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Feb 28, 2017 8:55 PM

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@FuegoIndigo Same here. I don't quite understand why I need to watch 4 episodes of Hand Shakers to have a valid opinion about how awful it is, but rules are rules I suppose. *shrugs*
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Mar 1, 2017 12:18 AM
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bastard_of_young said:
I guess I can understand that. Thanks for clearing that up. But what's to prevent users from lying about how much they've seen and still basing their reviews on what they've actually seen ie. repost my review as is, but say I saw 5 episodes rather than just the one? I guess elimination based on a metric that can be easily fabricated doesn't quite click with me. I'll get over it, just raising questions now.
You're welcome. Primarily, we can tell by the date the review is posted (i.e. whether the 4th episode has been released yet). If you want to post a 1 episode review after the series is finished and lie that you've seen the full series, your review will likely be removed due to lack of content. If not, I guess you can feel satisfied that you lied and got away with it...?

One episode reviews of a 13, 26, 52 episode series cannot accurately evaluate a work. Most often, they are running commentaries, fanboy/girl about how awesome something is, or rants about how much they dislike something (plenty of people do a one-episode test to see if a series fits their preferences, not much can be said aside from that). The rules allow us to remove all of these reviews lacking content without needing to individually address the problem with each review. If 90% or more of these reviews are bad—and they are, that's a good part of why we implemented the rule in the first place—it's much easier to disallow them altogether.

This is the main reason why I said:
Kineta said:
Beginning now, reviews posted after the 4th/6th/etc episode will no longer be removed at series end; whether we continue to remove early episode reviews posted before the preview cut-off is still an ongoing discussion. If you would like to contribute to this discussion, I will expect that you have read the 2013 preview post carefully to fully understand the situation. Following that, I would be happy to hear your opinions in this thread.


@FuegoIndigo As I just replied to bastard_of_young 3 posts above yours, one episode reviews are not allowed at all as per the Guidelines. The Preliminary tag allows us to keep previews that we used to allow until the series' completion. (Also see the above quote.)

Swiggy said:
Is there a minimum amount of content or maybe even a loose word count a brief review must have?
Also, is it the writer or a mod who will be tagging whether their review is brief/analytical (I'm not sure if it's an either or type of thing with those two tags)?
No problem. Word count doesn't equal content, so I'll refrain on ball parking. Some people write succinctly, others take paragraphs to make a point.
Aside from the Preliminary tag, the idea is all tags will be chosen by the user. Moderators will obviously be able to adjust them if the user is being ridiculous.
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Mar 1, 2017 6:25 AM

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While I do think the preliminary review tag is a good idea, I have to disagree with placing it on reviews for series that the user has dropped.

Firstly, "preliminary" implies that something has yet to be completed, but if the series has been dropped, it's highly unlikely that the user is going to ever finish it, so preliminary is a bit misleading here.

Second, I can very easily envision there being a sort of stigma of having a preliminary review -- the idea that a review being tagged as preliminary makes it less "valid" than one that's not. I think that if someone drops a series and then writes a review on it, they can still have valid points to make about the series in question, so if this mindset becomes the norm, the reviews section will just become an echo chamber for people who do like the series.

My proposal is to implement a "Dropped" tag that will replace the Preliminary tag on reviews for series which the user has dropped.
Mar 1, 2017 8:14 AM

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At last, the long-persuaded suggestions on the matter were heard and actually meet realization.

Hands up for everyone who fought for these all this time now :)
Mar 1, 2017 1:55 PM
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Interested to see what tags or filters are coming. Hope this eases the workload a bit.
Mar 1, 2017 3:32 PM

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Impressed to see this is actually still in development.
Congrats on the new feature and my respect for those working on it all over these years.
Hopefully future "generations" of reviewers will be able to benefit from a fully updated system.
Mar 1, 2017 7:49 PM

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I was wondering what those tags were. I like this feature. I don't really read reviews but this is a pretty useful feature for the people who do read reviews. Too many people on here review an anime before they complete an anime.
Mar 1, 2017 10:06 PM
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K3fka_ said:
My proposal is to implement a "Dropped" tag that will replace the Preliminary tag on reviews for series which the user has dropped.
Thank you for leaving your thoughts on this matter. We had been considering another idea for this problem of dropped reviews, but will also consider this solution.
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Kineta said:
K3fka_ said:
My proposal is to implement a "Dropped" tag that will replace the Preliminary tag on reviews for series which the user has dropped.
Thank you for leaving your thoughts on this matter. We had been considering another idea for this problem of dropped reviews, but will also consider this solution.
Yeah I would support this idea too. Alternatively you could make them separate tags but automatically put both of them on the same review if need be, so a preview for an anime which the user dropped will be marked as both [Preliminary] and [Dropped]

The former might be seen as superfluous information admittedly but it might also be seen as easier on the eyes
Mar 2, 2017 10:59 PM

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Hibbington said:
This is a good change.
But I hope to also see the spam reviews get removed quicker.
I continuously see spam reviews stay up for more than 2 days.


Well, can't be helped considering the overwhelming number of users and small puantity of review mods. I don't think there is a way to program an automated system that removes spam considering it's hard for a program to sort out what is spam and what isn't i suppose.
Mar 2, 2017 11:05 PM

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Ammar_Iskandar said:
Hibbington said:
This is a good change.
But I hope to also see the spam reviews get removed quicker.
I continuously see spam reviews stay up for more than 2 days.


Well, can't be helped considering the overwhelming number of users and small puantity of review mods. I don't think there is a way to program an automated system that removes spam considering it's hard for a program to sort out what is spam and what isn't i suppose.


There isn't a high abundance of spam reviews that can't be handled by the current 7 review mods.
The point I'm making is I've seen spam reviews stay up for 2, 4, 6 days without being taken down.
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Mar 3, 2017 6:19 AM

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Amusing how the developers care about the reviews that much and even try do change the system and stuff ... and the genre system which is totally crap gets no attention. :D

For manga chapters: So far I have only read a few manga. There were sometimes x.5 chapters (like 16, 16.5, 17). I'd suggest people to read those in the order they got released and update to the next full chapter only once you read the next full chapter + previous x.5. In my example you'd update to 16 after you read 16. Updating to 17 after you have read 16.5 and 17. Separate DB entries only if they got released/sold separately later. Then this info is needed.

Early reviews: Now if you are working at the system and implementing tags: Just show the amount of episodes someone had watched at the time he posted the review. Make a search/filter so search for this.

Then people that don't like reviews that got posted after 1 episode don't need to see them. People that want to write them can still write them. Everyone is happy.

For total crap it might be interesting to know the 1st episode impression (if I get the impression that I might drop after 1 episode as the reviewer did then I won't even pick it up and can save the 20 minutes for watching episode 1.) ... these reviews can be useful.


Edit: And regarding a dropped tag: Just make it searchable/filter so you can include/exclude (or only show) reviews from people that dropped an anime. It also could be important to filter people that have an anime as their favorite. (You might want to exclude them and not see their reviews since they might fanboys not trying to give a helpful opinion but just wanting to boost their favorite anime and exaggerating while talking about the good stuff and not talking about the bad things ...)
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Oh, wow. This is going to look great.


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Mar 4, 2017 4:28 AM
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A couple of questions and a concern of mine.

You mentioned different types of reviews that people would be able to filter through. Would users be able to make different types of reviews for the same anime/manga for those different filters? Say I wanted to make one review that was quick and to the point without any spoilers first, and then I wanted to make a completely analytical review that delved deep into the story after that?

As for Preliminary reviews, would you finally allow people who dropped a show after 1 episode to give a review of it? Just this season, there were at least three shows I dropped after episode 1 that I would be able to explain in-depth as to why I dropped it.

And as for my concern, well, it kind of relates to my last question. I'm one of those people that are able to tell a lot more from the first episode or two than others seem to be able to. If I watch the first episode and give it a certain rating, I'm not likely to change my rating by more than two points from then to finish. If you're going to be allowing Preliminary reviews, are the "must watch ~25%" rules going to be more flexible, with more of a focus on weeding out the previews that don't really comment much other than "I did/didn't like it"? Because I'd really like to see that kind of a system in place, and it's that rigidity that's prevented me from really using the review system as much as I'd like.
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seems like a useful update
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Mar 5, 2017 9:58 PM

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Izuka-kun said:
Hibbington said:
This is a good change.
But I hope to also see the spam reviews get removed quicker.
I continuously see spam reviews stay up for more than 2 days.


Well, can't be helped considering the overwhelming number of users and small puantity of review mods. I don't think there is a way to program an automated system that removes spam considering it's hard for a program to sort out what is spam and what isn't i suppose.


As such - https://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=241791
Mar 5, 2017 11:21 PM
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Thanks!
Mar 7, 2017 10:02 AM

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Sounds great!!
Mar 7, 2017 7:03 PM

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I'm glad that the review system is improving, and I hope that it will evolve even further in the future. I know that there was a problem regarding this issue when reviews were being made for re:zero. Many were complaining about the previews not being taken down fast enough and the matter seemed to cause some distress and confusion, but it seems like this new preliminary review system will effectively solve cases like this down the road. Thanks for all the hard work guys!
Mar 8, 2017 10:20 PM

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Yes. Please do so.
Mar 14, 2017 2:14 AM

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Kineta said:
  • The filter choice will be remembered in your browser.

How about storing it on people's accounts rather than on the browser? Isn't it stuff like that we register for? I can't imagine this would put too much strain on your DB. As a user of five different devices, it annoys me when sites I've registered on don't carry over all my settings when I log in on another device.
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good work :)
Mar 23, 2017 4:47 AM

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I noticed something regarding the new system.

Some users are finding ways to evade the preliminary tag by posting their review before the anime is finished airing (they do this by posting it a day before but because of MAL's DB system, it registers as complete. Hence, when the show actually ends on the day, their review will always or highly likely have the most votes compared to other reviews posted the same day. (simply because their review was posted a lot earlier than others)

Is there any way to not allow this or tag them their review with the preliminary tag?
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Stark700 said:
I noticed something regarding the new system.

Some users posts their review a day before the show is over so that they can evade the Preliminary tag. Hence, when the show actually ends on the day, their review will always or highly likely have the most votes compared to other reviews posted the same day. (simply because their review was posted a lot earlier than others)

Is there any way to not allow this or tag them their review with the preliminary tag?
This is not a problem based on the preliminary tag but rather that MAL auto-completes anime and manga whenever the ending date is reached rather than the specific time the episode actually airs. It's the same reason shows can have absurd ratings for the first few hours when they start airing too

But since we now actually do have an airing slot listed for anime (like "Thursdays at 01:05 (JST)" for KonoSuba 2 for example), couldn't you make it so that the Status is updated whenever that time is reached for the respective starting and ending date rather than just when the clock strikes midnight? Not sure how difficult that'd be to change code-wise though
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HaXXspetten said:
Stark700 said:
I noticed something regarding the new system.

Some users posts their review a day before the show is over so that they can evade the Preliminary tag. Hence, when the show actually ends on the day, their review will always or highly likely have the most votes compared to other reviews posted the same day. (simply because their review was posted a lot earlier than others)

Is there any way to not allow this or tag them their review with the preliminary tag?
This is not a problem based on the preliminary tag but rather that MAL auto-completes anime and manga whenever the ending date is reached rather than the specific time the episode actually airs. It's the same reason shows can have absurd ratings for the first few hours when they start airing too

But since we now actually do have an airing slot listed for anime (like "Thursdays at 01:05 (JST)" for KonoSuba 2 for example), couldn't you make it so that the Status is updated whenever that time is reached for the respective starting and ending date rather than just when the clock strikes midnight? Not sure how difficult that'd be to change code-wise though


Yes, true. I edited my post a bit reflecting my thoughts on that just now.

I think the status should be updated at the time period when the anime is completed airing rather than the day. In the meantime, can review mods tag the reviews that were written before the shows are over with preliminary?
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Stark700 said:
I noticed something regarding the new system.

Some users are finding ways to evade the preliminary tag by posting their review before the anime is finished airing (they do this by posting it a day before but because of MAL's DB system, it registers as complete. Hence, when the show actually ends on the day, their review will always or highly likely have the most votes compared to other reviews posted the same day. (simply because their review was posted a lot earlier than others)

Is there any way to not allow this or tag them their review with the preliminary tag?


Honestly I think the problem is the fact that only the 4 "most helpful" reviews will show on the anime's main page and everybody wants a spot in the light.

The problem would be solved if you guys could add on the main page a "shuffle system". Reviews without the preliminary tag would shuffle and switch positions every day on the anime's main page. So everyone could have their review appearing there sometimes.
To sum it up: the 4 first reviews in the main page would not be determined anymore for the number of votes (most helpfull) the non preliminary reviews will simply shuffle, everybody is happy, end of problem.

It's just an idea.
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Honestly, the best way is to just fix it so that the shows can only be set completed manually by an anime mod rather than by the system itself.

Sure it could get some delays at times but it's better than this.
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Great, great~

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Looking for some assistance. Dorohedoro just concluded airing last night. I deleted my old review, rewrote it and posted it after updated my list to reflect I had completed the show. It still is appearing with a preliminary tag.
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Draculoid said:
Looking for some assistance. Dorohedoro just concluded airing last night. I deleted my old review, rewrote it and posted it after updated my list to reflect I had completed the show. It still is appearing with a preliminary tag.

Sorry for noticing it only now. Easiest way to tell if your review is going to be preliminary, or not, is to look at the anime’s status. Simply put,

Status: Currently Airing- your review will be preliminary and you will not do anything with that;
Status: Finished Airing- time to press that sweet submit button.
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