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Mar 7, 2017 3:29 PM

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Great episode as always with fantastic monologues.
The climax has to be a game between Rei and Souya, but I don't see how that could happen.
 
Mar 7, 2017 5:42 PM

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Meh... Yeah, I get it. Animation was good. Shogi-players have harsh life. But they are basically telling this ever since episode 1 and right now it got . We are just struggling in this eternal repetition of fear that someone better will replace face them sooner or later and that their fame is pretty much fleeting thing.
But it's already way overdue for this anime (or manga respectively) to let go of this theme and evolve into something different...

I honestly wonder if this anime even strives to lure new players in when it shows those competitions as something not enjoyable and satisfying at all. Are they all just masochist waiting to be crushed or something? Certainly not but this series make it look like it.

I was saying it countless times and I'll say it again but watching this shogi struggle drama is no longer enjoyble at all. Great animation doesn't work if the message you try to deliver is bland... And if the theme of the show doesn't shifts to the girls, to the normal everyday drama of shogi-related people, it will sink pretty into oblivion pretty fast. And I think it already lose it chance.

Call it now but after year or two passes, noone would even remember this failure show.

This show is the best when showing those cozy and heartwarming moments outside of those duels. This show is bad at showing pretty much any comedy and drama during those matches. The first cour was good because those concept were just fresh and the characters too but the second cour is just stale (safe for one or two episode with Kyouko). Sisters are almost nonexistent here and that's a real letdown.
 
Mar 7, 2017 9:25 PM

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I can tell a lot of people watch this mainly for the SoL with the sisters, hence the numerous posts of disappointment of the sisters not showing up lately. I do actually enjoy watching Rei's interaction with the sisters but as a shogi player who is watching this, the duel and match scenes equally intrigued me as well. Hence, why I guess I never really realized people felt "let down" lately by the sisters not showing up.
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Mar 8, 2017 4:10 AM

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The more back-story i see, the less people actually love shogi than just for survival, pride, not letting down supporters, and other things.....XP

Actually I too think the second cour is getting a little less entertaining (except Kyoko's scene). Its all good for Rei's growth, I guess, but still is not as thrilling to watch his interactions with 3-sisters and his personality growth. This Lion tournament seems like some shounen sports focus, so i'm losing interest in it.....
 
Mar 8, 2017 11:38 AM
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An excellent episode full of tension. I hope that Shimada will recover a little.

5/5

I miss three sisters. :/
 
Mar 8, 2017 2:15 PM
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Mich666 said:

Call it now but after year or two passes, noone would even remember this failure show.


True,in a few years no one will remember this show...but that would have happened regardless of the direction it took. It just didn't catch on,it was overshadowed by more popular series like Keijo,even in the first half of the series when the sister were present in every episode,no one was talking about it.In fact,if popularity ratings on crunchyroll are anything to go by then the series is doing a lot better now than it was before.


This show will fail inevitably,it makes me sad to know this though,as I've really enjoyed it so far and I think it deserves a lot more attention than it gets.
 
Mar 10, 2017 12:24 PM
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Mich666 said:
Meh... Yeah, I get it. Animation was good. Shogi-players have harsh life. But they are basically telling this ever since episode 1 and right now it got . We are just struggling in this eternal repetition of fear that someone better will replace face them sooner or later and that their fame is pretty much fleeting thing.
But it's already way overdue for this anime (or manga respectively) to let go of this theme and evolve into something different...

I honestly wonder if this anime even strives to lure new players in when it shows those competitions as something not enjoyable and satisfying at all. Are they all just masochist waiting to be crushed or something? Certainly not but this series make it look like it.

I was saying it countless times and I'll say it again but watching this shogi struggle drama is no longer enjoyble at all. Great animation doesn't work if the message you try to deliver is bland... And if the theme of the show doesn't shifts to the girls, to the normal everyday drama of shogi-related people, it will sink pretty into oblivion pretty fast. And I think it already lose it chance.

Call it now but after year or two passes, noone would even remember this failure show.

This show is the best when showing those cozy and heartwarming moments outside of those duels. This show is bad at showing pretty much any comedy and drama during those matches. The first cour was good because those concept were just fresh and the characters too but the second cour is just stale (safe for one or two episode with Kyouko). Sisters are almost nonexistent here and that's a real letdown.

well, first of all ur opinion matters as much as the thought of a 10 year old
and secondly well, for me it's one of best shows of the fall/winter season and i will remember it there u have it mate ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Mar 10, 2017 4:17 PM

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well, first of all ur opinion matters as much as the thought of a 10 year old. and secondly well, for me it's one of best shows of the fall/winter season and i will remember it there u have it mate ๐Ÿ˜‰

Funny to see such arguments from someone with such claims. Aren't you just talking about you, by any chance? Come back when you watch a lot similiar animes like this to compare, perhaps? ;)

The show has a lot to be deserved, be it actual story pacing or delivery. It has its good points but I believe I'm not the only one who thinks that even if Shaft try so hard here, it's stil not enough. I see a lot of ambivalence in their work here and I think they probably weren't the best choice for this series. Zaregoto is much better, for example, that's the series that suits them well.

And as for the anime of the season, nope. There is Kuzu no Honkai or Little Witch Academia, I know it's subjective but both of those shows actually delivers, a way more than this.
 
Mar 11, 2017 5:15 AM

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I feel physically upset over this episode. :(


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Mar 11, 2017 6:38 AM

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Mich666 said:
AcceleratorAngel said:
well, first of all ur opinion matters as much as the thought of a 10 year old. and secondly well, for me it's one of best shows of the fall/winter season and i will remember it there u have it mate ๐Ÿ˜‰

Funny to see such arguments from someone with such claims. Aren't you just talking about you, by any chance? Come back when you watch a lot similiar animes like this to compare, perhaps? ;)

The show has a lot to be deserved, be it actual story pacing or delivery. It has its good points but I believe I'm not the only one who thinks that even if Shaft try so hard here, it's stil not enough. I see a lot of ambivalence in their work here and I think they probably weren't the best choice for this series. Zaregoto is much better, for example, that's the series that suits them well.

And as for the anime of the season, nope. There is Kuzu no Honkai or Little Witch Academia, I know it's subjective but both of those shows actually delivers, a way more than this.


Shaft is bound to the story and they stick with the art style of Chika Umino. However they did a great job, adding their touch here and there without changing the atmosphere, even enhancing it. On top of that they chose top notch voice actors (with one exception). Only animation looks sometimes cheap and old-school but the art is really really great.

Therefore it's hard for me to read they did something wrong since in my opinion it's the show of the season hands-down. It could always be better but If I compare 3-gatsu to anything right now the package story, emotions, humor, characters, art, voice-acting is way above the rest. It's not even fair neither nice to compare other shows to this one. The biggest problem of the anime is that it covers only a part of the whole story. Shaft can't do anything about that.
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Mar 11, 2017 3:41 PM

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Shaft is bound to the story and they stick with the art style of Chika Umino. However they did a great job, adding their touch here and there without changing the atmosphere, even enhancing it. On top of that they chose top notch voice actors (with one exception). Only animation looks sometimes cheap and old-school but the art is really really great.

Therefore it's hard for me to read they did something wrong since in my opinion it's the show of the season hands-down. It could always be better but If I compare 3-gatsu to anything right now the package story, emotions, humor, characters, art, voice-acting is way above the rest. It's not even fair neither nice to compare other shows to this one. The biggest problem of the anime is that it covers only a part of the whole story. Shaft can't do anything about that.

To me it feels like they are just constrained by the style rather than anything else. Also, adding sfx or bubbles to anime is something that should be really avoided when moving manga to its animated version and 3-gatsu has many of those things.

Character-wise I think they captured them well, the same applies to atmosphere shift between dark MC's house (or streets) and lighter tones when in sister's house, that's also one of high points. The pacing though, is bad and constantly splitting arcs in half (the first part in the end of current ep, the second part in the beginning of the next one) doesn't work either. And I believe the thing with animation is also another constraint given by the original work.

Actors are good, that's given, even though the one that really stands out is Miki Shinichirou who, almost by himself, drives the second cour of the show. Well, he's almost too good for the role, crossing Shimada shadow constantly and that's not very good thing either (and he's sounding maybe too old for him but that's more of a failure of casting, not his). Kayano Ai and HanaKana are good too though, as are other ones and even surprise one ep seiyuu but that's just Shaft (high) standard.

So the main problem I have with this anime, save for few good scenes here and there, is that it's boring most of the time... slowpaced and sometimes even not funny (Shaft is terrible at trying slaptick jokes in this). This is clearly fault of the source material as things that work in manga doesn't necessarily work well in anime and Shaft is basically doing 1:1 carbon copy of this. It's also part of the reason why everything feels so stale. They even try to offset the boring parts with some clever animation but it still isn't enough. Therefore the fact that the series won't have any satisfying conclusion to reflect on character developements is the worst for me. Because when left in middle (or rather in one sixth of the story) there is literally nothing else that could drive this show forward.
 
Mar 11, 2017 11:57 PM

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So what was the big deal with the last move at the end? I don't get it.
 
Mar 12, 2017 3:19 AM

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I feel bad for Shimada, I actually thought in the beginning that he would win the game. It's upsetting because he would've won if not for all the tremendous pressure he has shouldered in his back and the lack of support. This episode actually has alot of lessons to offer that we could apply in our real lives. I'm enjoying this show though it's a bit regretful that it'll end soon.
 
Mar 12, 2017 11:01 PM

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Gotta love that end card by Tetsuo Hara. His art is still absurdly detailed.

Rei's monologue at the end was poignant. Life, man...its tough.
 
Mar 14, 2017 11:06 PM

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sob I feel bad for Mr.Shimada.
 
Mar 15, 2017 4:28 PM
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Great episode!!!
 
Mar 18, 2017 11:26 AM

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After watching this I'm upset
 
Mar 18, 2017 8:38 PM

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So what was the big deal with the last move at the end? I don't get it.


Kinda late here, but basically Shimada could've turned the tide had he just noticed one particular move he should have made. Unfortunately, he was so broken by the pain at that point that he either a) didn't notice it or b) couldn't bear to fight a losing battle any longer. Kiriyama was so shaken because he knew Shimada still had life (albeit just a little) but ended up being defeated anyway.
 
Mar 21, 2017 3:17 PM

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Welp that was always gonna happen sadly. I was really rooting for Shimada to at least pull one win out but the gulf in class between the two of them was evident at the end there, with the way Souya asked how it wasn't noticed after all.
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Mar 22, 2017 9:54 AM
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Its interesting that Shimada has such a vivid dream as the tournament started though. When such a important decision or event is front of you having such a dream is to be expected i guess. Talking behind someone's back is so despicable sometimes. Its interesting to see which one of the visions is a nightmare. The one where he moved back to the country because he couldn't achieve his dream or the reality where he lost four matches in a row. Still its nice to see Shimada is determined to see things to the end. Things do look slightly bad for Shimada and it seems his tactics aren't really standing out but he hasn't lost yet so there is still hope. Being proactive is better than focused only on defense though. Its good that Shimada isn't letting nerves get the better of him though. Lol I was wondering where Nikaido was all this time. With his resources Nikaido would have been better shape to help Shimada though. But contacting him would have made Shimada's condition far worst because of the stress eh. Wow Nikaido really cares a great deal about his master eh. Enough to actually land a chopper in a school once. If Nikaido hadn't had a match now you can be sure that will be there supporting him. Its nice to see him put so much faith in Rei to take care of Shimada though. Hmm sometimes you would encounter people thats determined to be on TV eh. Such as this chap who's got the flu as well. Well Smith sure got a rather unexpected promotion due to the flu lol. Wow being put in such an important role without any prep for it at all. And so after such an event the second day of the match begins. Rei gets dragged in as the commentator eh. Man this isn't good for the nerves at all. Man the host sure is making it hard for Rei to function on the stage. Man the Shogi Dragon's speech sure put Rein in a akward place. To be surrounded by people that have that much pressure in them though Shimada did well to only have stomach pains lol.

Rank A sure looks daunting with dragons like this among them. The pressure facing Shimada is even more so because of his stomach pains. To be able to use that as a source of power though thats impressive. Looking at the match now while it may looks like its over for Shimada it's actually so. Its too bad that Shimada had to concede despite fighting so hard as well. The world of Shogi is a world of endless challenges and practice where you either win and advance or lose. Even in defeat you will only lose if you give up.
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Apr 6, 2017 8:45 AM

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Damn that ending :o pretty impressive episode, quite dramatic in its own way, but lovely in another! Pretty nice development and I really do wonder what the last two episodes will offer!
 
Jun 6, 2017 3:26 PM

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Damn I wanted to see him playing in his hometown so bad but that demon is really strong.
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Jun 7, 2017 4:51 AM
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So what was the big deal with the last move at the end? I don't get it.


Kinda late here, but basically Shimada could've turned the tide had he just noticed one particular move he should have made. Unfortunately, he was so broken by the pain at that point that he either a) didn't notice it or b) couldn't bear to fight a losing battle any longer. Kiriyama was so shaken because he knew Shimada still had life (albeit just a little) but ended up being defeated anyway.


My take on it was that revered Souya too much that when it looked like there was no way to win he accepted defeat too quickly.
 
Sep 9, 2017 10:18 PM

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They have a pretty strange idea of commentating don't they
Ridiculously over the top this time, a bit too much I think
 
Sep 12, 2017 4:21 AM

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this whole arc with Shimada is really great but some people be whining here about the sisters and say no one will remember this "failure show".....lmao ya all fucking annoying
 
Oct 20, 2017 11:42 AM

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Watching this episode, depression is growing even more so because it is in no way able to understand the underlying motives of Shimada's behavior and to give an answer to the questions posed by Rei's character.
However Rei, though humbled by that guy, shows that the makings of a champion has it, I'm happy!
 
Nov 24, 2017 8:16 AM

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Lorezhno said:
willingscapegoat said:


Kinda late here, but basically Shimada could've turned the tide had he just noticed one particular move he should have made. Unfortunately, he was so broken by the pain at that point that he either a) didn't notice it or b) couldn't bear to fight a losing battle any longer. Kiriyama was so shaken because he knew Shimada still had life (albeit just a little) but ended up being defeated anyway.


My take on it was that revered Souya too much that when it looked like there was no way to win he accepted defeat too quickly.


yeah i think what was happened is souya meijin knew that shimada could checkmated him on that move, so he tried to 'gamble' it by keep attacking him and hope that he overlook that move which sadly succeed because shimada (and other people except kiriyama) regards him too highly as a shogi god. Poor shimada



Also it's cool that Kiriyama able to predict souya's flaw. It could be either he actually really has talent to be a future meijin or he just kinda saw it because he has same playstyle with souya meijin lol
 
Mar 10, 2018 11:45 PM

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I guess my main issue with this show is that the thing it's centered around, Shogi, still hasn't really caught on with me. The drama is absolutely on point though, and Shimada's struggle and ultimately his failure is pretty relatable to me and I would guess most people.
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Sep 23, 2018 4:49 AM

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I expected Shimada to lose but it still hurt. I really like him and I loved the dream sequence in the beginning because in a way it showed how torn he is. He is in so much pain because of his stomach (I get he has ulcers) and he wonders if this was -the right path yet he couldn't live without shogi, still that yearning for his girlfriend who left him, the daughter they did not have and seeing all his friends and family ... my little heart ached for him. I really love this show and all the characters that have been introduced.

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Sep 23, 2018 4:51 AM

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this whole arc with Shimada is really great but some people be whining here about the sisters and say no one will remember this "failure show".....lmao ya all fucking annoying


I totally agree. I like the sisters but they are best in small doses. The episodes I liked the least involved the whole "I have a crush on that baseball hunk and want to make him breakfast". I admit that I scrolled past some of that.

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Sep 25, 2018 4:33 PM

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Dang, Nikaido snapped off as fast as Sonic when Rei answered his call.
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this whole arc with Shimada is really great but some people be whining here about the sisters and say no one will remember this "failure show".....lmao ya all fucking annoying


Rei is the protagonist though not the sisters. I like the three sisters but I think it would've been good if they appear more to lighten the mood.
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that dude had some over the top commentating and a high ego.
i had no clue what shogi was before this anime, and i barely have a grasp on regular chess. but i really enjoy this anime and how it shows real world struggles whilst also focusing on shogi.
 
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Screw Fujimoto, he was an ass for his rant about Rei.

Well, Shimada's I-already-lost attitude paid off: he got bodied. I feel bad for Rei because it's like Fujimoto was right.

Well, since I guess this arc is over, learning about Shimada was nice but I didn't feel inmersed or even interested in his backstory.
 
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Rei was the only one who saw an escape from that situation.
Anyway, well done Shimada.
 
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oh my, this episode is reminiscent of Hikaru no Go ep 57 or something, where the still young protagonist saw through a move that could change the entire flow of the game, aka "kami no ite". Awesome stuffs. I hope Shimada isn't sick though, hopefully it's not a cancer or some grim shit like that, it would suck to kill him off at this point in the story.
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Fuck, man. I was really rooting for Shimada too... I love that someone besides Kiriyama was able to get so much attention. Shimada is absolutely one of my favorite characters from the show now. You don't see this level of complexity in many places. I am, of course, disappointed that he lost, especially seeing that he was so close. It is as that Raidou said. The gap in skill level was, unfortunately, way too large. Still, despite Shimada's crippling stomachaches, he was able to give it his all, and I think that's really commendable.
 
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Quite sad for Shimada to lose all 4 matches, dammit he was only one set away from turning the last match around

At least Rei believed in him while others didn't thought he could ever win
The last match also shows Souya isn't the ultimate shogi player as everyone sees him, he is still human who can lose
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