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Mar 18, 2017 5:08 PM

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NO ONE READS REVIEWS OR CARES!

I'm sorry OP, but it's true.
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When you're talking about "majority opinion" or whatever you call it, HOW do you expect to know it if no one writes many similar reviews? You determine what popular opinion is based on amount of similar reviews pointing out same stuff. You will possibly say "just upvote reviews you agree with" but that's not gonna help much, because there are many people who "upvote" reviews but don't agree with it completely. For more accurate statistics, we need more reviews. Also review isn't a discussion board, it's for pointing out what you think about certain thing and opinions often are similar.
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Lul why even waste time on reviews most of em are shit here on MAL i mean when i saw the top 4 reviews about Yosuga no Sora had 8-9-9-10 scores i completly lost faith in them lol and they're written by a bunch of elitists that probably hate themselves cuz y'know that dude that has that 3.47 mean score probably has good taste... not really.... Hence they simply spend the entire review shitting on the show and sadly a lot of anime go unnoticed because of these retards that's the only thing that pisses me off about reviews.

Tbh the only yt reviewer i watch is Gigguk cuz y'know he actually constantly makes good points.

Basically stop giving a fuck about them :D.
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Mar 18, 2017 8:24 PM

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You know, my main reason for not writing reviews is that when I do, I begin to enjoy liking my anime less.
Mar 18, 2017 8:37 PM

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>Watching Digibro in 2017
>Rofl

Most people can't articulate their opinions adequately so they just rip off the hack who can do it right.

Digibro and people who watch him are trash. tbh. Not being racist or anything.
Mar 18, 2017 8:52 PM

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JustALEX said:
NO ONE READS REVIEWS OR CARES!

I'm sorry OP, but it's true.

except for the people that write reviews and all the people that watch reviews on youtube and all the people that click helpful on reviews on MAL. but I guess they're not people.
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People have already made the same point as you at some point in time, OP. Does this mean you shouldn't have made this thread?

since reading through the thread takes so much effort, let me find the important shit for you

and here's some more

there, now you can scroll down and write your reply to the thread without reading it in peace.
PoeticJustice said:
>Watching Digibro in 2017
>Rofl

Most people can't articulate their opinions adequately so they just rip off the hack who can do it right.

Digibro and people who watch him are trash. tbh. Not being racist or anything.

Digibro is the second messiah and he will save not only anime but humankind from the filthy that plagues us. #PraiseTheDigi'sVoloptousBody
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Mar 18, 2017 9:51 PM

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I ultimately strongly agree @RainyRai
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writing reviews that share similar points with other reviews, regardless of whether it is a majority perspective or not, is not necessarily pointless. At the very least it further exemplifies that said perspective is indeed a majority or minority and, unlike simply rating an anime or saying "it's good", it can be a good experience for the reviewer and any potential readers as reviews can be used as a medium to pass on useful facts and truths in relation to the subject in question.

Some people here have already mentioned potential motivations for writing reviews, like practicing their comprehension and writing skills whilst also allowing for some peer input through the "was it helpful?" button. Occasionally they may get a message concerning their review with more detailed input which could potentially lead to more discussion, changes in perspective, new-formed friendships etc.

Anyway, majority and minority consensus is irrelevant if the consensus is not based on facts. Opinions are worthless, as are beliefs, since their pursuit eventually strays from the path of truth. Facts, objectivity, reason, evidence and logic, that's all that matters in our ever pursuing goal of growing and completing the Tree of Life; the end game of all life and for what nature strives toward. Getting irritated over opinions is a waste of time. A far better alternative is to lead by example; to demonstrate a better way. It is simply not enough to shout something from the rooftops, it never has been and never will be. The truth is not meant to be shouted, but to be revealed, at the table of discourse; in the heat of debate. Lead by example, follow by consensus.

You have your standards for doing things, that's fine. The expectation for others to follow that same standard is unreasonable if what they're doing, or if the ideas/ideologies that they ascribe to, doesn't infringe upon or threaten our Human Rights.
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what i got from this is that you all should shut up and stop talking about your favorite show...

unless your digibro or bestguyever
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Mar 19, 2017 12:56 AM

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I couldnt read everything on this thread but in general it seems to be an issue about repetitive reviews being posted for an anime which blocks out the different/unique reviews from being considered. (Guess am too lazy to read it all but too eager to post)

But rather than reviews, shouldnt a part of ratings (remember.. only a PART OF RATINGS) and the premise of the story tell you whether you might be interested in that particular anime?

I mean, ratings have the same flaw that is mentioned for the reviews. Anyone with an account on MAL can vote 10 for a really bad anime and make it seem golden.

But if you read the summary of the anime along with the rating, you might get an idea of whether it might appeal to you. For example, Cowboy Bebop is one of the most highly rated animes out there but after reading the summary, I decided I wasnt interested. It might be a good one for everyone who tried it out, but those who dont wanna try it, wont comment about it as well.

Sorry if this didnt help or I missed out on certain things like someone called Digibro, youtube reviews or some others. I have no idea what these are since I am quite new to both anime and MAL.
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Mar 19, 2017 1:33 AM

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You could've just used a link but whatever.

Yes, you actually said what you said and I quote: "don't fucking open your mouth to talk about shit literally everyone said before." (so you don't accuse me of misquoting you). You even used yourself as an example of why you don't talk in depth about shows you loved because you don't feel you'd be adding anything new to the table by praising those shows using your own words, and I myself expanded a little on why i think this isn't true in another post. If anything, you're just adding passion to the equation in your response to HaXX as if being passionate somehow precluded being boring (which it absolutely doesn't). If passion was all it took to spark interest or be considered a valuable addition then a lot of works of fiction would receive a lot more critical acclaim than they actually did.
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Sapewloth said:
You could've just used a link but whatever.

Yes, you actually said what you said and I quote: "don't fucking open your mouth to talk about shit literally everyone said before." (so you don't accuse me of misquoting you). You even used yourself as an example of why you don't talk in depth about shows you loved because you don't feel you'd be adding anything new to the table by praising those shows using your own words, and I myself expanded a little on why i think this isn't true in another post. If anything, you're just adding passion to the equation in your response to HaXX as if being passionate somehow precluded being boring (which it absolutely doesn't). If passion was all it took to spark interest or be considered a valuable addition then a lot of works of fiction would receive a lot more critical acclaim than they actually did.


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Mar 19, 2017 6:06 AM

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Unless you can figure out a way to get rid of commonly shared opinions there is always going to be a little retread no matter what, though I agree it should be kept to a bare minimum. Also, a review doesn't have add anything new other than the reviewers personal take which is unique in and of itself. Granted there are only so many things that can be said about anything but that's why articulation and skill in writing are important, where subtly makes all the difference. I suppose you could argue this is more of an exercise about the reviewer than the show at that point though.
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While yes, regurgitating the same point over and over again is not something tot alr pride in, quite frankly, almostmeverything has been said about everything popular and quite a lot has been said able what isn't. It mostly depends on how you spin it. If it's not new gospel anymore, frame it in a new and interesting way, or try to find something new in your argument to help you stand out. Does this mean I one's allowed to try to review Death note or Cowboy Bebop? No. Quite frankly, that easy stuff is perfect for people that are just jumping in, as they're easier to talk about and easier for you to be recognized for tackling, only for you to try and improve from there and come up with interesting discussions for lesser known shows. Ultimately, you're saying that if you're not one of the first to show up and the show has been covered to the point of there being little new to talk about, don't speak about it at all aside from puny dialogues. Even still, someone can at least try to bring g new things to such an clutttered and old table. If what you're saying has been said before, it should come down to how well you present the information and if you can find something new in your arguments tot all about, or even be all-encompassing.

This has bothered me for a while. Dead topics are rarely ever dead. You still have the right to talk about them, and you can try to find something new in the discussion at hand. Sure, an experienced man spouting what others if his craft have preached a thousand times over isn't anything to write home out or really enjoy, but if he brings something that few or seemingly none have spoke up about, that's interesting. If he is a beginner, it's a perfect way for him to gain some notoriety and encouragement for him to improve and seek new territory that less have bothered to tread for one reason or another. I guess it comes down to the person and what they do to make the argument worth bringing up again.

P.S. I hate to be that guy, but can you people piss off about the whole "no one reads reviews, bla bla bla" bullshit. It's aggravating and childish, and quite frankly, so many people, especially other reviewers (like myself and a large amount of my friends, and even OP himself) prove you wrong on so many levels that it isn't funny.

P.P.S OP, you're better off talking about the low effort reviews that don't even count as reviews and more like glorified mini-rants that only seem to blast or praise the show without saying anything about why aside from "it gud or it bad" in he span of a paragraph or two. Those are the ones you should be attacking, for those are the ones that bring disgrace to the reviewing scene, which already faces scorn from some of you people and others anyway.
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Some people in this thread do exactly that what bothers OP.

I like to watch / read reviews after I've seen / read the series and formed my own opinion about it. I'm to scared that reading a review beforehand will give me a bias for the series.

Also: Please don't say things like ''all anime youtubers are shit''. Because it's very arrogant. It's judging people you don't know and haven't seen. It's the same stuff that happens in politics or between different music fandoms, judging people on your own gut feeling.
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BlueBlack37 said:
Also: Please don't say things like ''all anime youtubers are shit''. Because it's very arrogant. It's judging people you don't know and haven't seen. It's the same stuff that happens in politics or between different music fandoms, judging people on your own gut feeling.
Ironically enough, many of the youtubers and their fanbases hate MAL passionately (especially Snob and his sheeps). I think it's more of a blind hate between the two.

I don't really know or care about Digibro (his Mob Psycho video was good though) but he nailed the point that we are lacking originality/ not putting much effort on reviews. Only a few youtubers like Demo D+ (rip) and Super Eyepatch Wolf have contents to look forward to. Maybe Gigguk as well if he has something witty to say but otherwise they all rehash and even hype things beyond tolerance.

MAL, thankfully, has a social connect with these reviewers/ users. Hence we can provide them criticisms and improve the quality of the reviews. Unfortunately, just like OP, many people are lazy to get out of their comfort zone and act rather than bitching about nonsense which no one would even remember after reading. But at the same time, I can't blame them completely; this medium is mainly for entertainment.

Like they say,"Kissanime and chill."
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No, really, fuck this rule of majority. When I write something about a show it's my opinion and it's my view no matter how many iterations of this you have seen. I don't write to sound original or interesting to another guy who only seems to value criticism if it brings new concepts to the table, no matter how illogical or uncalled for they are. This is not a creative art, it is rethoric, for God's sake. If you advocate for censorship in opinions or reviews, at least do it with a minimal understanding of what opinions and reviews stand for. Damn, why does this thread exist and why am I so absurdly pissed off about this. Must be the lack of sleep.
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There is a certain truth to that, but it's the way he puts it that makes him come off as a little arrogant. But I understand where that annoyance comes from.

It is also important for them to state clear that it is perhaps not their favourite genre, so people might want to take their opinions with a grain of salt. Though I have to say, it really only is needed if they want a negative review. Even if they do put up a negative video, they currently spend way too much time talking about "Oh I don't like this genre too much, so I came in expecting....", so yeah I do agree with Digibro on this somewhat.

The reality is that really few anime Youtubers are truly reviewers, most are meant for entertainment in their own right or are simply their reactions/opinion of the show. And let's not even get to those who react to the episode in full, bloody yawn fests.
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RainyRai said:

That's because there's nothing for me to say about Ping Pong that no one else hasn't already said in detail.


Since there is absolutely nothing you could say about anything that hasn't been said before - and in much better ways at that - you should consequently STFU. For good.

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But people on here when they talk about anime (or any subject really) aren't actually reviewing it, they're looking for social validation, agreement, belonging, or, for the contrarians: somebody to pat them on the back and tell them they shouldn't kill themselves.
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jal90 said:
No, really, fuck this rule of majority. When I write something about a show it's my opinion and it's my view no matter how many iterations of this you have seen. I don't write to sound original or interesting to another guy who only seems to value criticism if it brings new concepts to the table, no matter how illogical or uncalled for they are. This is not a creative art, it is rethoric, for God's sake. If you advocate for censorship in opinions or reviews, at least do it with a minimal understanding of what opinions and reviews stand for. Damn, why does this thread exist and why am I so absurdly pissed off about this. Must be the lack of sleep.
I think the problem is about relaying the same top reviews/consensus across discussions rather than sounding original. This is a really severe problem as it prevents people to even have an opinion about a show.

Take SAO for example. Before it ended, many people kept their original view on the show - many people liked it and many didn't and they were open about it. However after all that bandwagon of bashing, people stopped creating their own criticisms and started using other people's criticisms without understanding them. Even worse, people started to use buzzwords like edgy, pretentious, etc to get away from actually addressing the flaws.

This also applies to highly regarded series like LoTGH and Tatami Galaxy. Many people can't tell why these shows are so good (or bad) and again rely on other people's opinions. This is also what leads people acting like an elite - thinking they are superior to others but in reality they are just plagiarizing.

Well, I am not saying everyone does this, but the majority do. Youtubers and their fanbases are a perfect example to this.

EDIT: This guy's post is brilliant and must be followed by everyone here:
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This is why you've gotta watch your seasonals asap so that you can be the first in. That way, no one can criticise you for having a copycat bandwagon generic opinion!
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John_2001 said:
BlueBlack37 said:
Also: Please don't say things like ''all anime youtubers are shit''. Because it's very arrogant. It's judging people you don't know and haven't seen. It's the same stuff that happens in politics or between different music fandoms, judging people on your own gut feeling.
Ironically enough, many of the youtubers and their fanbases hate MAL passionately (especially Snob and his sheeps). I think it's more of a blind hate between the two.

I don't really know or care about Digibro (his Mob Psycho video was good though) but he nailed the point that we are lacking originality/ not putting much effort on reviews. Only a few youtubers like Demo D+ (rip) and Super Eyepatch Wolf have contents to look forward to. Maybe Gigguk as well if he has something witty to say but otherwise they all rehash and even hype things beyond tolerance.

MAL, thankfully, has a social connect with these reviewers/ users. Hence we can provide them criticisms and improve the quality of the reviews. Unfortunately, just like OP, many people are lazy to get out of their comfort zone and act rather than bitching about nonsense which no one would even remember after reading. But at the same time, I can't blame them completely; this medium is mainly for entertainment.

Like they say,"Kissanime and chill."


I've seen other forums criticise MAL too. Of course you can speak generally about a place, but a forum has many different kinds of people, especially if it's big. There are nice people on MAL just as there are nice people on Youtube-comments, reddit, tumblr and so on.

You can dislike a place generally, but a statement like ''all people from ... are shit'' doesn't make much sense.
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John_2001 said:
jal90 said:
No, really, fuck this rule of majority. When I write something about a show it's my opinion and it's my view no matter how many iterations of this you have seen. I don't write to sound original or interesting to another guy who only seems to value criticism if it brings new concepts to the table, no matter how illogical or uncalled for they are. This is not a creative art, it is rethoric, for God's sake. If you advocate for censorship in opinions or reviews, at least do it with a minimal understanding of what opinions and reviews stand for. Damn, why does this thread exist and why am I so absurdly pissed off about this. Must be the lack of sleep.
I think the problem is about relaying the same top reviews/consensus across discussions rather than sounding original. This is a really severe problem as it prevents people to even have an opinion about a show.

Take SAO for example. Before it ended, many people kept their original view on the show - many people liked it and many didn't and they were open about it. However after all that bandwagon of bashing, people stopped creating their own criticisms and started using other people's criticisms without understanding them. Even worse, people started to use buzzwords like edgy, pretentious, etc to get away from actually addressing the flaws.

This also applies to highly regarded series like LoTGH and Tatami Galaxy. Many people can't tell why these shows are so good (or bad) and again rely on other people's opinions. This is also what leads people acting like an elite - thinking they are superior to others but in reality they are just plagiarizing.

Well, I am not saying everyone does this, but the majority do. Youtubers and their fanbases are a perfect example to this.

Uhm... so? Then what are we talking about? If his point is what you mean, then the OP is misfiring a damn lot. You are not looking here for creativity and to stop bringing beaten arguments, you are looking for personal input. Which is like the least pretentious and self-aware of all things. You don't look or care for bringing something new, you write how you feel about a show. If your personal input tells you that Clannad is sad and Death note got worse in its second season you can't do anything against that. RainyRai seems to be suggesting that these opinions should be silenced because they have been brought too many times.
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I am not in complete agreement with @RainyRai and I think he sounds pretty pissed off for any coherent discussion.

Besides, the problem I am referring to is that people can't back their opinions correctly or give good reasons why a show sucks or rocks without understanding the criticisms. They rely on other people's opinion assuming they understood it better. It's no different than copying a smart kid's answers in exam.

I have met people who call Tokyo Ghoul edgy without even explaining why it's so. They just simply say it has lots of gore and stuffs. That'a weak argument and can easily be disregarded/ rebutted. However, if someone criticizes the weak world-building, character writing and plot conveniences then they won't be completely wrong and thus have provided an acceptable argument.

Now here's the problem: Majority of the people give criticisms like the former and only few are worth listening.

OP seems to find the repeating nature of criticisms annoying.
I find the weak and poorly backed criticisms a problem.
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I'm fucking sick of people saying "HURR DURR MADOKA IS A DECONSTRUCTION "
Fixed, that seemed objectively wrong.
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Yeah man, they're just afraid of being bashed so they just play safe with what the majority said about and cease being themselves. Either that or just a creepy hivemind. Both are such a worthless piece of shit.
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You said:
Yeah man, they're just afraid of being bashed so they just play safe with what the majority said about and cease being themselves. Either that or just a creepy hivemind. Both are such a worthless piece of shit.


Are they just afraid of being bashed? Odd opinions are by definition uncommon, aren't they?
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You said:
Yeah man, they're just afraid of being bashed so they just play safe with what the majority said about and cease being themselves. Either that or just a creepy hivemind. Both are such a worthless piece of shit.


Are they just afraid of being bashed? Odd opinions are by definition uncommon, aren't they?

Perhaps so. But as for me, I don't. I never have any fear on being bashed by putting Madoka Magica and Prison School as my favorite anime, which I believe there's many of people in this place dislike it.
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You said:
TheBrainintheJar said:


Are they just afraid of being bashed? Odd opinions are by definition uncommon, aren't they?

Perhaps so. But as for me, I don't. I never have any fear on being bashed by putting Madoka Magica and Prison School as my favorite anime, which I believe there's many of people in this place dislike it.


I find it hard to believe everyone's a unique nonconformist but somehow a norm still prevades. A consensus does exist and some anime is more popular than others. Sometimes we hear certain opinions less because less people hold them.
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TheBrainintheJar said:
You said:

Perhaps so. But as for me, I don't. I never have any fear on being bashed by putting Madoka Magica and Prison School as my favorite anime, which I believe there's many of people in this place dislike it.


I find it hard to believe everyone's a unique nonconformist but somehow a norm still prevades. A consensus does exist and some anime is more popular than others. Sometimes we hear certain opinions less because less people hold them.
I personally still believe that those nonconformist who holds those unpopular opinions are way too scared to talk their opinions out due to how the mass will react. I personally couldn't care less about people who protest on my opinions.
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I don't even read the reviews...
Now discussion, how many has anyone seen an "anime is dying" thread?
I haven't even been here 3 weeks and I've seen 3 of them.
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John_2001 said:

This also applies to highly regarded series like LoTGH and Tatami Galaxy. Many people can't tell why these shows are so good (or bad) and again rely on other people's opinions. This is also what leads people acting like an elite - thinking they are superior to others but in reality they are just plagiarizing.


Can you explain to me where there is an inherent relation between what you call 'relying on others opinions' (more to that later) and acting like an elite? You just mentioned the two things directly after each other without even attempting to explain why one would inevitably lead to the other. I don't think one has anything to do with the other. People feel 'superior' way often because their opinion goes against the flow and they're the 'only one who isn't a sheep'. But in general where your opinion falls on the obscurity spectrum you can always act like an asshole, or not. I've seen SAO fans who acted elitist and I've seen LOGH fans who did. Elitism has nothing to do with what shows you like or how you form your opinions.

EDIT: This guy's post is brilliant and must be followed by everyone here:
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This is why you've gotta watch your seasonals asap so that you can be the first in. That way, no one can criticise you for having a copycat bandwagon generic opinion!


If only it was that easy. I watched SAO while it aired and I was even oblivious to how popular it was even back then and thought it was just a random, generic seasonal show that started out fun and became gradually more frustrating to watch. The people I watched the show with felt similar (Initial hype, ongoing frustration) so I thought it was the consensus but then I found out 90% of people are hyping it like crazy.
The point is that it still has been implied countless times that I'm just bandwagoning or influenced by the majority. You can't escape those allegations if you clash with any popular show. They will always assume that your criticism is just parroting and not your own opinion because that's the easiest way to dismiss it.

Besides, the problem I am referring to is that people can't back their opinions correctly or give good reasons why a show sucks or rocks without understanding the criticisms. They rely on other people's opinion assuming they understood it better. It's no different than copying a smart kid's answers in exam.

That is a bad comparison because tests have one correct answer while criticism doesn't and depends on the person. What's wrong with someone feeling a certain way about a show and then watching some reviews and thinking 'Ah, this makes so much sense, that sounds like the issues I had with the show."? It's a reviewers/critics job to know very well how to formulate opinions, which things to pay attention to and how to express them so they became easy to understand. You make it sound like everyone has or should have the experience, knowledge and dedication of a critic, but if that were true it would make them unnecessary. Just because you find an explanation that makes total sense to you in explaining why you feel a certain way about a show does not make your opinion any less of your own.

I have met people who call Tokyo Ghoul edgy without even explaining why it's so. They just simply say it has lots of gore and stuffs. That'a weak argument and can easily be disregarded/ rebutted. However, if someone criticizes the weak world-building, character writing and plot conveniences then they won't be completely wrong and thus have provided an acceptable argument.


Again you make it sound like there is just blatantly 'right' and 'wrong' criticism when that's not really the case. Tokyo Ghoul is certainly edgy and if someone does not like edginess that it is a valid reason for them to not like this show. Just like I don't think your 'correct' criticism really hit the mark for why I ended up disliking the second season.

But more importantly I came here to say that I find it perfectly understandable that people don't want to have to reurgitate their opinions and reasons over and over and over again. I don't know about others, but I had a lot of conversations about SAO when it first aired and shortly after, I extensively discussed all the flaws and counterarguments and everything. I know what parts I don't like and why I have a problem with them. But I do not feel obligated to write alls of text over this every single time I give my opinion on the show just because most people active on MAL right now haven't been around back then. They can google why people dislike SAO, god knows there is a lot of material out there on that topic. I'm usually just here to state an opinion because a thread asks for it and the less I like a show the less motivation I have for spending a lot of time on going through the same arguments I had 5 and 4 and 3 years ago already.

Especially for really popular shows like SAO or Tokyo Ghoul everybody knows the 'consensus criticisms' and if they tend to align with yours you don't need to spend time on putting it in different words every single time. I mean with SAO in particular I just assume people KNOW what my biggest problems with the show were because they are the problems everyone had with the show. Even a lot of the fans I see these days post with awareness of these issues.

But some people just like being obnoxious with their 'But please elaborate because I cannot fathom what you would dislike about 'Show X' even after 5 years of constant fanboying over the show and arguing with 3 trillion haters.'. They don't want to understand why you dislike it, they just want to argue for the sake of it. Since they are fans they don't mind spending time talking about the show but if someone isn't interested in doing the same they can quickly dismiss him as a lazy sheep when most of the time it's just gonna be some dude not wanting to write the same shit over and over again. Chances are you know what he dislikes about the show, he knows what you'll reply and what his reply to that will be and the only open question is who will be the first one to either say 'agree or disagree' or throw personal insults.

The bottomline is you don't always have to back up your opinions with essays. It's just natural to not want to do that over and over again.

Maybe I'm just jaded because of my long history but with these giantly popular shows I always feel like that. Everybody knows every criticism and rebuttal but people still insist on reurgitating it again and again because if they don't someone like you will come along and call them 'sheep' or something.
I probably regret this post by now.
Apr 1, 2017 5:20 PM

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@Pullman I think what OP want is for those who has a total contrarian opinions with both the mass and all the self-proclaimed anime critics to be more sound with their opinion because it will create more diversity, well I personally feel that this is my past diversity thread being recycled once more with different wording. Sure there's a major consensus between people who watch anime just for fun and those who took it more seriously, but I (or we?) kind of feel that people who has different opinions towards both consensus are too scared to sound their opinions because they'll get the non conformist label. Well as for me I don't mind since I was a total contrarian since I was in primary school and I often think that both casual watcher and self proclaimed critics opinions are way too conformist for me but some people seems to be scared for their opinion to be dissed? Also OP describes more that if you want to voice the same opinion, give different reason. Like well most of these reviewers who dislike Akame ga Kill dislike the anime for being shock factor reliant on keep killing people. I'm ok with that and what makes me dislike it is more because of how Tatsumi is a really stupid MC for not joining with Esdeath and just abdicate the ruler and execute the PM so that it can end on 12 episodes. See how I dislike the anime just like these reviewers but I have a different reason? Well I think that's about it. I also hope that people like me can be more sound about their opinion even though I realized, people like me are one in a ten thousand people.
Apr 2, 2017 12:33 AM

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You said:
TheBrainintheJar said:


I find it hard to believe everyone's a unique nonconformist but somehow a norm still prevades. A consensus does exist and some anime is more popular than others. Sometimes we hear certain opinions less because less people hold them.
I personally still believe that those nonconformist who holds those unpopular opinions are way too scared to talk their opinions out due to how the mass will react. I personally couldn't care less about people who protest on my opinions.


There are popular anime which most seem to hold a low opinion of. Although Future Diary and SAO are very popular here, on the message boards you mostly hear negative opinions. For all their popularity, a lot of anime have negative reviews in the front page.
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