| Man you must be really bored tonight. |
I don't know if it's overrated but it's has no flaws and very enjoyable |
kikiabdullSep 10, 2017 2:17 AM
| second half is pretty good, first half is pile of shit though |
| Damm these threads are repetitive as fuck on this website. With every popular anime its like "why is it so well received? Is it overrated etc." |
| S;G does not portray time travel in a way that is in harmony with the current understanding of 'time' in physics. This was addressed at some length in the VN by Makise Kurisu (a neuroscientist) - which demonstrated how ignorant or inconsiderate Okabe's understanding of the interconnected and deterministic view of the universe was, especially in light of Einstein's theory of relativity: Time and space are intertwined, making it impossible to rewind time as it creates an infinite loop paradox. To humans, time is not a concept that is intuitive to grasp, so we are under the illusion that time travels from A to B denoted by a change of state that can be noticed and measured by humans... but we can't yet really say that such is the nature of the fourth dimension. There might be no B and it could be that every event and every series of events (with exceptions in subatomic particle levels) is/are causally linked in a specific chain from the very start, which to my limited understanding, is to say that there is only A. The S;G series bypasses the paradoxes and the impossibility of time travel by actually avoiding traditional time travel altogether and invoking parallel universes in a way that lands them in a slightly different kind of hot water among our scientific community. Jumping into an alternate time, space and however many other dimensions within that universe is itself quite unimaginable. The multiverse theory is logical and potentially necessary for explaining many things about the nature of the known universe, but the jumping between them in 'worldlines' is the unimaginable part (for me at least). It would be the same as invoking some mythological deity. But I suspect that accounting for those details would be above the pay grade of the show's writer(s). I don't begrudge them for that because they're already delving into fantasy, and they can write their stories and details however it suits them. I am a biologist, not a physicist. So take that as a comment about S;G's use of adequate time travel. OP, if you didn't find S;G appealing and just found it to be overrated disappointment, that's cool. Nothing wrong with that. At least you reached out and asked about what the fuss was. I suspect you already knew but you needed to make a statement that could grab a bit of notoriety, or perhaps you needed to hear from people other than the fanatics of S;G. All I can do here is just try to build a perspective. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. On the characters, a lot of people can't stand Okabe because Okabe is mostly pretending to be stubborn and obnoxious since they role-play as Hououin Kyouma (a stubborn and obnoxious alter-ego) on queue during clichéd scenes. I suspect this act is for Mayuri's sake. That's how he handles relationships with close friends. Most people wouldn't relate to this and wouldn't find it amusing - unless they were a paranoid, misanthropic, eccentric, schizophrenic mad scientist (with some extent of childish delusions about reality and society). Guess what? This is the only anime that does a pretty good attempt at portraying that kind of character (with the possible exception of Stein from Souleater, Orochimaru from Naruto and the lunatic scientist squad captain from Bleach - but they're not quite mad in the same way as Okabe). I am one of them. I can actually relate to this character (and two others in S;G), whereas I can't relate to many other protagonists in many other anime because I don't share any of their world views or quirks. I like to declare my insanity and make up alter-egos as I run off shouting about how obsessed I am with this new bacteria that I've just scraped out of a corpse, even though I know it's not a big deal and nobody else cares. The flare is to add minute dramatic effect, which enriches a character in a unique way that appeals to viewers with similar personality disorders. I would rate the anime a 10 just for that alone. It plays a huge part in the enjoyment factor. Mayuri might indeed seem to be an airhead on the surfaces shown, but Mayuri has a good grasp upon reality and a more 'down-to-earth' perspective on things. They needed at least one character in there to show some significant contrast. I suspect that the airhead act is a persona constructed by Mayuri to keep Okabe from the verge of a serious mental breakdown; Mayuri also uses this persona to continue roleplaying into obvious baits set out by Hououin Kyouma as part of the hostage and captor agreement. Okabe is not in touch with reason and reality, is depressed by their own circumstances in life - Okabe needs Mayuri as a crutch with which to stand. This would make Okabe look almost helpless and hopeless. So, too, would I, but that doesn't mean that I was not top 1% in my continent for cognitive ability, or that I am not a competent biologist because I am mad and throw dramatic, childish temper tantrums on a frequent basis. I don't take other humans seriously enough to give them anything else. But I can understand why Okabe is not very appealing to many. They're not a badass character. I wouldn't like them as much if they were (I usually dislike badasses, heroes and such). Beneath their superficial facade of Hououin Kyouma that they use to interact with other humans that may intimidate them, is a broken person. Hououin Kyouma is just a shield and sword constructed in the form of a personality that attempts to provide Okabe with a quick escape that would absolve them from their social and umm... 'professional' responsibilities. I do the same. If used extensively, when my next evil plan goes wrong, my pseudonym would carry that reputation whilst my actual identity would remain mostly unscathed. This allows me to be more willing to take risks and generally be an obnoxious turd on forums and get away with it. I'm not the only one that gets brave when using online handles. Okabe does the same and I for one appreciate the nonsense. It's quite lighthearted compared to the events that transpired in my life. I've lost more than one friend in the past. One of which shattered my life over two decades ago and caused me to develop a different aspect of my personality. I made irrational decisions. I was powerless. Okabe did the same shit. We're not prepared for that moment when harsh reality shatters our perfect little worlds. There are other aspects about Okabe and some of the dialogue that are actually brilliant but lost that shine when translated from VN to anime. Okabe says some rather profound things about the epistemic limits of scientific knowledge in an abridged way, but with their own personal twists and quirks added in, which is just not there in many other anime because quite often the protagonists are only marginally eccentric - which is a huge let-down, universally. It's the quirky little things that happened in the first 10 episodes - those very same things that disappointed some critics because the pace was not there for them - that had me falling in love with the characters more and more. It made me feel as though there might be some (fictional) people out there that could perhaps understand my seemingly delusional ramblings when I simply talk to myself. I can relate to Okabe (as a paranoid schizophrenic mad scientist) and also Makise (as a science enthusiast) as these are the only kind of people in my life that I can actually have meaningful discussions with because I have much in common with them. Heck, my partner is a prodigy among their peers and is curious and argumentative much like Makise. However, there is something else about this series that made me fall in love with S;G. Again, it comes down to personal stuff. There is this really stupid character introduced in the first episode that became my favourite character. This character was the annoying Lukako. I was blown away. I'm aware that most people aren't partial to this character's dilemma because it probably has nothing much to do with them personally. And that's ok. For myself in particular, this simple anime hit some of the right buttons in the right ways. The characters weren't exactly two-dimensional and shallow if you could relate to them in some way. I actually found these characters to be quite likable and real, in much the same way I did the otaku in Kuragahime. Finally, they made anime characters that didn't seem like regular and boring people, I thought to myself. I understand that my opinion is nonsense to most. That's not my problem. As for the waifu thing, I wasn't that interested in the romance part because I'm aromantic. I found the interactions between the two protagonists annoying at first because they just didn't understand each other. As the series progressed, Makise kind of grew on me. I think of them in an endearing manner. The VN also seemed like a story heavy dating simulator, but I was able to just ignore that. In doing so, I may have missed the whole point of Steins;Gate, but I had other reasons to explore this story. They do explore theories more adequately in the VN. I was curious to see how humans would attempt to rationalize these specific sci-fi/fantasy scenarios. S;G isn't without its flaws and I can understand the criticisms to it. But perhaps all it took was influential reviewers having a positive experience with the series and bringing it to the spotlight and developing a hype, as it would. S;G seems to have stuck around for 5-6 years so far but I don't know if it is a timeless classic. It is still my most favourite anime. White Fox Studio also made the anime 'Jormungand,' which I also loved. It also had a few strange and eccentric characters, realism, despair etc. but it didn't get the same kind of hype or reviews. Perhaps S;G just happened to have the right character tropes or the right themes or story design for the time. I was also surprised to see that it had such high ratings and reviews. I thought it would have a small niche of dedicated fans just because the main character was too obnoxious or that there wasn't enough overly sexualized content for an anime targeted toward adult men. Or have I completely misunderstood other anime fans? |
neerablattopteraNov 12, 2017 12:09 PM
| Well its your opinion so I can't judge but theres one thing you said that bugged me... Okabe (even though he does stupid ass shit) for me is a realistic portrayal of human in that kind of situation. I mean your friend is dying over and over again and you can't do anything to stop even though you want to. Of course you would go batshit crazy making decisions, stupid or not. For me, that is what makes Okarin an understanding guy for me... (don't forget the mad scientist scene, fucking gold) |
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8oomer said: People giving out 9's/10's for S;G just have selective and short memory. Another possibility: People appreciate a slow burn before shit hits the fan. |
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| this thread is more relevant if you wrote it in 2011 |
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Ynwe said: 1) its either very childish and then suddenly serious. Dunno for me the tempo of the show just didn't fit 4) story. It really isn't that creative or mindblowing. It has a nice idea, but not much more These were just some of the things that irked me while watching it. Usually MAL serves as a very good indicator, but for me this show was really average. I agree with these two points. And lulz@MAL's ratings. They're a joke. A LOT of anime (esp shounen/seinen) have ratings much higher than they deserve. SG is good for 8, but an average of 9 is way too much. |
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| If I were to critically examine every anime I watch under an ultra nanoscope, it would all be okay to shit. This series is good if you just watch it without trying to scrutinize every moment. It's appeal is clearly in how accessible it is, if you just watch it on it's own, it's pretty great regardless if you like anime very much or not. |
| I was looking forward to it for a long time. Didnt know much about it but from the looks I thought the main character is an actual adult, not another man-child protagonist that all the women are attracted to. (the fact that its a visual novel adaptation should have been a clue, I know) I also thought that it would involve a greater world/story, not just focus on the little lab and the little world of its main protagonist. Actually, if I had to list everything that dissapointed me, I would have to list everything. Gotta say, this was the biggest disappointment in anime I can think of. Mostly due to how highly rated it is. Ruka best girl though. |
| Because people have opinions and they can like whatever they want. I like Steins;Gate for various reasons. |
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| Just your typical hate thread. |
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dokidoki said: Oh my f***ing God... nice one! These stupid idiots don't get it lol.you're questioning a lot of things today. Steins;Gate is a masterpiece only intellectuals understand. |
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| It's full of well designed waifu. It also has a trap what do you expect? |
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| - People have problem with rushed stories - They have problem with slow paced stories - People have problem with others liking something they don't like  I don't know what people want anymore or is it that they simply like complaining about something. You are free to hate and dislike something but trying to dictate it as something like it's the objective opinion is really annoying. |
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| Because it was a hit back when it released and through the years more people got to known the anime. |
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| Finally able to watch this. Currently on episode 6. Why the fuck almost every character has some form of brain damage? Is it supposed to be humorous? Was this series should be treated with seriousness? Please tell me that this will get better soon. |
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| I actually think - as someone already mentioned - the main reason are the "waifus". Kurisu seems pretty popular. (Even though I liked Mayushii much more.) There are other types of waifus. But she probably is one of the most popular tsundere and I have to admit her voice actress maintains a certain level of "fappability" for the characters voice. I guess that's why it is hyped. Other than that it is just your usual time travel anime ... and even with lots of annoying stuff. (Too long with 1/2 or 2/3 of the episodes it would have been better. Lots of unnecessary stuff. Especially at 1-6 and then later at around let's say 15-16 to 21/22.) I heard from some people that read the VN to all the "science games" (or what they call it ... with the semicolon on the name ; ) that for Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate it is recommended to read the VN only (or at least first before watching the anime). And anime is only a bonus for fans of the VN. While Robotics;Notes is good to watch as standalone without VN knowledge. (I have watched it as well and it seems the best out of the 3 to me - haven't read any of the VNs ... seems to have had the best directing/script writing for the anime adaption. Though it had his own - different - weaknesses at the last third of the episodes.) |
| I don't think of Makise Kurisu as a suitable 'waifu.' That's just squandered potential. Makise is quite a strong character with ambition and game-changing intellectual ability (in the VN at least). I suspect that if anyone was to be partnered with Makise, they would become the waifu (not Makise). I would consider myself rather privileged to be Makise's (or Okabe's) waifu, although I find neither of them romantically interesting characters. As for fetishes on the other hand... hehehe. But I can see clearly just how much the Steins;Gate community is obsessed with the Kurisu character. That might be what draws in the niche crowds and ratings. And S;G did get rather high reviews from popular reviewers (and S;G 0 looks to be doing the same). I hope S;G remains relevant for much time yet to come. I need the merch! |
| well,probably because it's fucking good if not the best anime ever |
Ynwe said: Boobsftw said: well,probably because it's fucking good if not the best anime ever If you are like 14-16 years old maybe... How on earth it could be considered close to even top quality is besides me. Would be sad for the anime medium if this harem anime is considered the best of all time well you sound like an anime elitist so i won bother arguing with you |
ABDoesThings said: Anime like Attack on Titan shine much better with thrilling action scenes and indulging mystery and better characters. This is the most hilarious statement which I have ever read on MAL. Did you just compare an average and ovarrated battleshounen which has poorly written main characters with Steins;Gate which is critically acclaimed by the casual anime watchers, critics and anime-experts from anime-industry too? The only good points in AoT are the music, the art, and the mood. Any other is just a cliché. The characters are poorly written. The story is excellent and mysterious overall, but it's really poorly built-up. Steins;Gate has mystery too, from the beginning to the end. Even there are things in the first episode, which are important in the last episode too, and there are things too, which are not explained until the very end, but then, every piece of puzzle will go to its place by the end. I never saw any anime where all little details become important by the end. Just this. Also, Steins;Gate built-up its characters well. Every characters had impact on the story, and every characters have their own little background story and personality too. This show used the first 12 episodes to build everything up, and the last 12 episodes to conclude everything correctly, and show us, why are these characters behave always strangely. And every character had a unique reason for behaving like that. And, what truly gives Steins;Gate popularity, it's how it manages time travel. This is a time travel story without any paradoxes. This is undoubtedly the most logical time travel story which was ever written. Not just in anime. Among everything. It is even more logical than Doctor Who (not suprised by the fact that Okabe was elected as the top time traveler in USA instead of one of the Doctors or Marty McFly: https://challonge.com/toptimetraveler) |
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Iammarock said: there are 3 different world lines(3 whole different stories) and everything connects so beutifully the 2 series + the film. Other than that I find Okabe to be one of the best developed characters that I've ever seen given that the whole anime cosists of 48 episodes and a 1:30 h movie. Which is the 3rd? Steins Gate worldline? Steins Gate worldline is only in 2 episodes (24th + OVA). Plus in the movie, which is non-canon, and did not give any pieces to the other 2 series. |
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MehmetY said: How to deceive anime watchers who has an average IQ? Step 1: Make an anime. Step 2: Make first 3/4 of the anime boring Step 3: Make last 1/4 of the anime epic And we're done, now people who forgot the first 3/4 of the anime will talk about how epic the your anime is. This formula was tried on Madoka Magica and Steins;Gate and it works well. It's more like people who have an average IQ at best are the ones who don't like S;G because they don't understand a thing The first half of it might not be that exciting, but the second half is better than most anime out there |
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 Not a single day can pass without someone creating a low effort baiting tread uhh.😒😒😒😒😒 |
Xstasy said: Not a single day can pass without someone creating a low effort baiting tread uhh.😒😒😒😒😒 I noticed whenever these type of threads are made you always post something like this. I agree that 90% of these threads are made by people who just want to shit on such anime and there is no hope for them.But, some of the posters are genuinely curious. In fact when I watched Steins;Gate first I felt very similar to the way OP felt.But after rewatching it I noticed I missed a lot of things and ended up liking it a lot.I even made a similar Re-zero thread once and I got a nice detailed explanation from a user which basically answered all my questions.But, even there without reading all the posts you accused me of making a 'low-effort bait thread'. There are two possibilities when it comes to not liking a highly rated anime.One is simply Incompatibility(i.e everyone has different tastes) the other possibility is they missed a lot of things while watching or had misunderstood expectations while watching and it helps if someone clarifies them.You always blatantly assume it is the first case and post 'Another low effort bait thread'. Just sayin. |
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| It's popular because people like it. It's as simple as that. Now if you don't like it, it's completely fine. Not everyone is supposed to like something. There will always be opposing opinions. |
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| @v_max yeah now Ik why it good after watching it and I gave it a 10 but didn't favorite it though because while the plot is really fucking good it doesn't leave a lasting effect but otherwise yeah I see why ppl fanboy this anime Shame the fanbois keep saying steins gate 0 is shit and was just a cash grab cause I also really liked that one El psy congroo |
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