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Mar 2, 2017 2:38 PM
#1
Venezuela only has $10.5 billion in foreign reserves left, according to its most recent central bank data. For rest of the year, Venezuela owes roughly $7.2 billion in outstanding debt payments. In 2011, Venezuela had roughly $30 billion in reserves. In 2015, it had $20 billion. The trend can't persist much longer, but it's hard to know exactly when Venezuela will run completely out of cash. "The question is: Where is the floor?" says Siobhan Morden, head of Latin America fixed income strategy at Nomura Holdings. "If oil prices stagnate and foreign reserves reach zero, then the clock is going to start on a default." According to the country's recently released 2016 financial report, about $7.7 billion of its remaining $10.5 billion of reserves is in gold. To make debt payments in the past year, Venezuela shipped gold to Switzerland. The thinning reserves paint a scary financial picture as the country faces a humanitarian crisis sparked by an economic meltdown. Venezuelans are suffering massive food and medical shortages, as well as skyrocketing grocery prices. Massive government overspending, a crashing currency, mismanagement of the country's infrastructure and corruption are all factors that have sparked extremely high inflation in Venezuela. Inflation is expected to rise 1,660% this year and 2,880% in 2018, according to the IMF. Another key problem is the relatively low price of oil, which stands at half of what it was in 2014. Venezuela has more oil reserves than any other nation in the world, and oil shipments make up over 90% of the country's total exports. That's making it nearly impossible for the country to pay its debts and import food, medicine and other essentials for its citizens. Venezuela's imports are down 50% from a year ago, according to Ecoanalitica, a research firm in Venezuela. http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/economy/venezuela-cash/index.html Venezuela really needs to get their shit together; I really don't want a civil war in the Americas. Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. |
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Mar 2, 2017 3:20 PM
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Thatcher said: The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money ................................................................... |
Mar 2, 2017 3:50 PM
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Neane93 said: Thatcher said: The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money ................................................................... You're not seriously quoting Margaret Thatcher? She was a cancer, and was pretty much the female equivalent of Stephen Harper, the biggest cancer of all time. |
Mar 2, 2017 6:35 PM
#5
Americans again will be oh my god it's because of socialism yet not mention how America purposely flooded the market with shale gas to cause the oil price to severely drop. By flooding the market America was able to purposely financially hit it's oil exporting enemies such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela (Venezuela getting the worst end of it). Aureolus said: They can try again like they did in the 2000's but no CIA backed coup has ever been successful in Venezuela. If the CIA succeeds , puts a puppet as president and things automatically rebound then that would just prove America helped orchestrate the Venezuelan economic crisis like it did in Chile when Allende was in power.Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. Nixon said: Make the economy scream. |
Mar 2, 2017 6:51 PM
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Seiya said: Neane93 said: Thatcher said: The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money ................................................................... You're not seriously quoting Margaret Thatcher? She was a cancer, and was pretty much the female equivalent of Stephen Harper, the biggest cancer of all time. 1. Erm, Thatcher was arguably (overall) pretty good for the country; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/did-margaret-thatcher-really-save-britain-8566596.html You can call her whatever you want but the truth is that just as many people are a big fan of hers as they are haters of her. 2. The socialist phase of government in the UK almost brought the country to its knee's (causing steep inflation rates, high unemployment etc). Some of her policies were undoubtedly unpopular (and wrong) but Thatcher ultimately came to power because of socialism's failings (and yeah, the socialism was really fundamentally flawed and it ended up causing huge problems for the country). |
Mar 2, 2017 6:51 PM
#7
This is why you guys don't focus too much on your waifus or your money will be gone... |
Mar 2, 2017 6:54 PM
#8
A coup? That would be stupid. Their economy is fucked because of Saudi Arabia likely under orders of the US government to fuck up the oil prices which is a major source of income for the country. |
Mar 2, 2017 6:59 PM
#9
I don't know english good enough to the complex words used in this post, but even I understand that Venezuela's situation is bad. _Ako_ said: But what if I want my waifu to live in luxury?This is why you guys don't focus too much on your waifus or your money will be gone... |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
Mar 2, 2017 7:04 PM
#10
traed said: A coup? That would be stupid. Their economy is fucked because of Saudi Arabia likely under orders of the US government to fuck up the oil prices which is a major source of income for the country. i do not know about Saudi Arabia and USA conspiring against them but definitely the drop in oil prices in the world market made their economy collapse because oil is like the major source of profit for their economy i heard its too bad the government of Venezuela fail to predict the oil price drop and they should have made their economy more self-sustaining with multiple sources of economic growth but ye it might be too late for that unless some other countries help them financially in the mean time until their economy recovers but i doubt any country would help since the world economic growth is stagnant for decades now Saudi Arabia and the rest of the middle east should learn from this, when oil becomes insignificant then their economy might collapse too |
Mar 2, 2017 7:10 PM
#11
joe_g7 said: I don't know english good enough to the complex words used in this post, but even I understand that Venezuela's situation is bad. _Ako_ said: But what if I want my waifu to live in luxury?This is why you guys don't focus too much on your waifus or your money will be gone... Damn... now that's a tough question... Though at least don't waste millions of dollars to your waifu... That to me is not real love but obsession.. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:12 PM
#12
Tokis86 said: Seiya said: Neane93 said: Thatcher said: The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money ................................................................... You're not seriously quoting Margaret Thatcher? She was a cancer, and was pretty much the female equivalent of Stephen Harper, the biggest cancer of all time. 1. Erm, Thatcher was arguably (overall) pretty good for the country; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/did-margaret-thatcher-really-save-britain-8566596.html You can call her whatever you want but the truth is that just as many people are a big fan of hers as they are haters of her. More people hated her than loved her, and for a good reason. People paraded in the streets when she dropped dead. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:25 PM
#13
traed said: A coup? That would be stupid. Their economy is fucked because of Saudi Arabia likely under orders of the US government to fuck up the oil prices which is a major source of income for the country. Uhnm.... No. Rising oil prices wouldn't matter. Most of their oil for the foreseeable future had already been sold to China back in 2009. And no Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with oil prices, fracking though sure as hell did. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:26 PM
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Seiya said: People paraded in the streets when she dropped dead. Which, if you think about it, says a lot of amazingly negative things about those people in the streets..... |
Mar 2, 2017 7:30 PM
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Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: People paraded in the streets when she dropped dead. Which, if you think about it, says a lot of amazingly negative things about those people in the streets..... No, those people in the streets were good people. Only right-wing cuckoo christian conservatards supported Thatcher. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:35 PM
#16
Seiya said: No, those people in the streets were good people. Only right-wing cuckoo christian conservatards supported Thatcher. Good people don't dance in the streets when some, long divorced from power, dies. It shows a stunning lack of grace and compassion, which is the source of most evil in the world. It is also petty, vindictive, and suggests an infantile emotionalism that they should have outgrown at 12. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:37 PM
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Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: No, those people in the streets were good people. Only right-wing cuckoo christian conservatards supported Thatcher. Good people don't dance in the streets when some, long divorced from power, dies. It shows a stunning lack of grace and compassion, which is the source of most evil in the world. It is also petty, vindictive, and suggests an infantile emotionalism that they should have outgrown at 12. Wouldn't you dance if a dictator in your country dropped dead? |
Mar 2, 2017 7:42 PM
#18
Seiya said: Wouldn't you dance if a dictator in your country dropped dead? Not if he had been removed from power 25 years before. And I think you really really need to check your comparisons, hate Thatcher all you want, but she was not a dictator. Because I am compassionate and generous, I hope you never need to learn the distinction between the two. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:43 PM
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Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: Wouldn't you dance if a dictator in your country dropped dead? Not if he had been removed from power 25 years before. And I think you really really need to check your comparisons, hate Thatcher all you want, but she was not a dictator. Because I am compassionate and generous, I hope you never need to learn the distinction between the two. Little boy, you obviously know nothing about politics. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:46 PM
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Seiya said: Little boy, you obviously know nothing about politics. Is that supposed to be a response??? 12 much? |
Mar 2, 2017 7:47 PM
#21
Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: Little boy, you obviously know nothing about politics. Is that supposed to be a response??? 12 much? I'm pushing 30, and trust me, I know more about politics than you. Stephen Harper was just like Thatcher, and I'm going to dance on his grave once he's dead, because he's the biggest cancer that ever happened to Canada. |
Mar 2, 2017 7:50 PM
#22
Wasabi said: So what happens if they use up that $10b? What will happen*? Cannibalism. *this rhetorical question was only asked because the answer has only 12 characters and MAL requires 15 |
Mar 2, 2017 7:53 PM
#23
Seiya said: I'm pushing 30, and trust me, I know more about politics than you. Stephen Harper was just like Thatcher, and I'm going to dance on his grave once he's dead, because he's the biggest cancer that ever happened to Canada. Pushing 30? (Snicker) Beware the Sandmen! Ah, you're Canadian. Figures..... You do realize that the only thing that is saving you from Russia taking over the northern half of your country is Trump, don't you? |
Mar 2, 2017 7:56 PM
#24
Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: I'm pushing 30, and trust me, I know more about politics than you. Stephen Harper was just like Thatcher, and I'm going to dance on his grave once he's dead, because he's the biggest cancer that ever happened to Canada. Pushing 30? (Snicker) Beware the Sandmen! Ah, you're Canadian. Figures..... You do realize that the only thing that is saving you from Russia taking over the northern half of your country is Trump, don't you? Lol, you really are as conservative as it gets, aren't you? Well, there's obviously no talking to you, so I'm done here. Nice Logan's Run joke. |
Mar 2, 2017 8:12 PM
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Seiya said: Lol, you really are as conservative as it gets, aren't you? Well, there's obviously no talking to you, so I'm done here. Nice Logan's Run joke. Nope, Classical Liberal. I would be libertarian, but I like sidewalks. And kudos on getting the Logan Run's reference. It depresses me to realize how soon no one will get it. Ah, progress. |
Mar 2, 2017 8:23 PM
#26
@Wasabi So what happens if they use up that $10b? Probably Greek style austerity, that is if someone lends them money. @DrGeroCreation By flooding the market America was able to purposely financially hit it's oil exporting enemies such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela (Venezuela getting the worst end of it). That's what you get for putting your entire economy in one natural resource. They can try again like they did in the 2000's In Chávez's mind perhaps Chávez would also state after the coup that there was "little evidence" that the United States orchestrated the plan.[155]...instead, they show that U.S. officials issued "repeated warnings that the United States will not support any extraconstitutional moves to oust Chávez," Here but no CIA backed coup has ever been successful in Venezuela As far as I can tell in modern time there's only been two. One was by Chávez and the other the US wasn't involved. Venezuelan economic crisis like it did in Chile when Allende was in power. Lel, I never knew the US had to buy Chile's cooper and his economic polices nor the military scandal helped him win favour. @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. @joe_g7 I don't know english good enough to the complex words used in this post, but even I understand that Venezuela's situation is bad. Spending too much without a diversified economy and few friendly countries. @Seiya More people hated her than loved her, and for a good reason. At the time of her resignation in November 1990, 52% of the public said that they thought her government had been good for the country and 40% that it had been bad. Wouldn't you dance if a dictator She was repeatedly elected in free and fair elections and had limits on her power. Stephen Harper was just like Thatcher He's more like Cameron truthfully. he's the biggest cancer that ever happened to Canada No, he really isn't. |
AureolusMar 3, 2017 6:59 AM
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Mar 2, 2017 8:32 PM
#27
Aureolus said: @Wasabi So what happens if they use up that $10b? Probably Greek style austerity, that is if someone lends them money. @DrGeroCreation By flooding the market America was able to purposely financially hit it's oil exporting enemies such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela (Venezuela getting the worst end of it). That's what you get for putting your entire economy in one natural resource. They can try again like they did in the 2000's In Chávez's mind perhaps Chávez would also state after the coup that there was "little evidence" that the United States orchestrated the plan.[155]...instead, they show that U.S. officials issued "repeated warnings that the United States will not support any extraconstitutional moves to oust Chávez," Here but no CIA backed coup has ever been successful in Venezuela As far as I can tell in modern time there's only been two. One was by Chávez and the other the US wasn't involved. Venezuelan economic crisis like it did in Chile when Allende was in power. Lel, I never knew the US had to buy Chile's cooper and his economic polices nor the military scandal helped him when favour. @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. @joe_g7 I don't know english good enough to the complex words used in this post, but even I understand that Venezuela's situation is bad. Spending too much without a diversified economy and few friendly countries. @Seiya More people hated her than loved her, and for a good reason. At the time of her resignation in November 1990, 52% of the public said that they thought her government had been good for the country and 40% that it had been bad. Wouldn't you dance if a dictator She was repeatedly elected in free and fair elections and had limits on her power. Stephen Harper was just like Thatcher He's more like Cameron truthfully. he's the biggest cancer that ever happened to Canada No, he really isn't. Only a conservatard would say that, and you have to be the first Newf I ever met who liked Harper. |
Mar 2, 2017 8:45 PM
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Aureolus said: Agreed. If there is one thing we know, it is that the CIA is boss at staging South American coups.Venezuela really needs to get their shit together; I really don't want a civil war in the Americas. Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. |
Mar 2, 2017 8:49 PM
#29
@Seiya and you have to be the first Newf I ever met who liked Harper Don't call me that it's extremely demeaning and I don't. Pirating_Ninja said: Aureolus said: Agreed. If there is one thing we know, it is that the CIA is boss at staging South American coups.Venezuela really needs to get their shit together; I really don't want a civil war in the Americas. Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. Well it is a Danish playground. |
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Mar 2, 2017 8:55 PM
#30
This is what happens when you base your economy on one good, especially something as volatile as oil. This was bound to happen eventually. |
What's the difference? |
Mar 2, 2017 8:59 PM
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Mar 2, 2017 9:10 PM
#32
Aureolus said: @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. The US is corrupt and overspends on military. |
Mar 2, 2017 9:15 PM
#33
Aureolus said: Don't call me that it's extremely demeaning and I don't. Sorry about that. I obviously don't like Harper either. Now that being said, I'm not a big fan of Trudeau either. It doesn't matter who gets into power, they're all going to do something that people don't like. |
Mar 2, 2017 9:21 PM
#34
Aureolus said: http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/economy/venezuela-cash/index.html Venezuela really needs to get their shit together; I really don't want a civil war in the Americas. Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. Yea, send weapons to and train the religious extremists in that country just like they did in the middle east before. What could possibly go wrong? |
Mar 2, 2017 9:34 PM
#35
i really feel for the people of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez populist measures really fucked their economy for decades to come, his supposed revolution was only a means to become a dictator |
Mar 2, 2017 9:46 PM
#36
they are too rely on the oil... that's the problem whatever economic system they use... the money simply doesn't flow... also i honestly doubt arabs has a thing to do... their economic still rely on oil too but not that much anymore... they are also geting hit by fall of oil prices... the trend of oil praces already fall down with technologies improvement (sure it still doesn't change the fact we still mainly rely on them, but it keeping geting more efficient, and more alternative energy is used)... |
Mar 2, 2017 10:14 PM
#37
traed said: Aureolus said: @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. The US is corrupt and overspends on military. Lel, maybe their western allies should foot their half of the bill; also I'm far more concerned about how much they spend on social security. Grey-Zone said: Aureolus said: http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/news/economy/venezuela-cash/index.html Venezuela really needs to get their shit together; I really don't want a civil war in the Americas. Hopefully the CIA will stage a coup. Yea, send weapons to and train the religious extremists in that country just like they did in the middle east before. What could possibly go wrong? That's not who'd they'd fund in South America. |
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Mar 2, 2017 10:55 PM
#38
Takuan_Soho said: Seiya said: No, those people in the streets were good people. Only right-wing cuckoo christian conservatards supported Thatcher. Good people don't dance in the streets when some, long divorced from power, dies. It shows a stunning lack of grace and compassion, which is the source of most evil in the world. It is also petty, vindictive, and suggests an infantile emotionalism that they should have outgrown at 12. Tell that to the communities that were completely destroyed by her economic policies and continue to suffer with poverty and social problems to this very day. |
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Mar 2, 2017 10:57 PM
#39
Aureolus said: traed said: Aureolus said: @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. The US is corrupt and overspends on military. Lel, maybe their western allies should foot their half of the bill; also I'm far more concerned about how much they spend on social security. Social Security is tiny in comparison to military spending of the US. |
Mar 2, 2017 11:13 PM
#40
>2017 >Not being a communist country They deserve to suffer. |
Mar 3, 2017 12:04 AM
#41
Wasabi said: So what happens if they use up that $10b? Yeah, I also wanted to know that. Lol. |
Mar 3, 2017 12:19 AM
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JustALEX said: Wasabi said: So what happens if they use up that $10b? Yeah, I also wanted to know that. Lol. There could be a socialist or communist revolution. They could either go to a gifting and bartering economy or go with mutual credit or labour vouchers. |
Mar 3, 2017 2:08 AM
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JonyJC said: Oh look another failed commie state. what a surprise. 1. Communist state is an oxymoron. Communism is not a state, it's stateless in its final stage. 2. Venezuela isn't even socialist. It's sort of it's own thing, Venezuela is a Capitalist welfare state with a centrally planned economy. 3. It already has been explained why it's economy is having problems. It's from oil prices from a foreign assault on the country. 4. I'm not going to bother reading anything you reply since you just give dumb edgy one liners on like 99% of your posts. |
Mar 3, 2017 6:36 AM
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traed said: JonyJC said: Oh look another failed commie state. what a surprise. 1. Communist state is an oxymoron. Communism is not a state, it's stateless in its final stage. 2. Venezuela isn't even socialist. It's sort of it's own thing, Venezuela is a Capitalist welfare state with a centrally planned economy. 3. It already has been explained why it's economy is having problems. It's from oil prices from a foreign assault on the country. 4. I'm not going to bother reading anything you reply since you just give dumb edgy one liners on like 99% of your posts. "Centrally planned economy" and "Capitalist" don't go well together. Unless you mean something like "centrally planned internally and capitalist externally". |
Mar 3, 2017 7:33 AM
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Grey-Zone said: "Centrally planned economy" and "Capitalist" don't go well together. Unless you mean something like "centrally planned internally and capitalist externally". They can. Centrally planned just means the government is what helps meet supply from demand and, I'm not totally sure but, might put a maximum price something can be sold for to ensure a fair price. Capitalism although usually means a market that isnt always the case. The Reverse is also true not all socialism is anti-market, Yugoslavia being a example. Capitalism mainly means a single person can own a means of production and collect a large amount of capital (money, land..etc) at the expense of others and involves the use of currency. |
traedMar 3, 2017 8:03 AM
Mar 3, 2017 7:44 AM
#47
traed said: 4. I'm not going to bother reading anything you reply since you just give dumb edgy one liners on like 99% of your posts. It's amazing how high one can bring his post count by only posting shitty and dumb one liners no one ever reads. Does anyone even reads ichii's posts for example? OT: can't they get Mexico to pay for their bills, like Trump? |
Mar 3, 2017 8:00 AM
#48
traed said: JonyJC said: Oh look another failed commie state. what a surprise. 4. I'm not going to bother reading anything you reply since you just give dumb edgy one liners on like 99% of your posts. Well you are right about that one at least, gee I wonder where your political inclinations are? Oh. A utopian,it has never been tried before except it has and failed miserably if it needs a certain level of technology then I'll simply tell you that you can't build a roof without a foundation the commie manifesto goes against biological reality. Is that enough for your highness to answer do you even comprehend what I wrote and where I'm coming from or did I just flail aimlessly at the interwebz? |
Mar 3, 2017 8:10 AM
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Clebardman said: can't they get Mexico to pay for their bills, like Trump? Surprised no one tried to blame the Colombian immigrants to Venezuela yet. They actually have a lot. |
Mar 3, 2017 8:49 AM
#50
traed said: Aureolus said: traed said: Aureolus said: @traed A coup? That would be stupid. A major problem is over spending and corruption. A military junta could get rid of those problems. The US is corrupt and overspends on military. Lel, maybe their western allies should foot their half of the bill; also I'm far more concerned about how much they spend on social security. Social Security is tiny in comparison to military spending of the US. It's larger. JustALEX said: Wasabi said: So what happens if they use up that $10b? Yeah, I also wanted to know that. Lol. Country defaults tend to be very different than businesses or individuals. Instead of going out of business, countries are faced with a number of options. https://www.thebalance.com/what-happens-when-a-country-defaults-1978981Often times, countries simply restructure their debt by either extending the debt's due date or devaluing their currency to make it more affordable. In the aftermath, many countries undergo a rough period of austerity followed by a period of resumed (and sometimes rapid) growth. For instance, if a country devalues its currency to pay its debt, the lower currency valuation makes their products cheaper for export and helps its manufacturing industry, which ultimately helps jumpstart its economy and make debt repayment easier. Lenders also eventually borrow again to even the most un-creditworthy countries because they generally don't lose everything - like in a business or personal bankruptcy. Rather, countries tend to restructure debt (albeit in unfavorable terms) and will always have assets to recover down the road. After all, a country can't exactly close its doors forever. traed said: I think most people can see it has to do with the poor price of oil and are the majority of immigrants the same race as the majority of Venezuelans?Clebardman said: can't they get Mexico to pay for their bills, like Trump? Surprised no one tried to blame the Colombian immigrants to Venezuela yet. They actually have a lot. |
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