with your thoughts at the possible 'reasons' the studio had to not maximise the profit from their biggest series. Also "Because random MAL users sure are better business specialists than studios themselves" implies that all studio make good business decisions when there are many times where that was clearly not the case such as studio pierriot and tokyo ghoul.


Just some possibilities listed in this topic:
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1. The author want the anime to stay 2 arcs behind the manga, hence the wait for this season. (The manga is now 3 arcs ahead and a new arc has just started at this moment.)

2. 12 eps per season let them focus better on each arc with the details (foreshadows) , better production (animation and art), consistent pacing (the problem with the middle of S1), plus no more production issues (which started pretty early in S1 due to WIT being new studio but they've been having that even in Owari no Seraph which is a split-cour).

3. The wait for each 12 ep season won't be as long as say, 25 ep season. Sure, we might get more chapters adapted early at once but the wait for S3 will be longer since a new arc has just started and they at least need to wait for that to make another 25 ep season. Since there's probably only 2 arcs left before the manga ends, they could do a 12 ep season every year now until the end of the manga if all goes well instead of doing 25 ep season right now and waiting another 2-3 years for another season with the chances of it being inferior and riddled with production issues compared to the former.


Obviously studios make mistakes and nobody here knows real reason behind this decision. That doesn't change the fact that we don't know shit about their situation, finances, relations or (company) politics. For all we know they might even do it to make some noise around the series and then announce another season. We simply don't have sufficient data nor experience in this field to judge business decisions of animation company.
In the end of the day they make it for living. Unless they really fucked up, they always would pick more profitable solution.

And tbh I don't really care about people shitting on them. I do care however that this salt is coming into other titles subforum.


 
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when u type out a whole reply but realise u actually don't care and are very ??? about this topic's relevancy in regards to this anime that doesn't even start airing until Fall
 
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... so and? I have read a bit of the manga and this is a beautiful piece and very underrated / not popular enough.
There will a 3rd season in 2018 for AoT. They covered an arc with S2. That's perfectly fine.
 
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I wish people would stop throwing their toys out of the pram because they wanted more of a different toy. The fact is that Studio WIT have every right to make whatever anime they want whenever they want and the creator of AoT has every right to decide when he wants another season released and which studio he wants to approach to make it.

You can complain all you like about Attack on Titan season 2 only having 12 episodes, I understand why someone could be frustrated by twelve episodes after a four year wait but I would prefer if it was done someplace else. Most people coming to this forum are here to discuss "the ancient magus bride" not Attack on Titan. On top of that trying to encourage people to hate or get angry with Magus Bride over a petty grudge seems like a terrible attitude to have.
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AoT isn't better than Mahoutsukai so..

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The question is, would there be butthurt fans downvoting this because aot2 isn't 2 cour?

 
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The question is, would there be butthurt fans downvoting this because aot2 isn't 2 cour?



Looks like it yes. Well anything in the top airing on the main page gets downvoted easily anyway.
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talking about profit , 12 eps already enough to restore people hype. if there will be no hype difference from 12eps and 24eps , the studio might have different option.

that aside ,MnY seems promising , and the fact that wit studio that makes great animation like AoT, makes a must list for me this season
 
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AoT is just Western pleb show. Japanese audience more important.
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Well the two are really good so whatever! the fans of shingeki no kyojin have already wait 4 years, we can easily wait some years again to watch this one! (maybe just 2-3 seasons before aot)
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I'm rather watching a good SoL anime than an overdramatised shounen action series like SnK is right now especially in S02. Hopefully the Mahoutsukai no Yome series turns out to be really good. But I'm optimistic.
 
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tragedydesu said:
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They did? Is there a source for that info? I'd love to know.

"Araki already said he wanted to adapt the entire manga. The fact that they add a lot of foreshadowing in the ending theme of snk season 2, with stuff showing that are just release in hte latest manga chapters, means they have in mind that they will adapt these chapters eventually"

this is what Mal users said to me , i dont have any source for that info


And let's not forget that funimation posted a "trailer" for season 3 that shows a lot of information from the manga.

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yep , there is a big chance that s3 will have 2 cour :)
i hope wit studio keep the same great work
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yep , there is a big chance that s3 will have 2 cour :)
i hope wit studio keep the same great work


Big chance? It has been confirmed that there will be a season 3. xD
They say we'll be getting season 3 next year, but who knows what will happen within that time...
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i know , i meant that from the trailer Snk s3 can have 24 ep
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i know , i meant that from the trailer Snk s3 can have 24 ep


Oh, my bad..

And yea, hopefully. We better get more than 12 episodes! XD
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inb4 blaming KnK? Now MnY? What's up with these people?
This kids needs to grow up and study business courses.
And SnK S2 got a shitty arc, and the start of S3 is shittiest of all arcs! (Uprising)
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Don't be so mean about Mahoutsukai no Yome. Because SnK has 12 eps why do you speak bad about another series which has no relation to SnK?



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My interest in this show now skyrocket from 0 to 1000...


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Honestly, this show sounds more interesting than Attack on Titan.


these are exactly my thoughts
 
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What bothers me is people are going to want to score it low because Aot S2 didn't get two cours and this did. Now don't get me wrong I really like AoT, but the people doing that give AoT fans a bad name. :(
 
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