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Mar 18, 2017 5:24 PM
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Holy shit, Goku's opponent is really tough, capable of dealing with his SSJ form with almost no problem. However, Goku's God form is capable of fighting against Toppo pretty well.

Action was good this episode. I think the episode had a good amount of momentum from start to finish with little time wasted.

Good fight overall. It definitely lived up to my expectations.
Mar 18, 2017 5:31 PM
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Aw, Goku and Toppo's fight got stopped at the best part...naturally. XD Oh well, at least Buu has done well so far. Seems we're in for an adorable arrival next week. XD
Mar 18, 2017 8:15 PM
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Goku continues to be the biggest villain in the universe
Mar 18, 2017 8:23 PM
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Goku continues to be the biggest villain in the universe


*in all universes :D

Hey, never asked the question but why in the world is Muten Roshi and Tien / Kuririn in the tournament (no spoiler if you look at the opening) but not Goten or Trunks if the tournament is that important?
Especially since they can go Gotenks SSJ3 form that has to be at least closest to SSJ Red / Blue? Probably even Gohan isn't close with his max SSJ2 so far.
Even Gotens / Trunks SSJ form has to be pretty much stronger than Tien, Kuririns and especially Roshis powerlevels.

Think we get any explanation? Like Chichi and Bulma are heavy arguing against it in the upcoming episodes? For whatever reason (since the universe and also those two will be killed if they lose).

Just thought about: maybe Goku / Gohan / Vegeta couldn't concentrate completely if they have to worry about their kids (little brother) getting attacked during the brawl or that they fear that these two can be used against them (threatening to kill them if goku/vegeta dont surrender themselves, even though i am quite certain that one of the rules was to not kill, right?)?
This is the only partly reasonable thing i could think of?
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Goku's opponent are so stuff..what will happen in the final tournament.... Let's seee...Hmmm
Mar 18, 2017 8:37 PM
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Why did Beerus act like he doesn't know about Super Saiyan Blue ffs?

It's natural for Goku to lose at his normal Super Saiyan level, his opponents is the second strongest in a universe after all



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Toppo ain't no pushover, he went toe to toe with Goku.
Interesting to note that Gohan was very fired up here, much like Goku since saiyans naturally love fighting. It's just rare to see Gohan get so excited for a fight.

That Warp Kamehameha was very cool, and Toppo tanked it like a boss. I'm curious to see this Jiren guy. Toppo mentioned he's stronger than him so I wonder if Goku can beat him.

And we have another known angel, this time from U11, Marcarita.

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the fight got alot better once goku turned ssjb but atleast now the gathering of everyone starts next ep

am looking forward to that and the tournament itself
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Toppo has proven to be too tough even for SS Blue standards and not only that, the surprising fact is that he is only the second strongest warrior from U11 xD

It is going to take a while for the tournament to begin but meanwhile we have the arrival of someone people waited for :D And then the quick training and gathering for strategy :P
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I'm loving the way Goku has been acting the last couple of episodes. Reminds me of the attitude SSJ4 Goku has. Ya know, very calm but confident tone he's using when he speaks.
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Goku was only at 10 percent since he used blue already
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Fight against Toppo was pretty cool, didn't expect him to be this strong.

The transmission Kamehameha was awesome, reminded me of the move he pulled against Cell. xD

Beerus is super worried about the tournament. :3
Well, onto finding our team members.
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The more i see, the more i begin to think that the Grand Priest ist actually evil.

So far Zeno himself has never mentioned that he wants the losing universes destroyed. Maybe the Idea came from the Grand priest himself and he is just manipulating Zeno who kind of seems very childish in his thougts and behaviour anyway.

Also he gives of this cold and calculating evil vibe at least for me.

I liked the episode very much, the pace and the action was good. Toppo did not dissapoint in terms of power.
Mar 19, 2017 1:22 AM

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Goku is really becoming the villain now lol, welp he likes fighting evil beings so he really should be careful of becoming the very evil being he is fighting against

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Only Saiyaman can surpass Toppo in terms of lameness. Lol @ Beerus for wanting to bribe his way out xD
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Zarasa12344 said:
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The more i see, the more i begin to think that the Grand Priest ist actually evil.

So far Zeno himself has never mentioned that he wants the losing universes destroyed. Maybe the Idea came from the Grand priest himself and he is just manipulating Zeno who kind of seems very childish in his thougts and behaviour anyway.

Also he gives of this cold and calculating evil vibe at least for me.

I liked the episode very much, the pace and the action was good. Toppo did not dissapoint in terms of power.


Everyone says Goku is the most stupid one but I think he is the smartest one. I think he's the only one who gets it. I think Goku's the only one around who understands that no universe is getting destroyed and that this statement is there only to scare everyone in order to make the tournament more exciting by making everyone fight to their fullest for their survival.


Goku is smart enough to understand that destroying universes is just not how gods of all would operate...


Goku knows if he tells the truth then the tournament won't be as exciting so he's not revealing this to anyone but is also not the best actor to pretend being scared


That is also a possibility. But i just can't shake of this feeling of distrust towards the grand priest.

Considering your opinion, i could imagine Goku himself coming up with the suggestion to pretend the losing universes would get destroyed, to increase the tension and make sure absolutly everyone is giving it their all.
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why is beerus so fat now he looks like scooby doo lol
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Mar 19, 2017 3:00 AM

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It would be really funny if they resurrected Cell and Freeza for this tournament. Also we need to see Vegito for this tournament.
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Ok, they have 39 hours. I bet that they will even forget about The Room of Spirit and Time (or Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the English dub) and won't even train in there to get stronger. Toppo reminds me of Ginyu with all his poses and that's probably why Gohan likes him too, lol.
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Loved that Toppo vs Goku fight, especially that Goku still had something up his sleeve. At least strength, if not something new.

I find that 40 hours way too short. I would have given them weeks at least, just like in DBZ, when sometimes they spent months/years with training for an upcoming fight.
I mean, Muten Roshi is definitely not strong enough to be able to fight anyone in that tournament.
Either the power-scaling becomes crap, or somehow all of them becomes at least a bit stronger. Like, somehow all of them manages to train in the time chamber for a while.

I want them to train beforehands, because then it feels less of an asspull when they suddenly get a new power-up, or something. In DBZ lots of training somehow explained that at least.

Also: at least the next 3 episodes will be about recruiting the 10 fighters for the tournament, according to the titles.. Hopefully they will be somewhat interesting though.
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Toppo was stronger than I thought.
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Loved that Toppo vs Goku fight, especially that Goku still had something up his sleeve. At least strength, if not something new.

I find that 40 hours way too short. I would have given them weeks at least, just like in DBZ, when sometimes they spent months/years with training for an upcoming fight.
I mean, Muten Roshi is definitely not strong enough to be able to fight anyone in that tournament.
Either the power-scaling becomes crap, or somehow all of them becomes at least a bit stronger. Like, somehow all of them manages to train in the time chamber for a while.

I want them to train beforehands, because then it feels less of an asspull when they suddenly get a new power-up, or something. In DBZ lots of training somehow explained that at least.

Also: at least the next 3 episodes will be about recruiting the 10 fighters for the tournament, according to the titles.. Hopefully they will be somewhat interesting though.
by the summerys of those 3 episodes i guess we will see the fighter we wait for in 84 or 85
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soo Vegeta not wanting to participate is interesting, maybe a bit over the top - he will never see his daughter(?) is the universe gets erased.

New ending with ep 84, so maybe thats the start of the actual tournament?

I was surprised how strong toppo was, but then again, the fights are more show then real power comparisons. If he is a bit faster/stronger then SSJ Goku, SSB Kamehameha should have erased him. lol - the pose reminded me of the Cell fight, instant transmission in your face!

I wonder what Hit will do, maybe he wants to fight goku again and so he will support him first when everyone goes after goku.

It bothers me a bit they are seeking 10 fighters, while talking to Goku, Gohan and Boo. Like, are they watching only? Do they need 13? ^^
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return of instant transmission kamehameha although it wasn't the same as the one he used against cell but still, that shit got me hype
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Good episode. I like Toppo's moustache. :D

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In the preview next week we can see a scene were Gokou looks distressed or regretting something. I think the truth came out about Gokou wanting the tournament and is getting an earful and scolding from everyone. With 39 hours left there's no reason to lie about it especially if you want others to join the fight. Vegeta would join if he knew the truth, he might even find a new reason to hate Gokou. Gokou gambling with everyone's lives should be addressed by the writters in coming episodes and not be forgotten because​ I consider it bad writing if something so blatant be reduced to be simply a footnote.
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Nice episode. Didn't expect Toppo beeing that strong. In normal SS form Goku had almost no chance. In SS Blue it was definitely better. I wonder what would had been happen if they didn't stopped Goku and Toppo at the end.

And to top it all there's someone in universe 11 who's way stronger than Toppo? Crazy. I have no clue if Goku would be able to fight against someone like that at the moment.

Also that there are only 39 hours left before the tourney begins feels pretty short. They have to find 5 more fighters and normally I would say they need time to prepare.

Anyway I'm super hyped for the tourney. That will be a lot of fun to watch :)

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Man that was exciting, to know that things will come to pass sooner than later. I would have thought they would have time to train. But as a supersaiyan maybe goku has already leveled up a lot in those two fights.

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Loved The Match Between Goku And Toppo ,Cant Wait For The Tournament!!!!
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40 hrs. to train?! Time to hit The Room of Spirit and Time/Hyperbolic Time Chamber
The teleport Kamehameha reminded me of the Celll tournament, Goku did use the same movement back in that competition.

Can’t wait to see the other guy’s justice pose… heck, a whole team of justice fighter may be selected for the tournament imagine a team pose ala Ginyu Force Lol! I think Gohan Great Saiyaman would be a member of that team if they merge with universe 7.

Now to the juicy part with so little time I don’t think most of the guys that have lower level (Tien & Krillin) are going to spike it too much unless Master Roshi shares his technique with Krillin and Tien (getting buff/power up form) The Androids are going to be fine, Piccolo is a Super Namekian so he may have a chance or special trainig to go beyond that, Gohan is a saiyan and he knows the mystic thingy, Vegeta is Vegeta and Goku is Goku. The key here is going to be strategy making some sacrifices to let the stronger ones carry the win for the team. Maybe a dance fusion between Goku & Vegeta…?! If not I would like to see if the tournament permit a substitution in the middle of the fight, giving Trunks & Goten = Gotenks a chance, heck maybe Jaco can join in too… I’m excited for this royal rumble since the one in Bojak movie is not cannon and was short… and why is nobody mentioning that we may get some universe alliance, you never know one of them may agree in letting the inhabitant of the other live in their universe if they work together like I said early strategy is a big factor in this free for all(?)

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In the preview next week we can see a scene were Gokou looks distressed or regretting something. I think the truth came out about Gokou wanting the tournament and is getting an earful and scolding from everyone. With 39 hours left there's no reason to lie about it especially if you want others to join the fight. Vegeta would join if he knew the truth, he might even find a new reason to hate Gokou. Gokou gambling with everyone's lives should be addressed by the writters in coming episodes and not be forgotten because​ I consider it bad writing if something so blatant be reduced to be simply a footnote.
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Can't you see the obvious? Goku was the one who advised Zeno to threaten everyone by telling that the losing universes will get erased so everyone would fight to their fullest and make the tournament more exciting.

You think gods destroying universes is how they would operate?


First of all, Gokou with all his skill and power lacks the ability to be aware of his actions therefore his innocence to almost everything that requires taking responsibility is so farfetched.
Gokou is not that smart to be manipulative so for you to claim that Gokou advised Zeno to threaten every universe is outright STUPID. He wanted the tournament but wasn't aware that the High Priest or Zeno were planning to use it as an opportunity to erase universes.

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Toppo is certainly strong but the warping Kamehameha steal the show here. Nostalgia is a factor but that move is a really cool one
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That fat justice dude were stronger than I thought. So they didn't fight to death. We didn't see that dude on full power either. That was bit sad, but I think it's good that they ended it there. Goku were exhausted and maybe would be on full strength. So now they are going to gather up the gang for the tournament, even though the opening have spoiled it. What I am most curious about it how they are going to convince Android 17 to join them. I guess his sister will do the job. ^^
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Comander-07 said:
New ending with ep 84, so maybe thats the start of the actual tournament?

Nope so far we got title till episode 86 and episode 86 is about finally finding C17. So there might be some episodes more before the tournament may be it will starts episode 90
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New ending with ep 84, so maybe thats the start of the actual tournament?

Nope so far we got title till episode 86 and episode 86 is about finally finding C17. So there might be some episodes more before the tournament may be it will starts episode 90

If they dont use the hyperbolic time chamber or some sort of whis' magic then I highly doubt they will stretch 39h to 8 episodes.
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Nope so far we got title till episode 86 and episode 86 is about finally finding C17. So there might be some episodes more before the tournament may be it will starts episode 90

If they dont use the hyperbolic time chamber or some sort of whis' magic then I highly doubt they will stretch 39h to 8 episodes.


They'll probably use it. It's too obvious to ignore such a place.
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Goku could've beat toppo easy he wasn't hesitate to to fight at all he was smilin the whole time goku knew he could've beat him. He has to have a new form break my limit ah shit it was getting heated. Goku after the fight didn't pay any attention to toppo who got excited of jirein this proves goku could've beaten him easy and has his sights set on the guy that can match his power. You guys need to pay more attention to details that are leaked.

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If they dont use the hyperbolic time chamber or some sort of whis' magic then I highly doubt they will stretch 39h to 8 episodes.


They'll probably use it. It's too obvious to ignore such a place.
vegeta destroyed the chamber

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40 hrs. to train?! Time to hit The Room of Spirit and Time/Hyperbolic Time Chamber
The teleport Kamehameha reminded me of the Celll tournament, Goku did use the same movement back in that competition.

Can’t wait to see the other guy’s justice pose… heck, a whole team of justice fighter may be selected for the tournament imagine a team pose ala Ginyu Force Lol! I think Gohan Great Saiyaman would be a member of that team if they merge with universe 7.

Now to the juicy part with so little time I don’t think most of the guys that have lower level (Tien & Krillin) are going to spike it too much unless Master Roshi shares his technique with Krillin and Tien (getting buff/power up form) The Androids are going to be fine, Piccolo is a Super Namekian so he may have a chance or special trainig to go beyond that, Gohan is a saiyan and he knows the mystic thingy, Vegeta is Vegeta and Goku is Goku. The key here is going to be strategy making some sacrifices to let the stronger ones carry the win for the team. Maybe a dance fusion between Goku & Vegeta…?! If not I would like to see if the tournament permit a substitution in the middle of the fight, giving Trunks & Goten = Gotenks a chance, heck maybe Jaco can join in too… I’m excited for this royal rumble since the one in Bojak movie is not cannon and was short… and why is nobody mentioning that we may get some universe alliance, you never know one of them may agree in letting the inhabitant of the other live in their universe if they work together like I said early strategy is a big factor in this free for all(?)

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In the preview next week we can see a scene were Gokou looks distressed or regretting something. I think the truth came out about Gokou wanting the tournament and is getting an earful and scolding from everyone. With 39 hours left there's no reason to lie about it especially if you want others to join the fight. Vegeta would join if he knew the truth, he might even find a new reason to hate Gokou. Gokou gambling with everyone's lives should be addressed by the writters in coming episodes and not be forgotten because​ I consider it bad writing if something so blatant be reduced to be simply a footnote.
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Again he can't use the chamber it was destroyed by vegeta!

Guys freaking pay attention Vegeta destroyed the hyperbolic time chamber while goku was recovering from the fight vs goku black and zamatsu, the chamber is not an option stop saying it is.

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I talked a bit with a friend about this arc, and he still can't believe Roshi will enter this battle royale. The suggestion to ressurect Cell and/or Frieza is making rounds here and there because yeah, really, how the fuck is Roshi going to stay alive just by standing next to all those battle monsters. I honestly believe it would make sense for Cell. This guy would be really happy to enter a tournament of some sort, and have fun. Frieza on the other hand, he would become a great asset, but he's got the wrong personnality to make everything go smooth.

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40 hours are gone. Where is the battlefield?
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They'll probably use it. It's too obvious to ignore such a place.
vegeta destroyed the chamber

Only the door. He cant just destroy a dimension.
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Comander-07 said:

If they dont use the hyperbolic time chamber or some sort of whis' magic then I highly doubt they will stretch 39h to 8 episodes.


They'll probably use it. It's too obvious to ignore such a place.
Its so obvious I can imagine them not showing it at all, but just talking about it. Because they never really filled multiple episodes with training.
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Guys freaking pay attention Vegeta destroyed the hyperbolic time chamber while goku was recovering from the fight vs goku black and zamatsu, the chamber is not an option stop saying it is.

Dude freaking pay attention now:
The Chamber is actually another dimension. Remember Z? The Boo Saga? It was also "destroyed". When they say destroyed they always mean the door. Again, you cant destroy dimension (Zeno probably can). After Boo they rebuild the door, so they could have done it after Vegeta as well.
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I talked a bit with a friend about this arc, and he still can't believe Roshi will enter this battle royale. The suggestion to ressurect Cell and/or Frieza is making rounds here and there because yeah, really, how the fuck is Roshi going to stay alive just by standing next to all those battle monsters. I honestly believe it would make sense for Cell. This guy would be really happy to enter a tournament of some sort, and have fun. Frieza on the other hand, he would become a great asset, but he's got the wrong personnality to make everything go smooth.


You know that there are more stronger and smarter fighters in U7 that can take Roshi's spot. So far I get from other post and discussions elsewhere that he's there for being a strategist and for "nostalga." Give me a freaking break. With all the skills he has, others can do it also. Picollo is a way better strategist by the way so that role is already filled. Cell would've been perfect since he's not only as smart as any strategist he also has the skills and abilities most members have. Cell can be persuaded by beings like Beerus or Whis especially if he's told what's needed of him. The chance to be alive again over being tormented in hell is a no brainier. Freeza is another guy U7 can utilize, we all know Freeza listens to Beerus and would never even think of crossing him. Freeza's power in golden form puts him above Gohan and Buu but below Vegita and Gokou. Wouldn't it be interesting to see Freeza fight Frost? There's also Paikohan if they ever make him canon btw.

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This is really expanding which is good. And we get to see the 2nd Strongest of Universe 11.
Is Jiren might be the one that goku is fightning on the OP!? so this means Universe 11 already is one of the strongest mortals!?
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Again he can't use the chamber it was destroyed by vegeta!

Guys freaking pay attention Vegeta destroyed the hyperbolic time chamber while goku was recovering from the fight vs goku black and zamatsu, the chamber is not an option stop saying it is.

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This isn’t about paying attention this is Dragon Ball, there have been occasions were the room's door are destroyed, rendering it useless. Then the door got repaired... Dende has reconstructed The Hyperbolic Time Chamber so he can reconstruct it again further more they can use the Earth Dragon Balls or Namek balls to undo Vegeta's damage to that room, after all this is fans/fellow anime viewers commenting having concepts (even if they seem farfetched) for the sake of discussing what we love... So, your statemen about people stop saying things doesn’t make sense, some of the MAL user as well as myself are going to keep coming with theories/wild guesses to foment discussions, predict things or have fun imagining what the next chapter is going to show us in the future via this forum…
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Snorted when Gohan thought Toppo was cool. This nerd. lol
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Was alright, seeing Goku fighting and use the same moves over and over again doesn't really excite me anymore.
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Gohan getting excited listening to Toppo's fight-for-justice heroic speeches was sooo lovely <3

Apr 14, 2017 9:03 AM

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By the way....am I the only one here that has this feeling that the priest/spokesman guy looks kinda suspicious? I feel his role in this arc is going to be much more than just being the guy who speaks for the Zenos....
Apr 20, 2017 1:14 AM

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I didn't expect Toppo to be so strong tbh and I'm also kinda worried about Goku. If Toppo can keep up with him what about the next fella?
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around 3:19 you can see goku's hair behind him who is that :D
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