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the previous generations not only fought for a more altruistic society but helped establish and maintain one that was more altruistic than the one their parents' generation could make. The new generation is simply echoing the progressive ethic, while older generations are going "durr hurr change bad"

The only thing holding progress back is the hideous lie that younger people are looking for handouts.

Go ahead, i'll send you $1,000 through PayPal if you can name a single thing that would be dubbed real "progress" in any civilized nation.

The whole "progress" meme that's pushed by the mentally challenged Left seem to think "w-w-women's rights!" in America and other such completely retarded/non-existent arguments are real issues in 2017.

There's no progress to be had other than extinguishing socially degenerate practices that benefit no one.

E@OP: There's a reason why many of the world leaders at the moment have been elected or are in the process of winning elections, that lean more to the Right with traditional values. The screeching of the Left has been heard loud and clear, ranging from "m-multiculturalism (without real assimilation) is such a good thing! d-d-diversity! hurrrrr!" and "women's pay gap! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" which is also total fucking stupidity (earnings gap, not a wage gap); all of this has resulted in Trump getting elected, Brexit succeeding, Geert Wilders becoming popular, Marine Le Pen becoming popular, and the list goes on with other happenings.

The lunacy of forced "progress" in the world and the incessant crying of Liberals about wanting free health care, free this, free that, tax the rich more than they already are, forced acceptance of socially degenerate practices that go against traditional values, blah blah blah.

But who cares right? As long as all the losers get their participation awards and "we're all winners!" mentality is pushed cuz muh equalities, we'll do just fine lol

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before I answer, what is your definition of progress? What do you think progress is? I want to know beforehand, that way if I respond you don't just flip the intended meaning around on me. It also may be possible you don't have a firm grasp on what progress is, so I just want to give you the opportunity to clarify your intended usage.

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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before I answer, what is your definition of progress? What do you think progress is? I want to know beforehand, that way if I respond you don't just flip the intended meaning around on me. It also may be possible you don't have a firm grasp on what progress is, so I just want to give you the opportunity to clarify your intended usage.

Look at you try to beat around the bush and bend definition to suit your argument lol

You understand full well what i'm asking, stop wasting my time and answer the question.

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I'm giving you the chance to define progress here, so it's actually the opposite: Im not trying to beat around the bush at all.

You get to define the word, then I'll see if such progress by that definition has happened. If it hasn't, it hasn't. If I can think of an example that fits your definition, I'll cite it then you can review it.

Trying to dodge an opportunity to explain your position is what really deserves suspicion here.

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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For example, my idea of progress may be too broad or vague. That's why I have a feeling your definition may be more specific and will give me something to go on as to whether I should adjust my views on the topic.

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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I'm giving you the chance to define progress here, so it's actually the opposite: Im not trying to beat around the bush at all.

You get to define the word, then I'll see if such progress by that definition has happened. If it hasn't, it hasn't. If I can think of an example that fits your definition, I'll cite it then you can review it.

Trying to dodge an opportunity to explain your position is what really deserves suspicion here.

There's nothing to dodge when it's your own argument that you're supposed to be defending. You already have a clear definition of what you see progress as, me sitting here allowing you to shift the goalposts to arguing semantics over what "real" progress is, isn't happening.

I'll say it a third and final time and then i'm done if you can't simply tell me. Give me an example of what "progress" needs to be made; this question alone gives you more than enough room to set up your own argument any which way you'd like and present something worthy of actually being called "progress" in a modern, civilized nation.

I'm not making this more difficult than it needs to be, you're doing that all on your own by putting far too much thought into something very simple.

To make it easier, obviously i'm not referring to countries like KSA where women don't share the same rights and privileges of men.

E: In case I didn't communicate this clear enough, definition is irrelevant, present what you deem progress and explain why, that's all i'm interested in. I'm a very understandable person, so this shouldn't be something that requires unnecessary effort.

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Based on your first post, he knows that if he provides an example before you two establish an understanding of what progress is you will twist it into some stupid bullshit about how X example "isn't progress" in your book. Avoiding an argument of semantics is precisely the reason why he's giving you the chance to initiate the conversation in your own terms, but you're too far up your own ass to realize that because you're an antagonistic piece of shit.

Try again, dumbass, progress is easily identified. It's in the same league as idiots who think "contemporary art" is art, when it has no real standard value to it whatsoever because it hides behind the facade of the special snowflake definition of "art" being interpretive and acceptable without any standard for quality or professionalism.

Same goes for what PROGRESS is in a modern society where all races, religions, males, females, and any other difference is equal under the protection of the government in the year 2017.

Now, go back to your tumblr safe-space where you can bitch and moan about unimportant things.

E: I'll offer the same challenge to you, name a single thing that is without a doubt "progress" in a civilized country and i'll PP you $1K.

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Based on your first post, he knows that if he provides an example before you two establish an understanding of what progress is you will twist it into some stupid bullshit about how X example "isn't progress" in your book. Avoiding an argument of semantics is precisely the reason why he's giving you the chance to initiate the conversation in your own terms, but you're too far up your own ass to realize that because you're an antagonistic piece of shit.

the problem is I made a statement earlier that progress has always been happening. Then he responded by offering a reward if I can name a single thing that would be dubbed real progress in any civilized world. Then after I asked for clarification, the question changed into a request for an example of progress that needs to be made, which I would argue is a completely different question. So I guess I'll need clarification on which example he actually wants

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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NudeBear said:
Based on your first post, he knows that if he provides an example before you two establish an understanding of what progress is you will twist it into some stupid bullshit about how X example "isn't progress" in your book. Avoiding an argument of semantics is precisely the reason why he's giving you the chance to initiate the conversation in your own terms, but you're too far up your own ass to realize that because you're an antagonistic piece of shit.

the problem is I made a statement earlier that progress has always been happening. Then he responded by offering a reward if I can name a single thing that would be dubbed real progress in any civilized world. Then after I asked for clarification, the question changed into a request for an example of progress that needs to be made, which I would argue is a completely different question. So I guess I'll need clarification on which example he actually wants

In other words you can't actually name something that anyone would identify as something we, society as a whole, would say "yes, we need that!" without any opposition.

Your example is not dependent upon my definition when i'm explicitly asking you to give me an example of what you consider to be progress. Or again, are you conceding to the fact that it isn't worthy of even being considered "progress"? Maybe you should think of a different label for your "progress" then, because the more secretive you are the more i'm beginning to think it's going to be a copy/paste comment regarding "muh wage gap."

E: Actually, how about we just play a game, since I know you won't tell me, I guess i'll just have to... guess.

Does it have to do with equality under the law?

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are you sure? social darwinism is so alive today look at the worsening wealth inequality around the world you will hear news that only 8 rich people holds the same wealth as half of the human population so there is no economic equality today at all

and worse you will hear news that automation will kill more jobs in the future, automation and outsourcing of work today already made salaries not increasing for decades, typical work today involves too much hours with so little pay

so thats why a lot of young people are looking for an alternative like socialism or even basic income or if you are a conservative then you hate globalization since you think the elites/rich are always outsourcing/automating jobs to maximize their profit while the working class and middle class continue to suffer

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are you sure? social darwinism is so alive today look at the worsening wealth inequality around the world you will hear news that only 8 rich people holds the same wealth as half of the human population so there is no economic equality today at all

and worse you will hear news that automation will kill more jobs in the future, automation and outsourcing of work today already made salaries not increasing for decades, typical work today involves too much hours with so little pay

so thats why a lot of young people are looking for an alternative like socialism or even basic income or if you are a conservative then you hate globalization since you think the elites/rich are always outsourcing/automating jobs to maximize their profit while the working class and middle class continue to suffer

Tip of the iceberg as to why we have these issues in the US.

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the only justice worth mentioning today in my books is the idea of economic justice

those SJWs are just reactions to economic injustice worsening now a days imho

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@j0x to be fair, automation is near-inevitable.

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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@j0x to be fair, automation is near-inevitable.

ye i know but politicians and governments especially on rich countries should talk and prepare for it already

automation is already starting to make factory jobs obsolete anyway so service oriented jobs that are popular today will be next

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Crusader_8 said:
@j0x to be fair, automation is near-inevitable.

ye i know but politicians and governments especially on rich countries should talk and prepare for it already

automation is already starting to make factory jobs obsolete anyway so service oriented jobs that are popular today will be next

Then you should be advocating for what others have been for a long time; lowering the cost of education. Just a very few decades ago college didn't cost you tens-of-thousands for a simple Bachelor's.

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j0x said:

ye i know but politicians and governments especially on rich countries should talk and prepare for it already

automation is already starting to make factory jobs obsolete anyway so service oriented jobs that are popular today will be next

Then you should be advocating for what others have been for a long time; lowering the cost of education. Just a very few decades ago college didn't cost you tens-of-thousands for a simple Bachelor's.

sure but automation will not stop progressing until like 90-99% of human jobs out there are obsolete

technological singularity has a high chance of being achieve this century and when that happens then ye automation can make human jobs rare and the remaining jobs will be advance (high skilled) programmers and engineers and not everyone have an intellect to learn those few remaining jobs

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the problem is I made a statement earlier that progress has always been happening. Then he responded by offering a reward if I can name a single thing that would be dubbed real progress in any civilized world. Then after I asked for clarification, the question changed into a request for an example of progress that needs to be made, which I would argue is a completely different question. So I guess I'll need clarification on which example he actually wants

In other words you can't actually name something that anyone would identify as something we, society as a whole, would say "yes, we need that!" without any opposition.

Your example is not dependent upon my definition when i'm explicitly asking you to give me an example of what you consider to be progress. Or again, are you conceding to the fact that it isn't worthy of even being considered "progress"? Maybe you should think of a different label for your "progress" then, because the more secretive you are the more i'm beginning to think it's going to be a copy/paste comment regarding "muh wage gap."

E: Actually, how about we just play a game, since I know you won't tell me, I guess i'll just have to... guess.

Does it have to do with equality under the law?

Just because I ask for clarification doesn't mean I don't have valid responses in wait. Just like how I don't assume your position is wrong because I still don't really understand your position - mostly because I detect that we have different usages for the word progress. Asking for clarification does not equal conceding a point. Nor is it ducking or dodging anything. I just want to fulfill your request satisfactorily. I'm just surprised how much of a rude prick you continue to be with your strawman proclamations and other general assumptions. You don't even know what my thoughts are on whether the wage gap is even real. I could've already responded to your original demand long ago if it weren't for you trying to decide for me what my beliefs and positions are. Though I can't entirely blame you for being so aggressive when it's unnecessary, you're probably used to arguing with people who DO shove out piss-poor arguments with irrational partisan beliefs.

If I need to give an example of progress to you, I want your definition first. I dont have to entertain your misapprehension of me, or your possible intellectual dishonesty, otherwise. I would also like to know if you want an example of progress that happened in the past, progress that I would argue that we need, or examples of both.

There is absolutely no reason why I should accept "turn your brain off" as a valid excuse to defend a poor show.

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Also sorry for not responding sooner; I'm trying to cram in the last several episodes of something

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Humanitariaism =/= sjw

This thread was doomed from the start.

Mar 24, 2017 1:38 AM

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You're wrong for thinking that every millennial wants the same thing.
I personally like what the older people are going with, I think the earth is better that way. Just an opinion though.

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Survival of the fittest is irrelevant. If it's true, then it doesn't matter what the SJW's do. The law cannot be reversed or changed.

If that law can be changed and turned over, then why must keep with it?

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you misunderstood it. SJW is actually a survival strategy of some minorities. the reason why it is so popular and widespread is the proof that SJW is the more fittest community than others.

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I have thought about this before and I don't think this whole SJW thing doesn't escape the 'survival of the fittest' mentality.
If they win then they are the fittest.

I mean, look at them, so aggressively aiming to change things to fit their ideals. They're playing this survival game just like the rest of us do.

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Humanitariaism =/= sjw

This thread was doomed from the start.

agreed. Brings to mind dozens of Picard quotes

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Humanitariaism =/= sjw

This thread was doomed from the start.

agreed. Brings to mind dozens of Picard quotes

To make it worse they also don't seem to know survival of the fittest isn't Darwinian it came from some economist jackass. Humans aren't made to compete

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traed said:

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agreed. Brings to mind dozens of Picard quotes

To make it worse they also don't seem to know survival of the fittest isn't Darwinian it came from some economist jackass. Humans aren't made to compete

it's been misrepresented as darwinian by theists in order to attack atheism, so we're mever going to hear the end of it lol

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I dunno, OP. I've met plenty of elderly people who aren't uptight conservatives and have reasonable opinions about the future and the younger generations. I've also met plenty of young people who aren't edgelords or SJWs proclaiming wild idealistic ideas about the current state of the world.

I think you just need to interact with more people before you pit two extremist ideologies with one another.

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I dunno, OP. I've met plenty of elderly people who aren't uptight conservatives and have reasonable opinions about the future and the younger generations. I've also met plenty of young people who aren't edgelords or SJWs proclaiming wild idealistic ideas about the current state of the world.

I think you just need to interact with more people before you pit two extremist ideologies with one another.

People forget SJW's a bit of a spawn of critical theory, only much more simplified. A lot of the ideas there originate in the continental philosophy, so you need to read these dudes before understanding its 'idealism'.

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Anyone who uses that as a justification for current socio-economic relations doesn't actually know anything about Darwinian theory, and most likely they are a retarded "word thinker".

One of the interesting cruxes of humanity is that we are not bound to the same "laws of nature" that other animals are. Humans in a sense, have created our own world, that operates and changes based on the rules and revolts humans create. Survival of the fittest for humans has been irrelevant since the creation of agriculture.

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I would like to say that I would continue with an altruistic view, but I would probably end up more like Bill Gates: still hella rich, but donating a ridiculous amount of money to charity every year. So I guess I'd go to the middle ground.

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Even though I would be considered a lefty by most people's standards, I despise social justice warrior or any other over sensitive extremist lefty.

Political correctness is disgusting when taken to extremes.

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Even though I would be considered a lefty by most people's standards, I despise social justice warrior or any other over sensitive extremist lefty.

Political correctness is disgusting when taken to extremes.

Hey, you are not "lefty" if you don't like progressives. The term you are looking for is brogressive or maybe tankie.

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Tachii said:
I dunno, OP. I've met plenty of elderly people who aren't uptight conservatives and have reasonable opinions about the future and the younger generations. I've also met plenty of young people who aren't edgelords or SJWs proclaiming wild idealistic ideas about the current state of the world.

I think you just need to interact with more people before you pit two extremist ideologies with one another.

I've also met a few elderly people who are inbetween, far left, but for the most part I would say it is safe to assue judging by the primaries of 2016, there were more elderly people on Hilarys side. That is if what I'm reading is correct.

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Humanitariaism =/= sjw

This thread was doomed from the start.

I have a minimalistic view of SJW and have never met an extremist SJW. Everyone I've met is pretty moderate. My view of SJW is simply millenials fighting for "change" without knowing exactly how to other than "raise awareness". To put it short, I just take the SJW is it's literal form. "Social" = collective, "Justice" = for the so called "right thing" , Warrior = "fighters", not whatever the hell everyone else is thinking. So in my perspective, SJW = Humanitariaism

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are you sure? social darwinism is so alive today look at the worsening wealth inequality around the world you will hear news that only 8 rich people holds the same wealth as half of the human population so there is no economic equality today at all

and worse you will hear news that automation will kill more jobs in the future, automation and outsourcing of work today already made salaries not increasing for decades, typical work today involves too much hours with so little pay

so thats why a lot of young people are looking for an alternative like socialism or even basic income or if you are a conservative then you hate globalization since you think the elites/rich are always outsourcing/automating jobs to maximize their profit while the working class and middle class continue to suffer

I'm an observer really. Personally I can understand being uncaring and selfish as fuck only caring about my world of interests, screw everyone else EVEN if I end fucking myself in the process and I can understand trying to fix the world. Honestly a 50/50 split, which is why I'm asking how many people here actually are willing to soak their time into a "progressive" change for the "weak" or everyone for themselves

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Is this where you live?

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SzJ said:

D_Dog said:
Even though I would be considered a lefty by most people's standards, I despise social justice warrior or any other over sensitive extremist lefty.

Political correctness is disgusting when taken to extremes.

Hey, you are not "lefty" if you don't like progressives. The term you are looking for is brogressive or maybe tankie.

I like progressives. I dislike extremists.

Is it that hard to understand, bruh?

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Hey, you are not "lefty" if you don't like progressives. The term you are looking for is brogressive or maybe tankie.

I like progressives. I dislike extremists.

Is it that hard to understand, bruh?

If you think that le boogeyman social justice warriors exist, then chances are that when you say you dislike extremists, you mean progressives, and when you say progressives, you mean brogressives. In other words, you like legal weed and legal gay marriage, but anything else is extreme for you, e.g. admitting that the wage gap exists or that there is a rape culture.

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SzJ said:

D_Dog said:

I like progressives. I dislike extremists.

Is it that hard to understand, bruh?

If you think that le boogeyman social justice warriors exist, then chances are that when you say you dislike extremists, you mean progressives, and when you say progressives, you mean brogressives. In other words, you like legal weed and legal gay marriage, but anything else is extreme for you, e.g. admitting that the wage gap exists or that there is a rape culture.

I'll just say this in a few words: culture of victimhood.

Edit: decided to add that I'm aware that wage gap exists and that rape culture exists as well as a culture of violence towards men.

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"Elderly people are telling the new gen to stfu"

If you see a 6 year-old kid who cries and mommy gave the iPad for him to be quite. The kid will fail early on his life.

If you see a 6 year-old kid who cries and mommy warns him t be quite, and if still didn't get quite, smack the shit out of him. The kid will be on the high end.

Okay... so... what now?

I see no problem with survival of the fittest to be honest...

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What does this thread have to do with survival of the fittest?

I think OP is confused, and everybody trying to have a serious discussion here is even more confused.

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OP Were you drunk when you wrote that post? Half of it doesn't even make sense . . . What the fuck is a Puritan communist? And what does survival of the fittest have to do with "on for all or one for all"? (did you mean one for all and all for one? - not that it would matter)

Also, not positive, but pretty sure poor people have more children on average than their rich counterparts, which therefore makes them more "fit" (survival of the fittest does not relate to traits such as intelligence, but rather traits that increase the chance of producing more offspring)

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D_Dog said:

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If you think that le boogeyman social justice warriors exist, then chances are that when you say you dislike extremists, you mean progressives, and when you say progressives, you mean brogressives. In other words, you like legal weed and legal gay marriage, but anything else is extreme for you, e.g. admitting that the wage gap exists or that there is a rape culture.

I'll just say this in a few words: culture of victimhood.

Edit: decided to add that I'm aware that wage gap exists and that rape culture exists as well as a culture of violence towards men.

well, I'm confused now. What do you mean by culture of victimhood? Also, culture of violence towards men?

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Re:Wage gap and rape culture, the issue is much more complicated than what your confirmation biased editorial newsfeed might suggest. I consider myself a liberal, but I practice responsible, fact-based liberalism with nuance. I dislike "progressives" (SzJ) because you guys have the same mindset as Trump supporters who happen to get lucky and land on the right side. When we boil down the train of thought, the victimization, the group psychology, the moralizing, selective fact processing, and the ability to eat up ideologies handed to you without questioning is unmistakable. You guys are more like counterculture conservatives than true liberals, in my opinion. You use terms like "woke" like Glenn Beck uses "9/12". The positions you take are not extreme in the sense that they are more to the left -- I am more left than you. They are just unexamined because the conversation isn't there for people who let their emotions rule their policy.

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SzJ said:

D_Dog said:

I'll just say this in a few words: culture of victimhood.

Edit: decided to add that I'm aware that wage gap exists and that rape culture exists as well as a culture of violence towards men.

well, I'm confused now. What do you mean by culture of victimhood? Also, culture of violence towards men?

Well, let's see... the whole concept of microaggressions is the result of the victimhood culture.

As for the culture of violence towards men, a 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 79% of the victims worldwide.

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D_Dog said:

SzJ said:

well, I'm confused now. What do you mean by culture of victimhood? Also, culture of violence towards men?

Well, let's see... the whole concept of microaggressions is the result of the victimhood culture.

As for the culture of violence towards men, a 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 79% of the victims worldwide.

LMAO, how can you complain about victimhood culture and then try desperately to make men the victims of modern society by a "culture violence of men"? Do you realize that most homicides and assaults are done by men?

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Mar 26, 2017 2:07 AM

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