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Feb 21, 2017 6:48 AM
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simple question

there are a few members on this site who think so

thye use the argumentum ad populum idea to say it Popular so its good


is so art is Pointless overall
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Feb 21, 2017 6:50 AM
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that statement is wrong.

/thread closed
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Feb 21, 2017 7:42 AM
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Bullshit, it's like saying that Marvel's movies are better than Tarkovskij's Stalker just because they are more popular.
Feb 21, 2017 7:57 AM
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Being good makes a show popular but not all popular shows are good.
Feb 21, 2017 8:02 AM
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so people agree with me it seems ....
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
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Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Feb 21, 2017 8:12 AM
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Nazism was pretty damn popular circa 1933 so no, I definitely don't think so.
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Feb 21, 2017 8:14 AM
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popular = appeal to larger audience
this is how i see popularity
Feb 21, 2017 8:21 AM
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Popularity denotes mass appeal, which isn't necessarily synonymous with good. There are many great things that will never never have mass appeal, especially when it comes to things that are esoteric or niche in nature. For something to be popular, it needs to be palatable and more easily digestible. Popular things are only "good" if popularity is the means of measurement that we use to determine goodness. This kills objectivity, which would mean the death of art as we know it, and many other things...
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Feb 21, 2017 8:23 AM
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Consider it like this, I am a good person and I am not even popular. So .... I am just letting you people know what to do.
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Feb 21, 2017 8:24 AM

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Tokyo Ghoul is popular

Does that answer your question?
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Feb 21, 2017 8:29 AM

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Absolutely not. Popular just means it's very accessible to the masses, which is most of the time not a good thing. Especially when it comes to anime/manga, because the fanbase is relatively young.
Feb 21, 2017 8:37 AM

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Nope. Almost every popular thing is bad.

Feb 21, 2017 9:06 AM

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depends if the popular thing is also your taste. So if something is popular doesnt mean its good for you or others
Feb 21, 2017 9:06 AM

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Galaxy__ said:
that statement is wrong.

/thread closed


Thank you kind sir. *Tips fedora* Those are my thoughts as well.

Comic_Sans said:
Tokyo Ghoul is popular

Does that answer your question?


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Feb 21, 2017 9:13 AM

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sasalx said:
Galaxy__ said:
that statement is wrong.

/thread closed


Thank you kind sir. *Tips fedora* Those are my thoughts as well.

Comic_Sans said:
Tokyo Ghoul is popular

Does that answer your question?


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Nico- said:
@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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Feb 21, 2017 9:30 AM

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I mean every popular show has clearly done something right but popularity is certainly not a way to measure quality. Nothing can be objectively good nor bad, so even if we agree that "popular" is not synonymous with "good", I don't think it's right to say all popular shows are "bad" either.
Feb 21, 2017 9:45 AM

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Comic_Sans said:
sasalx said:


Thank you kind sir. *Tips fedora* Those are my thoughts as well.



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Oh my bad. M'lady.

I am actually surprised.

Feb 21, 2017 9:51 AM

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Ill the the bad guy and say yes, to an extent. Steins;Gate is ranked #5 overall and #8 in popularity, so it holds some truth. There are many more but that's just the example I'm using.

But then again Bleach is #14 in popularity, and I hear nothing but negative things about it, so it goes both ways. So who knows...
Feb 21, 2017 10:43 AM

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Hell no. Who believes that to be true
Feb 21, 2017 10:46 AM

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sasalx said:
Comic_Sans said:
I am a woman, but thank you anyway mister


Oh my bad. M'lady.

I am actually surprised.

You're not the first person who mistakes me for a man

Nice gif btw
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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Feb 21, 2017 10:48 AM

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Hell No, that's very a dumb thing to ask.
Feb 21, 2017 10:51 AM

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Mass appeal is one kind of good
entertainment value is another kind of good
quality is another kind of good
originality and innovation is another kind of good.

The first is only one that can be objectively measured with exception of arbitrary guides that can be objectively followed

Moog said:
Popularity denotes mass appeal, which isn't necessarily synonymous with good. There are many great things that will never never have mass appeal, especially when it comes to things that are esoteric or niche in nature. For something to be popular, it needs to be palatable and more easily digestible. Popular things are only "good" if popularity is the means of measurement that we use to determine goodness. This kills objectivity, which would mean the death of art as we know it, and many other things...

There is no such thing as objectively good art. There is only how well an art fits into an objective guide frame for that specific style but that doesn't necisarily mean it's good in other measures of good. What is a good style? Is it good or bad if it does not fit in a specific known style? There is no objective answer.
Feb 21, 2017 10:52 AM

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it is popular for a reason... but uhhh idk im gonna have to say no lol
Feb 21, 2017 11:04 AM
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traed said:
Mass appeal is one kind of good
entertainment value is another kind of good
quality is another kind of good
originality and innovation is another kind of good.

The first is only one that can be objectively measured with exception of arbitrary guides that can be objectively followed

Moog said:
Popularity denotes mass appeal, which isn't necessarily synonymous with good. There are many great things that will never never have mass appeal, especially when it comes to things that are esoteric or niche in nature. For something to be popular, it needs to be palatable and more easily digestible. Popular things are only "good" if popularity is the means of measurement that we use to determine goodness. This kills objectivity, which would mean the death of art as we know it, and many other things...

There is no such thing as objectively good art. There is only how well an art fits into an objective guide frame for that specific style but that doesn't necisarily mean it's good in other measures of good. What is a good style? Is it good or bad if it does not fit in a specific known style? There is no objective answer.


to me there is Objectively good art .
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When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Feb 21, 2017 11:18 AM

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DateYutaka said:
to me there is Objectively good art .


That should tip you off it's subjective.
Feb 21, 2017 11:55 AM
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traed said:
DateYutaka said:
to me there is Objectively good art .


That should tip you off it's subjective.

objevive factors lik vocal talent in music even the most common lay person an tell a good vocal from a not so good one

Instrumentation is harder cause to be hons unless yo know Music idoubt that oowuld can tell a good drum line sice ot an untraied ear drums are just noise hene why for the most part Drum and bad is so loved by alot of casuals [ Laypeople [ while people like me People who hold know Music shiold hate tfor being just Noise [ witch is is casue there is not real drum or real bass Guitar there

cuase i cna pl both Guliat and base both learn by ear purakly as part of my degree [ but i lernat ot play the guita at 12 yes i hold a degree in Muisc and the Stage arts too[ th mind you


im not fully agesi mahices in Muis stuff like the melatorn and shny of ok with but just pure noise like in onose rock or EDM or EBM as long as there is real Instruments and amd Good quilty Vocal and good Lyricism two of three will be a pass all three does not happen any more
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Feb 21, 2017 12:50 PM

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Popular means it's more likely to be good.


Feb 21, 2017 12:55 PM

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Definitely not, just look on Top 10, or Most popular anime here on MAL, trash after trash, with some honorable exceptions.
Feb 21, 2017 7:52 PM

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Popularity and Good are like the X and Y axis (Axies? Axisis? I don't know) on a 3-D graph. They touch, but a positive or negative value in one doesn't mean the other will have the same value.
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Feb 21, 2017 9:03 PM

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Not always, for example AKB48 is popular but has below average music overall.


Feb 21, 2017 9:19 PM
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Hoppy said:
Not always, for example AKB48 is popular but has below average music overall.


somes up all idol Music over all i think
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong
Feb 21, 2017 9:31 PM

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Ever heard of opinions?Does popular=good should be self explanatory.
Feb 21, 2017 10:27 PM
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No, it's those kind of ideas that make people think the Beatles were good.
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Feb 22, 2017 12:47 AM

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Definitely not.

As others have said, the only thing that popularity actually shows is that it has a wider appeal than something that is less popular... and because most people have awful tastes in nearly everything, wide appeal isn't necessarily a plus.
Feb 22, 2017 12:50 AM

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Bandwagon Fallacy is perhaps the most well known fallacy.

Anyone who still thinks so must take a course in logic and fast.
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Feb 22, 2017 1:27 AM

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Yes, it very much does, only the best can attract the attention of everyone. Whether they be a mudslinging shitposter or an site admin, they're not popular for nothing. Hell they could be good at all the wrong reasons, but you can't deny their skill.



Feb 22, 2017 1:33 AM
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the answer depends on how good is defined and whether you consider everyone's opinion to be of equal value or not.
Feb 22, 2017 2:32 AM

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Donald Trump was elected as president by the people, and he was a huge hit on tv, so he's obviously popular.

but most ppl dont think he's good though.
Feb 22, 2017 6:44 AM

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Of course not, that's just ridiculous to me as most of the time I think it's the other way around, Popular = Shit.

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Feb 22, 2017 7:05 AM

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Nope. I find that more often than not, the opposite rings more true.
Feb 22, 2017 7:06 AM

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Obviously not. Popular crap is anathema to people who've actually watched enough anime to develop a taste.
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Feb 22, 2017 10:38 AM

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Depends on how you define good. Obviously a large group of people like popular things by definition, so they consider these things good. You can find flaws with anything, but it's up to the individual to make their decision on whether something is good for them or not.

Feb 22, 2017 11:31 AM

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if a show is popular that means a big amount of people like it doesnt mean its good but there is a thing called opinions
Feb 22, 2017 12:35 PM

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popular shows are on average good for most people
but not all good shows are popular
opinions play a big role
Feb 22, 2017 3:11 PM
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In many cases no. Popular means smth which is cool for the most amount of people but that doesn't mean that it's so good only because it's popular... Like Bieber's music for example xDD
Feb 22, 2017 5:17 PM

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There are shit ton of games that ppl hate, and its popular among most people. There are clothing that appeals to most people and others that don't. One way of looking at it is I guess the trend that is occurring, but being not following the trend does not equal of "hating it" in someways, it just means ppl have their own prefered stuff...

For me, art should be involve in how I will decide something I will watch. If its from the 2000s era or something, of course I will think outside of 2015 artsytle and just, follow with it. Let it first absord within me.

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Feb 24, 2017 3:27 AM

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Nah of course not, just look at No Game No Life
Feb 24, 2017 3:28 AM

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why would you ask such an obvious question when you know the answer?


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Feb 24, 2017 4:30 AM
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Popular is not necessarily good, but it depends on each individuals opinion. It's popular because most people like it, but that doesn't mean everyone's has to.

However, popularity does not automatically make something bad either, as some people might say. It's popular for a reason, you know, so there's nothing wrong with agreeing with the majority once in a while.

It can really go either way. I love Death Note, which is ranked number one on this site's list of most popular anime. However, I'm not a fan of One Piece or the Dragon Ball franchise, which would probably be considered an unpopular opinion.
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